Anujan wrote:Praveen Swami's latest. Fellow cant STFU
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article5963505.ece
Its like these morons are writing about a foreign country -India this,India that. Never, our country or we. A bunch of deracinated cuckoos.
Anujan wrote:Praveen Swami's latest. Fellow cant STFU
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article5963505.ece
By now I have had it with the constant braying by the pakis that cashmere is a "jugular vein this or jugular vein that". Here's what I understand happens if the jugular veins are cut:Describing Kashmir as Pakistan’s jugular vein....
Time to put the Pakistanis out of their misery. Cut the damn vein, I say!It takes about 2 minutes to bleed to death if the internal jugular vein is cut, which is larger than the external jugular vein, and the victim is in a lying down position, as body posture greatly affects the rate of blood loss. If it's only the external jugular that's cut, then maybe you bleed to death within about 5 minutes.
Anujan wrote:Praveen Swami's latest. Fellow cant STFU
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article5963505.ece
It refers to the whole article in reality!!!*The article has been corrected for a factual error
Previously it was "and his successor".Prime Minister I.K. Gujral, though, ended RAW’s offensive operations against Pakistan — and his predecessor, Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao
He took out the Modi quote that he was using to back up the summary that Modi has "suggested" attacking pak. So now the summary is about some danger Modi is going to pose and the article has no reference to Modi at all! Brilliant.ramana wrote:Anujan wrote:Praveen Swami's latest. Fellow cant STFU
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article5963505.ece
The article has this
It refers to the whole article in reality!!!*The article has been corrected for a factual error
1. Omar Khalid Khorasani
Khorasani, who heads the Mohmand tribal agency branch of the Pakistani Taliban, may be the most dangerous Taliban leader in the country.
Even by the Pakistani Taliban’s barbaric standards, Khorasani is uncompromisingly brutal. In recent months, while his organization was attempting negotiations with Islamabad, the former journalist was implicated in several high-profile attacks. In February, he ordered the execution of 23 Pakistani paramilitary soldiers held in captivity since 2010. Pakistani officials believe he was also responsible for the bombing of an Islamabad marketplace in April, and suggest he also may have had a hand in an assault on an Islamabad courthouse in March.
2. Asim Umar
Umar is an al-Qaeda propagandist (he is also affiliated with the Pakistani Taliban).
Umar’s ideology is classic al-Qaeda. He spouts the requisite anti-Americanism (he has published a book on Blackwater called The Army of Anti Christ)![]()
3. Masood Azhar
Azhar is the head of Jaish-e-Mohammad, an anti-India terrorist group thought by New Delhi—and many other capitals—to have received support from the ISI, Pakistan’s main spy agency. Azhar spent time in Indian prisons in the 1990s, before being released in 1999 as part of a deal to end a hijacking crisis involving an Indian airliner.
Since resurfacing, Azhar has boasted of having 300 suicide bombers at his disposal ready to attack India, and threatened to kill Narendra Modi if he becomes India’s next prime minister. Terrorist & anti-national elements in the Indian sub-continent just have one agenda
With most international troops leaving Afghanistan this year, many militant groups operating in that country—particularly those like Lashkar-e-Taiba that are anti-India to the core—will likely redirect their attention to, and expand their operations in, India. Azhar’s reemergence (possibly with the connivance of Pakistan’s security establishment) may be telegraphing this strategic shift, and particularly if seen in the context of Asim Umar’s recent exhortations. Umar has explicitly called on Indian Muslims to mobilize for jihad: “How can you remain in your slumber when the Muslims of the world are awakening?”
Ominously, if Pakistani militants like Azhar are indeed taking their fight back to India, they could find numerous willing accomplices there. In recent weeks, Indian security experts have warned of new Islamist militant cells popping up across the country.
4. Ahmed Ludhianvi
Khorasani and Azhar are militant leaders, while Umar is a jihadist propagandist. Ludhianvi is a sectarian extremist who, for a brief period this month, was a member of Pakistan’s Parliament.
