India-US Strategic News and Discussion

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Apr 2014 19:35

My opinion is that the WHOTUS circle around BO is toxic- leftwing/paki and also utterly incompetent in doing anything positive, far-sighted etc. They are themselves BapZi and strongly EJ etc - longstanding propensity of the "CivilRights" netaship to base their power in the center of the BapZi fortresses who are the direct descendants of the slave-traders. So imagine LeftWing Socialist anarchists who are also uber-EJ racists, being The Establishment.

There is complete non-cooperation with COTUS republicans. The Moderate Republicans who usually represented economic conservatism and business sanity, and the philosophical liberals of the Kennedy type who represent the Ideal America that many ppl around the world imagine, are both totally marginalized. So this creates a moral and commonsense vacuum where the nutcases of the WHOTUS allow the nutcases of the USCIRF to run riot in the SD. A situation Made in Houristan for the pakis in the SD.

I know this is so convoluted that it induces cognitive dissonance, but there it is. Hopefully this midterm election will be a wakeup call, but I doubt it - both sides will see the result as a strong endorsement for BapZi Values, plus international bullying plus trade wars to benefit the trade unions plus real wars for the Mil-Ind-Com.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Apr 2014 20:10

schinnas wrote:I found the foreign policy section of BJP manifesto to be interesting. A clear call for forming new alliances with multiple world powers in an India first policy. Both sides have some levers they can use especially if India gets a strong leader like NaMo with majority. It will be interesting to see who blinks first. I am yet to see NaMo blink.

After 1998 test NDA govt pursued a Strategic agreement with all P5 countries. This strategic dialogue has continued over the last several years with major countries. This should have been done 20 years.
India is almost 20% of the world population and has such a small footprint in the global trade and strategic influence. Lot has to do with colonization and the western oriented Indian elites who did not look at the Indian interest.

The previous such PM was IG and Uncle didn't like her for that reason. History seems to repeat itself. I can only hope that US elects an India friendly President like Kennedy in 2016. I believe Kennedy was genuinely interested in and helped India during peak of cold war despite spurned by Nehru earlier. Despite his stated rhetoric to form a strategic partnership, Obama might end up becoming the most anti-India president after Nixon. Not clear if it is due to incompetence (of both MMS and Obama) or lack of sincerity on Uncle's side?

US lobby groups which have interests inside India are -
Business groups such as Hi Tech, Pharma, Defense etc. If you see the slides of the large companies in US and what plans they have with India the first item is Defense.

EJ groups - This is the largest lobby group against India and wants to penetrate. They have tried to change their tactics employing NGOs and human rights and human trafficking issues.

Lobby groups are running the US policy now and there fore they will keep the momentum. Ombaba may not be able to do much. Most of the India policy is done by the congress and lobby groups. India has to keep engaged with business groups and other trade groups. It may be just talking for another 10 years but India has to get to know the new gen business leaders in US corp. Indians have to engage with the new gen lawmakers in congress and senate.

Extraordinary changes are happening in the world.
The globe is becoming smaller in a rapid pace which the western strategic communities are unable to cope up with. Deeper penetration of internet and communication has brought the entire world closer and all the hidden information of the past history is out in the open

The demographic changes in the west and Asia is rapidly changing the global geopolitical balance and the western leaders are unable to catch up with the rapid changes
The baby boomers in the west will reduce their participation in consumption and activity but will still work. Their influence in the world is reducing faster.

The rise of the young generation in Asia is faster and they are catching up to the west faster than others had anticipated. Global leaders are behind in catching up wth the younger Asian population. India and Asean younger population are in the economy faster than anticipated.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2014 20:38

Note exactly related to the thread ..

Brahma Chellaney ‏@Chellaney 33m

U.S. "exceptionalism" trumps international law: Obama signs into law new measure that undercuts U.S. obligation to grant visas to UN envoys.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 19 Apr 2014 22:06

vinayak-ji, UB-ji:
India's biggest lobbying power is our affluent and well educated NRI community in USA. Most of the NRI community - especially the first generation immigrants and vast number of IT folks that are there on temp visas want to do something for their motherland, but dont have easier avenue for doing so. I hope the new government provides structured forums where they can join forces to shape the policy of US elected officials. In several constituencies, Indian Americans form a sizeable chunk of voting population and can indeed influence policy. Being affluent they can also influence in other ways such as active participation in campaigning, structured and strategic fund-raising by some nodal Indian American organization for influential senators and congressmen, etc. The key is India cannot remain ignorant of how business gets done in SD.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Apr 2014 04:43

Cross-posted,but an excellent insight into the strategy of the US and NATO to dominate the Eurasian landmass.

