Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Apr 2014 15:31

3 fires in high security places in 3 days is too much of a co-incidence.

next in line will be CBI and IB offices.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Apr 2014 15:39

IndraD wrote:"RajeshA"
Saba Naqvi ‏@_sabanaqvi 37m
To all the people who worry about bangladeshi migrants, same attitude to nepalis? Or is it just muslims who worry them.
Rama: Nov29,12240BCE ‏@DharmicFundoo 3m
.@_sabanaqvi

Did Nepalis partition India & took their part based on diff of religion? Those who got their part, what r they doing in India?
Nepali migrant are not in enough number to change demography or damage resources or change course of election
No one is raising them either as vote bank
Any country in the world today fears large scale immigration

IndraD ji,

while that is true, I saw most of the responses on Saba Naqvi's tweet basically sort of apologism, like trying to defend our response, as if we stand in court as a defendant. Basically Seculars treat all responses based on angst from Muslims as "Baseless Islamophobia". In fact they relish such anxiety among non-Muslims.

I wanted to give a "secular" response which can justify doing anything with anybody from Pakistan (West or East) who crosses the border into India.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 29 Apr 2014 15:50

Are they Refugees?? No . Their Countries like TSP and BD are doing reasonably well for their citizens. There is no civil/military strife which results in large scale migration of affected people.

Essentially, these are the people who come to India in search of better economic prospects except those who are minority among them . They are being persecuted , haunted and their population is falling. In fact such Minorities in those countries could be taken in as refugee and afforded status and comfort guaranteed under any UN Convention.

Rest of them are in fact danger to this country as they indulge in terror activities, economic sabotage, try to penetrate electorate populace and obtain false documents to claim citizenship without going through due legal process and in turn skew demographics of the area they infest.

While doing so, they remain staunchly anti-India in their approach and in many places indulge in rioting and arson ,as in Assam recently. They are menace to this country, and can be classified as enemy alien and dealt with accordingly. Persecuted minorities are welcome.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 29 Apr 2014 15:52

Rajesh ji, high time. You should also ask her why is she so concerned about B'di m's. If so, then isn't she keeping her religion over national requirements.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Apr 2014 15:54

matrimc wrote:
Rahul M wrote:some of them are like the Vivekananda Kendra Vidyalay, which run dozens of high quality schools in far flung corners of India.
One such person I know and is very very close to my boss spent all her life in that org and she works in Arunachal Pradesh in a school. These volunteers live very humbly (my contact can afford great comfort in India or US) with no pretensions. Very unlike the dog and pony show that is AAP or the attention grabbing folks of ms. Susanna Roy ilk.

precisely. even by a conservative estimate, a full third of all current sarkari affsars in AP are products of VKV schools. imagine the effect that has.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Apr 2014 15:57

Also pls remind her of what BD immigrants did in Azad Maidan, ask her why is she bringing religion into immigration issue, is she a muslims first or an Indian?

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 29 Apr 2014 16:20

Don't we have free movement, no visa & work pacts with Nepal?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 29 Apr 2014 16:22

yes we have.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 29 Apr 2014 16:44

RajeshA wrote:while that is true, I saw most of the responses on Saba Naqvi's tweet basically sort of apologism, like trying to defend our response, as if we stand in court as a defendant. Basically Seculars treat all responses based on angst from Muslims as "Baseless Islamophobia". In fact they relish such anxiety among non-Muslims.

I wanted to give a "secular" response which can justify doing anything with anybody from Pakistan (West or East) who crosses the border into India.

Notice the utter servility in the constitutional institutions. BR is doing politics but all these seculars and TV netas are doing desh seva. This apologetic existence is the reason why India has had to endure so much for so long. Now that the Hindus feel differently about their rationale for existence, they cannot take it.

Wish I was a license to practice. Would have taken all assorted buddhijeebis to court. Also the EC. Blind people.

Notice also the glee in the secular camp at BR's apology. That is the reason why no apology should ever flow from the Hindutva side. Expect no quarters, give no quarters. People in the Hindutva side are also very softie mushie.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... yoga-guru/

After action by Uttar Pradesh authorities, yoga guru Ramdev was on Monday banned from conducting programmes in Himachal and was booked in Maharashtra and Rajasthan under SC/ST Act for his “honeymoon” remarks targeting Rahul Gandhi. But Ramdev said he would move to court against the curbs.

Terming the ban on his yoga camps as undemocratic, Ramdev alleged the government had pressurised the Election Commission to put the curbs and accused Congress of “distorting” his remarks against Rahul, that have been slammed as “anti-Dalit”, for vote-bank politics.

