Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
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I would say revive the Saraswati project of ASI and put 1000 Cr in the hands of MMJ and ask him to put the universities to work on this project from all possible angles - Genetics, Archeology, Archeo-Astronomy, Linguistics Reverse Spin , Sanskrit Revivalism.
Ask Sushma ji to be the face for the inevitable rounds of social/academic get-togethers this would require.
Give these two a target of ensuring the Final Solution of all "Kala-Angrezi Voodoo that gets controlled from JNU" that goes on in India. These older people when properly equipped can be quite unsparing in their stubbornness.
Tell MMJ that JNU would be MMJU in the 4th year if progress is shown. Else, Kansas is going bye bye.
For LKA the Speaker --> Prez route seems reasonable. However there is a danger of him not being in the best of moods in 2019. No fun there. Better to put the older guys to good use today instead of hoping for a better tomorrow with them. Speaker --> Ambassador is a better route for him. He discovered his love for Pakis, not for the Chinese. He can be our Ambassador to China in the year 2018 if his speakership is shubh for us. Screw the chinese with the most taciturn old man you can find, unless the chinese begin to behave by 2018.
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Put VKS in charge of Indigenisation of Defence production and Amit Shah in charge of BJP party prezidentship without any ministry.
Ask Sushma ji to be the face for the inevitable rounds of social/academic get-togethers this would require.
Give these two a target of ensuring the Final Solution of all "Kala-Angrezi Voodoo that gets controlled from JNU" that goes on in India. These older people when properly equipped can be quite unsparing in their stubbornness.
Tell MMJ that JNU would be MMJU in the 4th year if progress is shown. Else, Kansas is going bye bye.
For LKA the Speaker --> Prez route seems reasonable. However there is a danger of him not being in the best of moods in 2019. No fun there. Better to put the older guys to good use today instead of hoping for a better tomorrow with them. Speaker --> Ambassador is a better route for him. He discovered his love for Pakis, not for the Chinese. He can be our Ambassador to China in the year 2018 if his speakership is shubh for us. Screw the chinese with the most taciturn old man you can find, unless the chinese begin to behave by 2018.
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Put VKS in charge of Indigenisation of Defence production and Amit Shah in charge of BJP party prezidentship without any ministry.
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Now BJD leaves doors open for further alliance
BJD chief Naveen Patnaik non-commital on supporting NDA
However NaMo has already indicated that he would like to develop Second and third tier cities in Eastarn region such as Patna,Bhubaneshwar, Gauhati, Ranchi as bulwork of economy in those region. Kolkata also needs to be developed like other metros. So he can announce a separate scheme for select few cities and give it as special package.
If NDA gets clear majority, other parties may be coopted as part of wider ecosystem if they pledge to support NDA agenda and their legitimate aspirations and demands should be given sympathetic ears if it furthers NDA objectives.
BJD chief Naveen Patnaik non-commital on supporting NDA
They want special status for Odisha, how ever thiss is going to open pandora's box. Since Bihar will give absolute confidence to BJP why should they suffer and not get special status? This will be played by Nikuamma in the impending election. It is must for BJP to win Bihar Assembly so that in future it gets MP for Rajya Sabha from Bihar as it needs to build majority there as well by 2017.NEW DELHI: Odisha chief minister and BJD supremo Naveen Patnaik on Wednesday remained non-committal on supporting NDA in government formation at the Centre.
"No talks at all. We have not discussed anything. We have not thought of it yet. Let us wait till the results," he said.
Patnaik's comment come after speculation about talks between BJP and BJD for their possible support to the NDA if it forms the government at the Centre.
BJD was an partner of NDA but parted ways just before the 2004 Lok Sabha polls. A senior BJD leader had on Tuesday indicated conditional support to NDA in government formation at the Centre.
"Keeping in view the opinion of the whole country and the state's interest, there should be no problem in providing conditional support to NDA to form government at the Centre," BJD's chief whip Pravat Tripathy had said.
Senior BJD leader Jay Panda, however, said the matter needs to be discussed within the party and a call on this will be taken by the party supremo.
"On this issue, Pravat Tripathi has suggested that conditional support can be given but this is an issue which needs discussion inside the party and ultimately the party leaders and president Naveen Patnaik will take the final call," Panda said.
Meanwhile, senior BJD leader Pinaki Mishra expressed confidence that his party will get more than ten seats in Parliament and also get a comfortable majority in the assembly elections to form the government for the fourth term.
"We will get 16-17 seats in the Parliament out of 21. The BJP in Odisa will get maximum one or two. The Congress will be wiped out. We will get more than 100-105 out of 147 in the assembly and comfortably form a government for the fourth time under Naveen Patnaik's leadership," he said.
He, however, hoped that whichever government comes to power at the Centre, it will be "less hostile and discriminatory" towards Odisha.
"We are hopeful that whichever the new government is will be less hostile and discriminatory towards Odisha," he said.
Training his guns at the Congress, Mishra said he Congress-led UPA government at the Centre had been very "hostile" towards the state.
"Congress has been very hostile for the last ten years because they do not get votes in Odisha so they have decided to discriminate against its people. This is a vicious cycle because now they are reaping a bitter harvest because of this step motherly treatment and they are being kept out of power for the fourth consecutive term," he added.
However NaMo has already indicated that he would like to develop Second and third tier cities in Eastarn region such as Patna,Bhubaneshwar, Gauhati, Ranchi as bulwork of economy in those region. Kolkata also needs to be developed like other metros. So he can announce a separate scheme for select few cities and give it as special package.
