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Stopped Atal Bihari Vajpayee from going ahead with river-linking: Maneka
Maneka Gandhi can be given some portfolio for Animal Welfare and Wildlife Protection, but not Environment Ministry completely.
Maneka Gandhi can be given some portfolio for Animal Welfare and Wildlife Protection, but not Environment Ministry completely.
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And how that makes it relevant for this election . It was't even an issue in this election. And how discussing 2002 makes General Election 2014 world's largest election. There is some hidden link which obviously others see and I am not able to connect.Karan M wrote:He is addressing the 2002 riots and the context head on, without any of the mealy mouthed apologia we have seen from multiple sources earlier. Whether anyone likes it or not, 2002 is the stick NaMos opponents will continue to use 24/7 irrespective of the reality. This article confronts the history of what happened head on and explains it to a foreign audience, who is also aware of the virus of Islamist extremism.
Glad to see, for once, a perspective that doesn't portray Hindus as demonic killers victimizing the poor folks who accidentally burnt down a train full of extremists (as noted by the great Guardian).
And from where he got his figures , just to cite one.
"Remarkably, at least 20 million Muslims entering India from Pakistan and Bangladesh have managed to vote illegally in Indian elections; some even running for office with the assistance of Muslim-appeasing politicians." Perhaps , that is the only thing which makes it largest democratic election in the world that he could come up with. Casting aspersions and implicitly questioning legitimacy by implication.
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Yes to Maneka for Animal Welfare and Wildlife protection.RajeshA wrote:Stopped Atal Bihari Vajpayee from going ahead with river-linking: Maneka
Maneka Gandhi can be given some portfolio for Animal Welfare and Wildlife Protection, but not Environment Ministry completely.
What about Varun? Any portfolio for him?
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I would rather assign task of rolling back pink revolution to Maneka!
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Perhaps you are not tracking the foreign media, but many link Modi to 2002. It is an issue. And the more international folks see through the left-EJ-islamist cabals attacks on BJP/Modi, the better.chaanakya wrote:And how that makes it relevant for this election . It was't even an issue in this election. And how discussing 2002 makes General Election 2014 world's largest election. There is some hidden link which obviously others see and I am not able to connect.
The numbers are beside te point which the author is making.And from where he got his figures , just to cite one.
"Remarkably, at least 20 million Muslims entering India from Pakistan and Bangladesh have managed to vote illegally in Indian elections; some even running for office with the assistance of Muslim-appeasing politicians." Perhaps , that is the only thing which makes it largest democratic election in the world that he could come up with. Casting aspersions and implicitly questioning legitimacy by implication.
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Wouldn't that come under animal welfare?Patni wrote:I would rather assign task of rolling back pink revolution to Maneka!
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Patni wrote:I would rather assign task of rolling back pink revolution to Maneka!

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On this note it should be curtains for the cadet gandhis ministerial aspirations in the new govt. We need to interlink the rivers as the basis of our religion is water. Recall that Benaras is situated on a river banks. And this BS about pH value is just that. I could extend the logic and say that two rivers shouldn't even converge naturally like the Ganga and Yamuna at Allahabad as they have different pH levels. So this is another DIE who deserves no position in the new govt.
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Ridiculous to deny Modi US visa — like Reagan, he faces bias: David B Cohen
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 078667.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 078667.cms
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Goras seem to have some setting with TOI to circulate their views in India. Any US think tank, analyst, policy wonk, NGO, research agency, etc. gets its output immediately published in this paper.sooraj wrote:Ridiculous to deny Modi US visa — like Reagan, he faces bias: David B Cohen
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 078667.cms
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Why I Support Narendra Modi -- And No, I'm Not a Right-Wing Fanatic
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amrit-hal ... 19723.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amrit-hal ... 19723.html
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Is it a co-incidence that both Western journalists (Cohen and Levy) are jewish? At least their names indicate they are jewish. Unless I am mistaken, NaMo has great support among the Jewish people especially from Israel.SanjayC wrote:Goras seem to have some setting with TOI to circulate their views in India. Any US think tank, analyst, policy wonk, NGO, research agency, etc. gets its output immediately published in this paper.sooraj wrote:Ridiculous to deny Modi US visa — like Reagan, he faces bias: David B Cohen
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 078667.cms
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ShankarCag wrote:On this note it should be curtains for the cadet gandhis ministerial aspirations in the new govt. We need to interlink the rivers as the basis of our religion is water. Recall that Benaras is situated on a river banks. And this BS about pH value is just that. I could extend the logic and say that two rivers shouldn't even converge naturally like the Ganga and Yamuna at Allahabad as they have different pH levels. So this is another DIE who deserves no position in the new govt.
