Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 25 Apr 2014 23:18

Rahul M wrote:6 months.

but I think Supratik ji confused between CEA (chief economic advisor which has had people like Kaushik Basu in recent past) and FM.
the bhagwati article talks of Panagariya for CEA, not FM.

That's correct.

James B · Post by **James B** » 25 Apr 2014 23:20

As we proceed further, more & more young voters with aspirations & without the baggage of caste/creed etc will enter the electorate and the Congress will get rejected & BJP has a very good chance to tap into this as its own vote bank by focusing on development, infrastructure & jobs. That's exactly what is happening in 2014 elections - young voters tilting the results in favour of BJP/NDA. It will be even more in future elections. BJP has care for and nurture this constituency with utmost care.

James B · Post by **James B** » 25 Apr 2014 23:20

SaiK wrote:AJ?

Arun Jaitley in Amritsar. That would be sad.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Apr 2014 23:32

Aj losing might make him more realistic and not probe d4 deal cutting with congis.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Apr 2014 23:37

mmm.. you nailed it singha. d4 could be in accidental-nexus as well.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 25 Apr 2014 23:40

^^PG comes with a lot of baggage that BJP can exploit. According to SS, PG and RG are "booze and buddhu". He must know something. Also, Vadra will continue to be an "albatross around her neck".

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Apr 2014 23:44

if not arrests and jails, we need him revert back the spoils before it leaves the land.

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 26 Apr 2014 00:05

Suraj wrote:KLPD: Kerala also has among the lowest fertility rates (well below replacement at 1.7) and the highest life expectancy (OECD-standard level of 75 a decade ago, 10 years more than national average at the time). The demographic chart for Kerala is thus a bottom-heavy pear and not a top-heavy one like, say UP.

Higher life expectancy, also fertility (though PB, HP, WB, TN, and probably GA have lower fertility rates than KL), are certainly in play. I still think emigration is the most important effect. I estimate that more than 10% of KL-born population lives in the Gelf, and probably another 5% emigrate to other states in India. The emigrants are overwhelmingly in the "youth" bracket in all likelihood.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 26 Apr 2014 00:06

James B wrote:As we proceed further, more & more young voters with aspirations & without the baggage of caste/creed etc will enter the electorate and the Congress will get rejected & BJP has a very good chance to tap into this as its own vote bank by focusing on development, infrastructure & jobs. That's exactly what is happening in 2014 elections - young voters tilting the results in favour of BJP/NDA. It will be even more in future elections. BJP has care for and nurture this constituency with utmost care.

Correct. This demographic dividend is also BJP's NaMographic dividend

Iff NaMo comes to power, with a breakdown in voting along caste lines in favor of unified voting favoring an individual, it will be because of this block of voters. Though fertility rates are falling, this block will continue to grow at least for another decade, before tapering off.

This voting group is significant, not just in paper numbers, but in their willingness to vote, which makes them likely to exceed 50% of countrywide voteshare. They want jobs and socio-economic mobility that they see in front of them but for a very large part of that demographic, is just beyond their reach.

The older bloc of BhaJaPa supporters are keener cultural revivalists, having lived longer and seen the longer term issues at greater length. The younger demographic by and large, have not. They are unlikely to 'get it' quickly either. That's not their fault - they are being absolutely rational in seeking their primary desires of economic security and upward mobility first. They should not be blamed for not seeing the big picture. They're young and focussing on what matters to them and the BJP's political fortune lies in providing it to them.

That is why, as I've stated, the BJP must focus on satisfying their concerns first, if they're elected. That's not to suggest they should ignore everything to do with their cultural revivalist agenda. I support their acting on two items at the earliest - a) no government control of temples or temple finances and b) auditing and taxation of all inward religious money. If the money coming in to build a factory faces scrutiny, so will money coming in to build a mosque or church. But otherwise I hope GoI focusses on economy, and specifically on job creation, executing projects and building infrastructure.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Apr 2014 00:12

harbans wrote:Folks hearing some people saying "Don't judge Modi by 2002 riots" more to him than what happened there, including Swapan. I'm countering that condescension saying: Do Judge Modi by 2002 riots: To stop killings Guj State Cops shot more rioters dead in these riots than any known riot in Indias' history. And most shot dead were Hindu rioters.