If NDA gets clear majority, other parties may be coopted as part of wider ecosystem if they pledge to support NDA agenda and their legitimate aspirations and demands should be given sympathetic ears if it furthers NDA objectives.
Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Can Patniak be assimilated in the BJP??
Or is that a discussion for another thread.
Or is that a discussion for another thread.
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PP is all over TV fawning over NaMo short of chanting NaMo mantra. That fellow and his boss SP of NCP , who is retainer of DCompany, are taboo. They are too much in bed with anti India interests.
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PP and Adil Shah are desperate to save their behinds and so the genuflections.
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Patnaik is very individualistic politician with mind of his own like Nikuamma and JJ. No team player. Likely to desert at the most opportune time. He is born of dienastic politics albeit regional one. These regional satraps should be used and coopted for furthering the agenda and not assimilated. Others in his party could be to build strong leadership bulwark against regional satraps. NaMo is essentially a team player and he would like someone who is team player and not the brilliant writer.Pratyush wrote:Can Patniak be assimilated in the BJP??
Or is that a discussion for another thread.
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Another bong commie, what's new. Typically, roaring fire against "Hindu communalists" while shamelessly sitting in Delhi doing a job as economic refugee coz she couldn't find one back home, and oblivious to her own backside on fire as Islamists capture her sonar bangla. Doesn't matter -- she already would be having plans to send kids to settle in US, they too roaring fire against Hindu fundamentalists. Are these people for real?IndraD wrote:
This particular babe also mocked Marwaris as people with "black hearts" yesterday, which lead me to breathe fire on her.
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I hope one post per day will NOT invole any admin actions.
Many moons ago, in year 2006 or so, I had written a post ion orkut (I am trying to dig that post out) that
===== summary of that orkut post I had made in 2006 =====
1. in 2000, ABV became secular, globalist and pro-MNC and so BJP started projecting LKA as Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi and nationalist so that Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist stick around, waste their time and energy and dont work to create any alternative
2. in 2003, LKA became PM-candidate and so he became secular, globalist and pro-MNC . And so BJP started projecting NaMo as Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi and nationalist so that Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist stick around, waste their time and energy and dont work to create any alternative
3. And in the same orkut post of year 2006, I had predicted that by the time NaMo becomes PM candidate or PM, NaMo too will become secular, globalist and pro-MNC, anti-Swadeshi, and so to keep Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist glued, BJP will ask some other leader to take a Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi, Nationalist etc posture.
==== end of that orkut post =====
Well, that leader is Amit Shah.Amit Shah will now take Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi, Nationalist etc posture, so that Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist activists in VHP, BJP, RSS etc stick around with high hopes, waste their time and energy and dont work to create any alternatives
Many moons ago, in year 2006 or so, I had written a post ion orkut (I am trying to dig that post out) that
===== summary of that orkut post I had made in 2006 =====
1. in 2000, ABV became secular, globalist and pro-MNC and so BJP started projecting LKA as Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi and nationalist so that Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist stick around, waste their time and energy and dont work to create any alternative
2. in 2003, LKA became PM-candidate and so he became secular, globalist and pro-MNC . And so BJP started projecting NaMo as Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi and nationalist so that Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist stick around, waste their time and energy and dont work to create any alternative
3. And in the same orkut post of year 2006, I had predicted that by the time NaMo becomes PM candidate or PM, NaMo too will become secular, globalist and pro-MNC, anti-Swadeshi, and so to keep Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist glued, BJP will ask some other leader to take a Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi, Nationalist etc posture.
==== end of that orkut post =====
Well, that leader is Amit Shah.Amit Shah will now take Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi, Nationalist etc posture, so that Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist activists in VHP, BJP, RSS etc stick around with high hopes, waste their time and energy and dont work to create any alternatives
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sushma as MEA ?? please no !niran wrote:fikar not saar, this has been the plan since 1-1.5 years ago and me had posted about it here when the thread was in 2 digits onree.Sumeet wrote:I agree with whoever said LKA should be President. Can someone tweet this idea to BJP leadership and Mrs Lekhi ?
(no one pats me back!! will do a self pat) susuma most proily will be videsh mantra with a mandate to visit each and every country
within an year. so she will be absent from MSM :mucho relief on ears, no?
we need a hardnosed but suave person to take our foreign policy forward. sorry, I do not have confidence in sushma to handle that. AJ's name is floating around for that and he would be a good choice IMO.
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AJ - foreign minister
YS - finance (he has done it before)
VKS - defence MOS
AS - minister for destruction of vice and promotion of indic virtues.
SS - education ?
Namo should retain defence, outsource to VKS to extend possible as he gains in confidence...
YS - finance (he has done it before)
VKS - defence MOS
AS - minister for destruction of vice and promotion of indic virtues.
SS - education ?
Namo should retain defence, outsource to VKS to extend possible as he gains in confidence...
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If NDA is comfortably over 272, Patnaik can be asked to join only if he backs constitutional amendments. Otherwise there is no use for him. He is similar to Nitish in ideology. Besides if the BJP is going to do well in OR as some exit polls are suggesting it can come up as an alternative in that state. If NDA is under 272 then of course it is a different matter.
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Apparently SS wants "honourable" ministries like Defence, Finance, External Affairs or Home. She should get none of these. If she ever manages to get Defence there is no way in hell Modi gets my vote in 2019. I'll even vote for the pAAPis.
Modi needs to concentrate on
1. Economy
2. Defence
3. Agriculture
4. Promotion of Indic values
So SS cannot be close to MoD/EAM, MoF, Agriculture ministry or I&B/HRD/Education. What, then, is left for her?