Not accurate. She has a very valid point. Let us not throw the baby away with the bath water. Give her the environment ministry. Too much focus on big business in this new government which has potential to destroy the habitat. Need a strong position in that ministry
What about Shobha Karandlaje ( do I have spelling right). She has also demonstrated compassion and empathy for the environment and impact on children. Is she still within ambit?
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Is it a co-incidence that both Western journalists (Cohen and Levy) are jewish? At least their names indicate they are jewish. Unless I am mistaken, NaMo has great support among the Jewish people especially from Israel.Shamlee wrote:Goras seem to have some setting with TOI to circulate their views in India. Any US think tank, analyst, policy wonk, NGO, research agency, etc. gets its output immediately published in this paper.SanjayC wrote:Ridiculous to deny Modi US visa — like Reagan, he faces bias: David B Cohen[/b]
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 078667.cms
There is no black and white. Wendy Donigar and others in US and UK establishment are also Jewish. Best if we move away from this black and white perspective. We should have no warm and fuzzy feelings towards outsiders except understand that they are opportunists and we have to constantly be on guard. Wasn't EAst India also predominantly Jewish? Let us always be vigilant.
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NDA govt may review some decisions of UPA: Venkaiah
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http://www.rediff.com/news/report/nda-g ... 140514.htm
“We will review some of the decisions that need to be reviewed. Some decisions which were taken after announcement of the elections and after the election code came into force, and those decisions which are politically motivated may be reviewed by the new government," Naidu told reporters
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Blame the Jain family!
Does anybody know how many goras work in TOI office?
Does anybody know how many goras work in TOI office?
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Maneka is a psycho. She nearly killed research in India by banning experiments on animals. Keep her away from any important ministry.
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Supratik wrote:Maneka is a psycho. She nearly killed research in India by banning experiments on animals. Keep her away from any important ministry.
To protest cruelty against animals is hardly psycho. It is very dharmic. I am more worried about the new psychos who will destroy whatever is left of the environment for big business. That is not sustainable and so not worth it. Prefer sustainable small business than the big crazy businesses that raze the land.
Perhaps you want to re examine your frame of reference. It is not Bharatiya if it is ok to inhumanly torture animals.
This new establishment better not alienate women and small businesses and the mango man with too many blanket big business policies.
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Uttara Kumara (son of Duryodhana/foster son of Sonia), full of sound bites and rhetoric, but when it comes to action he is bhagoda like crayzwal.Sumeet wrote:Who is Kejriwal ? -- Shikhandi ?
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Somehow I feel YS is the old bureacratic type.He should not be given Finance.We need a dynamic type like Arun Shourie or an economist from academia/govt as FM.
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+1000000.Jarita wrote:Supratik wrote:Maneka is a psycho. She nearly killed research in India by banning experiments on animals. Keep her away from any important ministry.
To protest cruelty against animals is hardly psycho. It is very dharmic. I am more worried about the new psychos who will destroy whatever is left of the environment for big business. That is not sustainable and so not worth it. Prefer sustainable small business than the big crazy businesses that raze the land.
Perhaps you want to re examine your frame of reference. It is not Bharatiya if it is ok to inhumanly torture animals.
This new establishment better not alienate women and small businesses and the mango man with too many blanket big business policies.
There is no way cruelty to animals can be justified. An animal who has to undergo research suffers a lot more than an animal slaughtered in a slaughter house.
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No as far as i understand each state control their own framework as far as slaughter house permits etc. The central government has a Animal Welfare Division under Ministry of environment and forest.Shamlee wrote:Wouldn't that come under animal welfare?Patni wrote:I would rather assign task of rolling back pink revolution to Maneka!
