Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby member_20317 » 26 Apr 2014 00:06

^ you need to edit.

sustainer has burn time of 24 secs.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby John » 26 Apr 2014 02:16

I was under impression it was 18 seconds but i might be getting it mixed up with SA-6 but regards it is not much and no where in league with liquid fueled ramjet missile like Brahmos.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby ramdas » 26 Apr 2014 05:10

http://drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/index.j ... t-2014.jsp

looks like the book whose description is linked here (it is a DRDO monograph which seems to be meant for public sale) has some very interesting information. Does anyone know how one may obtain a copy of this book ?

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby member_20317 » 26 Apr 2014 12:09

I think you got to speak to the Publisher:

Published by Director, DESIDOC, Metcalfe House, Delhi – 110 054.

Helpful people. When I was a kid I just landed up at their office khwa-mu-khwa. I was told that it is restricted entry. I requested and they took pity on moi. Let me into their library. Did not come out till office close. Browsed a lot for free.


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EVOLUTION OF SOLID PROPELLANT ROCKETS IN INDIA
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Topic index and Intro chapter here:
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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby kish » 26 Apr 2014 13:49

After this user trial of 'Akash', people seem happier than the previous trial.

'Akash' Test Fired Successfully

"The sophisticated Akash missile was test fired twice in quick succession from launch complex-3 of ITR at about 11.55 am and 12 noon," defence sources said.

Describing both the trials as 'fully successful', ITR Director M K V Prasad said the whole exercise was carried out as part of a user trial by the Indian Air Force.

Each missile targeted a toe body supported by Pilot Less Target Aircraft (PTA) 'Lakshya', defence sources said.


Multiple sources confirming the same.

Doordarshan News ‏@DDNewsLive 27m

India successfully conducted 2 rounds of trials of its indigenously developed surface-to-air Akash missile as part of a user trial by AirF


India successfully conducts trials of 'Akash' missile

India on Saturday successfully conducted two rounds of trials of its indigenously developed surface-to-air Akash missile as part of a user trial by the air force from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Chandipur near Balasore in Odisha.


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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby abhik » 26 Apr 2014 18:45

Any updates on the ABM test?

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Vishnu » 26 Apr 2014 18:52

Air Force version of Akash missiles test fired

Two Akash missiles from the production lot of the Air Force version of Akash missile system were test fired in two separated tests in modes on Saturday the 26th April 2014, successfully intercepting the fast moving incoming and receding maneuvering targets respectively, towed by Lakshya pilot less target aircraft. The complete Akash missile system including target system were operated by Indian Air Force personnel exploiting the overall capabilities of system in different envelops. Two Squadrons of Akash missile system developed by DRDO have been already inducted in to IAF and the system is in continuous production and induction. Senior IAF dignitaries alongwith Shri S Som, Director DRDL, Shri S Ravind, Director LRDE, Shri MVKV Prasad, Director ITR witnessed the firing from Chandipur. Shri Avinash Chander Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri has congratulated all the teams from DRDO, Production agencies, Industry Partners and Indian Air Force for the excellent coordinated demonstrations.
Project Director, Shri G Chandramouli stated that all the stated mission objectives have been met and the missile system has performed as expected. It is a notable achievement that the entire equipment of sophisticated radars, control centers, launchers & ground support systems for Indian Air Force have been realized and produced in less than two years indicating the integrated capability of DRDO, DDP, Inspection agency MSQAA and Indian Industry. A path has been created for continuous production of sophisticated surface to air missile systems in the country through this programme. He sincerely thanked all the engineers/scientists/technicians who worked for this remarkable challenge set by the services and could demonstrate the performance of the system on production variants too.
IAF placed had order for Eight Squadrons of Akash missile system. Later Indian Army placed an order for Two Regiments of Akash missile system. The total production orders placed by Services (IAF and Indian Army) for Akash missile system approximately amounts to Rs 23,000 Cr. Already missile system worth Rs 3500 Cr were delivered to the Services. In addition, 3D-Central acquisition radar (3D-CARs) which is an offshoot from Akash missile system also is in continuous production and induction to all the three Services.
Akash is a mobile multi-directional, multi-target point / area defence system which can simultaneously engage several air targets in a fully autonomous mode of operation. The hardware and software integration of various weapon system elements permits automated management of air defence functions such as programmable surveillance, target detection, target acquisition, tracking, identification, threat evaluation, prioritization, assignment and engagement. All the Radars, Command control centers, launchers are integrated to achieve these functionalities. The system is designed to enable integration with other air defence command and control networks through secure communication links. The system is also provided with advanced ECCM features at various levels. The weapon system is cost effective relative to equivalent systems in the global market.
The system is modular and mobile with all its components including launchers either wheeled truck or trailer mounted. Good lateral acceleration capability of missile till intercept provides high maneuverability and capability against high performance air targets, such as tactical strike aircraft, bombers, high altitude reconnaissance airplanes and armed helicopters. Equipped with multi-function phased array radar with tracking utilizing the modern electronic technology, the system has significant resistance to many kinds of active and passive jamming. All air defence functions such as classification, threat evaluation, prioritization and missile launch are automated, by virtue of usage of state of the art computation platforms and softwares. The system is configurable to adapt to future requirement.

