Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 07 Apr 2014 22:19

^no,.. is like blood bank feeding the dracula!

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 07 Apr 2014 22:22

KJoishy wrote:I hope BJP cuts off freebies for Mullahs going to Haj. They should pay their way just like anyone else.

More than that the leeway of 1x4 has to be brought down to 1x1. Uniform civil code will take care of that.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 07 Apr 2014 22:26

KJoishy wrote:I hope BJP cuts off freebies for Mullahs going to Haj. They should pay their way just like anyone else.

Amarnath yatra too? JJ is promising some subsidy for pilgrimage to Jerusalem. A Secular government should get away from all these subsidies.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 07 Apr 2014 22:29

u get paid to go to Amarnath yatra?

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 07 Apr 2014 22:30

SwamyG wrote:
KJoishy wrote:I hope BJP cuts off freebies for Mullahs going to Haj. They should pay their way just like anyone else.
Amarnath yatra too? JJ is promising some subsidy for pilgrimage to Jerusalem. A Secular government should get away from all these subsidies.

Yes, remove subsidy on everything including subsidies for hindus. The Govt should get out of this business of managing religious sites/tours etc. They should free temples from their control. That will be biggest service they will do to Hindu society. Regarding yatras, anyone will vouch that tours run by private companies will be much more organized than the ones run by the govt.

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 07 Apr 2014 22:34

I predict that May 16th will clock the highest ever hits on BR - probably more than the whole of last year combined.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Apr 2014 22:35

SwamyG wrote:
KJoishy wrote:I hope BJP cuts off freebies for Mullahs going to Haj. They should pay their way just like anyone else.
Amarnath yatra too? JJ is promising some subsidy for pilgrimage to Jerusalem. A Secular government should get away from all these subsidies.

Govt spending on Amarnath Yatra is providing necessary transport infra & security. Not sponsoring the yatra itself. There is much difference. It is like someone saying laying a road to Badarinath should be done by Hindus because it is a religious place.

I wonder when we stop this illogical self-flaggation

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 07 Apr 2014 22:39

BJP Manifesto headline on TOIlet

And on undieTV

Same Manifesto, two different interpretations. Modi ji definitely polarized these two.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 07 Apr 2014 22:42

Vajpayee actually increased Haj subsidy after coming to power which is why he got the monicker Hajpayee. I think Govt building infrastructure for Ajmer Dargah or Vaishnodevi is not the same as subsidizing Haj. It should stop ASAP if a Modi Govt takes power.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 07 Apr 2014 22:48

kapilrdave wrote:Where is Rahul Mehta sir? His all wishes are fulfilled in manifesto. He should be a happy man now.

Is he running against Shri Advaniji again?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 07 Apr 2014 22:49

and the gullible aam aadmies will only read media reports rather the manifesto! more of those illiterates who can barely read let alone understand will only hear someone reads it to them.

i think, deep impact bjp campaigning and reading it out loud on venues could destroy counter kangrez moves.. but too late.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 07 Apr 2014 22:50

SwamyG wrote:
KJoishy wrote:I hope BJP cuts off freebies for Mullahs going to Haj. They should pay their way just like anyone else.
Amarnath yatra too? JJ is promising some subsidy for pilgrimage to Jerusalem. A Secular government should get away from all these subsidies.

There is subsidy for Amarnath yatra?? Hai toba, if that was the case, I should have gone.

Seriously, all subsidies should be OUT. This is wasteful-e-expense and for appeasement onlee.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 07 Apr 2014 22:51

Just FYI you can get a subsidy for a pilgrimage to kailash parbat/Manas sarover.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 07 Apr 2014 22:51

mr gin, read it as sect-ular gov.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 07 Apr 2014 23:01

New Delhi: Aam Aadmi Party's chief Arvind Kejriwal has questioned the telecasting of BJP manifesto by some channels on Monday despite Election Commission's ban.

Kejriwal, in his tweets, said that though EC has banned telecast of the BJP manifesto which is released today, yet many channels are doing the same.

EC banned telecast of BJP manifesto today due to elections. Still, many channels did it. Why?....
— Arvind Kejriwal (@ArvindKejriwal) April 7, 2014

He also accused some top editors of deliberately violating EC directions. “Some top editors exchanged messages and telecasted BJP manifesto in violation of EC directions,” said Kejriwal.

.....I heard some top editors exchanged msgs and decided to telecast BJP manifesto in violation of EC directions....
— Arvind Kejriwal (@ArvindKejriwal) April 7, 2014

Kejriwal, further added, that the editors involved in this conspiracy had taken a stand that they were ready to face consequences. However, he also mockingly questioned whether it is 'fearlessness' or readiness to violate constitution for commerce.

