Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr 2014

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don't know how true the numbers are but if they are any where close to what it said here. Unkill has infested paki society like termites
NGO- The rise of third sector
The extraordinary growth that NGOs have experienced in recent years in their numbers, their outreach and their resources is unprecedented even by Pakistani standards. The number of active NGOs in the country is, at the very least, anywhere between 100,000 to 150,000, investigations by the Pakistan Centre for Philanthropy (PCP), a certification organisation for NGOs and charity institutions, reveal. By this count, there is at least one NGO for every 2,000 people. Way back in 2001, a Civil Society Index put together by the Aga Khan Foundation in Pakistan, in coordination with Civicus, an international alliance of civil society groups, put the number of “active and registered NGOs in Pakistan” at “around 10,000 to 12,000”.
One of the first problems in Pakistan vis-à-vis the third sector is knowing its exact breadth. “No one knows how many NGOs are functioning in Pakistan,”a PCP spokesperson tells the Herald. “No one really has any idea of the [size of the] non-profit sector.”
Now if western NGO are here how far will be EJ community which is the backbone of this operation and once they are in there must be some abduls who have been sprinkled with holy water. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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how did he escape :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Briton jailed in Pakistan for 'posing as Muslim' tells of ordeal
A British man jailed for "posing as a Muslim", has spoken for the first time since returning to the UK.

Masud Ahmad, 73, was arrested in Pakistan in November under blasphemy laws but fled while on bail.

The 73-year-old is part of the minority Ahmadiyya sect, who are considered heretics in Pakistan.
This is how smart Pakis are
Late last year, a young man posing as a patient visited Mr Ahmad at his homeopathy clinic in Lahore, before asking questions about religion.

"I have no business talking about religious beliefs when I am working, I am only here to help people. But he kept pushing the topic into matters about Islam", Mr Ahmad said.

The man then used a mobile phone to secretly film Mr Ahmad reading the Koran and called the police to have him arrested.
then this is what happens :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
About 400 people protested outside the police station in which Mr Ahmad was being held, demanding to see him.


He said: "They were shouting and chanting, 'let us kill him, let us kill him'. But I wasn't scared."
arrest the judge :(( :((
It is understood no travel restrictions were put in place by police and as a dual Pakistani-British national, he was able to return to the UK.
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U.S. ran social media programs in Afghanistan and Pakistan
The United States built Twitter-like social media programs in Afghanistan and Pakistan that were models for a program in Cuba aimed at encouraging open political discussion in the countries, Obama administration officials said Friday.

But like the program in Cuba, which was widely ridiculed when it became public this month, the services in Pakistan and Afghanistan shut down after they ran out of money because the administration could not make them self-sustaining.

In all three cases, U.S. officials appeared to lack a long-term strategy for the programs beyond providing money to start them.

Administration officials also said Friday that there had been similar programs in dozens of other countries, including a "Yes Youth Can" project in Kenya that was still active. Some programs operate openly with the knowledge of foreign governments, but others have not been publicly disclosed.
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Pakis are amazing! Everyone is demanding Geo apologize to army and ISI ( apparent a sore sticking point is that they dared to show photo of DG ISI during their broadcast. )
What has Paki army done for Pakistan? They lost all wars, lost half the country, conducted coups, usurped land, trained terrorists who are now bombing Pakistan, killed their own citizens through air strikes and torture, took money from US to let them bomb Pakistani territory. The list goes on and on ....



Culture, in a word. When the world looks upon you as savages, one takes refuge in religion.

When your societal contributions and achievements are bettered by Rwanda post-genocide, forget about India, self-esteem is found in the barrel of a gun.