Modi needs to concentrate on
1. Economy
2. Defence
3. Agriculture
4. Promotion of Indic values
So SS cannot be close to MoD/EAM, MoF, Agriculture ministry or I&B/HRD/Education. What, then, is left for her?
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Actually MEA is mostly a decorative position, other than making decisions on postings of Ambassadors. If Sushma is MEA, she would be high-profile but mostly neutralized.
In many ways Sushma Swaraj would mostly be working as a message boy or girl between various world leaders and NaMo.
Most of the Foreign Policy is going to be made in PMO, and security matters with other countries would be dealt by NSA and Defence Minister. Matters that matter for example trade etc. can be done by Commerce Ministry and various states themselves.
Some of key relationships between India and the world would probably be dealt with NaMo personally, especially countries like Japan!
So I am in favor of making Sushma Swaraj as Minister of External Affairs.
Even though USA has a much more active foreign policy, even Obama contained his competition Hillary Clinton to State Dept. Sure foreign policy of USA in India got screwed but so what!
In many ways Sushma Swaraj would mostly be working as a message boy or girl between various world leaders and NaMo.
Most of the Foreign Policy is going to be made in PMO, and security matters with other countries would be dealt by NSA and Defence Minister. Matters that matter for example trade etc. can be done by Commerce Ministry and various states themselves.
Some of key relationships between India and the world would probably be dealt with NaMo personally, especially countries like Japan!
So I am in favor of making Sushma Swaraj as Minister of External Affairs.
Even though USA has a much more active foreign policy, even Obama contained his competition Hillary Clinton to State Dept. Sure foreign policy of USA in India got screwed but so what!
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AS as HM. YS is originally a convert from the socialist school. May need someone more aggressive.Singha wrote:AJ - foreign minister
YS - finance (he has done it before)
VKS - defence MOS
AS - minister for destruction of vice and promotion of indic virtues.
SS - education ?
Namo should retain defence, outsource to VKS to extend possible as he gains in confidence...
SS was the one who pushed FDI in Media and opposed NM for PM. She is very pally with the Cong-left. She should be given a minor ministry. If she wants to leave the BJP thats fine.
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Now Chinese media takes notice
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 112374.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 112374.cms
BEIJING: Narendra Modi, widely tipped to be India's next Prime Minister, may show flexibility in economic ties with China but also "create new problems", a Chinese daily said on Wednesday.
"Modi is expected to present a tougher stance on political disputes but take a 'more flexible' economic policy towards China," the Global Times quoted analysts as saying.
The article, by Global Times writer Yang Jingjie, was on "India's restrictive policies barrier to trade with China".
The article said Modi, chief minister of Gujarat, "is famed for his pro-business approach and has made four trips to China to woo Chinese investment".
"In a 2011 issue of The Economist, Gujarat was described as 'India's Guangdong', as the state accounted for 5 percent of India's population, 16 percent of its industrial output and 22 percent of its exports."
The article cited Fu Xiaoqiang, a research fellow with the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, as saying that "judging from Modi's governance in Gujarat, he places emphasis on infrastructure development, attracting investment and the establishment of special economic zones".
"Economic development and improving people's livelihoods are expected to be high on his agenda once he is elected prime minister," Fu was quoted as saying.
"There is the possibility that he will expand Sino-India economic and trade cooperation and seek more Chinese investment."
According to the Chinese government data, India's trade deficit reached $31.4 billion against China in 2013.
Hu Zhiyong, a research fellow with the Institute of International Relations at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, said this imbalance could not be reversed in the short term.
"Once Modi takes office, he is expected to exhibit some flexibility in economic policy with China but will also create some new problems on bilateral trade frictions."
China's current foreign direct investment in India stands at $940 million.
According to Hu, the shortfall resulted from India's politicization of economic issues.
"Compared with capital from the US, Japan and South Korea, India has taken a more cautious and restrictive policy toward Chinese investment."
The barriers imposed by Indian authorities had led to a withdrawal of most small and medium-sized Chinese companies from the market in India's tech hub Bangalore, Hu said.
"There are also so-called security concerns over Chinese investment, which has led to denials of major investment by telecom giant Huawei in the country."
At the same time, the article pointed out that Modi had taken a hard line towards China politically.
"The BJP has long held a hardline position towards China. Modi will no doubt inherit the party's stance. He will be tougher against Beijing and use border disputes, the Tibet question and the Dalai Lama to bargain with China," Hu said.
But Fu sounded more optimistic vis-a-vis China-India relations.
"The two countries have reached a border defence cooperation agreement (in October 2013) and both maintained that the disputes should be solved through negotiations," Fu said, adding that the border disputes could be controlled and would not threaten bilateral cooperation in other areas.
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piyush goyal is said to be the frontrunner for FM, it is not known whether YS would even be in the cabinet.
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Yashwant Sinha isn't contesting elections this time. His son Jayant Sinha is doing so instead from Hazaribagh, Jharkhand. So YS would not be an MP.Rahul M wrote:piyush goyal is said to be the frontrunner for FM, it is not known whether YS would even be in the cabinet.
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Very nice! This will work to soothe her ego too she'll think "hmmm like obama made hillary as secretary of state; NaMo makes me MoE!" Yup good.RajeshA wrote:Actually MEA is mostly a decorative position, other than making decisions on postings of Ambassadors. If Sushma is MEA, she would be high-profile but mostly neutralized.
In many ways Sushma Swaraj would mostly be working as a message boy or girl between various world leaders and NaMo.
Most of the Foreign Policy is going to be made in PMO, and security matters with other countries would be dealt by NSA and Defence Minister. Matters that matter for example trade etc. can be done by Commerce Ministry and various states themselves.