The Great Game is already underway,it has begun in the Ukraine and will encompass both Europe and Asia.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... e-china-us
Nato's action plan in Ukraine is right out of Dr Strangelove

John Pilger
The Guardian, Thursday 17 April 2014

Nato's action plan in Ukraine is right out of Dr Strangelove
From China to Ukraine, the US is pursuing its longstanding ambition to dominate the Eurasian landmass

Men wearing military fatigues in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk
'What is certain is that Barack Obama’s rapacious coup in Ukraine has ignited a civil war and Vladimir Putin is being lured into a trap.' Photograph: Anatoliy Stepanov/AFP/Getty Images

I watched Dr Strangelove the other day. I have seen it perhaps a dozen times; it makes sense of senseless news. When Major TJ "King" Kong goes "toe to toe with the Rooskies" and flies his rogue B52 nuclear bomber to a target in Russia, it's left to General "Buck" Turgidson to reassure the president. Strike first, says the general, and "you got no more than 10-20 million killed, tops". President Merkin Muffley: "I will not go down in history as the greatest mass murderer since Adolf Hitler." General Turgidson: "Perhaps it might be better, Mr President, if you were more concerned with the American people than with your image in the history books."

The genius of Stanley Kubrick's film is that it accurately represents the cold war's lunacy and dangers. Most of the characters are based on real people and real maniacs. There is no equivalent to Strangelove today because popular culture is directed almost entirely at our interior lives, as if identity is the moral zeitgeist and true satire is redundant, yet the dangers are the same. The nuclear clock has remained at five minutes to midnight; the same false flags are hoisted above the same targets by the same "invisible government", as Edward Bernays, the inventor of public relations, described modern propaganda.

In 1964, the year Dr Strangelove was made, "the missile gap" was the false flag. To build more and bigger nuclear weapons and pursue an undeclared policy of domination, President John F Kennedy approved the CIA's propaganda that the Soviet Union was well ahead of the US in the production of intercontinental ballistic missiles. This filled front pages as the "Russian threat". In fact, the Americans were so far ahead in production of the missiles, the Russians never approached them. The cold war was based largely on this lie.
Strategic nuclear missiles Cold War National Museum of the US Air Force Strategic nuclear missiles from the cold war. Photograph: Alamy

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the US has ringed Russia with military bases, nuclear warplanes and missiles as part of its Nato enlargement project. Reneging on the Reagan administration's promise to the Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 that Nato would not expand "one inch to the east", Nato has all but taken over eastern Europe. In the former Soviet Caucasus, Nato's military build-up is the most extensive since the second world war.

In February, the US mounted one of its proxy "colour" coups against the elected government of Ukraine; the shock troops were fascists. For the first time since 1945, a pro-Nazi, openly antisemitic party controls key areas of state power in a European capital. No western European leader has condemned this revival of fascism on the border of Russia. Some 30 million Russians died in the invasion of their country by Hitler's Nazis, who were supported by the infamous Ukrainian Insurgent Army (the UPA) which was responsible for numerous Jewish and Polish massacres. The Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists, of which the UPA was the military wing, inspires today's Svoboda party.

Since Washington's putsch in Kiev – and Moscow's inevitable response in Russian Crimea to protect its Black Sea fleet – the provocation and isolation of Russia have been inverted in the news to the "Russian threat". This is fossilised propaganda. The US air force general who runs Nato forces in Europe – General Philip Breedlove, no less – claimed more than two weeks ago to have pictures showing 40,000 Russian troops "massing" on the border with Ukraine. So did Colin Powell claim to have pictures proving there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. What is certain is that Barack Obama's rapacious, reckless coup in Ukraine has ignited a civil war and Vladimir Putin is being lured into a trap.

Following a 13-year rampage that began in stricken Afghanistan well after Osama bin Laden had fled, then destroyed Iraq beneath a false flag, invented a "nuclear rogue" in Iran, dispatched Libya to a Hobbesian anarchy and backed jihadists in Syria, the US finally has a new cold war to supplement its worldwide campaign of murder and terror by drone.

A Nato membership action plan – straight from the war room of Dr Strangelove – is General Breedlove's gift to the new dictatorship in Ukraine. "Rapid Trident" will put US troops on Ukraine's Russian border and "Sea Breeze" will put US warships within sight of Russian ports. At the same time, Nato war games in eastern Europe are designed to intimidate Russia. Imagine the response if this madness was reversed and happened on the US's borders. Cue General Turgidson.

And there is China. On 23 April, Obama will begin a tour of Asia to promote his "pivot" to China. The aim is to convince his "allies" in the region, principally Japan, to rearm and prepare for the possibility of war with China. By 2020, almost two-thirds of all US naval forces in the world will be transferred to the Asia-Pacific area. This is the greatest military concentration in that vast region since the second world war.

