Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Apr 2014 14:29

Saudi funds must have poured into masjid bilal. Back in 2008 place was more a idgah maidan with a very basic mosque at end of it. Today it looks like a palace.

negi · Post by **negi** » 18 Apr 2014 14:35

^ Well when it comes to building masjids; we will eat grass but build one applies on this side of the border too

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 18 Apr 2014 14:45

On Aaker 'Ahmed' Patel, this may surprise some:

http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/h34SBYV ... a-god.html

Apologies for the OT.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 18 Apr 2014 14:48

If What Ground report of MH says are true then 300+ figure needs to be revised. Only too de-racinated and educated Indiots would vote for Congis , NCP , APP and Tutti fruntti .

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 18 Apr 2014 14:52

jamwal wrote:Maybe because the Lotus symbol on EVMs is white, not saffron/orange. Makes it easier for voters to associate with BJP when pressing the button in booth.

Earlier, I used to wonder why RM is so famous. Now I know.

All symbols will be printed in Black and white on Cream colour paper supplied by Naasik .

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 18 Apr 2014 14:55

Hari Seldon wrote:More of the vision thing from NM:

>>FirstBiz ‏@FirstpostBiz 2m
CNBC Awaaz exclusive: Modi says railways can be India's growth engine, can link centre and states http://www.firstbiz.com/economy/modi-82585.html …

I recall NM in one of his early speeches (was it at SRCC?) mentioned that the railways could be used to boost pilgrimages throughgout the country - massive fillip to the tourism sector, to our crumbling pilgrim centers, to the railways themselves and so on. Just like he made the rann of kutch tourism gold by outta-box thinking, am hoping he'll do much for the rest of teh country too.

Provided everybody pitches in and contribute his mite.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 18 Apr 2014 15:07

chaanakya wrote:If What Ground report of MH says are true then 300+ figure needs to be revised. Only too de-racinated and educated Indiots would vote for Congis , NCP , APP and Tutti fruntti .

What is ground reports of MH? Good or bad for BJP?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Apr 2014 15:10

Sanjay Pugalia ‏@sanjaypugalia 3h

@narendramodi spells out his economic agenda for the 1st time on TV with@sanjaypugalia @CNBC_Awaaz. Watch @ibnlive at 8pm. @ibnkhabar at 9pm

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 18 Apr 2014 15:13

chaanakya wrote:
jamwal wrote:Maybe because the Lotus symbol on EVMs is white, not saffron/orange. Makes it easier for voters to associate with BJP when pressing the button in booth.

Earlier, I used to wonder why RM is so famous. Now I know.
All symbols will be printed in Black and white on Cream colour paper supplied by Naasik .

http://www.newindianexpress.com/thesund ... 881741.ece

The BJP wants to replace the kamal (lotus) which exists in various forms, shapes and colours especially saffron, into merely a blue-lined diagram. No, it’s not vaastu at work for the astrologically inclined party, but advertising sense.

Unlike the saffron version of the lotus that appears in all party literature and publicity material, the BJP’s election symbol as it appears on the electronic voting machines (EVM) is a lined diagram of the flower in blue. And the electorate, so used to seeing a saffron lotus, is often left confused when presented with the shorn-of-all-adornment figure.

Worried that support drummed up in favour of the party, thanks to intensive campaigning, may not translate into voters pressing the correct button on the electronic voting machine, BJP President Rajnath Singh has shot off a “most urgent” letter to his partymen, asking them to use the correct symbol of the party – a lined diagram of the national flower.

“The symbol kamal (lotus) may not be decorated, distorted or made colourful in any way to make it more attractive. By doing so, the voters get confused at the time of voting,” Rajnath Singh said in his November 2 letter.

“The karyakartas (cadre) may pay special attention to the fact that our voters are aware of the actual lined diagram of the symbol Kamal, and that is the only Kamal registered in their minds,” he added.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 18 Apr 2014 15:28

vivek.rao wrote:
chaanakya wrote:If What Ground report of MH says are true then 300+ figure needs to be revised. Only too de-racinated and educated Indiots would vote for Congis , NCP , APP and Tutti fruntti .
What is ground reports of MH? Good or bad for BJP?