Some of key relationships between India and the world would probably be dealt with NaMo personally, especially countries like Japan!
So I am in favor of making Sushma Swaraj as Minister of External Affairs.
Even though USA has a much more active foreign policy, even Obama contained his competition Hillary Clinton to State Dept. Sure foreign policy of USA in India got screwed but so what!
What about SSwamy? I think Vinod Khanna should also be given some good post, he and his wife are both known to work hard.
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The Largest Election in the History of the Largest Democracy in the World
April 27, 2014
The Largest Election in the History of the Largest Democracy in the World
By Janet Levy
The longest and most expensive election in India's history began April 7th and will conclude May 12th at a cost of more than $5 billion. To manage the large electorate -- estimated at 815 million -- and address security concerns in the world's largest democracy, the election to seat 543 members of the 16th Lok Sabha, or lower house of the Parliament, is running in nine segments over five weeks. The results will also determine who will rule the world's largest democracy as prime minister. The victor will ultimately be the party winning the most Lok Sabha seats, a minimum of 272.
Top issues in India's elections are perennial -- government corruption, nepotism and economic growth -- but also playing a major factor is the burgeoning Islamization of the country. The bulk of India's population, around 80% Hindu, is concerned about past government policies that appear to have favored Muslims. The most popular candidate for prime minister, Narendra Modi, has been painted for years as virulently anti-Muslim in an effort to undermine his political power during years of dedicated government service as Chief Minister of the state of Gujarat. He has been the subject of eight-years of rigorous investigations and most recently by India's Supreme Court-appointed Special Investigation Team (SIT), which found no wrong doing on his part, and he has been legally exonerated of all framed charges in 2010. Yet, he has been denied a U.S. visa, despite this lack of proof. The outcome of the elections in India will help determine if the country will slide further under Muslim influence or pursue a path toward democracy and away from preferential laws for Muslims.
Those preferential laws were created under the rule of the Indian National Congress (INC), or "the Congress." Formed in 1885, the party played a major role in freeing the country from British colonial rule in 1947. But, in more modern times, the pro-Muslim Nehru-Gandhi dynasty, has lost support. As the economic growth of India has slowed significantly, government corruption has become rampant and infrastructure deficiencies abound. Modi, a statesman of the country's other major political party, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), has pledged to institute good governance, end corruption, boost economic growth, and adopt a uniform civil code to foster equal gender justice and equality for Indian Muslim women who are currently governed by Sharia law.
Modi and Gujarat Riots
Although he is clearly the popular favorite for prime minister, Modi must contend with fallout from ongoing Hindu-Muslim strife in India. A major cause of that strife was the defunct Babri Mosque, which was provocatively built by Muslims in 1527 over a Hindu sacred site in Ayjodhya believed to be the birthplace of the Hindu Deity, Rama. A study released later by the Archaeological Society of India concluded that excavations revealed distinctive features of a massive, 10th century Hindu temple and the existence of human activity at the site as early as the 13th century B.C. (The violent conversion of non-Muslims' places of worship into mosques is common worldwide and there is historically documented evidence that at least 2000 mosques in India have been forcibly built on top of demolished Hindu temples at sacred sites). (See Chapter 10 and Appendix of this online book at this link: http://www.voiceofdharma.com/books/htemples1/ )
Conflicts over the Ayodhya site occurred numerous times over the years and culminated in 1992 with the razing of the abandoned mosque structure by a gathering of over 1.1 million Hindu volunteers who had assembled there for a rally. Violence then broke out across India and more than 2,000 people died, as Muslims used the demolition of Babri Mosque as an excuse for ongoing terrorist attacks ever since.
Ten years later in early 2002, during a pre-planned terror attack at Godhra train station in Gujarat, a mob of 1500 armed Muslims, led by their co-religionist leaders of the Congress party, had looted and locked down a train filled with unsuspecting Hindu pilgrims returning from Ayodhya and set the women-only passenger carriage on fire, murdering 59 Hindus, mostly women and children. In the aftermath of this gruesome massacre, there were subsequent attacks by triumphalist Muslim mobs against Hindu civilians in several other cities. In spite of robust efforts by the police and army to quell violence some riots between Hindus and Muslims ensued for less than 72 hours before subsiding completely.
Modi, who had just begun serving his first year as chief minister of Gujarat while simultaneously dealing with the aftermath of a deadly 2001 earthquake (that killed around 20,000 people, injured 167,000 and destroyed nearly 400,000 homes in his state), was falsely accused by his political opponents of encouraging the violence or turning a blind eye to the incident. Their contrived allegations were a potent mix of Goebbelsian propaganda that involved exaggerating the number of Muslim victims, ignoring the large numbers of Hindu victims (who constituted a third of the casualties) and fabricating witnesses with the malicious intent of making Modi the political scapegoat for the violence. Despite being cleared by a state court and the Indian Supreme Court in 2010 of any blame for the 2002 riots in Gujarat, where he still serves as chief minister, Modi continues to be refused a visa by the United States since 2005 due to lobbying by Islamic, Leftist and Christian conservative groups. Thus, he has been effectively banned from the United States, a ban supported by the current pro-Muslim Indian government.
The U.S. visa ban has made Modi, who has since been threatened with assassination and subject to slanderous attacks, more popular in India. He is admired for his leadership in providing relief and rebuilding following the earthquake that devastated the Kutch region of India. He is also credited for economic growth in his state of Gujarat.