In an arc extending from Australia to Japan, China will face US missiles and nuclear-armed bombers. A strategic naval base is being built on the Korean island of Jeju, less than 400 miles from Shanghai and the industrial heartland of the only country whose economic power is likely to surpass that of the US. Obama's "pivot" is designed to undermine China's influence in its region. It is as if a world war has begun by other means.

This is not a Dr Strangelove fantasy. Obama's defence secretary, Charles "Chuck" Hagel, was in Beijing last week to deliver a warning that China, like Russia, could face isolation and war if it did not bow to US demands. He compared the annexation of Crimea to China's complex territorial dispute with Japan over uninhabited islands in the East China Sea. "You cannot go around the world," said Hagel with a straight face, "and violate the sovereignty of nations by force, coercion or intimidation." As for America's massive movement of naval forces and nuclear weapons to Asia, that is "a sign of the humanitarian assistance the US military can provide".

Obama is seeking a bigger budget for nuclear weapons than the historical peak during the cold war, the era of Dr Strangelove. The US is pursuing its longstanding ambition to dominate the Eurasian landmass, stretching from China to Europe: a "manifest destiny" made right by might.

India has to be exceptionally careful NOT to get entrapped into the Yanqui and O'Bomber's strategy of turning us into a vassal state of the Anglo-American Atlanticist axis of evil against China and Russia.In fact,if China eases up on its aggro with India in the Himalayas,and freezes all border disputes for a century,the synergy between India,China and Russia,who should be thanks to geography ,the dominating nations of the Eurasian landmass,could come together and evolve an Asian security framework that resists the "divide and rule" conquistador mantra of the machiavellian men of NATO.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Apr 2014 05:15

Obliged to Vivek Rao in the Gen. td. for this jewel exposing the true nature of US foreign policy,targeting India.

Obama quietly reverses Hillary’s ‘get Modi’ policy

Quote:
Barack Obama has quietly reversed a policy initiated by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to "get Narendra Modi" — ostensibly for the 2002 Gujarat riots, but in actuality "for taking stands that may be different from that favoured by the US administration" — in the words of a senior analyst in New York.

"Hillary Clinton likes to operate through NGOs, which are given funding through indirect channels, and which target individuals and countries seen as less than respectful to her views on foreign and domestic policy in the target countries," a retired US official now based in Atlanta said. He claimed that "rather than US NGOs, (the former) Secretary of State Clinton favoured operating through organisations based in the Netherlands, Denmark and the Scandinavian countries, especially Norway" as these were outside the radar of big power politics. These NGOs were active in the agitation against the Russian nuclear power plant at Kudankulam in Tamil Nadu, with "funding coming mainly from a religious organisation based in Europe that has close links with France".

Incidentally, French companies are in direct competition with Russian rivals in seeking to expand the market for nuclear reactors in India. The senior official, now on a visit to India, claimed that "your (i.e. the Manmohan Singh) government has full details of the religious organisation involved in funding the Kudankulam protests, but is keeping this secret as the organisation has high-level backers" in the UPA.

These present and retired officials claimed that "during the tenure in office of Secretary Clinton, several expert teams in the guise of NGOs were sent to Gujarat to try and find mass graves". The purpose was to then take the matter to the Office of the UN Commissioner of Human Rights in Geneva as an example of genocide. "In 2011, some bones were discovered in a Gujarat field by one of the search teams and there was much excitement, but these were later found to be buffalo bones", an official said. The official added that "no evidence whatsoever of mass graves was uncovered in Gujarat despite six years of clandestine searching for them" by undercover experts posing as representatives of NGOs. He added that "five politicians, three from the state and two in Delhi, assisted the search teams, but the information given by them proved unproductive".

Finally, "now that Secretary Clinton had stepped down from office, by end-2012 orders were given to stop wasting time on the search for mass graves in Gujarat, much to the dismay of those NGOs who were getting significant funding as a consequence of the search operations". Interestingly, the senior official claimed that because of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's inability to water down the Nuclear Liability Act and Defence Minister A.K. Antony's decision to prefer the French Rafale fighter to its US rival, "orders were given to activate the Khalistan file so as to create embarrassment for Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh".

Another official, now retired, claimed that "since 2011, several search teams have been active in Punjab, seeking human remains in suspected mass graves". According to them, "key politicians in Punjab have assisted these search teams and on occasion even provided logistical facilities for them".

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 20 Apr 2014 06:36

^^^
link please?

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 20 Apr 2014 07:18

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/obama-quietly-reverses-hillarys-get-modi-policy#.U1LL9E0B8F8.twitter

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 20 Apr 2014 19:59

how come there is no discussion on massa asking for "understanding" in the face of mounting IT probe? There is an important article in HT.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Apr 2014 20:02

^^^^^^^
link???