Good for MoDiFied BJP. Many a stealwarts are going to bite the dust.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Apr 2014 15:39

Yashwant Deshmukh ‏@cvoter 3h

Carefully analyse the Modi media strategy as typical Gujju businessman. He has gone for only for volume. Which increases margins by default.

Yashwant Deshmukh ‏@cvoter 3h

Those who are unaware of regional dynamics; Modi interview to TV9 was smart move. TV9 regional channels are No.1 in AP; Kar; Mah; Guj & Ker.

Yashwant Deshmukh ‏@cvoter 3h

Modi preferred @sanjaypugalia and CNBC_awaaz over Rajdeep and CNN-IBN; even though they belong to same group. He has kind of boycotted NDTV.

Misra · Post by **Misra** » 18 Apr 2014 15:43

cnbc awaaz interview with modi: hindi.moneycontrol.com/tv/view_video.php?autono=98891

good 55 min interview, in hindi.

-- acknowledges tremendous expectations of people, says his long experience as CM of Gujarat will help

-- regional aspirations, decentralization, team India as PM + all CMs, too early to speak of formation of ministries

-- potential of railways as engine of growth such that development of states and center can be synchronized

-- no need for getting outside people for solving indian issues--says india has infinite talent within

-- minimum government maximum governance, one-day government example in Gujarat

-- coal india (etc.) can be professionalized to turn them around and make them profitable

-- cronyism in PSUs/privatization? must trust employees' capabilities, case by case study of PSU's then action

-- fdi in retail relook/GST stand? in favor of GST but must develop infrastructure first esp IT network strengthening, central govt must treat states as its own and should use their input

-- no shortcuts in politics. running a govt is a serious business. populist steps should not be taken.

-- status of PMO changed? country like india needs more and more decentralization, in 14 years in Gujarat i've never had to call a single secretary: there is a system, it works--i don't need to involve myself needlessly, i have had no work in Gujarat

-- fiscal empowerment of states? i know the expectations/needs of states: state says i need water but center gives money for roads, need to change mindset so that adaptable/flexible central assistance can be offered to states

-- foreign policy? role of external affairs ministry has changed a lot: trade, commerce and technology more imp today

-- subsidies/rights-based policies? poor have right on govt treasury/resources, govt will work to bring them out of poverty

-- left/right/centrist vs pro-people thinking/approach

-- strong opponent of appeasement/terminology of hindu-muslim-sikh-isayi, need to move to using youth, employment, empowerment, etc

-- sound byte for muslims of varanasi? sorry, not gonna do that: not for muslims not for hindus

-- BJP-RSS? whenever congress sees bad days it starts bad-mouthing RSS. congress and news traders have caused a lot of loss for RSS. in the coming years RSS--india's largest NGO--is going to do very useful work, "secularly". "ye pavitra log hain"

-- RSS has been instrumental in making me. has never asked/instructed me to do anything

-- media is a big strength of democaracy, us politicians have caused big loss of media's credibility. media has to step up and clean itself

-- big national issue today is criminalization of politics. deterioration set in just 15-20 years after independence. caste-based, religion-based factionalism, anti-social elements turned from helpers of politicians to politicians themselves. political parties today can't seem to rid themselves of this even though they want to. one solution could be: this time the new govt could request the SC to resolve all cases against MPs and MLAs within one year. those convicted will vacate seats, clean candidates can replace them

-- corruption? my first priority will be how to create institutions that will not allow "new" corruption, create preventive mechanisms first then address the existing malaise

-- CBI/CVC/ECI/etc repair? existing constitutional provisions for institutions are great but haven't received good direction/leadership

-- unlike other politicians who are afraid to mingle publicly with industrialists, i do so openly. if youth are to receive employment then industrial development is a must. medium and small scale industries development is v important (85% growth in GJ vs 20% india). vibrant gujarat conferences, annual agriculture festivals, lab to land, etc.

