Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 06 May 2014 20:25

^^SanjayC

I don't think the BJP government will treat them any differently... Only thing that will change is that they will not receive preferential or deferential treatment, and they won't get any interviews unless they become less partisan and subjective... This is true in any democracy, and in any administration.

The Modi government will not be vindictive, vengeful or vicious towards those who have been all that towards the BJP in general and the prime minister to be in particular. That is how the next administration will set its imprint, by positive example. Be sure of it.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 06 May 2014 20:27

re media iview-I'll not be surprised if Modi ends up talking to BDutt
I saw Amit Shah giving iview to NDTV 2 days back
I see all BJP leaders on ghinona channels like CNNIBN in spite of party's decision otherwise
Modi's interview to ToI when Times House has been most virulent Modi baiters
sorry but I expected more spine from them

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 06 May 2014 20:29

JE Menon wrote:^^SanjayC

I don't think the BJP government will treat them any differently... Only thing that will change is that they will not receive preferential or deferential treatment, and they won't get any interviews unless they become less partisan and subjective... This is true in any democracy, and in any administration.

The Modi government will not be vindictive, vengeful or vicious towards those who have been all that towards the BJP in general and the prime minister to be in particular. That is how the next administration will set its imprint, by positive example. Be sure of it.

Will Rajdeep be questioned about his 52 crore rupee bungalow in Lutyens?

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 06 May 2014 20:39

IndraD wrote:re media iview-I'll not be surprised if Modi ends up talking to BDutt
I saw Amit Shah giving iview to NDTV 2 days back
I see all BJP leaders on ghinona channels like CNNIBN in spite of party's decision otherwise
Modi's interview to ToI when Times House has been most virulent Modi baiters
sorry but I expected more spine from them

When judiciary destroys NDTV,TOI for money laundering, Modi should be able to stand aside and say "Law will take its own course" with a smile

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 May 2014 20:42

maybe the idea is to first deprive the dynasty of its visibility and support structure in MSM.

feed the smaller fish and gain target vectors against the bigger ones. the small ones can be controlled/reprogrammed/nabbed later.

Namo does not seem like a naive human.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 06 May 2014 20:49

JE Menon wrote:^^SanjayC

I don't think the BJP government will treat them any differently... Only thing that will change is that they will not receive preferential or deferential treatment, and they won't get any interviews unless they become less partisan and subjective... This is true in any democracy, and in any administration.

The Modi government will not be vindictive, vengeful or vicious towards those who have been all that towards the BJP in general and the prime minister to be in particular. That is how the next administration will set its imprint, by positive example. Be sure of it.

Vajpayee govt was the same but they did not have the numbers and it was the first time. With numbers on the BJP side, and some lessons learnt over the last 15 years, things should work out better. .

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 06 May 2014 20:57

Nope, Vajpayee biggest mistake was to trust the establishment (Babus, secret agencies, media, even political appointees like BM....) that is beholden to congress. Wasn't there article that eyerack oil for food deal done during congress time to benefit Familia continued even during NDA regime (they did not have clue), or how a secular babu of central IAS training institute would have courses which IAS wallas get training, that was openly hostile to BJP, right under their noses in Dlehi, Or the secret info wallahs....well you get the drift.
Modi needs his own team. And I hope he does not impose his personal Dharma on the Dharma of the PM. He may be inclined to forgive a guy (like say Prannoy Roy for cheating 5000 carore along with Chidambram), but as a PM he is duty bound to punish him and he must.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 06 May 2014 21:00

fanne wrote:Nope, Vajpayee biggest mistake was to trust the establishment (Babus, secret agencies, media, even political appointees like BM....) that is beholden to congress. Wasn't there article that eyerack oil for food deal done during congress time to benefit Familia continued even during NDA regime (they did not have clue), or how a secular babu of central IAS training institute would have courses which IAS wallas get training, that was openly hostile to BJP, right under their noses in Dlehi, Or the secret info wallahs....well you get the drift.
Modi needs his own team. And I hope he does not impose his personal Dharma on the Dharma of the PM. He may be inclined to forgive a guy (like say Prannoy Roy for cheating 5000 carore along with Chidambram), but as a PM he is duty bound to punish him and he must.