Chief Electoral Officer Narinder Chauhan said Ramdev has been refused permission to hold yoga camps in Himachal on the directions of Election Commission, which has instructed the states to ensure that no political activity be allowed through non political programmes like yoga shivirs.

“We have passed on the instructions to district administrations for compliance. The request of Patanjali Yoga Peeth of Baba Ramdev to hold yoga shivir at Kangra, Chamba and Rehan” has not been granted, Chauhan said in Shimla.

Officials said the Election Commission had taken note of reports that “political activities” were being carried out through non-political outfits to help certain candidates and had issued instruction to all the CEOs on April 18.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Apr 2014 16:54

ravi_g ji,

The seculars know how to pick a communal, misinterpret any of his comments to mean something totally different, put him against a wall and shoot him.

That's why NaMo and Amit Shah have been very careful in what they say, and most others in BJP have been shut up not to say anything. Even Amit Shah's harmless comment of "revenge through voting" was put upside down.

NaMo is very very circumspect in what he says. In the earlier days before the model code of conduct came into place, "burqa of secularism" and "puppy under a car" remarks by him gave him good feedback as to what the tolerance level in media and ECI may be!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Apr 2014 17:03

>> Chief Electoral Officer Narinder Chauhan said Ramdev has been refused permission to hold yoga camps in Himachal on the directions of Election Commission, which has instructed the states to ensure that no political activity be allowed through non political programmes like yoga shivirs.

by that logic ALL friday namaz all over India should be banned till May16.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 29 Apr 2014 17:10

pankajs wrote:Lok Sabha polls 2014: Sonia Gandhi's son-in-law Robert Vadra a liability for Congress

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 349338.cms
Vadra may have been something of a spectacle for the local residents but since last year, after facing allegations of wrongdoing in his land deals, he has turned into something of a political liability for the party. "Wo gale ka kanta ban gaye hain, jise na nigla ja sakta hai na ugla ja sakta hai (roughly meaning that the party can like it or lump it but do little about him)," a party member says. For the Congress, which is battling public anger over a spate of scams, Vadra has only served to keep the key issue against the party alive.

A Congress leader says: "Priyankaji has been aggressively responding to the charges, but on the ground it is the workers who have to defend him. We were already dealing with the fallout of the 2G and coalgate scams, and we were arguing that the charges were more hype than substance. But how do we explain to the people about Vadra?" Another party member says it is exceedingly difficult to counter BJP's charge that Vadra converted Rs 1 lakh into Rs 300 crore in very short time.
Note:
1. If Vadra is a liability Piggy too is a liability. Her selective intervention towards the fag end might impress a few but in a full fledged electoral battle she will not work. So the party can like it or lump it or Mr Vadra might take himself out of the equation.
2. "Priyankaji has been aggressively responding to the charges, but on the ground it is the workers who have to defend him." Now by this logic Baba RD's impact will be determined by his defense by BJP/RSS/BRD workers and not by the talking heads in the TV studios. Hope they have been proactive.

Vadra is just a vehicle and the end beneficiaries of this are Gandhi's and not vadra. He is just a pawn.

Sanjay · Post by **Sanjay** » 29 Apr 2014 17:21

I desperately need a morale boost - any photos of huge crowds at NaMo rallies ?

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 29 Apr 2014 17:23

What to make of this?

Kargil martyr Vikram Batra's mother calls Narendra Modi "pseudo-patriot"

As the political battle intensifies, Kamal Kanta Batra, AAP candidate and mother of martyred Captain Vikram Batra participates in a war of words calling BJP's prime ministerial Narendra Modi a pseudo-patriot.

Batra who will be fighting the Lok Sabha elections from Palampur in Himachal Pradesh made the statement after Modi, who was rallying in her battle contituency, evoked her son in his speeches. He stuck to his speech at another rally, saying "Vikram Batra died for the country - he had said - yeh dil maange more. I say it too. I want all four seats in Himachal. I want 300 lotuses across India."

However, the Batra family clearly wanted to stay away from politics and politicisation of their matryr son's last words. "Modi was BJP prabhari (in-charge) for Himachal during the Kargil war and was very much in Palampur when Vikram died. Why didn't he visit us or any martyrs' family then? Why remember us after 15 years?," she said. She is pitted against the BJP's sitting MP Anurag Thakur and Rajinder Singh Rana, of the Congress.

Captain Vikram Batra's family had asked BJP to refrain from politicising martyrdom for electoral gains in the Lok Sabha Elections.. Captain Batra's family was not impressed at this usage of their son's name. "BJP must not drag his name into politics," said his father, GL Batra.