Animal Welfare Division
From wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_slaughter_in_India :The Animal Welfare Division is entrusted with the implementation of the provisions of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act, 1960 (59 of 1960). A number of Rules have been framed under this Act for welfare of animals.
What is needed is a nationwide crackdown in illegal slaughter houses and rampant violation of laws which are only on paper. So what i meant is maybe she can be made in-charge of a task team with mandate to ensure laws of the land is followed! i think that may go a long way compared to being a central minister and pushing laws that are simply ignored.The laws governing cattle slaughter vary greatly from State to State. The "Preservation, protection and improvement of stock and prevention of animal diseases, veterinary training and practice" is Entry 15 of the State List of the Seventh Schedule of the Constitution, meaning that State legislatures have exclusive powers to legislate the prevention of slaughter and preservation of cattle. Some States allow the slaughter of cattle with restrictions like a "fit-for-slaughter" certificate which may be issued depending on factors like age and gender of cattle, continued economic viability etc. Others completely ban cattle slaughter, while there is no restriction in a few states, most notably Kerala. Prohibition of cow slaughter is a Directive Principles of State Policy contained in Article 48 of the Constitution. It reads, "The State shall endeavour to organise agriculture and animal husbandry on modern and scientific lines and shall, in particular, take steps for preserving and improving the breeds, and prohibiting the slaughter of cows and calves and other milch and draught cattle."
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I wonder if Maneka Gandhi is bringing up disagreements over River Linking as a reason to dump BJP and make herself and her son Varun more attractive for Congress.
After Congress gets only around 70, some knives would be out and who knows the mafia may think they need to go for Sanjay Gandhi side of the family.
After Congress gets only around 70, some knives would be out and who knows the mafia may think they need to go for Sanjay Gandhi side of the family.
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^^Rajesh A,
Secondly, I would like to have a government where there is no influence (Direct or indirect) from the so called "Gandhi" family. This is just my personal wish.
Saar, Why do you want to punish the common people of India. The streets of Chennai are being ruled by crazy street dogs, it has made everyone's life into hell. The corporation is refusing to kill the dogs, or take it away, or even control their population. Forget about walking on the streets, you cannot even get a good night sleep. I am not talking about some remote place. I am talking about well developed "hear of the city" like Nungambakkam. I believe it is a direct result of the policies of Shri Maneka, during her last stint. I don't want her to do any more damage.Maneka Gandhi can be given some portfolio for Animal Welfare and Wildlife Protection
Secondly, I would like to have a government where there is no influence (Direct or indirect) from the so called "Gandhi" family. This is just my personal wish.
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River linking does have unresolved enviornmental impact, it has to be done carefully.RajeshA wrote:I wonder if Maneka Gandhi is bringing up disagreements over River Linking as a reason to dump BJP and make herself and her son Varun more attractive for Congress.
After Congress gets only around 70, some knives would be out and who knows the mafia may think they need to go for Sanjay Gandhi side of the family.
Heck even congressmen are ditching congress, why would any one who is not absolutely insane want to join congress instead of party in power ? hat too when you have a long history of bitter blood feud with its top leader ?
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Jarita wrote: To protest cruelty against animals is hardly psycho. It is very dharmic. I am more worried about the new psychos who will destroy whatever is left of the environment for big business. That is not sustainable and so not worth it. Prefer sustainable small business than the big crazy businesses that raze the land.
Perhaps you want to re examine your frame of reference. It is not Bharatiya if it is ok to inhumanly torture animals.
This new establishment better not alienate women and small businesses and the mango man with too many blanket big business policies.
Taking any belief to extremes is psycho. There are well-established procedures for using animals in research world-wide (including countries where PETA and like orgs are very active). All economies have undergone some environmental damage during industrialization. London was known at one point the smog capital of the world. It is easy to be tree-hugging when you have a cushy job in a AC office and the other guy has to scavenge for a living. We should keep a balance between development and environment. Putting Maneka Gandhi in charge of environment ministry will be similar to what Jayaram Ramesh and Jayanti Natarajan did to projects - all stalled. You need some one more practical.
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Shourie said he doesn't want to be in Modi cabinet.Karan M wrote: Suave and image is one thing. But competence another. Folks like Sinha, Shourie etc are competent.
YS is relic of Nehru Model.