Sorry but Modi's Hindutvavadi fans may not really feel proud about this! Sure Raj Dharma may have compelled Modi to take such drastic measures, but these are points to impress on a secular crowd, who don't want to be impressed anyway!

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 26 Apr 2014 00:12

Kati wrote:BRF-ites need to come up with a contingency plan to write letters, counter-letters, especially to 'furin' media once NaMo comes to power. The desi intellectuals, who are western choir boys and gals, will be unleashed against NaMo to trip him every step of the way......
...my humble 2 paise....

I have written to Cameron and milliband to keep their media dogs on the leash. It was after being inspired by reading Bji's post on the academics in briturdustan writing in in dependant newspaper.

They claim he responds to all emails. Let us see.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 26 Apr 2014 00:27

I watched only a few minutes of NaMos speech for AJ in Amritsar. The crowd was very lukewarm, couldn't connect. NaMo throat soreness continues. I guess Punjab and Kerala are the two states unaffected by wave. And AJ could well be in serious trouble. Maybe these people will vote for a Joker like Sidhu more readily.

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 26 Apr 2014 01:22

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/gallery/na ... tml#photo1

Narendra Modi holding a rifle while on a trip to Mount Kailash in 1985

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Apr 2014 01:26

Loved the pic. But Kailash is in Tibet and cheen would not give lee Enfield rifles.
must be on indian side but why would army or itbp just give rifles?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 26 Apr 2014 01:31

Narendra Modi ‏@narendramodi 3h
I have known Jaitley ji since his student days. His intellect, integrity & commitment to progress make him a gem of a person in public life.

munna · Post by **munna** » 26 Apr 2014 02:11

Saral wrote:. I guess Punjab and Kerala are the two states unaffected by wave. And AJ could well be in serious trouble. Maybe these people will vote for a Joker like Sidhu more readily.

Enough of this character assassination! Why and who said that Sidhu is a joker? Some stupid msm media plants by D4? Or the well funded and oiled regional media machinery of the rogue ally. Sane people from the ground have been advising against allowing Delhi based folks like AJ from calling shots in Punjab. By allowing free hand to daddy-son combine the final joke is on BJP and not Sidhu. AJ has propped the most spineless Punjab BJP leadership ever and these brainless dodos are serving their master by putting him in a tough spot. The amount of cognitive dissonance of some BRF denizens is really funny in this case. Brf was ahead of the curve on this topic and that is it.

James B · Post by **James B** » 26 Apr 2014 02:13

AJ is in trouble because of anti-incumbency against Akalis. Punjab is facing a big problem of drug menace & it seems Majithia (BIL of Sukhbir Singh Badal) is involved. Only hope for AJ is en masse votes of rural amritsar (votebank of Akalis) & apathy of Urban Amritsar voters or split of Urban votes. Otherwise AJ is a gone case.

If AJ was part of D4 then Congress wouldn't have made a strong candidate like Capt. Amrinder Singh to contest against AJ.

satya · Post by **satya** » 26 Apr 2014 02:14

Saral wrote:I watched only a few minutes of NaMos speech for AJ in Amritsar. The crowd was very lukewarm, couldn't connect. NaMo throat soreness continues. I guess Punjab and Kerala are the two states unaffected by wave. And AJ could well be in serious trouble. Maybe these people will vote for a Joker like Sidhu more readily.

Saral

Panjab's politics for quite some time is : 1) A Jat vs Jat affair .SAD & state congress leadership was & is & for near -medium term future is Jat dominated. When two jats fight: its ego clash nothing else.

2) Perennial sulking punjabi-hindu voters ( in times before election they are BJP leaning but always anti-jat ) , someone from BJP /Sanghi need to talk to them otherwise they will simply not vote . Very low chance of them going with Congress in substantial atleast ones with Sangh roots .

3) Derras ( sort of math type institutions ) : most of these Derra heads settle for money & some posting for their followers . Most fall in line thanks to fear of Akal Takht .

4) Phone calls from Canada & US : massive immigrant lobby . Substantial portion of Punjab's economy is : western union ( hawala included) + bank fix deposits +winter tourism by their immigrant population from rest of world that drives their real estate + marriage halls + everything else one can imagine + fly by night immigrant agents & oh yes agriculture for whatever is left after massive use of chemical fertilizers & some industries left over from 80s era nothing worth mentioning.