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 20 Apr 2014 20:03

US embassy faces I-T inquiry, urges 'understanding'

An income tax inquiry now threatens the delicately poised Indo-US relationship, highly-placed government sources have told HT. The ministry of external affairs (MEA) has conveyed the inquiry details to the US embassy. Coming close on the heels of the spat involving diplomat Devyani Khobragade, rattled American diplomats are now urging India to arrive at ''an understanding.''

Despite reminders from the MEA, the US embassy, is yet to provide details of how many teachers are employed at the American Embassy School in violation of visa and tax laws.

The inquiry into what officials believe could be 'a multi-crore tax evasion' saw the issue being raised by assistant secretary of state, Nisha Biswal, during her first visit to India, earlier this month. Confirming the information, MEA Spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin told HT, "These issues were raised before the assistant secretary of state. We intend to address them through the mechanism of a working group."

Soon after Khobragade's arrest and strip search last December, MEA had sought detailed information on how many teachers were employed at the school, their salaries and bank account details. When asked for a comment on the probe, a US embassy spokesperson said, "We continue to engage in discussions with our Indian counterparts on all issues that have been raised through appropriate diplomatic channels."

In a major embarrassment for the embassy, the New York Times had published an article in January, establishing that the teachers were in violation of Indian tax laws, because they were advised in a circulated handout to wrongly represent themselves as housewives. Quoting from the handout, NYT had said, "we usually have the male spouse apply for the 'employment' visa and the female spouse be noted as 'housewife' on the visa application."

Facing the income tax heat, the US now wants to settle the issue through a broader understanding that, government sources say, would be accommodative of India's concerns. The US is caught on the wrong foot because the school has violated the 1973 agreement according to which India had granted tax exemption status to only 16 teachers.

While sources said it was too early to say if a deal could be worked out, India is keen on settling two issues to avoid a repeat of the Khobragade affair. For one, it wants to settle the privileges and immunities of its consulate staff, which are currently not at par with diplomats. Secondly, India wants domestics employed by diplomats in US to be subjected to Indian law, were another dispute to arise, as it did in the case of Khobragade and her domestic help, Sangeeta Richards.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Apr 2014 20:29

svenkat wrote:http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/obama-quietly-reverses-hillarys-get-modi-policy#.U1LL9E0B8F8.twitter

Looks like all types of scams have been operating. But I am supportive of the riots scams, since it extracts money from foreigners rather than Indians.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Apr 2014 21:31

While sources said it was too early to say if a deal could be worked out, India is keen on settling two issues to avoid a repeat of the Khobragade affair. For one, it wants to settle the privileges and immunities of its consulate staff, which are currently not at par with diplomats. Secondly, India wants domestics employed by diplomats in US to be subjected to Indian law, were another dispute to arise, as it did in the case of Khobragade and her domestic help, Sangeeta Richards.

I think other "Injuns" have tried this sort of "let bygones b bygones" Treaties with various Departments of the GOTUS b4. You can find reminders of the results in the various Museums.

Indian consular/embassay ophisials need to figure out how to live without causing embarassment all round. Get rid of their Nannies and Chaprassis, hire competent people, pay wages and benefits, and be aware of the law, and of the fact that the "host country" is out to get them, officially or otherwise, all the grins and handshakes and hugs are just preludes to cavity searches.

The notion of GOI patiently waiting for 5 months for "details" of tax-dodgers, and then trying to "work out accommodations" all speak of a weak, corrupt bunch of sniveling (never mind).

IOW, the babus want to work out a back-room "deal", selling out the nation.
The only appropriate tack here is to Let The Chips Fall Where They May, Let The Law Take Its Course, etc.

Here are some "accommodations" that the US govt makes for tax-dodgers:
1. Luxury Life-Time Accommodations

2. Glorious Plaques Commemorating Sojourns By Foreigners

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 20 Apr 2014 21:37

Maybe this is the deaath by a thousand meetings with the US now having to temper down as the screws are slwoly being tightened. Babudom can take revenge slowly

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Apr 2014 22:22

They need to force the pace, unless Delay Accumulates Interest, Penalties and Fines, as IRS Form 1040 and all its brethren say.

While the Chankians have 1,700,000 years of experience in Chalta Hai and babucracy and All Is Maya, Those hu Speak in Forked Tongue have 500+ years experience in "deals" and "legal fine print". In fact I believe the Printing Press was invented by the CIA, mainly to print Treaties in Quintuplate with font 3 print. .

See how it works:

Back in December when the Tax Scam came out, there was no apparent spat between GOI and GOTUS except for Nannygate. Now inside 4 months, there's Nannygate (still no sign of backing down there..), Pharmagate, NukeGate, TradeGate, CellphoneGate, ModiGate, u name it. So many NEW bargaining chips for Forked Tongue..