Vajpayee never felt the need to suspect the people in your list because he himself was one of them.

member_27582 · Post by **member_27582** » 06 May 2014 21:01

Shamlee wrote:[quote
Samjdhar ko ishara kafi hai!!

Do you really think Sagarika is samajdar?[/quote]

At least She seems to think so!!!!!

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 06 May 2014 21:02

Talking of IAS one of the first things that need course correction is the selection policy for higher administrative services. In the 10 years of UPA trash, all sorts of maoists, marxist leninists and other assorted sikulars and pseudo sikulars (think YY) have been permitted entry. Engineers and other professionals are deliberately denied entry by making their elective papers tougher and also by means of stricter markings. The playing field just needs to be leveled. The new govt doesn't owe JNU madrassa any damn thing.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 06 May 2014 21:03

abhijitm wrote:
ramana wrote:That is one posible reason Neroyanan is the Governor there.
I was actually hoping Modi to reinstate MKN as NSA.

i certainly hope not, MKN was a horrible NSA and responsible for the defanging of the IA

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 06 May 2014 21:04

EC takes up AAP complaint regarding Modi’s marital status

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/ec-ta ... 11239.html

Why is the EC even bothering to address these complaints?

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 06 May 2014 21:08

fanne:due to lack of numbers and the dependencies 'had to use' not 'chose to '...but as I said lessons, am sure, have been learnt. And much more has happened over 10 years post that. So this time it should be better...though one needs to wait another 10 days.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 May 2014 21:12

I hope the HRD Ministry comes up with an extensive and intensive program of teaching "Bharatiya Studies" and it is made mandatory for any aspiring IAS, IPS, IFS ...!

Nehruvian Secularism needs to be totally erased in India's Operating System!

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 06 May 2014 21:20

Between Attitude and Aptitude, choose always the Attitude. If a person attitude is bad (as in willing to compromise, look at MMS), no amount of aptitude will help. Anyone who has worked under Con or benefited from it, his attitude is questionable. To start with he should import babus from Gujarat, MP and other places, people who are Bhartiya first and rest later. As Modi himself joked, sarkar chalani hai car nahi ( a driver has it tough), you do not need to solve complex differential equation, you just need the moral compass to guide yourself and others to the right direction. He should pick no one from the current UPA!! unless he is making a red team.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 06 May 2014 21:21

I hope SC bares all the information about the snooping case out for all to see. One person's personal information isn't reason enough when it comes to a question about misuse of state machinery. Nobody will care about the woman herself in a couple of days if the SC finds that the gujarat govt did nothing wrong with their snooping. The sickulars will turn to something else to try and beat modi with. With election results coming out, this might be the best time to get this nonsense done and dusted. I don't suppose we want a govt that hides simple things like for the sake of 'honour of a woman'. Far more serious issues are at hand here.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 06 May 2014 21:23

modi himself has explicitly and repeatedly said that his primary focus would be on getting the economy back on track and clear the huge backlog of decisions not taken due to 'policy paralysis'. reg past scams, his answer has been law will take its course.

so we won't be seeing the TN kind of plays where karunanidhi jailed JJ and JJ jailed him back when she was CM. We will see cases already in progress being pursued and new cases being slapped where evidence is attained and usable in courts.

i don't think and i sure hope that modi won't be spending his energies on this. need him to focus on economy, getting bureaucracy in line and setting platform to carry out his agenda etc.

someone like subbu swamy is best for getting the dirt on scams and slapping cases etc.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 06 May 2014 21:25

Also posted in other thread

Fellow BRFites,
just confirmed this with eye-bee guys.
Chief Election Com SG of WB has cut a deal with Didi's TMC.
price tag 10 cr.
A property worth 9 cr near Dhanbad and 1 cr. cash.
Entire deal has been taken care by KD Singh to look after the 3rd and 5th phase of polling
in WB.
Can some BRFites pass this info to NaMo camp, and see look out for the property near Dhanbad.
...
A lot of dealings are going on between EC and TMC with wink wink from Madam Maino to stop NaMo rath.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 06 May 2014 21:26

fanne: He will have the luxury of it if the current outlook holds..let us see; am sure there are untainted and good people from across the country. MMS was a stooge with no power - so dont compare.