The Paki army represents the only avenue out of the dead end existence of the average Pakistani. They have presciently gamed the system-only the army provides employment, upward mobility, societal presitige, a chance for the common man to profit from patronage and pillage. They all know its defender of the faith role is a hoax, but it's a step up from the dung heap most of them are condemned to.
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shiv wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Pakis with their new "South Asian Syndrome" disease: Time to outsource operations
The tsooth says 19th century twice. It's not a typo. Computers were invented in the 19th century
How did this comment get past the moderators?
Obviously the writer is in 20th century. I know many US companies outsource their IT requirements to India while many Arab countries outsource their IT requirements to Pakistan, if you know what I mean.
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VikasRaina wrote:Come on, Don't snub these Pakis. After all they still consider themselves to be the extended provinces of India just with Turkish culture and Arabian Language, hence have all the right to talk about all the serious problems facing them like Gujarat model, slowing down of Indian economy, reservations for Muslims in jobs, lack of Muslim representation in Bollywood etc. etc..
Its other way around. The narrative i came to know few days ago is India was part of greater Pakistan established by One Mr Qaazim whose band of holy thugs impregenated all the Pakiammis who found them very yummy. India split from Pakistan but still as big brother, Pakistan have right to correct Kufr India.
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Tragic incident : Five passers-by killed, blast fails to hit target
KARACHI : The passenger bus that was the main target of the Friday blast that took place near Gizri escaped without any major damage. A few others were not as lucky.
Five persons, including a woman, died in the blast while over 30 others were injured. Four of the injured were admitted to JPMC in critical condition. “We received four bodies,” confirmed Dr Seemin Jamali, the joint JPMC executive director and incharge of the accidents and emergency ward.
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Railways purchases spare parts at higher prices
LAHORE : The National Accountability Bureau (NAB) has finalised an investigation into misappropriation in the procurement of spare parts worth $3.78 million for 69 Chinese locomotives of the Pakistan Railways (PR), The Express Tribune has learnt.
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Mushy Marriya Yaan Akkriya
No safe exit for Musharraf
( Except 2 Brothel In Baadals)
Musharraf is the only military ruler who has lived on to see the return to power of his nemesis. In addition, times have changed. There is an awareness, a vibrant media — though not as fiercely independent as some would like to think. Then there is the ‘political’ dimension — the pressure on the government from its own cadres of legislators and activists. Was he not guilty of the Kargil misadventure which was carried out behind the back of the democratic government? A wholly unwarranted and preposterous intervention in the territory of another state that cost more than 650 lives of Pakistani soldiers, while causing a loss of more than $1 billion to the exchequer. Then[/bMoving the military into the tribal area to further ingratiate himself with his Western benefactors upset the balance of power and destroyed the equilibrium of forces that had ensured the area’s stability and peace. When he was questioned repeatedly during a visit to Washington over the fate of Mukhtaran Mai — a woman who was raped in a district of Punjab and who was invited to visit the US, Musharraf lost his temper and said: “Any woman in Pakistan who wants a US visa gets herself raped!” That was the time to arrest and punish him for bringing disgrace to the country he was supposed to be leading. There was this deeply ingrained belief in his paranoid mind that he could get away with anything that he would do in ‘national interest’ (read: for personal glorification). The same prompted him to address the American Israel Public Affairs Committee meeting in the US on one of his many visits to that country. Not only that, he dispatched the then foreign minister, Khurshid Kasuri, to Turkey to formally meet with his Israeli counterpart in utter disregard of the sentiments of millions of Pakistanis.
It is a myth that there were others who ought to be held accountable for the many wrongdoings of Musharraf. The dictator held absolute control over all decision-making and no one would dare give a dissenting view on ‘crucial’ issues. Doing that would lead to a swift penalty — and some did pay the price. The chorus of voices emanating from his increasingly shrinking coterie of supporters with regard to catching the ‘others’ is a lame excuse that is meant to take the focus away from the dictator’s many anti-Pakistan atrocities.Any safe exit for the former dictator would mean choking to death the morbid and decaying institutions of the rule of law and justice. The tens of thousands of people killed, villages and houses demolished, billions of dollars wasted on fighting militancy are the terrible legacies of a dictator whose reign in office has seen Pakistan lose its identity. Could such a person be allowed to escape justice and roar once again from the safe havens he has created in Dubai, London and US cities?
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Street to be named after Gulzar sahab in Pakistan.

