Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

[Philip]

Being serious,the "about turn" by the MH flight has only two explanations.Intent or accident.Intent,a deliberate act by the crew or someone else if there was a hijack,attempted suicide attack,whatever.This explains the deliberate avoidance of Indo. radars and other peculiar altitude deviations from the norm.Accident,some catastrophe that put the commns/nav suite out of action, the crew tried to head back to land but were themselves put out of action by the crisis on board and the aircraft flew into history. But this does not explain the careful manoeuvres made by the aircraft before the "swing" south.

Until some wreckage,debris or the BBox is found in the south IOR,solid evidence which is lacking,the aircraft could've come down anywhere within a circle of max. range from the location in the Indo-China Sea airspace when the last commn. came in.

[UlanBatori]

Maybe more like huge fear of losing face back home?

[ramana]

Philip, One problem with all that details about the pinger beacon etc. it can be any beacon and not from this flight at all. There is no id to link it to the missing flight.
In the end we won't know and this will become a mystery like DB Cooper flight.

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Some wag was suggesting the Chinese put an empty tin bucket with a membrane and claimed its hydrophone to listen to the pings. And most likely the bucket handle rattled and picked up pings.

[UlanBatori]

The Black Box location is now in a place that has conveniently, sub-zero Antarctic water flowing at 17 km per day even at great depths, or another 510 km stretch to search for debris. All debris would be scattered by now.


The location is too ideal to claim "Sorry, we may never find it!", that credibility is necessarily low. I mean, stuff like deep-water currents, winds, utterly remote location, ocean depths, are all available quite easily. As seen before, ALL the reported evidence to-date could have been faked fairly easily except for the initial disappearance from ATC radar.

So CTs cannot be put to rest unless MOST of the wreckage is found (i.e., not just pieces that could have been brought and dumped by even a large freighter). Any explanation for the strange behavior that Philip mentioned, is going to be nearly as weird and improbable as any of the CTs. Even Alien Abduction is not off the table at this point.

[Theo_Fidel]

Yak Herder,

Absolutely.
The reality itself is so bizarre wild improbable and colorful what is the need to resort to Underwater base type CT.
Just report the facts and there is more than enough material for several bollywood and hollywood movies.
I mean look at bizarre tango of Aussie, Chinese, Malaysian, USA, UK, etc and the games that being played with a straight face.
All other CT's only distract one from the truly cynical behavior playing out in full view.

BTW I don't think anyone has noticed yet but the USA has recalled its ship and is no longer in the hunt.

[Johann]

Maybe more like huge fear of losing face back home?

Pingo! Err I mean..Bing..never mind. Too soon?

[saip]

To be audible the pinger locator has to convert the ping to audible range. I doubt the Chinese hand held locators could do that.

[Vayutuvan]

CRamS >>They come across as thoroughly professional, they seem credible and trustworthy.
They could be the exact opposite of that in reality.

[Vayutuvan]

UB, The pinger is called underwater locator beacon(ULB). ULBs are triggered by water immersion;

AKA "ULan Bator"

[saip]

Anish Patel said they conducted experiments in lab conditions and they could pick up the ping even after 40 days but the locator has to be directly above the pinger. So the outside limit appears to be 40 days and now it is 34 days and counting. Malaysians wasted how many days out of this?

[ramana]

To be audible the pinger locator has to convert the ping to audible range. I doubt the Chinese hand held locators could do that.

Thats why they have a large diameter bucket to convert the ultrasonic to sonic range! And lower with a stick. It will catch all the frequencies even if they are radio!

[ramana]

saip, Dont forget the pinger batteries were due for replacement in 2012 but not done by MAS. So they might be already reduced ping emission duration.

[Vayutuvan]

PS: government officials lying out of habit, because information they withhold and lie about represents their power over everyone else, is certainly a possibility; but given the international dimensions of the MH370 crash, this reason for lying is extremely unlikely.

Not sure about that. People who made mistakes through incompetence or foolishness lie to cover up the SNAFU. It could become serious in that they could be dragged to ICJ for the highest crimes and InterPol red corner notices etc. essentially no future.