If elected, it is hoped he will pursue the agenda of RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh), a national patriotic organization of which he is a member and which pledges to uphold Indian culture and values. RSS goals include the rebuilding of the Ram Temple, protection of cows -- sacred for Hindus -- from rustling and slaughter, and the revoking of Article 370 of the India constitution. That law grants special autonomous status to the Muslim majority states of Jammu and Kashmir.
Continuing Attacks against Modi
Popular with the Hindu majority, Modi has nonetheless been heavily maligned as being "communal," a "Hindu fundamentalist," or a "racist." These descriptors are bandied about for Modi much the way that conservatives, especially Christians, are falsely labeled and harangued in the United States. Reminiscent of the attacks on Jews and their quest to return to their ancestral land of over 4,000 years or "Zionism," RSS goals are risibly compared to Nazi ideology. The sting of fundamentalism taints Hindu groups, although Hindus have never engaged in anything resembling a jihad (or Crusade) to spread their religion as the only true or righteous faith. Yet, appearing as a "proud Muslim" is deemed innocuously inoffensive and termed "secular." In fact, "secularism" in India has come to serve as a euphemism for "anti-Hindu," pro-Muslim and pro-Christian.
Adding to the current tense political climate, statistics on India's religious population from the 2011 census, have been purposely withheld until after the election for fear of sparking riots. Hindu leaders and demographic pundits opine that the Hindu population of the country has fallen below 80% and the Muslim population has increased to close to 20% as a result of unbridled birth rates of the latter.
Meanwhile, U.S. government officials, masquerading as proponents of religious freedom, have attempted to influence the Indian election by undermining Modi's candidacy with false accusations of Hindu-perpetuated violence. Two congressmen introduced H.R. 417, a bill to require India to create a government watchdog body made up of Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, and Zoroastrians to insure that minorities are provided with special protections, such as their own minority courts designed to redress their particular grievances. This appears to be a veiled invitation for shariah since Muslim interests tend to bulldoze the interests of other minorities in India.
These two congressmen have strong ties to Islam. Keith Hakim Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, swore his oath of office on a Koran, and has addressed meetings of Hamas-linked CAIR whose members have made individual donations to his campaign. Congressman Joseph Pitts was in the news for receiving campaign contributions from Ghulan Nabi Fai – a lobbyist funneling money from the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), the Pakistani intelligence service accused of aiding and abetting Islamic terrorist groups worldwide. The FBI indictment cleared Pitts of any wrongdoing, as he was unaware of the source of Fai's funding.
Ellison and Pitts' proposed legislation also calls for the Indian government to focus specifically on Hindu-perpetuated violence; although 80% of attacks in 2013 were attributed to Indian Mujahideen (Islamic terrorists) and the rest to other Islamic and Maoist terror groups. And the bill would continue the current visa ban for Modi.
The sudden and mysterious emergence of the well-funded candidate, Arvind Kejriwal, a member of the fledgling, Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) which he created in 2012, has raised suspicions among political pundits. Kejriwal is believed to be funded by the CIA through the Ford Foundation, which issued a significant grant to his NGO, Kabir. (A declassified letter from 1957 signed by then CIA Director Allen Dulles establishes the link between the CIA and the Ford Foundation).
While still a public servant, Kejriwal was granted $80,000 and $250,000, respectively, by the Ford Foundation, which is illegal. In 2006, he received money from the World Bank as well as the Ford Foundation-conferred Magsaysay Award. In addition, the Washington, D.C.-based Association of Indian Muslims of America, which has been raising funds and issuing advertisements for his party, is represented by its Executive Director Kaleem Kawaja whose article Brother, Can you spare a tear for Taliban is in contrast to his day-job as a NASA employee.
Kejriwal, who has courted the Muslim vote, received praise from the Pakistani media and online contributions from Pakistan to his AAP. Kejriwal has taken a decidedly anti-India stand on the Kashmir conflict, a dispute between India and Pakistan over control of the Kashmir region where Muslims live under separate laws and Hindus are not allowed to purchase land or property. Kejriwal has also called for clemency for the convicted Mumbai massacre terrorist, Ajmal Kasab. Kejriwal, and his supporters were recently detained by Gujarat police after attempting to disrupt the BJP office, with stone throwing and property destruction. In 2011, Kejriwal met with Imam Tauqueer Raza Khan, who issued a 2006 fatwa to behead U.S. President George W. Bush and feminist author Taslima Nasreen for espousing women's rights. As the AAP candidate, Kejriwal has spoken against "communalism" or Hindu nationalism and referred to it as a greater threat than government corruption. His fellow AAP leader, Shazia Ilmi, a female Muslim TV news anchor, has been recorded on a video just this week at a political meeting inciting Muslims to be more "communal" (fundamentalist) and less secular.
Growing Islamization
These would seem to be the personal political views of individual candidates were it not for the growing Islamization of India. National security is a major concern with a significant increase in Islamic terrorist cells, including Al Qaeda, and a commensurate increase in attacks against Hindus and Hindu holy sites. The borders with Pakistan and Bangladesh have become less secure as more and more Muslims from both countries enter illegally to rape and kidnap Hindu women, commit cross-border attacks and beheadings of Indian soldiers, and rustle and/or slaughter cattle.
Remarkably, at least 20 million Muslims entering India from Pakistan and Bangladesh have managed to vote illegally in Indian elections; some even running for office with the assistance of Muslim-appeasing politicians. The majority of India's citizens worry about the corruption among the police, intelligence and military, mostly in the form of concessions to Muslims to win vote banks, and how this has made it difficult to maintain law and order and adequately protect Hindus. Many Indian citizens want the discriminatory Communal Violence Bill, believed to have been part of a strategy to win Muslim votes, rescinded because it specifically targets Hindus, under the guise of protecting minorities. Hindus contend that the current Muslim-appeasing government has not adequately prosecuted the horrific 2008 Mumbai attack as part of a concerted plan to retain Muslim block votes.
