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Yogi_G wrote:I am an ardent Modi supporter but somehow 24x7 power supply through the length and breadth of India seems like snake oil to me without local govt support. I dont see Mayawati or cycle party working closely with Modi's people at all.
Fair weather supporter then.
So what's going to be the outcome, if Maya/Akhilesh/Mamata refuse to cooperate with such projects?
They'll be voted out in the next round.
Most likely, they themselves will try to carry out such projects and claim credit.

Sorry, but you don't see the larger picture. A nationalistic government with committed agenda for all around development means such regional parties will wind up next few years.
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Paul wrote:One low hanging fruit would be get 20,000 MW worth of power plants regular supply of coal so that they can start supplying power. He has referred to this in multiple meetings.

Distribution and collecting bills is more challenging than producing power as it is B2C.

National Transmission Grid. 'Easy' transfer from West and Central to other regions
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Creating a 24x7 supply is easier and can be done. The problem is with modernization of T&D infra, T&D losses, power theft, free power schemes, metering and collection of dues and power connectivity for all households especially in far flung area.
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Also, invest in alternative sources of energy to make them cheaper(maybe some kind of subsidizing to get the industry rolling). Modi has talked a lot about solar power.

Communication, roads/railways/airports/ports, and energy/fuel is the key to all development.
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Yogi_G wrote:I am an ardent Modi supporter but somehow 24x7 power supply through the length and breadth of India seems like snake oil to me without local govt support. I dont see Mayawati or cycle party working closely with Modi's people at all.
BJP Govts till the end of 2014

- Punjab (SAD-BJP)
- Himachal Pradesh (fall in August)
- Haryana (scheduled elections this year)
- Uttarkhand (fall in August)
- Delhi (dissolution in June)
- Rajasthan (already)
- Gujarat (already)
- UP (fall in Sept)
- Bihar (fall in August)
- Jharkhand (fall in July)
- MP (already)
- Chattisgarh (already)
- Maharashtra (scheduled elections this year, Mahayuti)
- Goa (already)
- AP (TDP-BJP)

So there will enough support to NaMo at all levels to carry out his agenda.
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Will Nehru-Gandhi Dynasty Reboot or Fade Out?

http://www.newindianexpress.com/electio ... te]Drawing room and tea-stall chatter nowadays centres on whether the 128-year-old no longer a Grand Old Party will be able to reach the 100-seat mark in the 545-member Lok Sabha in which two MPs are nominated.

It must be mortifying for the Congress that this figure has become something of a psychological marker. There will be a faint sigh of relief in its portals if the party can cross it, and a precipitous plunge into despair if it cannot.

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More than the future of the party, its members and supporters must be wondering about the fate of the dynasty. Will it gradually fade away or will be it be able to lift itself by the bootstraps to face the challenges which it never anticipated ?

Since four generations of the Nehru-Gandhi family - from Jawaharlal Nehru to Indira Gandhi, Rajiv and Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi - have been the mainstay of the Congress, it will not be easy for the party to cut its umbilical links all of a sudden.

The expectation is that not only will the party men feel like orphans in the dynasty's absence, unable to think and decide for themselves, but that there will be no one to keep them from indulging in fratricidal warfare - a role which only the family was capable of playing.

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Ironically, it is the Congress's arch-opponent, Modi, who has taken advantage of the prevailing mood of free enterprise although it is the Congress's prime minister, Narasimha Rao, who opened up the economy in 1991.

Is the fact of Rao not being a family member (though a loyal Congressman) a cause of annoyance to the family's feudal instincts, making it virtually disown the economic reforms which he started?

It is no secret that Sonia's disinterest in the reforms inhibited the Manmohan Singh government from energetically pushing them forward, thereby slowing down the growth rate in the last few years. The sluggishness could not but have pleased Aruna Roy, a member of the left-of-centre National Advisory Council (NAC) led by Sonia, who had been bemoaning the government's emphasis on growth.

Since charisma is much more than just being good-looking, the family will have to come to grips with the changes that have taken place since Sonia learnt her first lessons in realpolitik in Indira's household and Rahul came of age. The major change is that socialism has become "outdated", as Manmohan Singh said, probably in sorrow, because the doctrine has a fairly high number of followers in India.

They are present not only in the communist parties, but also in the academia and in the NAC. It is the "inputs" which this outfit gave to Sonia which derailed the reforms process. The Congress itself has a number of socialists in its ranks, including Defence Minister A.K. Antony and the Kerala unit, which refused to allow foreign investment in the retail sector in the state.

If the Congress is to have some chance of success in the election after the forthcoming one, which may be earlier than in 2019, it has to pay heed to Amartya Sen's call for a right-wing, market-oriented, secular party. For an avowed leftist like the Nobel laureate to take this line is probably an appeal to the Congress.