[ramana]

PS: government officials lying out of habit, because information they withhold and lie about represents their power over everyone else, is certainly a possibility; but given the international dimensions of the MH370 crash, this reason for lying is extremely unlikely.

Not sure about that. People who made mistakes through incompetence or foolishness lie to cover up the SNAFU. It could become serious in that they could be dragged to ICJ for the highest crimes and InterPol red corner notices etc. essentially no future.

Was listening to Shankar Vedanantam on NPR today morning on humans take on ethics. It boils down to men would lie if the benefits of the lie advantage them (in their point of view).

I think all the govts (MA, PRC, US, Aussies, Indonesia) are lying for a bigger cause which we don't know yet.

[ramana]

This INMARSAT pings did they play on TV an actual ping supposed to be from MH-370?
All we have is some backroom math whiz kids claimed doppler shift and drew an equi-probable curve leading from Bay of Bengal to South Indian Ocean.

[Bade]

For all govts to collude the only common interests would be to save their respective airline industry, and it points to a deeper safety issue with the airplane perhaps. I personally do not buy the suicide or terrorist act as the cause. They looked like planted stories from the very beginning of the event unfolding on cue.

Obfuscation or lying is more common than one likes to believe. Even biggies like Toyota kept safety issues under wraps and now end up paying huge penalties.

[vsunder]

The Chinese equipment reminds me of similar equipment I constructed
in 5th grade in some unnamed country. You take paper cups and punch
a hole in the base and tie a string between the cups anchored
by knots in the base of the cups. It is a reasonable "hydrophone". Like thus:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question410.htm

It is like Shri Nijalingappaji using spherometer to measure
curvature and then "Farmula" for the focal length of thin lens.
Incidentally with refs to 55 Days in Peking etc and Tijuana
taxi, this must be a new avatar of Keith Fletcher.

[shiv]

Is there a characteristic frequency or duration of a ping from a downed airliner? It would seem a design flaw if that wasn't the case. Reminds me of the story of the man who went to a restaurant, received the menu from a pretty waitress and said he wanted the top item on the page - which read "Menu". What he actually got is not for a phamily forum. So are these ships going around listening for pings with no idea of frequency or duration? I mean the Aussies seem to be doing a high tech search for three unknowns. Unknown location, unknown frequency of ping and unknown duration (gap between pings). Sometimes they have a location but no ping. At other times they have a ping but no location. At still other times they have no location, no ping, but ever increasing credibility.

But are we getting what the man who wanted "Menu" got? Mind you he appreciated it when the waitress brought it for him, but I suspect that he was biased in favor of who brings the stuff rather than what the stuff actually is. That is a natural human reaction for some.

[shiv]

There was a Tamil movie i saw as a student. I could not understand most of it in those days - but I did understand the part when the hero, irritated with lack of progress exploded and seemed to say to his chela. "Wat balls is this Chalapathy?". Then the hero picks up the phone and barks "Operator! Give me America!". Then the man gets exactly the person whom he wants to speak to and tells him what he needs to be told. We are spared the in-between stuff that I have imagined for decades - i.e a voice at the other end of the line saying "Heloooo? This is America speaking"

We need somebody like that now. Where is Sivaji Ganesan when you need him? Or maybe Thalaivar?

[UlanBatori]

Whole thing is becoming like the end of a T20 cricket match... 24 hours left on the pinger battery or maybe 4 days, scrambling to hear more pings and locate the wreckage that MAY be 5000 meters down, with a gizmo that can only go down to 4500 meters..

If you go back to UBCNews' long-surviving CTs:
#1 is that the plane crashed after hitting something sent by Malasian govt with another major power involved. It turned around, but by then all systems went down and it crashed on Malaysian land, and the site was promptly sealed off, the wreckage buried, and all involved sworn to secrecy on pain of death. Military operation. Once they started lying, they have to keep on lying.

#2 is that the plane was indeed taken to a landing in the Maldives (or somewhere in the IO), unloaded, refueled, took off again, and the unloaded cargo and live hostages if any were taken by container ship, somewhere. Plane flew into some unspecified place, and has a new paint job, may be getting readied for a "mission".