Shitistanis have a lot of streets remaining for luring useful idiots to mouth the bhaichara and south asian bull crap.
Jinnah House should be demolished and in its place we should build Sulabh Sauchalay for benefit of slum dwellers of Malabar Hill. Of Course we should be mindful and sensitive to the feelings of Pakistanis and should ensure that it is a TFTA Sauchalay befitting the status of Jinnah with Granite topped sinks and is air conditioned.
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Vipul wrote:[Shitistanis have a lot of streets remaining for luring useful idiots to mouth the bhaichara and south asian bull crap.
Jinnah House should be demolished and in its place we should build Sulabh Sauchalay for benefit of slum dwellers of Malabar Hill. Of Course we should be mindful and sensitive to the feelings of Pakistanis and should ensure that it is a TFTA Sauchalay befitting the status of Jinnah with Granite topped sinks and is air conditioned.

If Gulzar have any sense of history and honor, he should ask STFU to name the street after Bhagat Singh.
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Is Gulzar Shia, Sunni or Ahmedi?
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-14586 ... -line-:EAC

Over 50 pc Pakistanis living below poverty line :EAC
ISLAMABAD: A meeting of Economic Advisory Council (EAC) held on Saturday with Finance Minister Mohammad Ishaq Dar in the chair discussed all aspects of national economy.The meeting conceded that more than half of the country’s population was living below the poverty line.The meeting decided that any individual earning less than Rs200 or 2 US dollar daily would be considered as poor.The EAC meeting also discussed an increase in the salaries of government employees from July. Any decision in this regard would be taken before the budget.
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http://www.dawn.com/news/1102478

Hamid Mir blames ‘ISI within ISI’ for attack {There are two types of ISI, good ISI and bad ISI}
“Only these people may know what flight Hamid Mir will take to reach Karachi. Which car will pick him up at the airport and at what time he will come out from the airport. They knew where to attack the car and chose a corner where CCTV camera wasn’t functioning,” he added.

“People visit me in guise of friends but leave after conveying threatening messages of the foes,” said the senior journalist answering a question about source of the recent threats.
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LokeshC wrote:Is Gulzar Shia, Sunni or Ahmedi?
Trojan horse
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Many of the "Indian" restaurants in western countries are owned and run by pakees or BDs. Can India protect its Intellectual Property rights with regards to any "aira gaira" opening an "Indian" restaurant ?
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He might be Sardar.
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Justice system of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in action.

15 month old baby charged for writing graffiti:

Arrest warrant issued for 15-month-old in wall-chalking case

Around a fortnight back there was a similar case when a 9 month old baby was booked on an attempted murder charge:

Pakistani family: 9-month-old booked on attempted murder charge
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LokeshC wrote:Is Gulzar Shia, Sunni or Ahmedi?
He is a sehajdhari Sikh
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Did somebody post this inside story of Raymond Davis affair? Apologies if posted already...

How a Single Spy Helped Turn Pakistan Against the United States

some gems.
On the day of Davis’s arrest, the C.I.A. station chief told Munter that a decision had been made to stonewall the Pakistanis. Don’t cut a deal, he warned, adding, Pakistan is the enemy.
Panetta asked Haqqani for his help securing Davis’s release.

“If you’re going to send a Jason Bourne character to Pakistan, he should have the skills of a Jason Bourne to get away,” Haqqani shot back, according to one person who attended the meeting.
During one screaming match between the two men, Munter tried to make sure the station chief knew who was in charge, only to be reminded of who really held the power in Pakistan.

“You’re not the ambassador!” Munter shouted.

“You’re right, and I don’t want to be the ambassador,” the station chief replied.
But Secretary of State Hillary Clinton came to Munter’s defense. She turned to Panetta and told him that he was wrong to assume he could steamroll the ambassador and launch strikes against his approval.

“No, Hillary,” Panetta said, “it’s you who are flat wrong.”