...These editors took a stand that they were ready to "face" consequences. Fearlessness or Ready to violate constitution for commerce?
— Arvind Kejriwal (@ArvindKejriwal) April 7, 2014

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Apr 2014 23:02

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=11119

Subsidy/facilities to Indians visiting religious shrines abroad
Lok Sabha

The Minister of State for External Affairs, Shri E. Ahmed informed the Lok Sabha about the details of subsidy and other facilities which are being provided by Union Government, at present, for pilgrims visiting various religious shrines abroad. These are as under:

Kailash Mansarovar Yatra

The Kailash Mansarovar Yatra is presently organised by the government under a bilateral arrangement with the Chinese Government through the Lipulekh Pass in Pithoragarh, Uttaranchal. Government pays Rupees 3,250/- (Three Thousand Two Hundred and Fifty) for each pilgrim to Kumaon Mandal Vikas Nigam (KMVN) for arrangements made by KMVN for the Yatra. In addition, during the course of the Yatra, facilities provided by the Government to the pilgrims include free medical assistance, security and escort cover by the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) till the Lipulekh Pass on the Indian side, communication links with China, and provision of satellite phone to the Liaison Officer for each batch of pilgrims for use during emergency throughout the Yatra. A Liaison Officer is attached by the Government with each batch of pilgrims, who is responsible for their general welfare. It is the Government’s endeavour to improve and upgrade facilities for the pilgrims going on the Yatra on a continuing basis.

During the last three years (2002, 2003 & 2004), 1322 pilgrims undertook Kailash Mansarovar Yatra, and an amount of approximately Rs.43 lakhs was paid to the Kumaon Mandal Vikas Nigam (KMVN) for making the required arrangements for the Yatra.

Religious Shrines in Pakistan:

No subsidy is given by the Government to the pilgrims visiting religious Shrines in Pakistan, including Gurdwara Shri Nankana Sahib (Pindi); Gurdwara Shri Panja Saheb, Hasanabdal (Pindi); Birth Place of Shri Guru Ram Das, Lahore; and Shrine at Sree Katasraj. The Ministry facilitates the obtaining of visas for the pilgrims visiting Pakistan under the bilateral `Protocol on Visits to Religious Shrines – 1974’. Ministry of Railways arranges special trains for the pilgrims on cost basis as per procedures, as and when required. Arrangements in Pakistan are made by the receiving organisations.

Haj Pilgrims:

The amount of subsidy provided by the Government to Haj pilgrims who perform Haj through the Haj Committee of India during the last three years is :

2003

Rs.172.00 crores (approx.)

2004

Rs.160.70 crores (approx.)

2005

Rs.179.66 crores (approx.)

The other facilities provided by the Government to the Haj pilgrims include setting up of hospitals and dispensaries in Saudi arabia, supply of medicines, deputation of medical, para-medical and administrative staff. The Consulate General of India in Jeddah also renders assistance in making various logistical arrangements for the pilgrims performing Haj through the Haj Committee of India.

The above information was given by the Minister in reply to a question by Kunwar Manvendra Singh.

So what facilities KMVN provide?
http://www.kmvn.gov.in/contacts/kailashyatra/24

FACILITIES ON THE INDIAN SIDE
The Kumaon Mandal Vikas Nigam Limited (KMVN) provides accommodation at all the halts from New Delhi to Lipulekh Pass. At the camps along the route, accommodation in 'pucca' barracks and prefabricated fiberglass huts is provided. There are regular toilet facilities at all camps. Portable generators provide electricity at all camps for limited hours in the mornings and evenings. Mattresses and quilts/sleeping bags are provided at all camps. Therefore, yatris need not carry any quilts/sleeping bags with them. However, they may wish to carry a bed sheet and pillow cover each for personal hygiene. Utensils for cooking will also be provided to each batch for use in the camps on the Chinese side. These utensils do not have to be returned.
Digital satellite public telephone (DSPT) facilities have been installed by BSNL at KMVN and ITBP camps on the Indian side of the Yatra route. Yatris can avail of this effective telephone service at subsidized rates to communicate with their families and friends.

FACILITIES ON THE CHINESE SIDE

Taklakot is an important town in the area. Accommodation is provided at Pulan Guest House for yatris, where regular rooms are available with cots, mattresses, comforters (rajai), etc. Electricity and hot water for bathing are available at specific times. At Taklakot, the Chinese authorities provide vegetarian food of Chinese flavour, such as bread, vegetable soup, noodles, boiled rice, etc.
The camps at Dharchen, Deraphuk, Zongzerbu, Qugu and Qihu are basic structures and have several rooms, which are to be shared. Each room can accommodate 4 to 6 pilgrims. Mattresses, pillows and comforters (rajai) are provided. There is electricity at Darchen camp only. Yatris have to prepare their own food in all these camps. The Chinese side will provide hot water and stove for cooking. Utensils are provided by KMVN. Yatris are also advised to carry some food items of their choice from India.
Mobile phone facilities are available on the Chinese side at all places, except on the Deraphuk-Zongzerbu sector. Yatris can buy pre-paid SIM cards to avail of mobile phone facilities locally there.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Apr 2014 23:04

IndraD wrote:New Delhi: Aam Aadmi Party's chief Arvind Kejriwal has questioned the telecasting of BJP manifesto by some channels on Monday despite Election Commission's ban.