Anyway 10 more days and will soon know..

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 06 May 2014 21:39

Kati wrote:Also posted in other thread

Fellow BRFites,
just confirmed this with eye-bee guys.
Chief Election Com SG of WB has cut a deal with Didi's TMC.
price tag 10 cr.
A property worth 9 cr near Dhanbad and 1 cr. cash.
Entire deal has been taken care by KD Singh to look after the 3rd and 5th phase of polling
in WB.
Can some BRFites pass this info to NaMo camp, and see look out for the property near Dhanbad.
...
A lot of dealings are going on between EC and TMC with wink wink from Madam Maino to stop NaMo rath.

What can they do at this stage?

Any one with media links put some pressure on this?

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 06 May 2014 21:41

vivek.rao wrote:
Kati wrote:Also posted in other thread

Fellow BRFites,
just confirmed this with eye-bee guys.
Chief Election Com SG of WB has cut a deal with Didi's TMC.
price tag 10 cr.
A property worth 9 cr near Dhanbad and 1 cr. cash.
Entire deal has been taken care by KD Singh to look after the 3rd and 5th phase of polling
in WB.
Can some BRFites pass this info to NaMo camp, and see look out for the property near Dhanbad.
...
A lot of dealings are going on between EC and TMC with wink wink from Madam Maino to stop NaMo rath.

What can they do at this stage?

Any one with media links put some pressure on this?

Or send it to Subramanian Swamy.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 May 2014 21:50

I found this awesomely artworked version of Mahabharata on youtube called 18 days in short episodes, all episodes are online.

here the moral ponderings of Bheesma, awesome demi-god that he is ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF1TJUIpU0g

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 06 May 2014 22:02

vishant chaudhary wrote:In amethi rally pepole broke the baricades and shook hands with namo.
His security is so stressed...

Was watching video of him just after he got off helo. What looked like 2-3 local nobodies broke thru guard cordon with ease and placed garlands/touched his feet leaving guards looking befuddled. Modi looked genuinely surprised and p!ssed as this seemed like a major breach. The bad guys are looking for things like this--brief security lapses in unexpected places. Hope he brought this up with the right people.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 06 May 2014 22:05

Grant Morrison & Mahabharata - interesting!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 May 2014 22:08

Kati wrote:Also posted in other thread

Fellow BRFites,
just confirmed this with eye-bee guys.
Chief Election Com SG of WB has cut a deal with Didi's TMC.
price tag 10 cr.
A property worth 9 cr near Dhanbad and 1 cr. cash.
Entire deal has been taken care by KD Singh to look after the 3rd and 5th phase of polling
in WB.
Can some BRFites pass this info to NaMo camp, and see look out for the property near Dhanbad.
...
A lot of dealings are going on between EC and TMC with wink wink from Madam Maino to stop NaMo rath.

so my CPIM source was correct after all !
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1640908

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 06 May 2014 22:13

..little viking-europeonized illustrations but still fun ..(ignoring the accent)

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 May 2014 22:15

tweet them! send it across the globe!

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 06 May 2014 22:16

Singha wrote:I found this awesomely artworked version of Mahabharata on youtube called 18 days in short episodes, all episodes are online.

here the moral ponderings of Bheesma, awesome demi-god that he is ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF1TJUIpU0g

Produced by Gotham (used to be "Gautam"

) Chopra, son of Deepak Chopra. Nice idea well done though.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 06 May 2014 22:21

What happened . Suddenly Doggy Raja has vanished from Media limelight. Has he taken paternity leave from Congi High command?