In the former case, Malaysia and the other foreign power know about the crash, but whole thing is Classified and they are using that rationalization to not say what happened.

In the latter case, more than one government knows, but there is an ongoing hostage standoff. Piracy incidents have dragged on for years involving very large vessels such as tankers, and Somali pirates. In this case the hostages are not hardy sailors but fragile city-dweller civilian passengers, with babies, old folks and all. I don't know why the pirates would NOT want publicity.

Both CTs strain one's credulity, as in: Come on! They will find out! But who would have imagined the circus that has been conducted for the past month? If we had said a month ago:

A commercial 777 on a routine red-eye flight with 239 ppl and 353 cellphones and 15 satphones on board, piloted by a 20-year senior captain and a 5-year hotshot first officer, turned and dived just as it left ATC radar, turned off its transponders and ACARS, evaded radar of 5 nations, did a zigzag near the Andamans, then turned 90 degrees and flew thousands of miles over open ocean, turned back west near Australia and then went down where the ocean is deepest and coldest and has the fastest current... oh, and BTW, its Black Box had batteries that should have died 2 years ago..

Wouldn't you have ????

[anmol]

https://www.facebook.com/24293490244379 ... noscript=1

MH370 Mystery Deepens. Pentagon Blocks All Leave To Diego Garcia.
by RedFlag, redflagnews.com
April 8th 2014

Interesting information posted on the Diego Garcia Passenger Facebook website.

See for yourself at Diego Garcia Passenger Facebook Page

You’ll notice they are erasing any mention of #mh370 on that page.

If you try to visit http://www.fcg.pentagon.mil, you get a password request.

[shiv]

If we had said a month ago:

A commercial 777 on a routine red-eye flight with 239 ppl and 353 cellphones and 15 satphones on board, piloted by a 20-year senior captain and a 5-year hotshot first officer, turned and dived just as it left ATC radar, turned off its transponders and ACARS, evaded radar of 5 nations, did a zigzag near the Andamans, then turned 90 degrees and flew thousands of miles over open ocean, turned back west near Australia and then went down where the ocean is deepest and coldest and has the fastest current... oh, and BTW, its Black Box had batteries that should have died 2 years ago..

Wouldn't you have ????

Not at all. My batteries should have been replaced decades ago. As my mental battery gets weaker the credibility of anything I am told gets stronger. Anything you say today is more credible than anything you said yesterday.

[vina]

Pardon the French. But just too much BullS*it. Now between the US, Australians, Brits, Chinese, Japanese and 27 nations , they could get their hands on just ONE pinger locator (of course, the Chinese have invented a brand new pinger locator, a cup and a string and human ear MK1, and have a billion of them), but think of the ridiculousness of it all.

IF there is a ping that was heard, you would have assumed that they would have flown in a P3/P8 , peppered the area with sonobuoys and triangulated the ping signal within seconds , like they would do with an enemy submarine, or even if the ping freq is outside the military sonobouy range, you would have peppered the area with pinger locators, and triangulated the position to a a few centimeters before you can say Ping-ping in Peking!

WTF! This is elementary stuff with some sophomore in any decent school can figure out. And SeeEnnENN and other dingbats and toilet outlets want us to think some major "search" and something so high tech is going on that it is rocket science that the unwashed millions in the world cant figure out , and that the boats have the go this way and that way (and oh, given the pings they would have got the location by now already from their track and triangulation, are the Aussies so dumb that they can only hear, but not use a protractor and ruler to do middle school geometry?) ?

If you ask Mr Anish Patel, you will get a few dozen pinger locators before the time Mr Ping and Ms Ping complete their ping-pong and start their post orgasmic groaning and crooning, and a highschool sophomore with a compass and a google search of the speed of sound in water at that temp and some gray matter between the ears canwork it out before the groaning and crooning starts!

Too much BS. Yes, if their Chinese with their crude primary school physics experiment cups and strings cobbled together for a telephone draw mirth in their brazen attempts at propaganda, the Amricans, and Australians by their more subtle bullshitting and "oh so professional" sounding media rubbish are just as idiotic. Village idiots in the US and Australia can get a e-rection thinking oh, how so-piss-ticated and "advanced" and "high tech" we are. Well suckers, you are just as gullible and dumb as the turd world Chinese village idiots who are being played by the PRC govt. You are being played exactly the same, just with more hollywood style gizmos, and just as real as any hollywood scene.