There was a stunned silence
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OT alert.
LokeshC wrote:Is Gulzar Shia, Sunni or Ahmedi?
His name is Sampooran Singh Kalra.

from wiki unkil
Gulzar was born in a Kalra Arora Sikh family, to Makhan Singh Kalra and Sujan Kaur, in Dina, Jhelum District, British India (now in Pakistan). Before becoming a writer, Sampooran worked in Mumbai as a car mechanic in a garage. His father rebuked him for being writer initially. He took the pen name Gulzar later
he went to Pakistan recently with his protégé Vishal Bharadwaj the new pseudo secular friend of Mahesh Bhatt who signed the anti modi petition along with Hansal Mehta and others.. To be fair I haven't heard Gulzar saying anything political or otherwise yet. He was at one time actually against visiting Pakistan because he did not want to destroy the memories of his town with the new one.
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Rajdeep wrote:Many of the "Indian" restaurants in western countries are owned and run by pakees or BDs. Can India protect its Intellectual Property rights with regards to any "aira gaira" opening an "Indian" restaurant ?
Sure. Give a Indian government approved mark to any restaurant who has 51% Indic share holding. Hold annual award ceremony to praise the top ones. Do it for a few years and soon it will become important like Michelin star award. Eventually it become a norm. Let this award become something desirable for any Indian restaurant. Let there be other criteria as well but the share holding has to be 51%+ Indic origin as of current owners.

Bahut kuch ho saaktaa hai...agar iradey bulaand ho!
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A hidden gem in this article

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/world ... press.html
Jang is owned by Mir Shakil ur-Rehman, a reclusive editor who lives with his two wives in Dubai, where he keeps a tight grip on a media empire that includes Geo News, several sports and entertainment channels, and a stable of newspapers in Urdu and English. Last fall, Mr. Rehman came to believe that the ISI was sponsoring a new television station, Bol, to dilute his commercial and political clout. {D company is involved in this. As a way of making money as well as having a pro-Army propergandu channel} His newspapers ran hostile reports about Bol, prompting competing media organizations to hit back with stories that painted Geo as sympathetic to Pakistan’s old rival, India.

In 2012, the militant group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi recruited a junior reporter at Geo to help plan the assassination of a news editor and a prominent talk show host at the station, said a former Geo manager with direct knowledge of the case. The plot was foiled when the reporter confessed. {AoA!!}
Bol has been quietly hiring reporters and tv personalities with massive salaries. D company is rumored to have been involved. There is a lot of money to be made in TV (with telecasting matches, movies the list goes on and on). The Army and ISI have also learned their lesson when Mushy was ousted. It was mostly because news channels started broadcasting the lawyers protests and so on.

https://in.news.yahoo.com/dawood-isi-la ... 00575.html
A new TV channel in the works in Pakistan is creating a lot of media buzz. No, it's not because of the fat salaries - houses and luxury cars included - it is offering or even the talent it is attracting. It's because BOL channel network has a unique backer - Dawood Ibrahim - and the ISI's blessings.
People closely involved with setting up BOL - set to go on air by the year-end - privately confirm the two main parties are the gangster-turned-terrorist and the spy agency. They say the ISI has adopted this strategy to counter an increasingly independent broadcast media. BOL has set its sights high: it wants to upstage GEO TV, Pakistan's leading news channel. It has even managed to get GEO's head for Pakistani ' 10 million ('6 million) a month, insiders say.
The latest clamoring to ban Geo probably partly arises from a desire to give Bol Channel a leg up.
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VikasRaina wrote:
LokeshC wrote:Is Gulzar Shia, Sunni or Ahmedi?
He is a sehajdhari Sikh
So Bakis have named a street after a Kaffir, who have been all but genocided in Bakistan??? TTP bliss to make whoever did this to get their raisins :)
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SIC holds demo to show solidarity with army, ISI

KARACHI : Sunni Ittehad Council (SIC) on Sunday held a demonstration on I.I. Chundrigar Road to express solidarity with Pak army and Inter Services Intelligence (ISI).