Ludhianvi leads the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat, a front for (and effectively the new name of) Sipah-e-Sahaba—a terrorist organization that sponsors violence against Pakistan’s Shia Muslim minority (one of its spinoffs, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, is arguably Pakistan’s most vicious sectarian group). Though he insists he has never used violence, Ludhianvi’s views are far from peaceful—and legions of his sectarian militant followers gladly enforce his rabidly anti-Shia dictates through force of arms.
5. Mast Gul
This mysterious man’s career is a chilling example of what can happen when Pakistani militants turn on their sponsors.
In the 1990s, Gul was a Kashmir freedom fighter, and Indian and Pakistani observers alike assert he enjoyed a close relationship with Pakistani intelligence. A U.S. diplomatic cable made public by Wikileaks in 2011 even described him as a former major in the Pakistani army.
Gul isn’t the first of these creatures to emerge (Ilyas Kashmiri, a one-time anti-India fighter and ISI asset who became an al-Qaeda commander after the 9/11 attacks, is a prominent earlier example, as is Asmatullah Muawiya, a Jaish-e-Mohammed leader who became a Punjab-based Pakistani Taliban commander in 2007), and he certainly won’t be the last

PESHAWAR: Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) leader and member Taliban negotiating committee, Professor Ibrahim has appealed Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and the army for making dialogue process successful, Geo News reported.Addressing Tribal Jirga in Peshawar here Thursday, Professor Ibrahim said the army and Taliban are real parties and if the military wants, the dialogue process would become successful. He appealed both TTP and the military to lay down their arms.He also asked both the parties for ceasefire in respect of the sacred month. ( Kitna Kamsim orr Naadan hai yeh Mullah) JI leader said if the Islamic articles of the constitution were implemented, they gave assurance that Taliban would accept the constitution. “We organized a meeting between government committee and Taliban shura in which process of confidence building began”, he added.Ibrahim said the judiciary is a major part of the constitution, however, the people of Fata are deprived of its benefits.
Forced conversions of Hindu girls in the land of the pure commenced in the 1970s or, to be more specific, at the time when our former prime minister, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, ruled the country. It should also be noted that forced conversions, where the ‘immature and mature’ Hindu girls would be converted against their will, would rarely surface in interior Sindh at the time of Mr Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s government.When the dictator General Ziaul Haq (1977 to 1988) toppled Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s government in a military coup in 1977, he largely altered the educational curriculum in the country, teaching us intolerance towards other religious minorities, particularly the Hindus. During the dictatorial days of General Ziaul Haq, our textbooks fostered prejudice against the Hindus and often portrayed them as inferior along with other religious minorities. Also, the religious minorities were described as extremists and very little reference in the textbooks was made to the role played by them. As a result, forced conversions of Hindu girls also began to intensify during the same period. And, to this day, it has been going on with celerity in the land of the pure.