The system is under production at Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL), Bangalore for Eight squadrons for Indian Air Force. Two Regiments of Army version are under production at Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL), Hyderabad for Indian Army. Missiles and missile related equipments are produced by BDL. Radars and radar related equipments for both (IAF and IA) orders are produced by BEL.
Thirteen (13) DRDO labs, Nineteen (19) Public Sector Units (PSUs), Five Ordnance Factories (OFs) and more than 200 small, medium, and few large scale private industries have actively participated during the development and production of Akash weapon system.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Cosmo_R » 26 Apr 2014 20:26

I like this writeup for its humor:

Describing both the trials as 'fully successful', ITR Director M K V Prasad said the whole exercise was carried out as part of a user trial by the Indian Air Force.

Each missile targeted a toe body supported by Pilot Less Target Aircraft (PTA) 'Lakshya', defence sources said.

"During the trial, each missile aimed at intercepting a toe body supported by a PTA flown a couple of minutes earlier from another launch complex, at a definite altitude over the sea," sources said.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 12464.aspx

Two toes or three toes for this sloth? :)

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Kakarat » 26 Apr 2014 22:15

abhik wrote:Any updates on the ABM test?


https://twitter.com/livefist

"India to test new interceptor missile tomorrow for the first time, part of Ballistic Missile Defence shield. "

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby pankajs » 27 Apr 2014 10:05

Will have to wait for further details but talks of interceptor missile so seems to be BMD test.
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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby pankajs » 27 Apr 2014 10:32

PTI report
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India successfully test-fires new interceptor missile http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 281509.cms
BALASORE: India on Sunday successfully test-fired a new interceptor missile capable of neutralizing any incoming long-range missile at higher altitude.

The interceptor, positioned at launch pad-IV of Integrated Test Range at Wheeler Island, about 100 km from here, roared into the sky at about 9.10am to hit its target.

The target, mimicking an incoming enemy missile, was first test fired from a naval ship at 9.06am and after getting signals from the radars, the interceptor went into action.

"The trial was conducted successfully and all the mission objectives were met," DRDO spokesman Ravi Kumar Gupta told PTI over phone.

The details of the 'kill effect' of the interceptor missile were analyzed after retrieving all the data from various radars and telemetry stations, an official said.

Earlier Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), which is the premier agency to develop such a sophisticated interceptor, had successfully tested six interceptor missiles developed by it, both in endo-atmosphere (within 30 km altitude above sea level and exo-atmosphere stage (above 30 km altitude).

The Prithvi Air Defence interceptor missile has already demonstrated its killing capability at an altitude of 50 km and 80 km while the Advanced Air Defence interceptor missile has smashed the target missile at an altitude of 15 km to 30 km.

Now the target is to achieve the interception at an altitude of above 100 km of a long range missile, defence sources said.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby thammu » 27 Apr 2014 10:53

NDTV
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/india-successfully-test-fires-new-interceptor-missile-514504?pfrom=home-otherstories
Balasore, Odisha: India today successfully test-fired a new interceptor missile capable of neutralizing any incoming long-range missile at higher altitude.

The interceptor, positioned at launch pad-IV of Integrated Test Range at Wheeler Island, about 100 km from Balasore in Odisha, roared into the sky at about 9.10 am to hit its target.

The target, mimicking an incoming enemy missile, was first test fired from a naval ship at 9.06 AM and after getting signals from the radars, the interceptor went into action.

"The trial was conducted successfully and all the mission objectives were met," DRDO Spokesman Ravi Kumar Gupta told PTI over phone.

The details of the 'kill effect' of the interceptor missile were analysed after retrieving all the data from various radars and telemetry stations, an official said.

Earlier Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), which is the premier agency to develop such a sophisticated interceptor, had successfully tested six interceptor missiles developed by it, both in endo-atmosphere (within 30 km altitude above sea level and exo-atmosphere stage (above 30 km altitude).