“No conspiracy will be allowed to succeed against Pakistan army,” said SIC leader Maulana Faisal Azizi while addressing the participants of the demo.

He said Geo News anchor Hamid Mir did not name the ISI Chief in his statement.

“We want freedom of media and not its destruction,” he said, adding ‘freedom does not mean that national institutions be harmed’.

Maulana Naqsh Bandi, on the occasion, said Pak army is alive and will always remain so.

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abhijitm wrote:Did somebody post this inside story of Raymond Davis affair? Apologies if posted already...

How a Single Spy Helped Turn Pakistan Against the United States
The basic premise of the article is wrong. It seems to imply Pakistanis were fond of the US, Raymond davis killed some innocent bystanders and then Pakistanis started hating the US.

Pakistanis always hated the US. Raymond Davis incident happened in Jan 2011. Here Pakistanis celebrate their love for US in 2010 when Afia Siddiqui, a pakistani loonie was convicted in the US for shooting an american soldier and trying to teach bomb making to people in Afghanistan
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Again in 2010, Pakistanis express approval of freedom of expression in the US when a florida pastor threatened to burn the Koran
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Street protests against Kerry Lugar Bill happened in 2009 in Pakistan (orchestrated by the ISI ofcourse because it has pro-democracy clauses). Here is friendly Pakistan US relationship in 2009
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2005, Pakistanis express their love for everything American. Including KFC. Protests against Prophet Mohammad cartoons.
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A Muj singing his love for the US in 2005
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The list goes on and on, I wont bore you with details. Here is something to ponder. Pakistanis showing their affection for the US in 1979 when they burned down the US embassy in Islamabad.

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What is this nonsense about one man spoiling US-Pakistan relationship hainji?
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Brad Goodman wrote:He was at one time actually against visiting Pakistan because he did not want to destroy the memories of his town with the new one.
And, yet Gulzar went to pakhanistan and became another useful idiot for the pakis to trot around with the usual platitudes. Now they are naming a street after him as if all is forgiven and forgotten. Indian/Punjabi Hindu-Sikh memory of its own genocide is so short. No wonder Northwest India was run over time and gain by the barbaric hordes even after they (the hordes) were defeated and allowed to go.
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Werent there something 50 articles of how Pakistan is going to name a street after bhagat singh. We all know what happened.

This is another, "we are all brave intellectuals standing against taliban" and we all know how majorp made a pussssssss out of it.

If only Pakistanis do even 1 thing out of 50 things they say, would we be saying STFUP?
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Anujan wrote:
The list goes on and on, I wont bore you with details.

What is this nonsense about one man spoiling US-Pakistan relationship hainji?

Yes, the list is long.

Such as the funeral in Quetta for Aimal Kasi (Mir Qazi).
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shiv wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Pakis with their new "South Asian Syndrome" disease: Time to outsource operations
The tsooth says 19th century twice. It's not a typo. Computers were invented in the 19th century
What, you haven't heard of al-Babbage and his sharm-sharm mohatarma Ada Augusta bint al-Byroni?
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anupmisra wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:He was at one time actually against visiting Pakistan because he did not want to destroy the memories of his town with the new one.
And, yet Gulzar went to pakhanistan and became another useful idiot for the pakis to trot around with the usual platitudes. Now they are naming a street after him as if all is forgiven and forgotten. Indian/Punjabi Hindu-Sikh memory of its own genocide is so short. No wonder Northwest India was run over time and gain by the barbaric hordes even after they (the hordes) were defeated and allowed to go.
Perhaps u should also read this from Harsha Bhogle
Friends in Pakistan
My memories of Pakistan were coloured too. By the war of 1971 when, as a ten year old, I heard Indira Gandhi say that Indian air force bases had been bombed and when our little Gnats outdid the mighty Sabres. Or so we were told. By the stories my mother told me of fear in Lahore in 1947 and of returning on one of the army trains. India hadn’t yet been partitioned but they already spoke of “returning”. By the fact that my grandfather wore chest pads that my grandmother stitched as he cycled to work in Lahore. I had also heard of how people in Amritsar went to Lahore to see a big city and of how my father, on his way back by ship from Paris had stopped over in Karachi and had been very kindly received by people having only recently migrated from Hyderabad.