So a few Gates need to be Made in India and require a bit of attention on the other side, to convey any seriousness.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Apr 2014 23:40

From a lurker.

Please read carefully. Correlate with what I sent on the Berkeley Hass School project on Riots In India, where Angana Chatterji, Teesta Setalwad, Harsh Mander and other commie-pakis have been hired.

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/oba ... F8.twitter

""during the tenure in office of Secretary Clinton, several expert teams in the guise of NGOs were sent to Gujarat to try and find mass graves". The purpose was to then take the matter to the Office of the UN Commissioner of Human Rights in Geneva as an example of genocide. "In 2011, some bones were discovered in a Gujarat field by one of the search teams and there was much excitement, but these were later found to be buffalo bones", an official said. The official added that "no evidence whatsoever of mass graves was uncovered in Gujarat despite six years of clandestine searching for them" by undercover experts posing as representatives of NGOs. He added that "five politicians, three from the state and two in Delhi, assisted the search teams, but the information given by them proved unproductive".

"now that Secretary Clinton had stepped down from office, by end-2012 orders were given to stop wasting time on the search for mass graves in Gujarat, much to the dismay of those NGOs who were getting significant funding as a consequence of the search operations". Interestingly, the senior official claimed that because of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's inability to water down the Nuclear Liability Act and Defence Minister A.K. Antony's decision to prefer the French Rafale fighter to its US rival, "orders were given to activate the Khalistan file so as to create embarrassment for Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh".

Another official, now retired, claimed that "since 2011, several search teams have been active in Punjab, seeking human remains in suspected mass graves". According to them, "key politicians in Punjab have assisted these search teams and on occasion even provided logistical facilities for them".

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The Berkelistan scam is training a Fifth Column of desis to go around with secret cameras, recorders etc., trained to plant, fabricate, and "record" "evidence" since they can't find any, any other way. Suddenly it all fits:
1. The UN Rights Panel route to "get" Indian leaders
2. The Search For Graves - Angana in Jammu-Kashmir, unnnamed hordes in Gujarat, now starting in Punjab..
3. NGO links.
4. Federal lab (LBNL) blessing for an LBNL employee (and ASHA honcho) Buluswar to be the PI.
5. Ability to penetrate a respected BUSINESS SCHOOL with this stuff.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Apr 2014 01:35

NYT, Left-Liberals in US all are complicit in creating a new enemy in Hindu India.

The coterie of Doniger, Martha Nussbaum all demonize Hindus and want to transfer the Nazi guilt of racial superiority on to India for the British Aryan Invasion heory because at the bottom of Nazi theory is the Bible.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Apr 2014 02:22

That story, I note, comes from Madhav Nalapat. Very authoritative, in that when he says XYZ told him so, yes, I believe him, he does get around and he does meet exactly those sorts of ppl who know what goes on. Very scary that the rot in the SD starts not at the second level, but right at the top.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Apr 2014 02:51

Maybe should call Teesta and her ilk, Zombies for their graveyard searches?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Apr 2014 03:22

Should not coming Modi Government be asking the name list of these guys as sign of goodwill?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 21 Apr 2014 06:13

How Obama lost friends and influence in the Brics

Edward Luce April 20, 2014 7:01 pm

The president’s real pivot is not to Asia but to America, inspired by domestic sentiment
When Barack Obama took office, he pledged a new overture to the world’s emerging powers. Today each of the Brics – Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa – is at loggerheads with America, or worse. Last month four of the five abstained in a UN vote condemning the fifth’s annexation of Crimea. Next month India is likely to elect as its new leader Narendra Modi, who says he has “no interest in visiting America other than to attend the UN in New York”. As the world’s largest democracy, and America’s most natural ally among the emerging powers, India’s is a troubling weathervane. How on earth did Mr Obama lose the Brics?

Some of it was unavoidable. Early in his first term Mr Obama called for a “reset” of US relations with Russia. His overture was warmly received by Dmitry Medvedev, then Russia’s president, who was considerably less anti-western than his predecessor, Vladimir Putin. Unfortunately for Mr Obama, Ukraine, Pussy Riot and many others, Mr Putin repossessed the presidency. The US president can hardly be blamed for that. Things have gone downhill since then.

The trajectory of US relations with China has also been in the wrong direction. Within his first year in office, Mr Obama made his much-feted “G2” visit to China, in which he offered Beijing a global partnership to solve the world’s big problems, from climate change to financial imbalances. Alas, the Chinese did not feel ready to tackle problems on a global level that they were still struggling with at home. Mr Obama was rudely spurned by his hosts.

The following year he replaced his G2 charm offensive with a rhetorical “pivot to Asia”. Washington presented it as a long overdue rebalancing to a rising Asia Pacific region but it was seen by Beijing – with some justification – as a thinly veiled US attempt to shore up its military alliances with China’s neighbours.