The Prithvi Air Defence interceptor missile has already demonstrated its killing capability at an altitude of 50 km and 80 km while the Advanced Air Defence interceptor missile has smashed the target missile at an altitude of 15 km to 30 km.

Now the target is to achieve the interception at an altitude of above 100 km of a long range missile, defence sources said.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby abhik » 27 Apr 2014 11:56

Any Pictures /Videos released?

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby member_28108 » 27 Apr 2014 11:59

What device was actually tested. Lot of contradictory information about the exact nature of the missile.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby sudhan » 27 Apr 2014 13:14

The interceptor seems to have had an IIR seeker for end game guidance. Most definitely a Hit-to-kill vehicle..

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby PratikDas » 27 Apr 2014 13:32

sudhan wrote:The interceptor seems to have had an IIR seeker for end game guidance. Most definitely a Hit-to-kill vehicle..

Why does one imply the other? Whether the target is physically hit or just shredded by shrapnel from a directional warhead is less important as long as it is killed.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby SSridhar » 27 Apr 2014 14:27

DRDO: Test fire of Prithvi Missile Defence Vehicle a Significant Step - Business Line

In a significant milestone in the direction of developing a two-layered Ballistic Missile Defence system, India today successfully carried out its maiden Prithvi Defence Vehicle (PDV) test-fire, meeting the mission objectives.

“The PDV mission is for engaging targets in the exo-atmosphere region at more than 120 km altitude,” the Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO) said in a statement after the trial conducted on the Odisha coast.

“Both the PDV interceptor and the two-stage target equipped with motors were specially developed for the mission. The target, developed to mimic a ‘hostile ballistic missile approaching from more than 2,000 km away,” was launched at 0907 hrs from a ship in the Bay of Bengal,” it said.

“In an automated operation, a radar-based detection and tracking system detected and tracked the enemy’s ballistic missile. The computer network with the help of data received from radars predicted the trajectory of the incoming ballistic missile,” it said.

A PDV that was kept fully ready, took off from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Wheeler Island, about 100 km from here, once the computer system gave the necessary command for lift-off, the DRDO release said.

“The interceptor guided by a high accuracy Inertial Navigation System (INS) supported by a Redundant Micro Navigation System moved towards the estimated point of the interception,” it said.

Once the missile crossed the atmosphere, the Heat Shield ejected and the IR (Infrared) Seeker dome opened to look at the target location as designated by the Mission Computer.

With the help of Inertial Guidance and IR Seeker the missile moved for interception.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby SSridhar » 27 Apr 2014 14:35

PratikDas wrote:
sudhan wrote:The interceptor seems to have had an IIR seeker for end game guidance. Most definitely a Hit-to-kill vehicle..

Why does one imply the other? Whether the target is physically hit or just shredded by shrapnel from a directional warhead is less important as long as it is killed.

DRDO has always claimed that both AAD and the PDV (including the PAD) were direct hit-to-kill missiles. That is what has been demonstrated today also. We need to have this capability so that the incoming warhead is completely obliterated and rendered incapable of causing any residual damage.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby PratikDas » 27 Apr 2014 14:45

SSridhar wrote:
PratikDas wrote:Why does one imply the other? Whether the target is physically hit or just shredded by shrapnel from a directional warhead is less important as long as it is killed.

DRDO has always claimed that both AAD and the PDV (including the PAD) were direct hit-to-kill missiles. That is what has been demonstrated today also. We need to have this capability so that the incoming warhead is completely obliterated and rendered incapable of causing any residual damage.

You are right. I remembered reading of a directional warhead and assumed that precluded the need for a direct hit, but I now find this regarding the earlier PAD test in March 2009:

Hindu: Hat-trick of Hits
“About five minutes and ten seconds later, when the interceptor had reached an altitude of 80 km, its homing seeker acquired the target when it was 25 km away. Using this information, the interceptor’s computer guided it towards the target and brought it within a few metres of Dhanush.

At this point of time, the radio proximity fuse (RPF) of the gimballed directional warhead calculated the distance from Dhanush and the time at which the warhead should detonate.

When the interceptor and the target were practically colliding with each other, the warhead was detonated, which led to the fragmentation of the target and the interceptor. It was a direct hit and also a warhead detonation. A large number of fragments formed due to the collision and detonation of the warhead were tracked by ground radars and the radars on ships. We could see on our plot boards hundreds of new tracks being formed, confirming that it was both a direct hit and a detonation,” Saraswat said.