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Awaiting Vridhakshtra (Jayadratha's father) moment

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 Apr 2014 23:11

Already rhona-dhona by bestern and gulf press regarding review of doctrine. They are spinning as no-first use being changed to use as soon as possible

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Apr 2014 23:17

Muppalla wrote:Already rhona-dhona by bestern and gulf press regarding review of doctrine. They are spinning as no-first use being changed to use as soon as possible

Bothe Pakis an Wastern press was going gung ho about how TSP was arming itself with 100s of warheads and its silly to complain that India will review and adjsut as needed.
Besides SSM has already augmented the NFU in Nov 2011.

Supposedly by mistake in his own words!!!!

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 07 Apr 2014 23:22

BJP will review NFU policy. I bet the Pakis and Umreekis will begin beating their chests about it.

True Hindu raj based on Bharatiya sanskruti will soon begin!

Jai Bharat Mata!

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 07 Apr 2014 23:23

nageshks wrote:
muraliravi wrote:
No he wont and from his angle I see the following reasons to be unhappy

The manifesto has not mentioned the following

1. Deportation of Illegal Immigrants currently living in India
2. Measures to stop religious conversion
3. Measures to check flow of foreign money into India for nefarious purposes
4. Methods to be adopted for population control
5. No commitment on temples in Kashi and Mathura
6. No mention of freeing temples from Government Control or bringing other religious institutions under government control (even though the former is the right option)
Most vitally, where is the promise to hang all missionaries and MNCs, hain ji? Without hanging MNCs and missionaries, life has no purpose. There should be the draft of a bill that will describe, in graphic detail, how MNCs and missionaries will be hanged.

While you two are mocking him. But the thing is that these issues being existential in nature will make their presence felt someday.

OTOH people who are insistent on these issues taking priority also have to find a set of new plans to unroll. For example turning the whole of the Hindu population of India into a double treat of US+Israel type entity. Something for which only a bold initiative that open up both the revenue side (trackrecord+reforms) and the capital side of the world (100 cities) is important.

Aage aage dekho hota hai kya

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 07 Apr 2014 23:23

if they get 272+, then no breating chests can help the MADmen. bjp can just point their fingers to their voting hands, IOW, "up yours" finger. he he he.. they can be MAD, and we can't be?!? what equality are we talking? pakis along with their american condoms can jump into the la-whore fishing bay!

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 07 Apr 2014 23:25

SaiK wrote:if they get 272+, then no breating chests can help the MADmen. bjp can just point their fingers to their voting hands, IOW, "up yours" finger.

Ghee shakkar in your mouth onlee but I don't think they will get 272. More like 220, and then there will be black-e-mail from Behenji, Amma, Didi, Aunty, Saasu-maa etc.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Apr 2014 23:29

Supratik wrote:Vajpayee actually increased Haj subsidy after coming to power which is why he got the monicker Hajpayee. I think Govt building infrastructure for Ajmer Dargah or Vaishnodevi is not the same as subsidizing Haj. It should stop ASAP if a Modi Govt takes power.

Govt is responsible only for dealing with the expected traffic to places of pilgrimage, holy sites, and temples/mosques/churches/gurudwaras as well as the general environment around the place.

So the govt. can build roads, airports, railway stations, bus addas, parks, clean water, clean air, sewage treatment, garbage collection, provide security, etc., and if something is a heritage site, probably pay for upkeep of the building. Treat it like a major tourist attraction and a heritage site.

But who gets to go where, subsidizing travel, giving grants, paying mullahs, priests, etc. is not govt. job. No Hajj subsidies.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 07 Apr 2014 23:43

Did ABV really increase Haj subsidy?

Does not make sense... and I don't remember that. Though I do remember the "Hajpayee" reference.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 07 Apr 2014 23:45

A day after Modi criticized Congress for its record exports of meat, especially beef, TOIlet comes up with this report:

Vegetarians are less healthy and have a lower quality of life than meat-eaters, scientists say

Vegetarians are less healthy than meat-eaters, a controversial study has concluded, despite drinking less, smoking less and being more physically active than their carnivorous counterparts.

A study conducted by the Medical University of Graz in Austria found that the vegetarian diet, as characterized by intake of fruits, vegetables and whole-grain products, appeared to carry elevated risks of cancer, allergies and mental health problems such as depression and anxiety.

The study used data from the Austrian Health Interview Survey to examine the dietary habits and lifestyle differences between meat-eaters and vegetarians.