In the past, forced conversions of Hindu girls would not garner such attention because the media was not free. However, cases in recent years have been coming under discussion in the national media. An example is the case of Rinkle Kumari, which was taken up at the highest level by the Supreme Court (SC) of Pakistan through a suo motu notice. Interestingly, it happened at a time when the media highlighted her case.What is more astounding is the recent report issued by the Movement for Solidarity and Peace in Pakistan (MSP). It reported that as many as 1,000 girls, aged 12 to 25, 70 percent of them Hindu and 30 percent Christian, are abducted yearly, forcefully converted to Islam by their captors, married off to men who usually rape them and, simultaneously, force them into prostitution and human trafficking. More so, the people behind these inhumane and barbaric practices have not been brought to book by our government. Our founder, Muhammmad Ali Jinnah, promised the minorities their due rights. Our constitution too promises them protection but, despite this, they have been living under siege.Although forced conversions of Hindu and Christian girls are constantly on the rise in Sindh and Punjab, these cases are gradually and slowly gripping the other two remaining provinces: Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. For instance, Leela Ram, daughter of Kundan Das, was forcefully married off to a man who abducted her and later on converted her. Besides Leela Ram, there have been eight more cases of forced conversions of Hindu girls in various districts of Balochistan.Tahir Hussain Khan, who is the head of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) in Balochistan, said that he himself has handled one of the cases of forced conversion of a Hindu girl called Neenam Kumari in court. Peshawar, the provincial capital of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, also witnessed Hindu schoolteacher Sapna Rani’s forced abduction when she was returning home. A man put an intoxicant-doused cloth over her mouth and she fainted. She was rescued after two weeks of her abduction by the police but her abductors escaped. Hindu girls’ education on all levels is affected by these forced conversions. One Hindu doctor, who requested not to be named, told this writer, “Despite knowing the value and significance of education, we cannot send our daughters to schools and colleges due to the fear of forced conversions. They are sitting at home despite having a great penchant for education.”
The HRCP has raised concerns over forced conversions and has warned of an increase in such cases in its report, ‘Perils of Faith’. It has also stated in its report that Pakistan’s Hindu community, unlike other religious communities, does not have a codified Hindu personal law in Pakistan that they can follow to regulate matters such as marriage, divorce, etc. In the absence of a codified Hindu personal law for the marriages of Hindu women, there have been cases where already married Hindu women have been converted. Sadly, the families of married Hindu women had no proof that would persuade the court that they were already married.The number of forced conversions of our religious minorities, particularly the Hindus, is intensifying in the land of the pure. Also, in the past, cases of forced conversions only surfaced in Sindh. Now, however, these incidents are taking place in every nook and corner of the country. The government needs to take notice of the forced conversions of its minority communities. They are not only peaceful and love their country but have also contributed to its prosperity since inception.

Four ASSES, more likely, since the pakis are bent on making asses out of the world lending community. Borrow from one source to pay off another. This is what their finance managers are recommending? Who are they trying to fool? No senior lender will allow themselves to bought out prematurely without a penalty clause or settlement of exit based on PV of future discounted payments.Peregrine wrote:...The vision of Pakistan's development challenges around the four ES “Energy, Economy, Extremism and Education”...
It has been a bad week for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s pretensions of being entitled to lecture the Non-Mohammadden world on perceived Mohammadden Oppression in Jammu & Kashmir, Palestine, Kosovo, Myanmar and elsewhere owing to her wholly misplaced belief that the Non-Mohammadden world can be conned into believing that the Islamic Republic has an acceptable record on human rights and freedom.arun wrote:The Islamic Republic of Pakistan scores heavily in the “People Under Threat” 2014 Index. The “Peoples under Threat” index identifies those countries around the world where communities face the greatest risk of genocide, mass killing or systematic violent repression.
In 2014 the Islamic Republic of Pakistan came in within the 10 highest rated countries at 7th position being beaten by Somalia, Sudan, Syria, D.R.Congo, Afghanistan and Iraq and in turn beating out Myanmar, Ethiopia and Yemen.
Interestingly Pakistan which had been vociferously complaining about human rights violations in Myanmar was rated worse than Myanmar. 7 of the 10 highest rated countries are preponderantly made up of adherents of Mohammaddenism.
Extract from the report regards the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:
Read it here:While the deadly conflict in Pakistan with Islamist armed groups in the north-west draws most international media attention, the threat of ethnic or sectarian killing reaches across the country. This includes risks from interethnic political violence in Sindh, sectarian clashes between Deobandi and Barelvi militant groups, violent repression of Baluchi activists in Baluchistan, continued persecution of Christians and Ahmadiyya, and an exterminatory campaign against Hazara and other Shi’a across the country waged by Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Sahaba and the Pakistani Taliban, which claimed the lives of hundreds of victims last year.