Thank you.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby member_28108 » 27 Apr 2014 15:07

Gimballed directional warhead means that the tracking can be done independent of the direction the missile is travelling so if there is any change in direction of the interceptor or the missile when the seeker locked on it still maintains the lock whatever may be the offset so that the software can give instructions to the interceptor to change position.This becomes important in real time change in position of the target or mic course corrections if the launch of the interceptor is at another angle and also allows a shorter pathway to kill the tracked missile by anticipating its path instead of just chasing it.Plain chasers ahve been found to be relatively inefficient.The directional warhead allows the blast to be angulated /focused to a particular direction increasing efficency of the kill.
Probably using a hit to kill with a directional warhead allows a greater area of targetting to allow a kill - ideal is a hit but even a directed blast close to the missile can do the job allowing success even with a greater uncertainity compared to just a kinetic kill vehicle.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby sudhan » 27 Apr 2014 16:13

From livefist

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And the vid :)


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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Karan M » 27 Apr 2014 17:45

Lovely!

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby symontk » 27 Apr 2014 18:45

For the first time I am seeing a photo of solid propelled Prithvi, looks good, not sure from which launch vehicle / missle it was derived from

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby tushar_m » 27 Apr 2014 19:16

not a cold launch , but good work DRDO congrats

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby John » 27 Apr 2014 20:18

^ To my knowledge the first missile test has never been cold launch except for Brahmos which was already tested in russia.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Yogi_G » 27 Apr 2014 21:29

I see the base of the launcher move -- swivellish. Is that the stabilizer system doing its part? I dont remember seeing such a system in the other launchers. What am I missing here?

Also if it was an automated launch by the mission computer why was there a countdown? So it was a textbook launch as calculated by the scientists and the system reproduced it with fidelity?'

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I note that this has already been answered in the ABM thread. apologies.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Karan M » 27 Apr 2014 22:02

Stabilizer for target missile on Sukanya class vessel to compensate for platform motion thanks to the waves, ship motion.

Automated launch by MC can still have a countdown, with manual intervention to stop it it something goes wrong - on test missions.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby sudhan » 27 Apr 2014 22:03

^^Yogi saar, that must be the stabilized platform for the ship based Dhanush.. Which I believe was the target for the PDV.. This is probably the first close up of the dhanush launcher :)

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby member_23370 » 27 Apr 2014 22:04

Does the Dhanush stabilization platform find any use in Arihants?

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby member_28108 » 27 Apr 2014 22:17

Bheeshma wrote:Does the Dhanush stabilization platform find any use in Arihants?

The missile is ejected out of the launch tube and then it has to correct its course when the engine fires.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby chackojoseph » 28 Apr 2014 07:09

Bheeshma wrote:Does the Dhanush stabilization platform find any use in Arihants?


Yes, India learnt sea launch via that. However, it has no direct application on Arihant.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby member_27581 » 29 Apr 2014 16:52

http://idrw.org/?p=36774


Is Akash truly nuclear capable???

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby member_28108 » 29 Apr 2014 17:58

ranjan.rao wrote:
http://idrw.org/?p=36774


Is Akash truly nuclear capable???


According to Wiki entry it is nuclear capable. Its payload is 60 Kg the issue is do we have a 60Kg nuclear payload ?

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 29 Apr 2014 18:02

What does it matter, why would you want to put a Nuke on SAM and that too one with a 25KM range? It was speculated DRDO used the terminology to indicate India has small tactical nukes

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 29 Apr 2014 20:01

it's not. the similar SA-6 was (or was it the SA-2 ? in a highly modified version which was in effect a different missile altogether) and our imbecile journalists have carried this snippet without bothering to check.

file it in the same shelf as yeti, Indian Tu-22M3 etc.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby John » 29 Apr 2014 21:25

There was a variant of S-75 that carried the nuclear warhead.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Kersi D » 29 Apr 2014 23:31

I think the Soviet SA 5 SAMs NATO Codename 'Gammon' / 'Galosh' had a nuclear warhead. The tactic is to explode a nuclear warhead amidst the hordes of NATO / US bombers attacking the rodina

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 29 Apr 2014 23:52

John wrote:There was a variant of S-75 that carried the nuclear warhead.

SA-2 = S75

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby John » 30 Apr 2014 02:55

Yes i know pointing out as you said S-75/SA-2 not Kub missile carried nuclear warhead. Trying to show my support for mother russia in current standoff by not using the NATO desig. :D

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Philip » 30 Apr 2014 10:02

Naval Akash should be attempted by the DRDO when Barak-8 is delayed by 3+ years..Can't understand why there is no naval program for our capital ships.


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