In 1997 I got the opportunity of finding out for myself. I would visit the Anarkali Market near where my mother lived as a child and I would bring back some chilgoze for her. And I would visit the other Hyderabad.

We weren’t in a hotel there; neither was the team. They stayed in the cantonment under the hospitality of the Pakistan army and we stayed as house guests. Our hosts took us to dinner to the Hyderabad Club, showed us how drinks could be poured out of a kettle and after a few had gone down told us “bhai, sirf aapke nahin hamaare bhi pachas saal hue hain azaadi ke“.

Lahore could have been Delhi. Same cars, same roads, same clothes, same chaat. And the Pearl Continental was outstanding. Walking by the shops, wondering how different the prices there would be from those in the markets, I was pounced upon by a man from one of the antique shops. “Aap wahi hain na, jo Sahara Cup me aate hain” he said and I appreciated the “aap” which is how it was in my Hyderabad. “India se aaye hain?”. “Ji haan” I started but before I could continue he had taken over the conversation “Phir to aap hamaare mehmaan hue. Chaliye Lahore dikhate hain aapko”.

And so I found myself with a complete stranger in a country I had apprehensions about. I had heard about the fine cloth they sold and wanted to buy some for my wife. We went to four shops in each of which I was introduced as “India se hamaare mehmaan hain” and neither of which I could leave until I had partaken of their hospitality. I had the mandatory chaat and a ‘special’ ice-cream before we found the shop we were looking for. A very polite man showed me all he had, recommended fabric heartily and while doing so asked “Kaun jeetega? Hamaare to waise chalis pachas hazaar hote hain match pe?” “Itne?” I asked a bit bewildered. His answer floored me. “Sochiye aap, agar ham hi itne lagaate hain to bananewalon ne kitne banaaye honge!” The next evening the fabric I selected, with a dupatta acquired from elsewhere was delivered to my hotel room. I had paid on trust
The Gaddafi Stadium was packed the next day and while walking around between commentary stints, I ran into a policeman on duty. He asked me the inevitable “India se hain aap?” When I said yes, he promptly reached into his pocket for a little trinket, thrust it into my hesitant palm and said “dene ke liye mere paas kuch nahin lekin yeh chhoti si cheez yaad ke taur pe le jaaiye. Apne logon se kahiye Pakistan me bhi dost hain.”
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

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Anujan wrote:
abhijitm wrote:Did somebody post this inside story of Raymond Davis affair? Apologies if posted already...

How a Single Spy Helped Turn Pakistan Against the United States
The basic premise of the article is wrong. It seems to imply Pakistanis were fond of the US, Raymond davis killed some innocent bystanders and then Pakistanis started hating the US.
An American who has been brought up reading an American version of history where Pakistan was a "friend and ally" - a sentiment that was probably true in Pakistan until 1965. After that the controlling elite and army have hoodwinked the Americans so thoroughly that it will be 30 years before Americans can write about how badly Pakis screwed them - just like it took 30 years after Vietnam for the US to face up to what really happened.

This article simply makes Americans flagellate themselves and take the blame just like you hindootvavaadis should take the blame for hostility in Sauth Asia because Harsha Bhogale knows how friendly Pakis are.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

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Brad Goodman wrote: ...

Perhaps u should also read this from Harsha Bhogle
Friends in Pakistan
My memories of Pakistan were coloured too. By the war of 1971 when, as a ten year old, I heard Indira Gandhi say that Indian air force bases had been bombed and when our little Gnats outdid the mighty Sabres. Or so we were told. By the stories my mother told me of fear in Lahore in 1947 and of returning on one of the army trains. India hadn’t yet been partitioned but they already spoke of “returning”. By the fact that my grandfather wore chest pads that my grandmother stitched as he cycled to work in Lahore. I had also heard of how people in Amritsar went to Lahore to see a big city and of how my father, on his way back by ship from Paris had stopped over in Karachi and had been very kindly received by people having only recently migrated from Hyderabad.