[vsunder]

Unfortunately BR does not have a like button to click on, but if
there was one, I would have clicked Vina's post above.
The BS level is appalling.

[Shreeman]

Unfortunately BR does not have a like button to click on, but if
there was one, I would have clicked Vina's post above.
The BS level is appalling.

But the bent? what about the anti-american bent?

[Vayutuvan]

Sri nijalingappa could be the fast bowler iirc who came to India under Mike Dennes. Another hydrophone was to take two pottery roof tiles - the round cylindrical shell ones, not the semi cylindrical shells - and glue a thin brown paper on one end of each and use a twine string between them.

[Philip]

The DG UW structures are a discovery with mil. significance,not directly related to the MH issue. No one is suggesting that the aircraft is hidden in them! There are so little geo features on the atoll,like hills,etc.,which we see in the A&N islands,that hiding vital installations underwater is the only way to prevent detection.

However,why has there been no concerted official denial reg. the DG angles? The related events taking or not taking place at DG speak for themselves.

Here is another "item" that officials are telling the world not to believe in.

MH370 passenger’s two calls to sister after plane went missing not investigated

The public is advised not to believe the sister of a passenger onboard Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 who says she received two missed calls from her brother on March 11 and 13. Again, a top official is telling the world not to believe what people see and hear.

Deputy Transport Minister Datuk Abdul Aziz Kaprawi denied Sunday receiving a report from the Indonesian family explaining they had received “missed calls” from Firman Candra Siregar, an Indonesian passenger onboard flight MH370.

Firman Candra Siregar was returning to work in Beijing when he boarded Flight MH370.

The minister was responding to an Indonesian online news portal report that quoted the victim’s sister January Siregar saying she received missed calls on March 11 and March 13 from her younger brother via Skype on her iPad after the aircraft went missing on March 8.

Abdul Aziz claims the Malaysia government had never heard from the Indonesian authorities regarding the matter.

He urged the public not to believe everything they read on news portals as the information posted was sometimes unverified, unconfirmed and could be misleading.

“All the latest developments and information regarding MH370 are delivered to the family members through daily briefings by acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein and the relevant authorities.
He spoke to reporters after launching a smiling campaign at the Parit Raja pasar tani.

The online portal also reported that January has been awaiting a reply from the Malaysian Government and Malaysia Airlines Systems regarding her report to authorities on the “missed calls”.

The public, on the other hand, and even some loved ones of MH370 passengers are advising to not believe everything that’s heard from officials and the media regarding the crisis.

Thirteen days ago, the same grieving Indonesian family angrily denied that they had authorised an American law firm to lodge a multi-million dollar legal action against the airline.

The girlfriend of Phillip Woods, an MH370 passenger, said she did not believe what officials are saying because of too many contradictions and dismissal of eyewitness reports. Sarah Bajc, girlfriend of Malaysian Flight 370 passenger Philip Wood, claimed on CNN she was told about eye witness reports that MH370 was seen “accompanied by fighter planes” before its ‘disappearance’. Bajc said she and other passengers family members are confident the plane is not only still intact, but that the passengers have also survived.

Bajc told the stunned CFR member and CNN anchor Erin Burnett, “Many people are saying that the United States is involved … but the general thinking across the families here and even non-families … this was a military operation of some sort.”

Officials also quickly dismissed over 20 eyewitness reports of seeing an odd, low-flying jumbo jet in the first hours of the missing plane crisis. According to officials, no individual on the MH370 investigation team have never followed up with any of those eyewitnesses, including those reports that came from the Maldives.

http://beforeitsnews.com/international/ ... 80616.html

Matri,tx for the pottery solution.I know of an old school that had above its stage a series of clay pots upturned hung from a wooden frame for acoustic purposes? Sadly many years ago when renovations were done the pots were removed and never replaced.

[member_28502]

There is. a err design flaw ok idea moment
At this time the black box or orange box has a pinger broad caster which drains the battery that can last only a month then it fades into period due to discharge.