The 1320 subjects were matched according to their age, sex, and socioeconomic status and included 330 vegetarians, 330 that ate meat but still a lot of fruits and vegetables, 300 normal eaters but that ate less meat, and 330 on a more meat-heavy diet.

It found that vegetarians consumed less alcohol and had lower body mass indexes, but were still in a poorer state of physical and mental health overall.

Participants who ate less meat also showed a tendency to avoid attending doctors appointment for preventative measures such as vaccines, the authors found. It concluded: "Our study has shown that Austrian adults who consume a vegetarian diet are less healthy (in terms of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), have a lower quality of life, and also require more medical treatment."

The study's authors have already defended the research against claims that their work is simply an advertisement for the meat industry.

Study coordinator and epidemiologist Nathalie Burkert told The Austrian Times: "We have already distanced ourselves from this claim as it is an incorrect interpretation of our data.

We did find that vegetarians suffer more from certain conditions like asthma, cancer and mental illnesses than people that eat meat as well, but we cannot say what is the cause and what is the effect.

"There needs to be further study done before this question can be answered."

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 07 Apr 2014 23:46

Actually I think subsidizing these are good things. All foreign donations should be taxed (say 50-75%) and that donation should go to a national body. That national body (should be secular) should grant facilities to Indians visiting religious places in India and should be used in general to make these places better. Imagine 50-75% of Ford foundation money instead of going to Farziwal, or dhat teri ke, goes towards making ajmer sharif beautiful or maybe afforestation around many hilltop temples/churches/mosque etc. I will vote for it.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 07 Apr 2014 23:50

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 404303.cms

T0I--BJP-puts-no-first-use-nuclear-policy-in-doubt, my comment

You: BJP puts no-first-use nuclear policy in doubt;;--Pakistan ko takleef baad me hogi T0I ko pahle ho rahi hai

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 07 Apr 2014 23:52

Deleted. Repeat post.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Apr 2014 23:56

Agnimitra, All over the West is trying to eat less meat and TOI fishes out one Austrian report to the contrary.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Apr 2014 23:57

All BJP will only make the policy consistent with the other nuke powers. It will be same as US.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 07 Apr 2014 23:59

KJoishy wrote:
kapilrdave wrote:Where is Rahul Mehta sir? His all wishes are fulfilled in manifesto. He should be a happy man now.
Is he running against Shri Advaniji again?

RM ji, nation wants to know!

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 08 Apr 2014 00:04

Any stragglers out there still?
Then: No word on KPs
Today: KPs make it to election manifesto.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Apr 2014 00:10

else RMji face the people at 10 pm hehe

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 08 Apr 2014 00:12

A lot of bile and garbage on Al guardian site with respect to Modi. Modi to roll back gay rights, Modi to roll back women rights etc.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 08 Apr 2014 00:59

Sonugn wrote:A lot of bile and garbage on Al guardian site with respect to Modi. Modi to roll back gay rights, Modi to roll back women rights etc.

Here they are talking about Hitler youth:

Nationalist Banned by U.S. Likely to Lead Largest Democracy India
by Henry Austin, nbcnews.com
April 7th 2014 2:00 AM
- Sohel Uddin contributed to this report.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 08 Apr 2014 01:05

With Ram Mandir, it'd have been good for BJP to have declared that they'll also bring in law that Temples' management will be only handled by Hindus, removing christians from places like Thirupati Bala ji! It'd have made aware the Hindus about these things.

The moment MSM had started debate on Ram Mandir, bang BJP spokesperson would have started dishing out all the misdeeds of ysr reddy and co. misdeeds and loot of Hindu temples.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 08 Apr 2014 01:15

gandharva wrote:

http://www.economist.com/printedition/c ... a-me-na-uk

Limeys are yet to overcome 1857 Maratha scare.

I think the editorial staff is filled with paki's or India haters. for example, i read this printed article on use of rape as a weapon in wars in one of its editions in jan 2011. In that instead of saying about how bakis used rape as a weapon during the war of 1971, the article talked about Indian army being involved in raping bengalis.

And then issues a web apology for a typo.
http://www.economist.com/node/17957515

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Apr 2014 01:16

SanjayC wrote:Something is suspicious -- all malfunctioning EVMs in Assam are redirecting votes to either AGP or BJP, not a single one to Congress. How can this be, when Cong is ruling in both center and state? I think massive EVM rigging has been planned and these EVMs sending votes to competitors of Cong is just a Cong drama to pre-empt criticism when the results shock people.

An attempt to de-legitimize the landslide victory?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 08 Apr 2014 01:18

+100 Dhananjay ji, NDA should be ready to face misplaced debates, sob stories, 'international' arbitrary bile & garbage as if its their birthright. Even when there has been scams against Hindu temples.