Hindus see the growing Islamization of their country aided by pro-Islamist government policies, changing demographics due to higher Muslim birthrates, polygamy, and illegal immigration among Muslims, as well as dawah or proselytizing and forced conversions to Islam. As politicians in Muslim majority areas seek election, they appeal to the Muslim community with special programs and concessions. They typically grant approval to build new mosques, institute job preference quotas, and provide IDs, citizenship certificates, and entitlement payments to Muslims and even engineer the release of Muslim prisoners.
In India, civil codes exist that favor Muslims so that laws are not applied equally to all citizens. Currently, Muslims receive government grants and enjoy complete freedom to manage their religious institutions. The Indian government funds annual trips to Mecca or the Muslim Hajj pilgrimage for tens of thousands of Muslims. By contrast, the government drains Hindu temples of all their pilgrims' donations under the pretext of managing them and no programs exist to fund religious expeditions by Hindus. Further, a large percentage of university slots and job allocations are reserved for Muslims and Christians in most Indian states, and the educational system fails to emphasize the importance of Indian history, the contributions of Hindus, the study of Sanskrit, and the Hindu religion, even though India is a majority Hindu nation. In addition, anti-conversion laws are rarely enforced and illegal, forced conversions are not typically criminally prosecuted.
Thus, Modi's candidacy offers hope to stem the tide that is fast Islamizing India. If the popular Modi can overcome the obstacles in his way and become the next prime minister of India, he would help restore Hindu confidence in the nation's government, help ease tensions, and perhaps reduce the Hindu-Muslim conflicts that plague India now. But factionalization of the political system along religious lines could prove to be a spoiler to this end. And if the United States continues its interference in the Indian elections, the results could actually provide the opposite end sought by America and the West. India has long been an important ally sharing an extensive cultural, strategic, military, and economic relationship with the United States since the end of the Cold War. India's strategic location between East and West makes it crucial to stemming Islamic aggression in the Free World. Continued interference could forebode disastrous results for both nations. It is a choice that the United States' administration and foreign policy experts must make judiciously.
Ravi Raghavan, MS, an intellectual entrepreneur, political observer and social activist on issues relating to the US, Middle East and the Indian Subcontinent contributed to this story.
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Dorrnob is discussing SuperNDA after getting bloody nose on ORG Polls and PollofPolls nonsense. If there is any casualty in General Election it is that of Dorrnob's Honesty and Integrity.
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This is super crap. I thought he would talk about how large this exercise is and how peacefully conducted etc and that it is a triumph of democracy. instead he is talking about the usual nonsense. The intellectual Pimp, he is.
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^10 for no SS as IB Ministry. She stole the joy from my youth.VikasRaina wrote: Sirr MMJ ko bana denge ; phir Astha jaise 10 channel aur dekhne padenge.
I propose Ratan Tata for President. Our only Non Political president was the most popular and non controversial one in recent memory. RT has done more for the country than MMJ and LKA put together.
^100 for RT as President. Great PR coup, acceptable face for balancing any fall outs of Nationalistic Govt in power. He is articulate, hell after a long time we can have a President who would be of use. It will send out a loud and clear message across the world that India is a non-discriminatory country where honesty and achievement are celebrated and India is open for business.
Only con is his origins in business- scope of accusations of unfair influence of business on power, sold out to big business and the fact that there maybe information leakage.
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Who??chaanakya wrote:This is super crap. I thought he would talk about how large this exercise is and how peacefully conducted etc and that it is a triumph of democracy. instead he is talking about the usual nonsense. The intellectual Pimp, he is.
The author is a female Janet Levy
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Where did you find nonsense except for some technical error?chaanakya wrote: This is super crap. I thought he would talk about how large this exercise is and how peacefully conducted etc and that it is a triumph of democracy. instead he is talking about the usual nonsense. The intellectual Pimp, he is.
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You kidding? It is the first article that lays out the reality in India in stark terms without resorting to the mealy mouthed stuff about poor Muslim victims of Godhra etc.chaanakya wrote:This is super crap. I thought he would talk about how large this exercise is and how peacefully conducted etc and that it is a triumph of democracy. instead he is talking about the usual nonsense. The intellectual Pimp, he is.
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^ Yeah only bullshit in that article was about INC fighting for Indian independence. Gh@nt@ fight.
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chetak wrote:Who??chaanakya wrote:
This is super crap. I thought he would talk about how large this exercise is and how peacefully conducted etc and that it is a triumph of democracy. instead he is talking about the usual nonsense. The intellectual Pimp, he is.
The author is a female Janet Levy
Ravi Raghavan, MS, an intellectual entrepreneur, political observer and social activist on issues relating to the US, Middle East and the Indian Subcontinent contributed to this story.
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The great gasbag err anglophile, Swapan Dasgupta was mocking Madhu Kishwar on twitter & making snide jabs, along with this lady as I recall. Called Kishwar a mad woman in Bengali, as I recall.
As mentioned earlier, many in the Dilli gang appear completely compromised. I find Kanchan Gupta @ niticentral to be much more hardnosed than Dasgupta.
As mentioned earlier, many in the Dilli gang appear completely compromised. I find Kanchan Gupta @ niticentral to be much more hardnosed than Dasgupta.