Instead there should be a listener circuit also with half (life)of period of the battery that should now turn on if a locater pod towed by a ship passes near by and now should ack the pod saying its coordinates last recorded prior to detaching from the aircraft or on hitting water
Excuse the typos on iPad mini aka I padmini


I think we need MI 6 James with a under water pod a la Thunder Ball

[Singha]

I believe a couple of aliens suddenly teleported themselves across the galaxy right into the flying plane (like chekov used to man the teleporter room for such dicey kinetic teleportations in star trek).

total panic among passengers given their exoskeletons and reptilian looks. they try to use a translator device to ask folks to keep calm and that they are here by mistake because someone put the wrong co-ordinates.

pilots take one look and lock the door tight, and using his flightsim exp, he makes a beeline for diego where the threat and any organisms can be safely isolated. manages a successful landing. and now everyone is in quarantine while massa shivers and peers into his hubble telescope wondering if a invasion fleet is going to show up from hyperspace in mars orbit. they can reveal as it will cause global panic and religious convulsions with doomsday cults springing up.

[Austin]

I believe a couple of aliens suddenly teleported themselves across the galaxy right into the flying plane (like chekov used to man the teleporter room for such dicey kinetic teleportations in star trek).

total panic among passengers given their exoskeletons and reptilian looks. they try to use a translator device to ask folks to keep calm and that they are here by mistake because someone put the wrong co-ordinates.

pilots take one look and lock the door tight, and using his flightsim exp, he makes a beeline for diego where the threat and any organisms can be safely isolated. manages a successful landing. and now everyone is in quarantine while massa shivers and peers into his hubble telescope wondering if a invasion fleet is going to show up from hyperspace in mars orbit. they can reveal as it will cause global panic and religious convulsions with doomsday cults springing up.

Remote chance but I wont be surprised if its true ....atleast I wont take that line as CT until we get the box and decode it.

[habal]

Boeing aircraft can be officialy hacked.
http://www.4key.net/psyops-propaganda/m ... -15-years/

Boeing wins patent on uninterruptible autopilot system
Published 4 December 2006More Sharing ServicesShare| Share on emailShare on facebookShare on twitterShare on linkedin
New technology can be activated by the pilots, government agencies, even on-board sensors; not even a tortured pilot can give up control; dedicated electrical circuits ensure the system’s total independence

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com ... lot-system

It clearly says pilot can be bypassed. So the theory that a boeing pilot as opposed to an airbus pilot could switch off the autopilot and automated flight controls and flight assistance is not credible. And like Indo-Pak 'peace' talks under guidance of unkil this is also 'uninterruptible'. Please to note.

Does India use boeing 747 as it's VVIP transport aircraft for PM, President etc on official tours abroad ? Then we are exposed to same risks as MH 370.

[Singha]

we used to commandeer a AI 747 earlier, now 737 BBJ is used.

[vina]

AoA !! Positive News -- Plane detects new Signal
Have the Aussies been reading BRF lately ? Looks like they got a P3 to drop sonobuoys and Wallah ,a ping , a "new" one at that , and man made , as opposed to God Made! More ping-ping , and the P3 data needs more "anal-e-sys" . I wonder if they were looking for a submarine, they would do more "anal-e-sys" or dropping a torpedo based on their sonobuoy signals !

[Philip]

"Breaking Wind" news from the Malaysian fartbags! CNN reports:

The Malaysians now reveal that the jet suddenly dropped altitude (to avoid commercial traffic-one explanation) when crossing Malaysian territory,and then after being told about the missing aircraft ,the Malaysian air farce sent fighters into the Malacca Straits to intercept the aircraft! How did they know in which direction to look when thus far their radars supposedly did not pick up anything? Did it disappear from mil. radar and then reappear (supposedly to avoid being detected by mil radar,under 5000ft) and then the air farce ssnt on the chase? Why have they kept quiet about this vital info for a month ?
They also now say that the last person to speak was not the co-pilot,but the pilot and the voice was supposedly calm!