Never knew Batra's mother is fighting against BJP on AAP ticket.

Captain Vikram Batra's family had asked BJP to refrain from politicising martyrdom for electoral gains in the Lok Sabha Elections..

Errr. actually, it is the Batra family which is trying to reap electoral gains from their son's name by standing in elections.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Apr 2014 17:29

Sanjay wrote:I desperately need a morale boost - any photos of huge crowds at NaMo rallies ?

Try here!

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 29 Apr 2014 17:30

^^ Today Ms Lekhi confirmed that BJP offered her to join the party and fight election on BJP ticket like VK Singh ji.

She refused and later after choosing AAPtards she started demanding BJP should withdraw their candidate (Anurag Thakur) in the honor of martyr, (per twitter YoYa advised her for this demand)

All I can say is, Captain Batra would have been proud if she fights and wins instead of demanding parties to withdraw their candidates.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 29 Apr 2014 17:31

So spoke an AAP candidate who is an AAP candidate only because of her martyred son and is in politics only because of her son. Otherwise she is a nobody.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 29 Apr 2014 17:36

Rahul M wrote:>> Chief Electoral Officer Narinder Chauhan said Ramdev has been refused permission to hold yoga camps in Himachal on the directions of Election Commission, which has instructed the states to ensure that no political activity be allowed through non political programmes like yoga shivirs.

by that logic ALL friday namaz all over India should be banned till May16.

Mizoram they postponed the voting/counting/WTF (what was it a holy day?) only.

All the churches will send out missives on who to vote for and these guys think we are blind.

The sorry thing Shahi Imama and that old witch will issue fatwas to Seculars and they think we are blind.

New Delhi, Oct 23: The Election Commission (EC) on Wednesday advanced the date for Assembly Election in Mizoram to November 25 from December 04. As per the revised schedule for Mizoram polls, counting will now take place on December 09 instead of December 08. Several political parties, NGOs and churches and other religious organisations had requested for a change in the date for polls to elect the 40-member State Assembly. The earlier dates of polling and counting of votes had coincided with the time when the Mizoram Synod, the highest decision-making body of the Presbyterian, would hold state-wide conference in Aizawl and the counting day fell on Sunday, a sacred day for Christians. With agency inputs

Read more at: http://news.oneindia.in/india/mizoram-a ... 29239.html

Sanjay · Post by **Sanjay** » 29 Apr 2014 17:37

RajeshA wrote:
Sanjay wrote:I desperately need a morale boost - any photos of huge crowds at NaMo rallies ?
Try here!

Thanks - but I wanted some in the last week.

James B · Post by **James B** » 29 Apr 2014 17:38

Something funny from twitter

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 29 Apr 2014 17:42

Saba Naqvi types should be told clearly:

1) First & foremost they are illegals and have no business entering & living here.
2) They come from Islamic country that has systematically destroyed minorities especially Hindus. Honestly, one should ask her if they are secular or dharmic enough to be part of Indian fabric. Also, hypothetically if there was a Hindu dominated country where Muslims were systematically erased, will she be welcoming those Hindus if they were to migrate into India that too Illegally and on mass scale.
3) Nepal has treaty with India and we have had open borders forever.
4) No single sensible country in the world will take a whole bunch ( in millions) of Muslims. If she thinks otherwise please send this proposal to US, Western EU, Russia, Australia or China.
5) Heck even no Islamic country like Saudi, Egypt etc will not take them in large numbers. On the other hand just see how they are treated in Arabia, 2nd class Muslims.
6) Partition happened for a reason, let them live with their choice and leave us alone.
7) Neither Hindus, nor Sikhs nor Christians nor Jains, nor Parsi's nor Buddhists nor any non religious Indian would want Muslims from rabid nations like Pakistan or Bangladesh to come here & alter demographics in mass scale.

Lastly Supreme court judgement is there on this matter and it is that these folks need to go back and future illegal immigration stopped. It must be respected & followed.

Guys it should be mentioned on their face there is no sensible place in the world where a mass immigration of Muslims will be accepted. And to be honest no country will accept mass immigration of population of any type/kind.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Apr 2014 18:23

Modi said "Ye dil mange more" and that is being spun in the MSM as an insult to Batra. It is unbelievable!

Anyways since the mother has herself entered public domain by fighting election she should be asked if she agrees with Bushan of AAP on referendum in Kashmir that her son fought to defend.

Rather than asking her a question a statement needs to be issue to the effect ....