Names of tow more Rangelas care to be revealed. Any idea when it will be revealed? We already know about Singhvi, these names are someone else's

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 06 May 2014 22:23

high command must have told him to stop barking, otherwise he as a person is completely shameless and least bothered about shooting his mouth off every 5 minutes.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 06 May 2014 22:25

gandharva wrote:
fanne wrote:Nope, Vajpayee biggest mistake was to trust the establishment (Babus, secret agencies, media, even political appointees like BM....) that is beholden to congress. Wasn't there article that eyerack oil for food deal done during congress time to benefit Familia continued even during NDA regime (they did not have clue), or how a secular babu of central IAS training institute would have courses which IAS wallas get training, that was openly hostile to BJP, right under their noses in Dlehi, Or the secret info wallahs....well you get the drift.
Modi needs his own team. And I hope he does not impose his personal Dharma on the Dharma of the PM. He may be inclined to forgive a guy (like say Prannoy Roy for cheating 5000 carore along with Chidambram), but as a PM he is duty bound to punish him and he must.
Vajpayee never felt the need to suspect the people in your list because he himself was one of them.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... es-away-2/

vajpayee must have felt they would go after his family too.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 May 2014 22:28

Karan M wrote:high command must have told him to stop barking, otherwise he as a person is completely shameless and least bothered about shooting his mouth off every 5 minutes.

even if high command barks, the sensory perception is that these commands are already going below the ground level.

only for documentation purposes to nail the CnC later on. keep them on the loop, and nail them at every oppty.

so they started with burning files..
now their CnC is going below radar...

what is next?

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 06 May 2014 22:30

RamaY wrote:
James B wrote:Sickular presstitutes getting pretty desperate

I hope someone correct her... it should be "Best PAID journalists"

My response. Feel free to to tweet.

"Best" Paid journalist are busy in bed with their Handymen. No time to spare for real reporting.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 May 2014 22:40

Shamlee wrote: Or send it to Subramanian Swamy.

One person who is going to play fast volleys would be him!
Shall we say popcorn and beer times to come soon.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 06 May 2014 22:54

Interesting perspective

When Modi attacked Sonia or ridiculed Rahul, they could not defend themselves because no one had sympathy for these two.

So SONIA pulled the VODKA girl, put on a saree and left in Amethi to attack Modi.

Every Modi criticism has been distorted as attack on my family, my daddy, my kids etc.

The nautanki has been covered by SCUMS of PAIDMEDIA again and again as Modi vs. Priyanaka.

Even a LIE was made up about his interview on DD that he said this Vodka girl is like his daughter. Ms. VODKA did not even leave that unofficial remark.

Now Modi goes to Amethi, attacks Sonia, Rahul, Rajiv and Priyanaka for being condescending to lower castes like Sitaran Kesri.

So PAPPNI comes back, cries about martyr daddy and calls neechi politics.

Modi hits back, twists the statement the way CONGIS and Ahole media is doing and calls that she is insulting him because he is backward caste politician.

Look at how quickly Modi's team learned what PAPPINI and CON PAIDMEDIA is doing. Twist any statement of Modi as attack on her family.

Now... any statement of PAPPINI is twisted as arrogance ITALIAN MAFIA against lower CASTES.

The strategy is so powerful that Daliat MAFIA Queen Maya came out to defend PAPPINI.

Awesome going for Team Modi.

This is like Chanakya neeti

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 06 May 2014 23:00

Arun Shourie on CNN-IBN
http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/470051/mus ... ourie.html

amritk · Post by **amritk** » 06 May 2014 23:13

Prem Kumar wrote:My new fartickle

EC orders Sun to stop rising till May 16. Orders FIR against Karunanidhi

Just tweeted it: https://twitter.com/VogonPoem/status/463520304141053952

Noticed that NDMN's election symbol is the same as RM's.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 06 May 2014 23:24

atanu bhuyan ‏@atanubhuyan 5m
Minister Siddique Ahmed's clean chit to Modi. BTAD forest dept involved in BTAD killing! Kampha Borgoyari in charge of forest in BTC #assam

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 06 May 2014 23:48

Whats happened to Rudy Pratap Singh? No longer see him on TV.