-- branding of indian cities, e.g. can host australian PM in hyderabad and american Prez in varanasi....

negi · Post by **negi** » 18 Apr 2014 15:45

For such an important piece of equipment our EVMs are so pathetic as far as UX goes; how difficult it is to have buttons made of transparent plastic with a slit underneath to place etched party symbols which can be replaced pretty easily for specific booths and also ensures that symbols do not get erased or ripped due to oily hands or rough handling ? The buttons themselves should have a LED below that should have made symbols much more visible , as it is the EVM is to be used only for 1 day per election I don't see even reliability issues coming up there and even power requirements aren't high enough which cannot be met by alkaline batteries. Sala ek kaam theek se nahin hota inse.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 18 Apr 2014 16:07

Thanks Misra for taking so much pain. Your post was very useful.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 18 Apr 2014 16:22

@negi, the symbols & candidates chart is protected by a transparent plastic cover, is it not ?

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 18 Apr 2014 16:24

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 18 Apr 2014 16:28

Rahul Mehta wrote: The color of Lotus was orange in dec-2012 gujarat assembly elections,=. It became white sometime after Kejrival won Delhi elections.

In Nov 2013, BJP had changed it to white lotus with thicker outlines. Not after Kejri's win!

http://www.dehradunpost.com/bjp-removes ... us-symbol/

http://www.newindianexpress.com/thesund ... 881785.ece

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 18 Apr 2014 16:29

IT Super Power onlee

Pathetic state of affairs
OT here but, I don't get the fascination in Indian manufacturing with ugly nuts/bolts, screws & rivets

Hopefully when modi is PM we can revive Indian manufacturing and take it to the next level.

negi wrote:For such an important piece of equipment our EVMs are so pathetic as far as UX goes; how difficult it is to have buttons made of transparent plastic with a slit underneath to place etched party symbols which can be replaced pretty easily for specific booths and also ensures that symbols do not get erased or ripped due to oily hands or rough handling ? The buttons themselves should have a LED below that should have made symbols much more visible , as it is the EVM is to be used only for 1 day per election I don't see even reliability issues coming up there and even power requirements aren't high enough which cannot be met by alkaline batteries. Sala ek kaam theek se nahin hota inse.

negi · Post by **negi** » 18 Apr 2014 16:47

Rahul M wrote:@negi, the symbols & candidates chart is protected by a transparent plastic cover, is it not ?

It is not visible to a lot of elderly who vote in higher numbers as against 20-30 age group. The print quality of those symbols is pathetic looks as a sheet was cyclostyled overnight.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 18 Apr 2014 16:52

Misra wrote:cnbc awaaz interview with modi: hindi.moneycontrol.com/tv/view_video.php?autono=98891

good 55 min interview, in hindi.

-- acknowledges tremendous expectations of people, says his long experience as CM of Gujarat will help

-- regional aspirations, decentralization, team India as PM + all CMs, too early to speak of formation of ministries

-- potential of railways as engine of growth such that development of states and center can be synchronized

-- no need for getting outside people for solving indian issues--says india has infinite talent within

-- minimum government maximum governance, one-day government example in Gujarat

-- coal india (etc.) can be professionalized to turn them around and make them profitable

-- cronyism in PSUs/privatization? must trust employees' capabilities, case by case study of PSU's then action

-- fdi in retail relook/GST stand? in favor of GST but must develop infrastructure first esp IT network strengthening, central govt must treat states as its own and should use their input

-- no shortcuts in politics. running a govt is a serious business. populist steps should not be taken.

-- status of PMO changed? country like india needs more and more decentralization, in 14 years in Gujarat i've never had to call a single secretary: there is a system, it works--i don't need to involve myself needlessly, i have had no work in Gujarat

-- fiscal empowerment of states? i know the expectations/needs of states: state says i need water but center gives money for roads, need to change mindset so that adaptable/flexible central assistance can be offered to states

-- foreign policy? role of external affairs ministry has changed a lot: trade, commerce and technology more imp today

-- subsidies/rights-based policies? poor have right on govt treasury/resources, govt will work to bring them out of poverty