"While we have great respect for Mrs. Batra as the mother of a martyr we certainly do not agree with her party's position on Kashmir. To allow a referendum as suggested by Mr. Bushan of her party would be to disrespect the principle for which her son fought and laid down his life. Our fight against her in on that principle."
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Pawan Durani ‏@PawanDurani 20m

BJP may have not contested against mother of martyr Vikram Batra , but here it is an AAP candidate contesting . Party who has Kamal Chenoy

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 29 Apr 2014 18:38

IMHO, the lady should not be debated with. BJP should ask for votes based on PM candidate's delivery track record, not get involved in tu-tu-mein-mein with a martyr's mother. Play it positively, unlike what should be done with the dynasty

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 29 Apr 2014 18:48

I posted this long ago that it will be the Armed Forces officer population and their families, by and large, that will be mostly against BJP's cultural nationalism.
Unless there are other balancing factors, they being from the upper middle / upper class are certainly DIE.

Vikarm Batra's mother being AAP candidate is an validation of what I posted a couple of weeks ago.

It's not the cultural nationalism per se that is a problem for certain class of people, but the caveats/conditions that come with it. These conditions are at odds with the artificial lifestyle that comes with the colonial baggage inherited by all such institutions after the transfer of power.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 29 Apr 2014 18:58

Diggy Raja caught with her Bhairavi

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Apr 2014 19:02

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 29 Apr 2014 19:04

Is this even being reported in MSM?

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 29 Apr 2014 19:05

haha Diggy.

He will now do what all Indian politicians who are caught misbehaving on tape or video and say that the material is fake/doctored!!

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 29 Apr 2014 19:07

prahaar wrote:IMHO, the lady should not be debated with. BJP should ask for votes based on PM candidate's delivery track record, not get involved in tu-tu-mein-mein with a martyr's mother. Play it positively, unlike what should be done with the dynasty

+1

It's a 'lose lose' situation imo - the issue should just be put to bed. Grief does strange things to people so I do not blame the lady in question for acting irrationally/joining AAP etc. Let her have her say and move on.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Apr 2014 19:09

India Today ‏@IndiaToday 1h

Priyanka, Rahul sometimes appear to be twin sisters: Meenakshi Lekhi News Flash:http://goo.gl/vH4mnO

By god!

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 29 Apr 2014 19:11

I don't think you can generalize. There are plenty of ex-armed forces in the Sangh. IIRC, the Sangh has a dedicated arm for ex-servicemen. VKS being the latest.

I have an OT question regarding Arunachal for RahulM since he seems to be based there. Who is winning the battle of converts - EJs or Dharmics?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Apr 2014 19:13

not sure when those photos...his wife passed away Feb last yr of cancer.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 29 Apr 2014 19:20

The Sanghi component of ex-Servicemen is a very small one. Also, do verify what's the ratio of ex-officers vs OR.
As I said unless there are some balancing conditions (family history, educational background), they will be uncomfortable with cultural nationalism. VKS is from former category.
I've seen the split in my family itself. My dad was quite outspoken when came to mess culture and no surprises with his voting preferences after he retired.
On the other hand a cousin of mine is the opposite, very uncomfortable with unit's cultural life, very dismissive of troops from GV (in private) with predictable political views.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 29 Apr 2014 19:21

Singha wrote:not sure when those photos...his wife passed away Feb last yr of cancer.

Bibi mar gayi to kya ye shadi-shuda aurton ke saath gulcharre udayega.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 29 Apr 2014 19:23

Kya "Tunch Maal" hai baap.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 29 Apr 2014 19:26

is it SM (tweeter) already?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Apr 2014 19:28

Yes..
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Modi Bharosa ‏@ModiBharosa 6m

Soon Shri @narendramodi will be exclusively on @ZeeNews . Stay connected for live updates & watch it! on Zee News. #ModiOnZee

Hindustan Times ‏@htTweets 11m

Have immense respect for Kargil martyr Vikram Batra & his parents; will quit politics rather than allow dignity of martyrs be hurt: #Modi

Akhilesh Mishra ‏@amishra77 18m

Just like I mentioned Laxmi Bai and Bose in regions I went, I mentioned Vikram Batra too in HP. Sad to see it get politicised. - Modi

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 29 Apr 2014 19:30

Well he is having a good time before he kicks the bucket. But how does it benefit the lady? Whats the deal?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Apr 2014 19:31

it usually is career growth.

arminius · Post by **arminius** » 29 Apr 2014 19:44

Singha wrote:it usually is career growth.

Not voucing for the authencity, but rumours on twitter say that she works for Rajya Sabha TV.