In 1997 I got the opportunity of finding out for myself. I would visit the Anarkali Market near where my mother lived as a child and I would bring back some chilgoze for her. And I would visit the other Hyderabad.

We weren’t in a hotel there; neither was the team. They stayed in the cantonment under the hospitality of the Pakistan army and we stayed as house guests. Our hosts took us to dinner to the Hyderabad Club, showed us how drinks could be poured out of a kettle and after a few had gone down told us “bhai, sirf aapke nahin hamaare bhi pachas saal hue hain azaadi ke“.

Lahore could have been Delhi. Same cars, same roads, same clothes, same chaat. And the Pearl Continental was outstanding. Walking by the shops, wondering how different the prices there would be from those in the markets, I was pounced upon by a man from one of the antique shops. “Aap wahi hain na, jo Sahara Cup me aate hain” he said and I appreciated the “aap” which is how it was in my Hyderabad. “India se aaye hain?”. “Ji haan” I started but before I could continue he had taken over the conversation “Phir to aap hamaare mehmaan hue. Chaliye Lahore dikhate hain aapko”.

And so I found myself with a complete stranger in a country I had apprehensions about. I had heard about the fine cloth they sold and wanted to buy some for my wife. We went to four shops in each of which I was introduced as “India se hamaare mehmaan hain” and neither of which I could leave until I had partaken of their hospitality. I had the mandatory chaat and a ‘special’ ice-cream before we found the shop we were looking for. A very polite man showed me all he had, recommended fabric heartily and while doing so asked “Kaun jeetega? Hamaare to waise chalis pachas hazaar hote hain match pe?” “Itne?” I asked a bit bewildered. His answer floored me. “Sochiye aap, agar ham hi itne lagaate hain to bananewalon ne kitne banaaye honge!” The next evening the fabric I selected, with a dupatta acquired from elsewhere was delivered to my hotel room. I had paid on trust
The Gaddafi Stadium was packed the next day and while walking around between commentary stints, I ran into a policeman on duty. He asked me the inevitable “India se hain aap?” When I said yes, he promptly reached into his pocket for a little trinket, thrust it into my hesitant palm and said “dene ke liye mere paas kuch nahin lekin yeh chhoti si cheez yaad ke taur pe le jaaiye. Apne logon se kahiye Pakistan me bhi dost hain.”
We have a tendency to judge Pakistanis on an all-or-nothing basis, so that if they show some positive elements that means (in our minds) they must be very good only, and it is the fault of yeevil yindoos for making brothers into enemies. Mahabharata tells us that no one is completely good or completely evil. That doesn't mean that we can't talk about good and evil people at all. It requires a basic sense of moral judgment to decide this, and I am afraid that in my observation and experience, Indians taken as a whole are lacking in this particular capacity for judgment.

Pakistanis (and ashraf-type Muslims in general) like to feel large-hearted and generous, and I know Pakistanis that I consider genuinely so, not just acting. At the same time, if there is a challenge to their implicit supremacy they will become depressed and / or murderously angry. See here, for example:

A Modest Proposal From the Brigadier
"We should fire at them and take out a few of their cities—Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta," he said. "They should fire back and take Karachi and Lahore. Kill off a hundred or two hundred million people. They should fire at us and it would all be over. They have acted so badly toward us; they have been so mean. We should teach them a lesson. It would teach all of us a lesson. There is no future here, and we need to start over. So many people think this. Have you been to the villages of Pakistan, the interior? There is nothing but dire poverty and pain. The children have no education; there is nothing to look forward to. Go into the villages, see the poverty. There is no drinking water. Small children without shoes walk miles for a drink of water. I go to the villages and I want to cry. My children have no future. None of the children of Pakistan have a future. We are surrounded by nothing but war and suffering. Millions should die away."

"Pakistan should fire pre-emptively?" I asked.