-- left/right/centrist vs pro-people thinking/approach

-- strong opponent of appeasement/terminology of hindu-muslim-sikh-isayi, need to move to using youth, employment, empowerment, etc

-- sound byte for muslims of varanasi? sorry, not gonna do that: not for muslims not for hindus

-- BJP-RSS? whenever congress sees bad days it starts bad-mouthing RSS. congress and news traders have caused a lot of loss for RSS. in the coming years RSS--india's largest NGO--is going to do very useful work, "secularly". "ye pavitra log hain"

-- RSS has been instrumental in making me. has never asked/instructed me to do anything

-- media is a big strength of democaracy, us politicians have caused big loss of media's credibility. media has to step up and clean itself

-- big national issue today is criminalization of politics. deterioration set in just 15-20 years after independence. caste-based, religion-based factionalism, anti-social elements turned from helpers of politicians to politicians themselves. political parties today can't seem to rid themselves of this even though they want to. one solution could be: this time the new govt could request the SC to resolve all cases against MPs and MLAs within one year. those convicted will vacate seats, clean candidates can replace them

-- corruption? my first priority will be how to create institutions that will not allow "new" corruption, create preventive mechanisms first then address the existing malaise

-- CBI/CVC/ECI/etc repair? existing constitutional provisions for institutions are great but haven't received good direction/leadership

-- unlike other politicians who are afraid to mingle publicly with industrialists, i do so openly. if youth are to receive employment then industrial development is a must. medium and small scale industries development is v important (85% growth in GJ vs 20% india). vibrant gujarat conferences, annual agriculture festivals, lab to land, etc.

-- branding of indian cities, e.g. can host australian PM in hyderabad and american Prez in varanasi....

beautiful.

faith in this man's belief system +1.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 18 Apr 2014 16:53

compare the effective mix of governance knowledge, pragmatism and nationalism versus jokers like RaGa and Kejriwal, and India is lucky to have a choice like Modi.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 18 Apr 2014 16:55

watched the entire interview. Boy the man has so much clarity and vision. Respect. Can't wait to see him become our LEADER.

vipins · Post by **vipins** » 18 Apr 2014 16:57

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chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 18 Apr 2014 17:05

EVM has one major drawback. Political parties know voting patter at Booth level since tally is done booth wise. So residents of a particular area voting in a specific booth can be threatened. This is how Ajit Pawar is threatening villagers at Baramati MH in his now trending threat

"Vote or will cut off water supply. Will Get to know whom you have voted for"

During earlier days of paper ballot, all paper ballots used to be mixed and shuffled before counting started ( courtesy Sheshan Ji) and Agent had no way of knowing which areas voted which way . The logic was to shield voters from future threats. Now politicians have become so criminal and emboldened that they openly issue threat and no action is taken.

Time is now to explore possibility of shuffling of votes in EVM. Any Ideas?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Apr 2014 17:24

Raghunath AS ‏@asraghunath 2h

The inside story of the Gujarat Model. pic.twitter.com/thwMnBaX7t

negi · Post by **negi** » 18 Apr 2014 17:31

The only real way to shuffle the count is to ensure that votes are not recorded in a distributed fashion on EVM chip but recorded at a centralized server per constituency but that has it's own issues (every EVM will have it's own logging footprint IP/MAC/SIM etc etc) . In the current setup the best way to ensure secrecy is to make sure that those who do the counting be kept in the dark about which polling station an EVM came from. They might only know the constituency not the polling booth itself.

rohitv · Post by **rohitv** » 18 Apr 2014 17:38

negi wrote:The only real way to shuffle the count is to ensure that votes are not recorded in a distributed fashion on EVM chip but recorded at a centralized server per constituency but that has it's own issues (every EVM will have it's own logging footprint IP/MAC/SIM etc etc) . In the current setup the best way to ensure secrecy is to make sure that those who do the counting be kept in the dark about which polling station an EVM came from. They might only know the constituency not the polling booth itself.

shuffle the EVMs

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 18 Apr 2014 17:44

chaanakya wrote:EVM has one major drawback. Political parties know voting patter at Booth level since tally is done booth wise. So residents of a particular area voting in a specific booth can be threatened. This is how Ajit Pawar is threatening villagers at Baramati MH in his now trending threat

"Vote or will cut off water supply. Will Get to know whom you have voted for"

During earlier days of paper ballot, all paper ballots used to be mixed and shuffled before counting started ( courtesy Sheshan Ji) and Agent had no way of knowing which areas voted which way . The logic was to shield voters from future threats. Now politicians have become so criminal and emboldened that they openly issue threat and no action is taken.