This week Mr Obama will visit Japan, South Korea, the Philippines and Malaysia – the first three of which are treaty allies of the US. It is his first visit to Asia in two years. China is not on the itinerary. Meanwhile, the anti-US rhetoric coming from Beijing is the toughest in years.

The fallout with Brazil is more specific. Mr Obama made a big play in 2009 to woo the main Latin American countries – even attending the summit of the Organisation of American States in Trinidad. But relations with Brazil took a nosedive after Edward Snowden’s leaks about the National Security Agency last year. Dilma Rousseff, Brazil’s president, cancelled a state visit to Washington last October in protest at US spying. It did not help that Mr Obama promised only Americans – but not foreigners – that the NSA was not tapping them. US-Brazil relations are now in a deep freeze.

The same is true of India – again, a far cry from Mr Obama’s warm opening act with Manmohan Singh, India’s outgoing prime minister. Mr Singh, whom Mr Obama once described as his “guru”, was given Mr Obama’s first state dinner at the White House in 2009. That goodwill has evaporated. Last month Nancy Powell, the US ambassador to India, resigned, having been treated virtually as a persona non grata in New Delhi since she took the job. It remains to be seen what the Modi effect will be. The fact that he is still denied a visa to visit the US – stemming from the gruesome 2002 anti-Muslim pogrom – would obviously need to be fixed.

Among the Brics only South Africa has what could be described as normal relations with the US. But even here, they are hardly close. If South Africa had spent half as much time wooing the US as it did lobbying to join the Bric club (and thereby adding the S to the acronym), things might be different. Nobody batted an eyelid when it joined the rest in refusing to censor Russia over Crimea.

Each of these deteriorating relationships has specific narratives. But there are two larger themes linking them together. First, the world is adjusting to declining US power. America retains by far the world’s largest military force. But it gets a little less so each year. China’s defence budget continues to grow by double digits while that of the US is falling in real terms. The US miscalculated badly in its 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Mr Obama’s latest defence budget would preclude another Iraq-style invasion. That, of course, is a good thing. But other observers, including those who are beginning to resist American power around the world, are adjusting their behaviour. They see a US that is increasingly unwilling to project global force – except using remote control. Meanwhile, the Brics’ economic growth rates are slowing. But they are still growing faster than the US, and are likely to continue to do so. The economic centre of gravity will continue to shift their way.

Second, the US public is tiring of its country’s global responsibilities.
Mr Obama’s real pivot is not to Asia but to America. In this he is only taking his cue from domestic sentiment. Yet his pivot to home is not going too well either. As Lawrence Summers, the former US Treasury secretary, recently observed, the US has two parties, one of which, the Democrats, refuses to endorse any kind of trade deal; the other of which, the Republicans, appears to detest all international institutions. Neither of the two parties listens to what Mr Obama wants. If you believe the television ratings, the US public long ago tuned out from what he says.

Little surprise, then, that the Brics are getting into the habit of talking among themselves.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Apr 2014 07:37

Surprised that he didn't mention the biggest news of all: the total anmauling that the BO SD has received.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 21 Apr 2014 07:38

ramana wrote:From a lurker.

Please read carefully. Correlate with what I sent on the Berkeley Hass School project on Riots In India, where Angana Chatterji, Teesta Setalwad, Harsh Mander and other commie-pakis have been hired.

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by undercover experts posing as representatives of NGOs. He added that "five politicians, three from the state and two in Delhi, assisted the search teams, but the information given by them proved unproductive".

Is their a separate thread to keep a list of these esteemed scholars, NGOs, and other distinguished organizations out there to get Indics? Nice to keep these names handy, follow them; wherever they go. Unless I make notes, I'm sure to forget them deep in posts.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 21 Apr 2014 09:47

http://www.niticentral.com/2014/04/18/a ... 13357.html

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Apr 2014 10:01

ramana wrote:NYT, Left-Liberals in US all are complicit in creating a new enemy in Hindu India.

The coterie of Doniger, Martha Nussbaum all demonize Hindus and want to transfer the Nazi guilt of racial superiority on to India for the British Aryan Invasion heory because at the bottom of Nazi theory is the Bible.

ramana garu, you went straight to the heart of the matter once again which clarifies my thinking to an extent. 100 mistakes are over and time has come to perform shishupala vadha. We are close to the time when Sudarshana chakra is going to be unleashed.