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I don't RMji. Your conspiracy stories come after the fact and you twist facts to your arguments.Rahul Mehta wrote:I hope one post per day will NOT invole any admin actions.
Many moons ago, in year 2006 or so, I had written a post ion orkut (I am trying to dig that post out) that
===== summary of that orkut post I had made in 2006 =====
1. in 2000, ABV became secular, globalist and pro-MNC and so BJP started projecting LKA as Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi and nationalist so that Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist stick around, waste their time and energy and dont work to create any alternative
2. in 2003, LKA became PM-candidate and so he became secular, globalist and pro-MNC . And so BJP started projecting NaMo as Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi and nationalist so that Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist stick around, waste their time and energy and dont work to create any alternative
3. And in the same orkut post of year 2006, I had predicted that by the time NaMo becomes PM candidate or PM, NaMo too will become secular, globalist and pro-MNC, anti-Swadeshi, and so to keep Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist glued, BJP will ask some other leader to take a Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi, Nationalist etc posture.
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Well, that leader is Amit Shah.Amit Shah will now take Hinduvaadi, Swadeshi, Nationalist etc posture, so that Hinduvaadies, Swadeshi and nationalist activists in VHP, BJP, RSS etc stick around with high hopes, waste their time and energy and dont work to create any alternatives
Advani was hardliner but as HM he prove he is not capable of hardline actions. BJP did not make him soft. He decided with help of Sudheer Kulkarni that if he appeases media, he will get allies. Jaswant Singh and Advani played that card by spewing nonsense on Jinnah or playing nice with Pakistan. Modi/Shah were as they were in 2002. Bit careful but tough on appeasement/terrorism.
Modi/Amit Shah will be a team.
Good cop & Bad Cop;
Vision & Execution
Strategy & Ground work
If you focus on your policies instead of trying to fit facts to your conspiracy theories, you have good strength. Why don't you focus on it?
You can always initiate debate on your poli
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Attn: muraliravi
All in all, there are REASONS why census-2011 data was suppressed by Sonia and decision was supported by NaMo. This isnt routine delay.
Please see RajeshA's reason why BJP didnt demand census-2011 data.Rahul Mehta : In case of NaMo , there is 5% reality. eg Gujarat has better electricity, less corrupt admin etc.But the FACT that paid-media didnt ask question to NaMo on Kashi Vishvanath Devalaya, census-2011, Reliance gas price increase, failing municipal schools in ahmedabad, Krishna Janambhoomi, BJP's unkept promises to expel Bangladeshi in 1996/1998 etc shows that paid-media was paid NOT to ask these questions. And this was done to ensure that NaMo doesnt look bad. ..... .
muraliravi: How many times do I have to explain to you that both 1991 and 2001 census were released in sep 1994 and sep 2004 respectively. Why would 2011 census be an exception, looks like you just want to parrot your pet statements with no basis. ....
Rahul Mehta : .... And RSS-apex refused to provide solutions to Bangladeshi mess and also refused to give newspaper-advt to publicize the fact that Sonia has suppressed religion/language numbers in census-2011.
RajeshA : Rahul Mehta ji,
It is one thing that keyboard generals like us here on BRF (I know you are of a different mettle - you are a true general), we write about solutions, at least make suggestions. We talk big about ways to solve even the Islamic curse on India. There may or may not be merit to all these suggestions but at least they are made.
It suffices to say that there are forces in India, to the tune of almost 200 million strong, who if they want, they can finish off the Indian state in no time, like a swarm of locusts. There is too much explosive power in this swarm. One cannot have on the one hand a healthy strong India competing with other powers of the world, and on the other one enmeshed in a civil war. The infection can be cured only slowly but steadily, by nibbling at the many pillars which keeps the monster standing.
So official Hindutva has transformed into a platform which has toned down its rhetoric, as it was felt that rhetoric comes in the way of power, and lack of power comes in the way of solutions. When the demand of the hour is Taqiyya, what you are often demanding is Drafts. Why would one want to produce a draft of a solution to illegal Bangladeshi immigrants and thus sabotage any promising solution?
Now, I am NOT pitting you against RajeshA or vice versa. All I want you to know that NaMo has deliberately supported Sonia Gandhi's decision to suppress census-2011. RajeshA cites some good reasons. IMO, the reason is different. The reasons are --- if everyone comes to know that % population of Christians in Gujarat has increased from 1.5% in 2001 to 5% in 2011, and that % population of Muslims in Gujarat has increased from 9% to 12%, then it would become clear to all that Moditva is 100% non-solution.Rahul Mehta : why BJP leaders didnt demand release of religion data till date.
Hints :
1. Who benefits if data had come in jan-2012
2. Who benefits if data had come in jan-2014?
3. Who benefits if data had come in jun-2014?
4. Who has power to force BJP MPs to remain silent?
RajeshA:
It's one thing to have the data, it's another thing to have a plan what to do with it! Such data cuts both ways. If the Hindus are shown to have shrunk to say 70%, then there is going to be a huge uproar and the whole narrative would change to the conversion race and demographic explosion! Would BJP want to run in Lok Sabha elections with conversion being the sole focus? They would not be able to avoid that once the data comes out. It is going to be very divisive. So would that be better suited to run an election campaign on? Hardly.
The claim of Hindus that India belongs to them and they have the right to determine the course of India's destiny is often based on the fact that still 80% of Indians are Hindus. Does Hindutva want to jeopardize that? Hardly. If a huge increase in conversion is shown, again organizations like VHP would have to answer for it, why have they allowed such proselytization. Why are they sitting on their lazy butts? Would they want to answer that? Hardly.