Time is now to explore possibility of shuffling of votes in EVM. Any Ideas?

As far as I know to prevent that the EVM's are actually picked up random;ly from am constitutional area while reading the values.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 18 Apr 2014 17:50

negi wrote:The only real way to shuffle the count is to ensure that votes are not recorded in a distributed fashion on EVM chip but recorded at a centralized server per constituency but that has it's own issues (every EVM will have it's own logging footprint IP/MAC/SIM etc etc) . In the current setup the best way to ensure secrecy is to make sure that those who do the counting be kept in the dark about which polling station an EVM came from. They might only know the constituency not the polling booth itself.

That is not possible.As you rightly said, each EVM comes with embedded serial number which is mapped to Polling station during a process called randomisation. Then each Control Unit is paired with Ballot Units as needed. This is done some 10 days before actual poll and in presence of political parties or their agents. They have booth and EVM numbers. While counting these details are checked before counting process begins. Clearly agent will know which booth and what EVM is used and how many votes have been cast. They also have Electoral rolls booth wise. How difficult it would be to track 300 families in a booth.

One possible answer would be to reorient the process during counting. Once EVM is verified and total votes are counted for each rounds or all rounds then votes could be centrally counted without revealing from which EVM tally is coming. It would give constituency wise tally for each counting centre.That would shield voters. However the idea of taking EVM tally is to ensure that only raw data is read and not transferred or rewritten data where there could be some chance of interfaring with the transfer process or writing process.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Apr 2014 18:09

negi wrote:^ Well when it comes to building masjids; we will eat grass but build one applies on this side of the border too

we have to consider demographics too.. communities should build based on a ration as our fundamental setup so far is such - quota system.

equality and fairness must be respected.. if 80% are muslims, then we need to have that much prayer services.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 18 Apr 2014 18:34

What SaiK ji?

As a seculah nation shouldn't all Indians pray 80% time to Hindu gods, 15% for Allah, 3% to Jesus etc?

Perhaps we should comeup with a seculah name for God with proportionate letters reserved for each religion? How about CHANDRAMOULISWARA

What proportion we should take into consideration? Population of India or entire human race?

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 18 Apr 2014 18:45

RamaY-ji & James-ji: you have e-khabar

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Apr 2014 18:47

Modi will lose onlee.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Apr 2014 19:06

in rest of elections, Namo needs to attack like Erwin Rommel and Ewald Von Kliest moving across the Low Countries, breaching the albert canal, eben emael and maginot line to make a beeline for Paree.

dislocate all the enemy plans by combination of mass, speed and co-ordination of movement. use Ju87 Stukas like combative spokesmen to harass enemy lines.

reduce the regime to a valiant evacuation of regime leaders by foreign govt plane from palam vvip area as the first armour spearheads come within visual sight of the Raisina hill.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 18 Apr 2014 19:09

NaMo youa re not eyt PM, you will lose onleeeee, please dont get overconfident

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 18 Apr 2014 19:14

singha what about role of deep cover spetznaz who hopefully come out of the woodwork now.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Apr 2014 19:17

Local self defense forces behind enemy lines are already showing their true colours by shifting their allegiance to Modi and campaigning with his posters at the last minute sowing utter confusion among enemy ranks. As the fight picks up expect more sabotage on logistic lines.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 18 Apr 2014 19:20

he he. i wonder who will be the INC cabals otto skorzeny to protect their leadah-ship and spirit them away to well stocked pads abroad?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 18 Apr 2014 19:21

Hats off to the man.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Apr 2014 19:28

ramay the windchill factor can smother the structure with deep cold bites.. psec feel factor is 80% islam!