Peoples under Threat 2014
The answer is in the following pdf which actually deals mainly with Pakistan's nukesanupmisra wrote:Four ASSES, more likely, since the pakis are bent on making asses out of the world lending community. Borrow from one source to pay off another. This is what their finance managers are recommending? Who are they trying to fool? No senior lender will allow themselves to bought out prematurely without a penalty clause or settlement of exit based on PV of future discounted payments.Peregrine wrote:...The vision of Pakistan's development challenges around the four ES “Energy, Economy, Extremism and Education”...
Actually add fifth and sixth "ASSes" to that list - Exploit and Entrap
The Pakistani army WILL be propped up by the west.One attempt to systematically look at collapse scenarios in Pakistan anticipated a requirement of one million troops to keep nuclear material from leaving the country, and concluded that, “it points to the critical importance of doing whatever is possible to prevent the collapse in the first place.”
Peregrine wrote:...The vision of Pakistan's development challenges around the four ES “Energy, Economy, Extremism and Education”...
anupmisra Ji :anupmisra wrote:Four ASSES, more likely, since the pakis are bent on making asses out of the world lending community. Borrow from one source to pay off another. This is what their finance managers are recommending? Who are they trying to fool? No senior lender will allow themselves to bought out prematurely without a penalty clause or settlement of exit based on PV of future discounted payments.
Actually add fifth and sixth "ASSes" to that list - Exploit and Entrap

The commission doubted in its report that the US claim of disposal of OBL’s body was ambiguous as it did not match with the facts. However, the commission endorsed that OBL was killed in May 2 operation of US Naval Seals. The blood samples of OBL matched with his family members who were living with him in the compound at the time of his death.
So how long does it take to get DNA test results?The American claim can only be correct if they have any technology of doing DNA test in less than eight hours, which may not be known to the world as yet.
I retract my words in part after reading right up to the last chapter of that pdf.shiv wrote: Pakistan's nuclear future - reining in the risk
This is one more place where I have to admire the US. The number of research papers on a collapsing Pakistan is large - so a lot of people have studied it from a US interest point of view. India is still too busy with far more mundane fights.
The US is being advised to seek the separation of ethnic dissidence from Islamic extremism.The offer of ethno-linguistic autonomy within the framework of a federal Pakistan can become a powerful
countermagnet to Islamist nationalism in FATA and NWFP, and even more so in Balochistan, where the struggle for self-determination is mainly of the older variety. Greater regional autonomy will allow Pakistan to isolate these regions, and the benefits that flow from separating Islamic extremism from ethnic dissidence will benefit the whole country.
Apparently in pakhanistan, 72 hours. First you have to find the right father, then make him volunteer to donate a sample, then put a gun to the head of the testing agency to hurry up, then to get and manipulate the results, then to publish it officially and then to destroy all samples. That should take 72 hours. One hour per houri.saip wrote:So how long does it take to get DNA test results?
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At least 10 people died of suffocation and eight others fell unconscious on Friday while passing through a water channel which carries chemical waste from industries mainly from Chasma Sugar Mills-2 to the Indus River.
Pilgrims or Pigremlins trying to enter India?
However, it has declined to finance the much-needed 4,500MW Diamer-Bhasha Dam during the next fiver years (2015-2019)., Pakistan faced a serious setback, as the WB’s CPS 2015-2019 did not include financing of the Diamer-Bhasha Dam that has the capacity to produce 4,500MW electricity to bridge the widening demand and supply gap of electricity.Addressing a press conference through a video link from Washington, World Bank Country Director for Pakistan Rachid Ben-Messa-oud said the government should give independence to NEPRA towards determining power tariff, and that there was no connection between the approval of the loan and the increasing power tariff. Giving details of the assistance, the World Bank country director said that the WBG had approved a package of assistance worth $1 billion to support Pakistan’s economic reforms. Talking about the assistance of $1 billion, the country director said that $600 million (with additional co-financing support of the Asian Development Bank and the Japan International Credit Agency) supports Pakistan’s goal of developing an efficient and consumer-oriented electric power system that meets the needs of its people and economy, sustainably and affordably. It is expected that $1 billion would be transferred to Pakistan during the next week, and it will increase Pakistan’s forex reserves substantially. The WB loan will incur 2% interest per annum and the Government of Pakistan would be saving net 10.5% in payment of interest on Rs 100 billion. Resultantly, there will be no net increase in the overall public debt.