The people I named demonstrated their capability of "Clarity of Thought" in ever-virulent Paid Media. They will be supplemented by competent bureaucracy.
All the old leaders like Shourie, YS, Rajnath Singh, LKA, SS, AK etc should be made to come into TV studios and explain/educate/support Modi governance and policies.
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Precisely, thats the raisin dieter for the feud. So if the mainline Gandhis are somehow made to resign from their posts in the INC and banished then the cadet Gandhis would have no reason not to take control of the organization with a brand name like Gandhi.Sanku wrote: hat too when you have a long history of bitter blood feud with its top leader ?
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OT:rgsrini wrote:^^Rajesh A,Saar, Why do you want to punish the common people of India. The streets of Chennai are being ruled by crazy street dogs, it has made everyone's life into hell. The corporation is refusing to kill the dogs, or take it away, or even control their population. Forget about walking on the streets, you cannot even get a good night sleep. I am not talking about some remote place. I am talking about well developed "hear of the city" like Nungambakkam. I believe it is a direct result of the policies of Shri Maneka, during her last stint. I don't want her to do any more damage.Maneka Gandhi can be given some portfolio for Animal Welfare and Wildlife Protection
Secondly, I would like to have a government where there is no influence (Direct or indirect) from the so called "Gandhi" family. This is just my personal wish.
Dog problem in India will go away when trash is cleaned out regularly. Don't attack the dogs, they are magnificent animals! Just dont provide them with any food supply and they will die out naturally. The way to do it is to clean up biological waste/plant waste completely from our streets.
It sucks to see people attacking dogs instead of the root cause of the issue, easily available waste food that dogs can feed and grow on. In that respect they do a great favor to the society by cleaning up biological trash from our streets.
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ShankarCag wrote: On this note it should be curtains for the cadet gandhis ministerial aspirations in the new govt. We need to interlink the rivers as the basis of our religion is water. Recall that Benaras is situated on a river banks. And this BS about pH value is just that. I could extend the logic and say that two rivers shouldn't even converge naturally like the Ganga and Yamuna at Allahabad as they have different pH levels. So this is another DIE who deserves no position in the new govt.
The River-Interlinking can be planned, engineered in such a way that the natural eco systems are not disturbed. The linkage projects can be made to feed the associated canal systems instead of the river systems themselves.Jarita wrote: Not accurate. She has a very valid point. Let us not throw the baby away with the bath water. Give her the environment ministry. Too much focus on big business in this new government which has potential to destroy the habitat. Need a strong position in that ministry
What about Shobha Karandlaje ( do I have spelling right). She has also demonstrated compassion and empathy for the environment and impact on children. Is she still within ambit?
This is an engineering issue.
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Shamlee wrote: There is no way cruelty to animals can be justified. An animal who has to undergo research suffers a lot more than an animal slaughtered in a slaughter house.
Yes, until someone in your family dies of cancer. He/she could have been saved if the potential drug was tested on an animal. Drugs have to pass through certain procedures before they are given to humans. One of them is animal testing. It is unavoidable at this stage.
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I don't care. The life of one being should not be at the cost of another especially as the animal is defenseless and is unable to give informed consent. Why don't we use all these prisoners and other anti-social elements to experiment on? They have taken something from the society so they should give it back. Payback time.Supratik wrote:Shamlee wrote: There is no way cruelty to animals can be justified. An animal who has to undergo research suffers a lot more than an animal slaughtered in a slaughter house.
Yes, until someone in your family dies of cancer. He/she could have been saved if the potential drug was tested on an animal. Drugs have to pass through certain procedures before they are given to humans. One of them is animal testing. It is unavoidable at this stage.
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Saar, Why are you turning this into "attacking dogs". I am no dog lover, in the sense, I don't want to keep them as pet. But I have no particular enimity against any animal. There you go. Is it better now?
But the corporations have a responsibility towards curtailing the dog menace. Their hands are tied because of Maneka stopped the practice of euthanizing the dogs, without providing an alternative to control their population. No follow up on the impact of implementing an arbitrary policy, and no corrective action was done. That is not a good way of implementing policies in my book. Now the problem has grown multifold and children can barely walk in the street without being chased by a growling dog in several neighborhoods. So my vote goes to anyone who can solve this issue in Chennai and other places.