Added after Tibetans post: I am speaking figuratively onlee. No physical harm but this should be end of their political life.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 21 Apr 2014 12:17

Now that the "tooth has outed",with the inside story of the machinations of the mendicant of snake oil,who has been exposed as a sly slithering creature,not a poor innocent serf and loyal lackey of the Roman empress,but a cunning,conniving,calculating,creep,contemptible cockroach of the dark arts,who was fully involved in the criminal activities of the UPA-2,the arch-conspirator who organised the scams on behalf of his mafia empress and corrupt colleagues,with his vast experience of being an IMF babu and former Finance Minister,well knowing the by-lanes and dark alleys of corrupt practices where dark deeds are executed.How snake-oil Singh also served the interests of his Yanqui masters is well explained here.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/opinion ... 177974.ece
The Real Manmohan Singh Story is Affirmed;Now We Need the Real Sonia Gandhi Story
By T J S George
Published: 20th April 2014

It is easy to say that two new books have “betrayed” Manmohan Singh. Sanjaya Baru was a confidant of the Prime Minister while P C Parakh was coal ministry secretary when the coal scam scarred the country. But their books are not political exercises. They are recordings of information by professionals who found themselves witnesses to action. Books by such insiders—one by former Comptroller & Auditor General Vinod Rai is eagerly awaited—are the stuff of history and would be so hailed by civilised society.

Baru’s pages are essentially empathetic. He cites chapter and verse to show how Sonia Gandhi often usurped the powers of the Prime Minister. Parakh shows how passivity can also be culpability at times. Overall, we can see that Manmohan Singh was not always a passive puppet in the hands of a scheming Sonia Gandhi. He could be quite scheming himself when an issue dear to his heart came up. The passing of the US nuclear treaty is the most quoted example. Almost all parties, including sections of his own, were against it, but the Prime Minister stuck to his guns and had his way. So did he with FDI in retail which was, and still is, opposed by most states. He used craftiness, guile and every ounce of power at his disposal to push these measures through. Recent reports suggest that it was Manmohan Singh’s willpower that allowed field trial of GM (genetically modified) crops in defiance of prevalent government policy, public opinion, experts’ advice and even the legal rub of the matter being before the Supreme Court. It cannot be an accident that all three subjects are America’s core policy priorities in India.

America wants US equipment suppliers to be not accountable if something goes wrong with a nuclear installation (like Union Carbide refused to be accountable for the Bhopal gas disaster). FDI in retail is unacceptable to many for fear that foreign monopolies will disrupt India’s grassroot economics. GM crops trials have come to mean domination by companies like Monsanto. Seeds technologies developed by India’s own agricultural research institutes are ignored. Manmohan Singh chose to dismiss the warnings of molecular scientist Pushpa Bhargava who told him in 2008 that “India would cease to be a free country if its agriculture is brought under the control of foreign multinational companies”. This is a powerful Prime Minister who knows how to get what he wants if he wants it badly enough.

So, how come he did not want to fight corruption badly enough? The biggest scams in the history of India unfolded under his nose, but he didn’t seem to care. Even when the economy took a nosedive, the great economist in him didn’t seem to care. Did he ignore corruption because the highest in the land were neck-deep in it? Was he under pressure from family and friends to keep the chair for the trappings that went with it? The questions that rose around Manmohan Singh wrecked his reputation.

Baru and Parakh have merely provided confirmatory details of what was public knowledge. Parakh said, for example, that Manmohan Singh was in favour of auctioning coal blocks, but didn’t care when “junior coal ministers” Shibu Soren and Dasari Narayan Rao overruled him. Similarly Baru explains how the PM lost his importance when the PMO was stuffed by Sonia Gandhi’s flatterers—M K Narayanan who kept friend and foe in line by announcing “I have a file on you”, and Pulok Chatterjee to whom India was the same as the Gandhis.

What is needed, for India’s sake, is a factual, professionally written insider view on Sonia Gandhi’s handling of power, how she turned India into her private fiefdom, how great leaders became her courtiers. No political aide is man enough to do it, and she is not woman enough to let an independent person do it—like V S Naipaul let Patrick French do his “authorised” biography, though he didn’t approve of the book in the end. But we shall not lose heart. That book will one day be written. India has a way of prevailing.

This beggars the question.Should there be an inquiry into Snake-oil Singh's anti-national activities post elections along with the inquiries into UPA-2 corruption,RSVP et al?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Apr 2014 17:40

http://www.whoisaap.com/aap-connections ... 1US1PldWSo

AAp connection

saip · Post by **saip** » 21 Apr 2014 19:21

When Modi becomes the PM, I am sure there will a committee of inquiry except by then there may be no one to inquire into as I expect most of the main characters will have fled the country.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Apr 2014 19:36

I would request postors to be careful about wishes expressed.
The experience of the students at Lousiana State U who posted a very factual Petition in 2003 is very relevant. They neglected to ensure that all comments had to be moderated b4 they appeared. Someone posted comments like some of those above... WITHIN 30 MINUTES the Emory PR department had called the FBI alleging "terroristic death threats".