BTW: 24 hours elapsed since Modi threw an open challenge to the Dynasts, INC about development issues in Amethi: Bijlee, Roads, Water, treatment of AP CM, PVNR. Not a single MSM channel on those issues. Not one. Instead discussing a rhetorical issue that will create only noise. The level that Sagarika, Barkhas, Rajdeeps, Karan Ts, Arnabs have taken MSM is so abysmal, i doubt their credibility will be restored any time soon. And they consider themselves India's 'best' journo's?

Modi was right in todays interview. They just allege, not criticize. In a democracy criticism including mine is most welcome, i either learn or correct myself. But nowadays they just make allegations (what we refer to scoot and shoot journalism).

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 06 May 2014 23:49

Biggest Threat to India. Terrorists and their sponsors in CON,SP,BSP,JD(U),RJD,Kerala parties...

Terrorists and their political 'godfathers'

Yasin Bhatkal’s deputy Tehsin Akhtar is the nephew of Janata Dal-United leader Taki Akhtar.

The relationship between terror operatives and politicians is a murky one. Rediff.com’s Vicky Nanjappa explores

Is India’s war on terrorism thwarted by politicians and the dirty politics of communalism?

According to Intelligence Bureau sources, terrorists often get away due to their alleged links with political circles.

The IB has often suspected that in West Bengal a political party has doled out support to the Bangaldesh-based radical outfit Jamaat-e-Islami and Chattra Shibir. In Kerala, political parties allegedly go easy on members of the banned Students Islamic Movement of India, whereas in Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, the India Mujahideen and in Hyderabad the Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami find support, an intelligence officer told rediff.com.

In an attempt to pressure investigators, arrested terrorists often throw big political names at them. Indian Mujahideen operatives Faizan Ahmed Sultan alias Faizan Azmi, Yasin Bhatkal, Tehsin Akhtar have all tried this trick after their arrests, but in vain, an investigating officer pointed out.

IM founder Bhatkal and his deputy Tehsin attempted to use their alleged connection with Taki Akthar, a Janata Dal-United leader from Samastipur, Bihar. Taki is reportedly the uncle of Tehsin, who masterminded the Patna blasts serial blasts which occurred in and around the Gandhi Maidan where Bharatiya Janata Party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi addressed a rally last October. Taki Akthar has, however, denied all connection to Tehsin.

Faizan Ahmed Sultan, who was recently deported from Sharjah, told National Investigation Agency officials during his interrogation and even at the time of his arrest that he had worked in a travel agency with with Samajwadi Party leader Abu Azmi in 1985

T Nasir, a suspected Lashkar-e-Tayiba terrorist and an accused in the 2008 Bangalore blast, would often meet up with Abdul Naser Madani, a politician from Kerala, also an accused in the case, the chargesheet filed in the case said. After orchestrating the blasts, Nasir went into hiding at Madani's office. Nasir also confessed that he knew the Muslim leader quite well, according to an investigating officer. Madani was arrested in 2010 in the blasts case and is currently under detention.

IM operative Syed Maqbool, who allegedly recced the Dilsuknagar area in Hyderabad before the blasts in February last year, had once been granted amnesty by the Y S Rajasekhara Reddy government of Andhra Pradesh in a criminal case, on the plea of Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen leaders including Asaduddin Owaisi.

An IB official told rediff.com, "The link could be direct or indirect, but terrorists often use political connections. There is solid intelligence to suggest that they meet some of these politicians. However, these meetings are not always to discuss terror.”

When terrorists are questioned they tend to drop big names. But we have to be careful in such cases, as these operatives are not always telling the truth,” a Delhi police officer said.