If the Congress pays no attention, the field will be left open for a right-wing, market-oriented party which cannot be called secular.[/quote]When did Sen abandon dolenomics!!!
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Sen is an opportunist. always was. always will be. he will beat whichever drum he thinks is going with the wind.
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right wing secular party. Amazing!
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Kanchan Gupta ‏@KanchanGupta 11m

Looking at New York Time's concern, it would seem Modi is running for the US Presidency. Bigotry in the guise of liberal commentary.
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RajeshA wrote:
Yogi_G wrote:I am an ardent Modi supporter but somehow 24x7 power supply through the length and breadth of India seems like snake oil to me without local govt support. I dont see Mayawati or cycle party working closely with Modi's people at all.
BJP Govts till the end of 2014

- Punjab (SAD-BJP)
- Himachal Pradesh (fall in August)
- Haryana (scheduled elections this year)
- Uttarkhand (fall in August)
- Delhi (dissolution in June)
- Rajasthan (already)
- Gujarat (already)
- UP (fall in Sept)
- Bihar (fall in August)
- Jharkhand (fall in July)
- MP (already)
- Chattisgarh (already)
- Maharashtra (scheduled elections this year, Mahayuti)
- Goa (already)
- AP (TDP-BJP)

So there will enough support to NaMo at all levels to carry out his agenda.

Thanks for that info, I hope I get to eat crow when Modi does indeed achieve what he is promising.

Any precedents when a reasonably strong state govt collapsed when the opposition party took power in the centre?
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Yogi_G wrote:I am an ardent Modi supporter but somehow 24x7 power supply through the length and breadth of India seems like snake oil to me without local govt support. I dont see Mayawati or cycle party working closely with Modi's people at all.
He doesn't need to achieve everything he promises to the letter. If he can deliver a significant improvement in govt. services, administration and economy then he is on the right path. It is important he does enough to leave in no doubt that he is the right one to elect even in 2019. But if he did it in Gujarat, I don't see why he can't do it in the rest of India.
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once people get used to development they wont settle for anything else or less.
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For our Tamil friends to comment
Amar Govindarajan ‏@amargov 37m

Modi also gave a special interview to Dinamalar, a Tamil Daily, it appears. Just read through - neatly done! http://www.dinamalar.com/news_detail.asp?id=956965
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dna ‏@dna 46m

Six million voters' names deleted in Maharashtra! http://dnai.in/caDd
In a shocking revelation that could impact election results, the names of nearly six million voters have been deleted or diverted across Maharashtra.

The deletion was done mainly because the voters were currently not residing in the area in which they were originally registered, a state election commission official said here Saturday on condition of anonymity. Meanwhile state chief electoral officer Nitin Gadre told IANS: "These are not missing names. The deletions were done six months ago as per the legal process."

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Official sources claimed the work of preparing electoral rolls was reportedly entrusted to a private company but state poll panel officials declined to name or blame the company for the alleged goof up.
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this is election rigging on an industrial scale! cannot be a "mistake" or "mishap". it is deliberate. 60 lakh names don't just disappear due to an "error". I'd like the EC to explain how this could possibly be an "error".
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This time around dynasty crawling past the 50 seat mark will be an achievement.
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harbans wrote:This time around dynasty crawling past the 50 seat mark will be an achievement.
No sir. There are people still willing to vote for congress in spite of all this corruption and devilry. MH for example.
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harbans wrote:This time around dynasty crawling past the 50 seat mark will be an achievement.

don't underestimate INC. they might yet find a way to survive the wilderness and come back. BJP better be ready if it comes to power. they will have the task of mopping up those sections of INC which can still be redeemed and clearing out the rest.
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When did Sen abandon dolenomics!!!
Amartya Sen should be confined to the dustbin as far as India is concerned. He knows his dolenomics blew up badly and that Modi will change things for the better. Now he's giving opportunist bytes to allow for a dignified exit. He should not get one. Amartya Sen symbolized the decadence of economic decisions of votebank'ism that the UPA followed last few years. Never should be forgiven.
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This is very similar to the scientific rigging of CPI-M in WB during their heydeys when non-supporters would find their names deleted from electoral rolls. Why is the NDA not protesting what happened in Pune and MH? I don't believe there can be 6 million bogus voters in the rolls.
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devesh wrote:Sen is an opportunist. always was. always will be. he will beat whichever drum he thinks is going with the wind.
+108. He is a Trojan Horse of Western Imperialism for India.
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pankajs wrote:For our Tamil friends to comment
Amar Govindarajan ‏@amargov 37m

Modi also gave a special interview to Dinamalar, a Tamil Daily, it appears. Just read through - neatly done! http://www.dinamalar.com/news_detail.asp?id=956965
Wow! Didn't read in full yet, but his answer to the first question was fantastic. First part of the article says - after tight security clearances (good!) they got to Modi, and he instantly put them at ease by inviting them to sit on a sofa next to him. He refused to preview their list of questions and tackled them one by one exactly as they asked (real-time).

First question: What will the BJP do for TN?
A: Water! River-linking, water for industry, major problem for TN solved. Next - make TN the prime fish export location throughout Asia. Atomic energy manufacturing and production of materials (slap in the face of Udayakumar and co?). Then - since 1850, TN was the standard for per-unit-acre agricultural production. Why did TN deteriorate in recent times? I will find out! Together, we will restore TN to its agricultural primacy.