5) substantial SCs among sikhs : big time heart burn against Jat sikhs due to genuine & not so genuine reasons but both parties are dominated by Jats be it SAD or Congress .

Crowd would have cheered if NaMoji had talked about getting illegals getting legalised in EU & US , i guess

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Apr 2014 02:17

This picture captures a controversial moment during Modi's three-day fast in 2011 which was a part of Sadbhavna Yatra, where he refused to wear the skull cap offered by Imam Sahi Sayeed Mehndi Husain. It drew a huge flak from Muslim community and they asked for an apology from Modi for disrespecting their sentiments.

munna · Post by **munna** » 26 Apr 2014 02:19

James wrote:
If AJ was part of D4 then Congress wouldn't have made a strong candidate like Capt. Amrinder Singh to contest against AJ.

INC fielded Captain only after they smelt blood. They are fighting a rearguard battle nationally and under the circumstances D4 et al are kosher too. Amritsar was Sidhu's to win, AJ is a POOR candidate and all Modi/dharmics should be honest enough to acknowledge the mistake in Punjab. By the way who was responsible for silencing the Punjab BJP leaders who boldly questioned and challenged daddy son combine? Things went really downhill ever since Delhi BJP ordered krystallnacht against all Pb BJP leaders who tried to check the unbridled the ally.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 26 Apr 2014 02:20

No cognitive dissonance here. Just plain lack of awareness of the subtleties of Punjab BJP politics. Even if what you said is true, isn't Sidhu still a non-performing MP? http://www.prsindia.org/mptrack/navjotsinghsidhu So what you are saying is that someone else should've been the Amritsar candidate for BJP? I saw satya's post and understand the mess that is Punjab (sort of like Kerala, propped up by NRIs from Canada and UK??) Seems that Punjabis are likely the most deracinated folks out there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Punjab,_India indicates that the infrastructure is superb but likely the talented, more entrepreneurial punjabis leave to work elsewhere in India (and of course, Canada/UK, I saw more safed-dadi Sardars in Surrey, BC than any other place outside Punjab.. They come after retirement and sponge off the social benefits.. sweet deal.. And make those winter trips to the motherland and make merry). Maybe the Khalistani Terror dampened the dynamism in the state.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Apr 2014 02:22

RajeshA, The skull cap is for prayer ceremony. Are those offering the cap suggesting that Modi's fast is a prayer ceremony in conformance with Koran and Hadiths?

munna · Post by **munna** » 26 Apr 2014 02:31

Saral wrote:No cognitive dissonance here. Just plain lack of awareness of the subtleties of Punjab BJP politics. Even if what you said is true, isn't Sidhu still a non-performing MP?

Sidhu has two positive points 1) He is perceived as THE Sikh face of BJP, by sidelining him for an outsider BJP sent the worst message possible 2) Regarding his performance there is unanimity amongst general populace that all his work and agenda was sabotaged by state government at behest of someone powerful.
He had the legs to run rings around captain but alas! Secondly in order to humour daddy son combine all strong Hindu leaders of Punjab BJP have been shunted to margins thus affecting urban vote big way. A lot of myths are being quoted about Punjab's Hindu voters in this thread, traditionally INC attracts SC vote and SAD Panthic Jat vote, urban vote is often the tie breaker for both groupings, BJP in Punjab is currently running on hope and prayer. Khanna may win Gurdaspur, other two seats are in dicey zone.

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 26 Apr 2014 02:34

How about a reciprocity? Every Muslim who wants to offer a cap to NaMo will be offered tilak and akshat by NaMo. let them wear the tilak and accept the akshat first and then we can wear a topi.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Apr 2014 02:34

ramana garu,

all this happened long before I delved into Indian politics. I guess at that time I didn't even know who Modi was.

I think, the skull cap has got nothing to do with Modi's fast, as that is independent of any Muslim custom. Few days back there was a photo of Rajnath Singh praying together with Muslims while wearing the skull cap, so I guess the Muslims drag everybody to pray with them, and all have to wear the skull cap while doing so. But I am not really informed about the finer details of the use of skull cap.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 26 Apr 2014 02:44

Ashok Malik has a piece on the Skull-Cap non-issue in the Daily Pioneer.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 26 Apr 2014 02:46

ramana wrote:RajeshA, The skull cap is for prayer ceremony. Are those offering the cap suggesting that Modi's fast is a prayer ceremony in conformance with Koran and Hadiths?