Moving ahead after the attack
By Raza Rumi
Published: May 2, 2014
oh so Raza Rumi has left Pakistan.Much has happened in the last month. Halfway, I had to leave the country given the sense of insecurity that surrounded my daily life and the potential power of those who attempted to kill me.
Facepalm. Pakistan army just showed civilian government its place. Has he been living under a rock?All said and done, the buck stops at the door of the civilian government(s). They will have to ensure that the security environment improves.
KNOWN more for generating asylum-seekers than receiving them, Sri Lanka is providing shelter to growing numbers of would-be refugees from Pakistan. Twice a week the pews of the Holy Rosary church in Negombo, just north of Colombo on Sri Lanka’s west coast, are filled with Pakistanis attending the country’s only Urdu mass, conducted by a Sri Lankan priest. More than 1,000 Christians flock there on festive occasions, says Father Eric Lakman, who worked in Pakistan for 15 years.
Sri Lanka’s attraction for the asylum-seekers is that they can enter the country on 30-day tourist visas, obtainable online, and stay on after registering with the UNHCR, while their cases are examined. Sri Lanka does not allow them to settle, but the process often takes up to two years. The UNHCR in Colombo, which has to record and cross-check each applicant’s story, is ill equipped to handle so many cases. To date, only 125 have been recognised as refugees.
Barred from working, and with their children out of school, many Pakistanis rely on handouts from churches and mosques. Every week the priest at another Catholic church in Negombo supplies needy Christians with biscuits, rice, noodles and other provisions. It is not enough for families such as that of Jameel Parvaiz, a 48-year-old Methodist pastor with eight children, who fled Pakistan 15 months ago. His wife, who has a bullet in her leg from 2012, when gunmen attacked their prayer centre, recently suffered a stroke.
It takes 72 hours for Pakis because first 24 hours is spent gathering up the four witnesses without whose presence any sequencing is deemed invalid. It takes 24 more hours to send it to europe to get it sequences and another 24 hours to prepare a statement that Osama Bin Laden is not in Pakistan.saip wrote:OBL mystery refuses to die
The commission doubted in its report that the US claim of disposal of OBL’s body was ambiguous as it did not match with the facts. However, the commission endorsed that OBL was killed in May 2 operation of US Naval Seals. The blood samples of OBL matched with his family members who were living with him in the compound at the time of his death.So how long does it take to get DNA test results?The American claim can only be correct if they have any technology of doing DNA test in less than eight hours, which may not be known to the world as yet.
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partha wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/703278/movi ... he-attack/
Moving ahead after the attack
By Raza Rumi
Published: May 2, 2014oh so Raza Rumi has left Pakistan.Much has happened in the last month. Halfway, I had to leave the country given the sense of insecurity that surrounded my daily life and the potential power of those who attempted to kill me.
Facepalm. Pakistan army just showed civilian government its place. Has he been living under a rock?All said and done, the buck stops at the door of the civilian government(s). They will have to ensure that the security environment improves.

whoa!! blank space for me too! Here is article from google cache:Peregrine wrote:
partha Ji :
The EXPRESS TRIBUNE has been WHITEWASHED!
If you have the Article then please Post it in FULL.