That was how they got the Petition taken off the 'Net, which was the purpose, because it had gone over 50,000 signatures in a week.

Mods: pls do the needful.
Also, this is the reason why preparing Lists on a public forum is a terrible idea. I think what one writes should be stored, and taken out and published later saying: Here is what XYZ said. This is important, for instance, to remind certain Experts about their past Expert Comments.

Beyond that, any List can be (mis?) interpreted as harassing/threatening someone for expressing their honest lifafa opinions.

U can be sure that even a whiff of any "inquiry commission/committee" will immediately blow up in the face of whoever suggests it, in India. In the US it would be equated to the notorious McCarthy Commitees.

OTOH, the NRA and the T-Party do brag of such lists. They are rightfully (no pun intended) considered to be nutcases.

Added later: Thx 4 standing under.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 21 Apr 2014 23:46

UBji,

FBI also has its most wanted list so does a lot of other organizations and in many cases the reason why they are on that list (proof) is usually public.

I do not think physical harm is necessary in any one of these cases, even though they all would have willed physical harm on Indians without blinking an eyelid. However these people have committed treachery and they should be punished according to the law of the land. What we need to do is to dig out the proof and make it public. Dont need to touch them either ways. What is the harm in that?

Edit: The Indian part of this Breaking-Bharat Ecosystem has committed nothing short of treason.

Trying to find mass graves undercover is a massive undertaking and a lot of Indians would be involved in it. Intelligence goldmine if you ask me.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Apr 2014 00:17

What kind of a paper is Sunday Guardian? Is it reputed or one of those tabloids UK is famous for? Any other reports about the mission to find mass graves?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Apr 2014 01:04

Its a paper started by MJ Akbar after he was forced out of Asian Age and Deccan Chronicle. It has nothing to do with the UK paper I think.

Keeping lists is for Madam Defarge type of individuals.
Three letter orgs have their public lists.
Private list makers could be targetted to make example.

UBji is reminding it only.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 22 Apr 2014 01:09

OK, got it

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Apr 2014 04:15

Any other reports about the mission to find mass graves?

No secret there:it's just that this newspaper article about the HC/SD official sponsorship exposed the commie-paki-EJ-uscirf-sd circle.

Berkelistan connection is much more scary. As The Lurker is said to have conveyed to ramana, see the Berkelistan websitefor the confirmation about the 5th Column.

Engagement: The Working Group will engage with affected communities, and periodically engage with members of the Government of India and the Parliament of India.

Opportunities for ~~Traitors~~ Students: The project is engaging exceptional graduate students and select undergraduate students from UC Berkeley, Stanford University, and other institutions, as well as from various impacted communities in India and the Indian Diaspora in the U.S. The project will also engage age-appropriate youth from affected communities in the work of creating archives, experimenting with photography and videography, and documenting remembrance.

Similar to the "Youth" being "engaged" by other such altruistic organizations and charitable organizations

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Apr 2014 04:19

Yeah told my kids to not bother going there. Its now a madrassa.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 22 Apr 2014 05:01

Any Indian organization, i.e. of the non SAJA/FOIL variety, directly in contact with them?

Like..... asked them what all these news report and website articles actually mean? Any response will be on record right and people can guess what's going on?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Apr 2014 07:19

The details of what these civil society eggsperts are doing are very sparse in addition to being vague. A group like that must be costing a couple million a year not such a big deal but the funding must be coming from somewhere. Of course unrestricted funding projects have just may a half page prosaic fro the pi and that's it. Number of oapers published and other back scratching will geT them the funding as opposed to what people gave to go throug in the industry.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 22 Apr 2014 07:25

Either being funded by INC or USG. First is a possibility since the list of "conflicts" on their website only includes those in states ruled by parties opposed to INC.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Apr 2014 10:18

Sometime I wonder whether these people have a conscience? May be they do really believe inthis jack shiaate after bidding goodbye to jack.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 22 Apr 2014 10:31

I did a quick search and saw that there is no equivalent high-power "Indian deep research initiative" in the Social Impact/PubAd departments of other major B-Schools. Of course Harvard Kennedy School and other schools directly concerned with Government and Society have similar research wings and a number of students working on thesis/doctorates in such topics. A HKS Grad chaddi-buddy commie belches this stuff day in and day out in his FB page.
But why a top-10 B-School like Haas? Berkeley always had the liberal douche-bag hippie tag (as Cartman would say

) but why has it filtered into the fu(king "capitalist nest" Haas school? Why not Berkeley Goldman School or the Berkeley Institute of Government Studies? Like, did major corporate houses fund this study to understand how to deal with such impediments that could impact investing and business in India?

IIRC we had at least one member from Haas. You there, banker-shaayar?

Any insider Alumni info?