For weeks the Malaysians have kept silent about this piece of news.Their stories do not ring true and someone is fibbing in a classic piece of BS!

Why did the Malaysians NOT identify a huge civvie aircraft blip on their radar screens when it crossed their territory,a huge "red flag" to aviation experts.How can a 777 cross a country without its military NOT seeing it on its radar screens.Why did it descend below 5000ft? Qs now being asked by experts.They say that the aircraft now appears to have dropped low to avoid Malaysian mil radar,turned to avoid Thai airspace,then turned up again over the Malacca Straits to avoid Indo. territory and cross between Indo and the A&N islands-remember that at night our mil radars are turned off (open secret !) and then flew into ........?

Did it fly to DG via the Maldives as reportedly sighted,or did it again turn south to ping-pong land? An Oz aircraft has detected another "ping".It has to be the bird as their were so many Chinese aboard (Li Ping,Deng Xiao Ping,Zhao Ping,Fib-Ping,etc.,etc.)!

[Lalmohan]

Singha is half right. the aliens that appeared on board were vogons in the middle of a poetry recital. the pax died through vogon poetry shock (a well known phenomenon) and the crew crashed the plane deliberately to prevent further terra casualties
hero's of planet earth i tell you

[UlanBatori]

UBCNews has now taken to searching Autralian websites to find the latest BS, before CNN can make it their Breaking News.

vina is ahead of us; ONE more ping heard.
Yes, it IS amazing, isn't it, that the plane pings towards only ONE ship at a time: usually the same ship - if there are no PLN Mark 3 Dog-Ear-Carriers around. All the other searchers are searching desperately, but with their Pinger Locators up their musharrafs.

Each time the Ocean Shield hears a ping, they yell: DID YOU HEAR THAT? A CLEAR GONG PING!
And everyone of those other 2,003,487 searchers say: "Hwhat Nyaw?"

So they CAN'T deploy the searcher submarine while they are still listening for pings, so they will keep listening until they are sure the battery is dead, and THEN start searching with the submarine!

I mean, have you heard of a thing called a "Directional Microphone"? If you put a few of those pointing in different directions, that allows you to clearly decide the direction from which a given sound is coming. So if this ping is so highly directional (why else is it not heard by mulitple listeners?) then what is their problem?

But.. I err. Can't be critical of the PROFESSIONAL Australians. They look so nice in their ties and jackets (can't tell if they are wearing anything below that unlike Dan Rather, since these are TV images)

[UlanBatori]

I LOVE these Expert Comments:

1. Debris is Absolutely Plane Wreckage: Aviation Expert Geoffrey Thomas
2. A polystyrene cup would likely have been shrunken to the size of a thimble, University of Western Australia Oceanographer Professor Charitha Pattiaratchi said.
Trying to imagine a polystyrene cup sinking down 4500 meters... Must be very hard for the Volcanic Vent creatures down there to get a decent drink, with cups that small!

[Vayutuvan]

>> size of a thimble

Zimble only the jet has shrunk to the size of a scale model wait till Aus PM to unveil it in Aus parliament.

[UlanBatori]

Being built as we speak: Only the best for the Professional 'Roos. Revelle Plastic Kits.

But read this:

Malaysian air force search aircraft were scrambled around 8 a.m., soon after Malaysia Airlines reported that its plane was missing early March 8, Malaysian sources told CNN. The aircraft were scrambled before authorities corroborated data indicating that the plane turned back westward, a senior Malaysian government official told CNN.

• But the air force did not inform the Department of Civil Aviation or search and rescue operations until three days later, March 11, a source involved in the investigation told CNN.

er... the plane went missing at 1:30 AM.
The Malaysian Air Force SCRAMBLED at 8AM? Honourable Tunku Prime Minister, that's not a "scramble", that's a leisurely "Did you watch TV this morning? let's get some coffee and a good breakfast and try and see what the Chinese are doing" rubbernecking flight.

So the reason for their "SCRAMBLE" was to intercept the search-and-rescue!!!

[Rajiv Lather]

If the Malaysians thought the pilot was heading for the Petronas towers and brought it down; why not admit it ?

And this latest news about fighters being scrambled lends credence to Sarah Bajc's story...