Thanks in Advance
Cheers
The writer hosts a show on Express TV and works as a consulting editor at The Friday Times
It has been a month since I survived a lethal attack aimed to silence me forever. The support of my family, friends and colleagues has been monumental in dealing with the trauma, especially that of seeing young Mustafa die — an unfortunate victim of the bullets that the assailants fielded for me. The Punjab Police have reportedly apprehended a gang that has been carrying out such activities. It remains to be seen if the creaky, dysfunctional criminal justice system will deliver justice. Nevertheless, the efforts of the police have been commendable in tracing and arresting the alleged attackers.
Much has happened in the last month. Halfway, I had to leave the country given the sense of insecurity that surrounded my daily life and the potential power of those who attempted to kill me. The issue of journalists’ security remains a huge question mark for the government in power as another colleague from Geo TV was brutally attacked on April 19. The core issues since then have been sidelined and the politics of blaming Pakistan’s premier intelligence agency has overshadowed everything else. Is there freedom of speech in Pakistan? How much of it is granted and what are the lines that cannot be crossed by journalists?
The divided media industry is more of a threat to media workers now. I do remember that the assassination attempt on me and the death of a young man from a poor family and a sole breadwinner, did not move the Jang Group in the least. For that matter, what was happening to Express Group invited almost no coverage or debate from other channels. I did not follow the media coverage much as my trauma was too intense to monitor such developments.
Geo has tried to make amends and has mentioned the attacks on Express (including me) only when one of its staffers was attacked and its controversial reporting on the ISI invited widespread adverse reactions in print, electronic and most notably social media. This is somewhat encouraging but much more would need to be done by all stakeholders in moving towards safeguarding the freedoms that the Pakistani media has earned after a long struggle and countless sacrifices.
The response of the government and the prime minister has also been curious. I am not a conspiracy theorist who would jump to the conclusion that the ruling party is backing a particular channel and its tirade against the ISI. However, it is intriguing that in the case of Express Group no such alacrity was shown by the prime minister. This group has been attacked almost half a dozen times — how many rewards have been announced for identifying the killers? How many speedy, high-powered commissions have been set up to investigate who terrorise the media workers? I write these lines in my personal capacity and am not speaking for the group as such. Yet, as a citizen and a politics watcher, I cannot help but wonder if the four loss of innocent lives from Express Group were not worthy of the prime minister’s attention. Most importantly, I have been struggling to set up a fund for my slain driver’s family, but there has been no compensation announced for his family by either the provincial or the federal government. Was he not a victim of terror? Or should his family name the ISI as the potential attacker to gain sympathy and action?
The government is in charge of Pakistan’s security and as clichéd as it sounds, there can be no escape from this bare fact. Sadly, it has been wavering on this front. Moreover, when it comes to media workers’ plight, it is the responsibility of the government to act and show that decisive steps have been taken.
Is it unfair to expect that the government of the day would take stock of the dire situation that prevails with respect to journalists’ safety? In 2013, eight journalists were killed and in 2014 four have been killed so far. Are these innocent lives so unimportant that they don’t move the elected officials? Media freedoms differentiate an authoritarian regime from a democratic one and for all the rhetoric of trying Musharraf and burying dictatorships, these facts show that the democracy we live in is far from perfect.
I am not an apologist for the way our media houses operate. Their own failings to protect and insure staffers are all too well known. More so, the apparent lack of unity in the ranks of the media industry is alarming. Currently, many media outlets are trying to outdo each other in terms of their respect and patriotism towards national institutions. The conduct of some colleagues has also been questionable and betrays the declining values of our society. Our pluralistic and humanistic legacies are seriously under attack and the media is only reflecting what is happening in the society at large.
All said and done, the buck stops at the door of the civilian government(s). They will have to ensure that the security environment improves. One wonders whatever happened to the National Internal Security Policy and its implementation? The provincial governments have no excuse to not usher in long delayed police reforms and now that political activism of the Courts has halted, perhaps, it is time to look at the millions of trials that await adjudication. For how long we shall remain beholden to non-state actors who kill civilians and uniformed men with impunity?