Aman nodded.

"And you are willing to see your children die?"

"Tens of thousands of people are dying in Kashmir, and the only superpower says nothing," Aman said. "America has sided with India because it has interests there." He told me he was willing to see his children be killed. He repeated that they didn't have any future—his children or any other children.

I asked him if he thought he was alone in his thoughts, and Aman made it clear to me that he was not.
None of the people who were so nice to Bhogle will probably bat an eye when it comes to supporting 26/11 type attacks or any type of gazwa against India including nuclear attack. Indians are still confused that as soon as they became Pakistanis, Muslim Punjabis lost no time in killing and raping en masse the neighbors they were calling uncles and aunties till the previous day.

On the Indian side(and hopefully this is not OT as it is derived from an observation of Pakistanis), we have to accept that both sides exist in the pakistani personality (whether it makes sense to us or not) and learn to make the choice between being channels for Pakistani ass-roughs to express their large-heartedness, while being careful to never to threaten their sense of superiority (by such hostile acts as being more successful or just standing up erect), versus taking what might feel like a cold-hearted business-like attitude whereby we decide that the ego strokes we get from this kind of love from Pakistanis is not worth the harm we are doing to our personal and national selves by falling into the role of their ego-bunny.

Question for Bhogle should be, "it's nice that pakistanis have made you feel so good; but are you willing to acquiesce in the harming of your country and your less-privileged compatriots just so that you can continue to feel good in this way?"
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

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Anujan wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/world ... press.html
stories that painted Geo as sympathetic to Pakistan’s old rival, India. :eek: (psy-ops by the racist rag.NYT is on a carefully orchestrated campaign to bolster the pakistani state.This sort of brazen attack is what the christian racists in Amnesty,HRW bleat about,but the jewish bigots of NYT are coming up with all sorts of explanations blaming Geo for the attempt at murder of Hamid Mir. )
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

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Brad Goodman wrote: Perhaps u should also read this from Harsha Bhogle
Friends in Pakistan
And the Pearl Continental was outstanding.
Pearl continental seems to be outstanding. Everyone should stay in it next time they visit.

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Suicide attack on Pakistani hotel

Oh okay nevermind.

My Sri Lankan friends too complimented about the "hospitality" shown in Gaddafi stadium. Here is Tharanga enjoying hospitality after visiting Gaddafi stadium. He said the hospitality was clean with professional doctors and neat sheets. They even shaved his chest for him.

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Sri Lankan team tells of terror as bullets riddled bus
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

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Anujan wrote:
And the Pearl Continental was outstanding.
Pearl continental seems to be outstanding. Everyone should stay in it next time they visit.

Image

Suicide attack on Pakistani hotel

Oh okay nevermind.
Bakistan is also victim of terrorism, and India should stop talking endlessly about 26/11.

Oh wait, India did actually stop talking about 26/11, so never mind.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

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Enjoy this one too. No I'm deliberately not putting the title in... Let it be a nice surprise for those who know.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/magaz ... f=magazine
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

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http://tribune.com.pk/story/701177/paki ... -in-india/
According to reports in Indian newspapers, Fatima and her husband Mir Muhammad Mahar of Nuhundi village near Ghotki went to Jaisalmer in the Indian state of Rajasthan to visit relatives three months ago along with their five-year-old-son. Fatima was seven-month pregnant at the time of travel and gave birth to a boy on April 14 while she was in India.
When contacted, an elder of the Mahar tribe, Muhammad Ismail Mahar confirmed the incident to The Express Tribune. “Fatima was seven-month pregnant and, therefore, everybody asked her to postpone her visit till the birth of the child but she didn’t listen. She left for India with her husband and son to see her maternal uncles,” he said.
Interesting. So does the baby get Indian citizenship?
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

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http://www.dawn.com/news/1102701/gilani ... ant-ransom
Former prime minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has said that he has been in contact with the kidnappers of his son Ali Haider over the past year but they have never demanded ransom because they are interested only in securing release of some prisoners.
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