No, it has deeper significance than muslims would like to make us Abdul's believe. As per hadith's and islamic rule, a person wearing a skull cap is to be considered among the believers of Islam and it is not necessary for him to get converted. I.e. wearing skull cap he is allowed to pray like ummah. It also means you are follower of prophet as he used to wear it and by wearing it you follow islam. While wearing turban or himachal topi has no such deeper significance.

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 26 Apr 2014 02:52

Then she must be on drugs for sure, she is so slim and Vadera weighs lot on his head

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Apr 2014 02:53

munna wrote:A lot of myths are being quoted about Punjab's Hindu voters in this thread, traditionally INC attracts SC vote and SAD Panthic Jat vote, urban vote is often the tie breaker for both groupings, BJP in Punjab is currently running on hope and prayer. Khanna may win Gurdaspur, other two seats are in dicey zone.

Next Punjab elections are going to be held around January 2016, in about one and half years. I hope there can be some new mixing of the cards.

Secondly I am expecting BJP to give a new push to capture SC votes. There have been theories floating around that the next BJP CM face for UP could be Udit Raj. Many BJP leaders have been threatening that Akhilesh Yadav govt would be dismissed soon after NDA wins LS polls. If UP elections are fought with a Dalit BJP CM candidate, it would have an effect on Punjab.

I personally think that a loss for Arun Jaitley in Amritsar may even be good, as it would give BJP some more leverage and motivation to look for alternatives and leadership independent of the Badals.

Should SAD+BJP combo lose the 2016 elections, at least BJP would come out of this junior partnership! But in order to come out of this junior partnership, BJP would have to first win over a larger chunk of Congress SC votebank.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 26 Apr 2014 02:54

they all say barrack hussain obama is a muslim. why doesn't he wear a skull cap?

munna · Post by **munna** » 26 Apr 2014 03:03

RajeshA wrote:
munna wrote:A lot of myths are being quoted about Punjab's Hindu voters in this thread, traditionally INC attracts SC vote and SAD Panthic Jat vote, urban vote is often the tie breaker for both groupings, BJP in Punjab is currently running on hope and prayer. Khanna may win Gurdaspur, other two seats are in dicey zone.
Next Punjab elections are going to be held around January 2016, in about one and half years. I hope there can be some new mixing of the cards.

Secondly I am expecting BJP to give a new push to capture SC votes. There have been theories floating around that the next BJP CM face for UP could be Udit Raj. Many BJP leaders have been threatening that Akhilesh Yadav govt would be dismissed soon after NDA wins LS polls. If UP elections are fought with a Dalit BJP CM candidate, it would have an effect on Punjab.

I personally think that a loss for Arun Jaitley in Amritsar may even be good, as it would give BJP some more leverage and motivation to look for alternatives and leadership independent of the Badals.

Should SAD+BJP combo lose the 2016 elections, at least BJP would come out of this junior partnership! But in order to come out of this junior partnership, BJP would have to first win over a larger chunk of Congress SC votebank.

Next Punjab Elections will be in Jan-Feb 2017. Your line of action is very valid, actually fears of SC vote consolidation around BJP prompted the Delhi ordered purge on the insistence of an insecure ally. In 2012 elections BJP-SAD won all seats in the district of Jalandhar because of yet another BJP victim of the great purge, just like Sidhu. The poor chap is cooling his heels and watching the state of affairs from the sideline. If BJP wins 3/3 in Punjab then its tera-peta-maha tsunamo, a mere tsunamo wont just cut it ....

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 26 Apr 2014 03:35

RajeshA wrote:
harbans wrote:Folks hearing some people saying "Don't judge Modi by 2002 riots" more to him than what happened there, including Swapan. I'm countering that condescension saying: Do Judge Modi by 2002 riots: To stop killings Guj State Cops shot more rioters dead in these riots than any known riot in Indias' history. And most shot dead were Hindu rioters.
Sorry but Modi's Hindutvavadi fans may not really feel proud about this! Sure Raj Dharma may have compelled Modi to take such drastic measures, but these are points to impress on a secular crowd, who don't want to be impressed anyway!