There is only one plan. Get power and then try to change the situation from inside, try to win back lost territory from that vantage point, and try to do that without causing whole of India to explode.
All in all, there are REASONS why census-2011 data was suppressed by Sonia and decision was supported by NaMo. This isnt routine delay.
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Piyush Goyal- FM
Yashwant Sinha-DM
AJ-MEA
SS-railways
Amit Shah-Internal Security
Commerce-paswan
MMJ-HRD
Telecom-?
Mines-?
fertlizer?
industry?
roads - khanduri
Agriculture?
science ?
Yashwant Sinha-DM
AJ-MEA
SS-railways
Amit Shah-Internal Security
Commerce-paswan
MMJ-HRD
Telecom-?
Mines-?
fertlizer?
industry?
roads - khanduri
Agriculture?
science ?
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Title is misleading to say the least. It just rehashes old topics about NaMo elevation in this election . The whole agenda was that of development and good governance and fight against corruption and here this fellow says it is largest election in the world and how: 2002 riots??? Is that all he could conjure up from his musharraf. This article , in the garb of neutral analysis tries to project the same perception perpetrated and propagated by Congis and MSM. It is trying to tell that NaMo would be communal and Muslims have much to fear. I don't recall any of the statements made by NaMo ( forget others) where he has said any of the things that this writer subtly tries to inject into our perception. Its a National Perspective for NaMo and not Hindu vs Muslim perspective. For him Hindu is not a religion and he quotes Supreme court judgement to silence MSM and here this friendly article comes and tells us what he actually denies. Don't fall for such article.Supratik wrote:Where did you find nonsense except for some technical error?chaanakya wrote: This is super crap. I thought he would talk about how large this exercise is and how peacefully conducted etc and that it is a triumph of democracy. instead he is talking about the usual nonsense. The intellectual Pimp, he is.
It is about Bharat that is India. NaMo has as much right to him as to any ordinary citizen of this country. That much he has made clear.
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He is addressing the 2002 riots and the context head on, without any of the mealy mouthed apologia we have seen from multiple sources earlier. Whether anyone likes it or not, 2002 is the stick NaMos opponents will continue to use 24/7 irrespective of the reality. This article confronts the history of what happened head on and explains it to a foreign audience, who is also aware of the virus of Islamist extremism.
Glad to see, for once, a perspective that doesn't portray Hindus as demonic killers victimizing the poor folks who accidentally burnt down a train full of extremists (as noted by the great Guardian).
Glad to see, for once, a perspective that doesn't portray Hindus as demonic killers victimizing the poor folks who accidentally burnt down a train full of extremists (as noted by the great Guardian).
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Singha wrote:AJ - foreign minister
YS - finance (he has done it before)
VKS - defence MOS
AS - minister for destruction of vice and promotion of indic virtues.
SS - education ?
Namo should retain defence, outsource to VKS to extend possible as he gains in confidence...
I think the ministries should go to leaders in 40-50yrs with ealder leaders leading different multi-party commissions (Finance, Foregin Affairs, Defense, Education, River Linking commission etc).
Image is very very important in current world, especially in the young India. We need suave, young & articulative and most importantly unapologetic nationalist leaders in ministerial positions.
I recommend Piyush Goyel, M.Lekhi, Smriti Irani, Asifa Khan, Saina, Nirmala Sita Raman, Gujral, VKS and forgot that name but he was on NDTV representing BJP in Varanasi, Amit Shah etc.,
We also do not need more than 15-20 ministries. Beyond the key ministries like Internal Security, Defense, Finance, Foreign affairs, infrastructure like areas, everything else should be goal based ministries.
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Defence is going to see a lot of projects reaching the take off stage, involve a lot of money and a make or break season for Private sector defence production. VKS and NaMo together can work wonders here. Who does DRDO report into - Science & Tech Ministry or Def. Min.?
NaMo retaining defense is a good idea. Will achieve closer coordination and direct responsibility will ensure that touts can be avoided. I don't see an ex-forces officer ever land up at PMO or before VKS offering 'services'.
Not protecting turf here could embolden the opposition to mess up all defense acquisitions by motivated accusations.
NaMo retaining defense is a good idea. Will achieve closer coordination and direct responsibility will ensure that touts can be avoided. I don't see an ex-forces officer ever land up at PMO or before VKS offering 'services'.
Not protecting turf here could embolden the opposition to mess up all defense acquisitions by motivated accusations.
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Suave and image is one thing. But competence another. Folks like Sinha, Shourie etc are competent.RamaY wrote:Singha wrote:AJ - foreign minister
YS - finance (he has done it before)
VKS - defence MOS
AS - minister for destruction of vice and promotion of indic virtues.
SS - education ?
Namo should retain defence, outsource to VKS to extend possible as he gains in confidence...
I think the ministries should go to leaders in 40-50yrs with ealder leaders leading different multi-party commissions (Finance, Foregin Affairs, Defense, Education, River Linking commission etc).
Image is very very important in current world, especially in the young India. We need suave, young & articulative and most importantly unapologetic nationalist leaders in ministerial positions.
I recommend Piyush Goyel, M.Lekhi, Smriti Irani, Asifa Khan, Saina, Nirmala Sita Raman, Gujral, VKS and forgot that name but he was on NDTV representing BJP in Varanasi, Amit Shah etc.,
We also do not need more than 15-20 ministries. Beyond the key ministries like Internal Security, Defense, Finance, Foreign affairs, infrastructure like areas, everything else should be goal based ministries.
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Why are you kafirs jinxing by discussing ministry allocation now? Zor se bolo: NaMo will lose onlee.
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