That's the gist of his answer to the first question. He seems to have adopted an inclusive approach, as in - let's get together and see what we can achieve for TN. I'm one of you, friend, enabler, compatriot. Wonderful, I say.
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NaMo in Katihar Bihar

Sonia model is RSVP model

Rahul Sonia Vadra Priyanka Model.

Maa Bete ka Model.
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Maybe some BRFite with lot of time in next few weeks could create a list of individuals in every area that need to be kept away from government, and another list which contains the list of individuals to be sent for re-education.
Sort of a grey list and black list.
Don't want another Brajesh Mishra.
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headlines today AP opinion poll by cicero showing BJP-TDP leading across all communities and tie with YSRCP for reddy's.
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^from pankajs link:
எம்.ஜி.ஆர்., போல...:பேட்டி முடிந்தவுடன், அவரின் ஆற்றல் தாக்கத்தோடு வெளியேவந்த ஒரு செய்தியாளர், 'நான் 6ம் வகுப்பு படிக்கும் போது, எம்.ஜி.ஆர்., என்னை ஒரு முறை தூக்கி, அணைத்துக் கொண்டார், அப்போது, அந்த பெருந்தலைவரின் அணைப்பால் ஒரு விதமான சிலிர்ப்பு ஏற்பட்டது. அந்த விதமான உணர்வு, இன்று தான், மோடி சந்திப்பின் மூலம் ஏற்பட்டு உள்ளது.
Modi == MGR the 2! wah! MGR connected with people with hugs.. and Modi could do that by just talks alone.

What more you want amma's sadee to shibber?
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I would be also worried about giving ministership to LKA, SS, AK, VN, MMJ, etc.
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he should try few more rallies in TN, dunno whether possible in next 3 days
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Supratik wrote:I would be also worried about giving ministership to LKA, SS, AK, VN, MMJ, etc.
Remember the CNBC interview? Modi said he wants to engage with all CMs on din-din basis? perhaps these people can be the mediators and engagement ministers. create new ministry, divide zones, and distribute responsibilities.. India is huge!
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If AK wins against NN, give him a Ministry. MMJ, in the same vein, can be given the Education/Culture Ministry with direct message from Modi that he can fulfill all his un-achieved dreams from the Vajpayee era.

Keep LKA out. he is done.

SS should be given the ambassadorship to USA. time to put her right in the middle of temptation and see if she takes the bait. if she does, Modi/BJP/RSS don't need a better excuse to get rid of her.

who is VN?
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SaiK wrote:
Supratik wrote:I would be also worried about giving ministership to LKA, SS, AK, VN, MMJ, etc.
Remember the CNBC interview? Modi said he wants to engage with all CMs on din-din basis? perhaps these people can be the mediators and engagement ministers. create new ministry, divide zones, and distribute responsibilities.. India is huge!

bad idea, IMO. they will quickly isolate Modi and turn his relations will all the satraps into a toxic mess. mediation is serious power. giving known collaborators with a penchant for hedging their bets, the power to mediate with CM's is a terrible blunder.

akin to Shahu stopping Baji Rao from once and for all destroying the Nizam.
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For some reason i think MMJ should be kept away from the culture/HR/ education ministries.
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Venkaiah Naidu
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Venkaiah Naidu's administrative ability is not much known. but if he is capable, he should be given infra or civil aviation or something like that. I think he has enough wits to understand his boss's orders and get things done if given the chance. putting him in charge of the Highways development/Infra sector is not a bad idea.
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Modi interviews are like BRF dream come true over last ten years. He plans to implement most of the various threads we have in the forum!!!

Mogambo khush!

also means the forum was on the right track in the wilderness years.

lest not slack off and think big for the next 15 years to 2030.
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ok then.. this is getting hard:

animal husbandry,
transportation
railways
labor and employment
overseas indian affairs
aah! coal?
law and justice
mines
culture
water resources
chemicals and fertilizers
argi
textiles
social justice and empowerment ....
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he wont make those promises if he cant deliver, he has turned around a state , so he has some idea of how to carry it out.
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wait for May 16 guys. this is premature ......
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devesh wrote:If AK wins against NN, give him a Ministry. MMJ, in the same vein, can be given the Education/Culture Ministry with direct message from Modi that he can fulfill all his un-achieved dreams from the Vajpayee era.

Keep LKA out. he is done.

SS should be given the ambassadorship to USA. time to put her right in the middle of temptation and see if she takes the bait. if she does, Modi/BJP/RSS don't need a better excuse to get rid of her.

who is VN?
Keep him away from HRD/education/culture . Some one in Rajiv Malhotra or Koenraad Elst mould.
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well there are options for Modi:

the other possibility is that he can gather the CM's and each of State-level heads and ask them to recommend their picks from their States.

this will in one sweep destroy whatever leverage the D4, and other Delhi cabals within BJP, has over the satraps. this also ensures that Modi has 2nd rung leadership that owes their rise to him, and thus people who he can rely on to be his capable subordinates.

or he can go with a combination of both: keep some of the "seniors" so as to not make enemies of all of them; and also bring in new blood from State level by taking the State-chiefs into his trust and confidence.
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