But the corporations have a responsibility towards curtailing the dog menace. Their hands are tied because of Maneka stopped the practice of euthanizing the dogs, without providing an alternative to control their population. No follow up on the impact of implementing an arbitrary policy, and no corrective action was done. That is not a good way of implementing policies in my book. Now the problem has grown multifold and children can barely walk in the street without being chased by a growling dog in several neighborhoods. So my vote goes to anyone who can solve this issue in Chennai and other places.
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chaanakya wrote:Dorrnob is discussing SuperNDA after getting bloody nose on ORG Polls and PollofPolls nonsense. If there is any casualty in General Election it is that of Dorrnob's Honesty and Integrity.
Err not really as he never had those qualities. If he had any he would not have so glibly moved on past the bogus survey he was peddling till yesterday.
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Shamlee wrote: I don't care. The life of one being should not be at the cost of another especially as the animal is defenseless and is unable to give informed consent. Why don't we use all these prisoners and other anti-social elements to experiment on? They have taken something from the society so they should give it back. Payback time.
Similarly we scientists don't care. Our job is to find ways to save human lives first. If a cancer kills 2 million world-wide and I have to test a new drug on mice or dog or rabbit or monkey I will do it according to the well-established procedures. Human testing happens only when the drug is found safe on animals.
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Regarding Maneka Gandhi.,
What has she done? Outside her ministerial space and being called "kutto-billi waali maaadam" what has she done to deserve ministry of environment?
1. Did she enunciate a policy on bio-fuels?
2. Did she come out with an alternate plan to stop the water table going down?
3. Did she come out with any idea on stopping the sandal wood smuggling and tearing down of forests and actually creating trade in say sandalwood? Any viable plan?
4. Any plan to save the rhinos? Creating and linking up the tiger corridors?
5. Any plan for solving the "pink revolution"?
6. Any plan on cleaning up the air pollution, noise pollution?
I can start threads on each of the above, what has she done that she "deserves" a ministry?
Vajpayee needed somebody with the "Gandhi" to protect his flanks. Maneka has outlived her purpose (using the name Gandhi)., now it is time to give the ministry to a deserving candidate who can actually do something about the environment and forests.
What has she done? Outside her ministerial space and being called "kutto-billi waali maaadam" what has she done to deserve ministry of environment?
1. Did she enunciate a policy on bio-fuels?
2. Did she come out with an alternate plan to stop the water table going down?
3. Did she come out with any idea on stopping the sandal wood smuggling and tearing down of forests and actually creating trade in say sandalwood? Any viable plan?
4. Any plan to save the rhinos? Creating and linking up the tiger corridors?
5. Any plan for solving the "pink revolution"?
6. Any plan on cleaning up the air pollution, noise pollution?
I can start threads on each of the above, what has she done that she "deserves" a ministry?
Vajpayee needed somebody with the "Gandhi" to protect his flanks. Maneka has outlived her purpose (using the name Gandhi)., now it is time to give the ministry to a deserving candidate who can actually do something about the environment and forests.
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The whole purpose of River Linking project is to feed the dependent irrigation & civil needs of various river systems. The inter linking can be done in such a way that the main river system is not disturbed by connecting the dependent canal systems at their sources and create man-made lakes/reservoirs as storage centers.
Menaka Gandhi is trying to make an issue out of a non-issue.
Menaka Gandhi is trying to make an issue out of a non-issue.
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I would rather that Varun gets a ministry (MOS). It seems he has done some work in WB.
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Thats her nature. I don't trust that woman. She is a high society pseudo intellect who has complete disconnect with the ground reality and without research she tends to take higher moral ground. You put this kind of person in charge of a ministry and then wait for disaster to happen.RamaY wrote:Menaka Gandhi is trying to make an issue out of a non-issue.
By nature Maneka == Shobha de == Arundhati Roy == B Dutt and co.
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NAMO must dismantle Congress B team in BJP. Lets think of positive team for NAMO. My thoughts:-
Piyush Goel
Meenakshi Lekhi
Sushil Modi
Shanker Roy Chaudhary
Nitin Gadkari
Piyush Goel
Meenakshi Lekhi
Sushil Modi
Shanker Roy Chaudhary
Nitin Gadkari