I have never seen a single word from these "intellectuals" about 60 people who were burned alive. Hindu blood is very cheap.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Apr 2014 03:39

SaiK wrote:they all say barrack hussain obama is a muslim. why doesn't he wear a skull cap?

There are plenty of such images on the net. However they are at the Wailing Wall of the Jews. He also wears a turban like Sudanese.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 26 Apr 2014 03:50

from chindu:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/o ... epage=true

can someone confirm on the article's data?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 26 Apr 2014 04:02

Suraj wrote:
That is why, as I've stated, the BJP must focus on satisfying their concerns first, if they're elected. That's not to suggest they should ignore everything to do with their cultural revivalist agenda. I support their acting on two items at the earliest - a) no government control of temples or temple finances and b) auditing and taxation of all inward religious money. If the money coming in to build a factory faces scrutiny, so will money coming in to build a mosque or church. But otherwise I hope GoI focusses on economy, and specifically on job creation, executing projects and building infrastructure.

Need to add a third point. 'Social engineering'

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Apr 2014 04:04

AP can thank Chiddu for minus 1

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 26 Apr 2014 04:08

I hope BJP after winning won't turn secular. That would be committing suicide. Hindus are fed up with Muslim appeasing parties but are okay with Muslims being treated on par (not superior). If BJP thinks they can get more votes by pandering, then they can kiss all their credibility goodbye. I have confidence in Modi in this, but not in the BJP.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 26 Apr 2014 04:11

Modi won't appease. But will Modi make UCC,Ram Mandir first thing? Nope.

Fixing economy will be first priority.

Freeing up temples from Govt. should be second priority. Hindu temple money should be decided by Hindus democratically

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 26 Apr 2014 04:17

You all know Prafool Badwai is a mentally deranged Hindu hating,India hating SOB who wanted US to bomb India after nuclear tests. The SOB was so worried that Pakis can't attack India any more.

Why are all the sub-human scum of the earth so much petrified of regime change? What are they doing to India for these 10 years that they think we will all find out. What is Sonia and these scums have been doing?

Not fielding Priyanka against Modi is a blunder

Something unusual happened to the exhausted, jaded, effete Indian National Congress the other day. After years, somebody in the party had a bright new idea -- of fielding Priyanka Gandhi as its Lok Sabha candidate against Narendra Modi in Varanasi in Uttar Pradesh.

That would have instantly changed the entire complexion of the current election, electrified not just the Poorvanchal region (eastern UP) and adjoining parts of Bihar, but the whole nation, and qualitatively changed the character of today's political game.

Whatever reservations one may have about the unhealthy, probably crippling, effect of the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty on the Congress, there can be little dispute that Priyanka would have been best placed to defeat Modi, or at least give him a run for his money.

Priyanka, reports The Times of India, was keen on fighting Modi because she believes he is 'bad for the country'. Most other parties in the fray in Varanasi, say credible reports, would have withdrawn their candidates in her favour.

An agreement 'in principle' was reached on fielding a strong common candidate in informal discussions between the Congress, Samajwadi Party and Bahujan Samaj Party. This reveals the strength and pervasiveness of the hostility Modi evokes from other parties irrespective of their ideology or social base.

A straight contest against Priyanka would have punctured Modi's '56-inch-chest' hubris, put him on the defensive, and curtailed his campaigning trips by forcing him to concentrate his attention and energy on Varanasi.

Indeed, Priyanka would have had a far higher chance of defeating Modi than would her mother (who has proved a very capable and respected leader), leave alone her brother (who has not, despite being offered many opportunities on a platter).

It may not speak of acutely discriminating judgment or great maturity on the part of the Indian electorate that it should be taken in by factors such as physical appearance, glamour, family lineage, and other ingredients of charisma, which make Priyanka resemble her grandmother Indira Gandhi in the eyes of many people. It is sad to see them being obsequious towards individuals who exude power.

Libtard is being a servant to the DIEnasty and he is blaming Indians for that. Priyanka or unka baap ... very few people care.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 26 Apr 2014 04:28

This is the level to which traitors in press stoop then something serious needed to be done. This d** is practically begging mafia to bring more preson from the dynasty just because she looks like Indira.