Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 14 May 2014 20:54

chaanakya wrote:Arre Jaane bhi do bhai. We agree to disagree. NO??

Yup

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 14 May 2014 20:57

Jarita wrote:Need multi pronged compassionate strategy. Like the elephants. They are raiding villages because we have taken over their territory.

You are correct, but then this is also the result of overpopulation and unchecked infiltration, plus subsistence agriculture. Ultimately, we need a multipronged strategy which addresses infra building (- environment in short term), manufacturing (- env in short term) but along with reforestation (+ env) and move people away from subsistence agriculture (+ env in long term).

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 14 May 2014 21:01

Guys!

@abpnewstv
Rahul Gandhi nor in the country right now: Sources

baagh gaya saale

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 14 May 2014 21:03

^^^ Karan saar, Balance is the key. The UPA took every agenda faar into the left.

Here is an example that I happened to know in Bangalore: There were a bunch of folks who were protesting cutting of trees for a metro line through LalBagh. I felt sorry for how short sighted they were. Even if the Metro line would need a few trees cut, it would kill of a large percentage of traffic pollution around LalBagh, thereby making things better instead of worse.

It is short sighted knee-jerk "environment at all costs" stupidity that has cost us a lot.

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 May 2014 21:07

Jarita wrote: All wonderful points. Was she (Maneka) enabled? Who is the alternative? We cannot have a rapacious Oily Moily ministry in place

I have a simple pooch, was Modi enabled?

I can propose myself as alternative. I am sure I can do far far better job than she did.

Just because Maneka is opposed does not mean Oily-Moily is proposed! Point is if you look beyond Maneka, you will find people who are both capable and visionary.

Anyway, last on this topic.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 14 May 2014 21:07

Jarita wrote: For goodness sake. Many traditional medicines have grown without cruelty to animals. New techniques (petri dish) enable minimizing this. There is always a middle path.

Someone is more likely to die of Cancer because of the pollution and poison in our waters. Have you heard about the cancer trains of Punjab - thanks to GMO farming. Middle path - prevent and then cure.

I am talking about current procedures for drugs and vaccines. How are you going to develop a vaccine in a petri-dish. A drug will give you only some idea in a petri-dish. An animal is more complex. If at some future date more efficient methods are found scientists will use it. There are people studying frogs and mice and fish and all kinds of creatures to further knowledge which requires some kind of intervention and killing. Unless you want to put a stop to research this is unavoidable.

I am not talking about overuse of pesticides or GM crops, etc. There was a great scare amongst scientist in India of research coming to a stop during MG's tenure.

Anyway, this is OT. So no more posts.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 14 May 2014 21:09

^^^ Actually that is the tip of the iceberg. You should see the large scale environmental destruction in rural areas that nobody objects too. Denudation of land, massive destruction of biodiversity, pesticide and fertilizer parties - all contributing to reduced sustainability and damage that goes down the chain.
There needs to be no -ve to the environment for anything. We have had a -ve to the environment for 6 decades and the nation cannot take it anymore. As an example: there are alternatives to large dams in the form of small dams and alternative energy.d
The mindset has to be changed - we need growth but there should be no environmental damage. This mindset that some more damage is acceptable is dangerous. There isnt much more to go around.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 May 2014 21:09

Again, Guys not fair to sneak in comments and claim last one on this topic.

No more Maneka Gandhi in this thread!

kapiche!
ramana

All right will have to issue warnings.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 14 May 2014 21:13

Supratik wrote:
Jarita wrote: For goodness sake. Many traditional medicines have grown without cruelty to animals. New techniques (petri dish) enable minimizing this. There is always a middle path.

Someone is more likely to die of Cancer because of the pollution and poison in our waters. Have you heard about the cancer trains of Punjab - thanks to GMO farming. Middle path - prevent and then cure.

I am talking about current procedures for drugs and vaccines. How are you going to develop a vaccine in a petri-dish. A drug will give you only some idea in a petri-dish. An animal is more complex. If at some future date more efficient methods are found scientists will use it. There are people studying frogs and mice and fish and all kinds of creatures to further knowledge which requires some kind of intervention and killing. Unless you want to put a stop to research this is unavoidable.

I am not talking about overuse of pesticides or GM crops, etc. There was a great scare amongst scientist in India of research coming to a stop during MG's tenure.

Anyway, this is OT. So no more posts.

Is this really OT? This is very relevant to this thread that talks about Contrasting Ideas of India.
We do need a sustainable, long term perspective. Environment cannot be a secondary thing for NAMO. It has to go hand in hand with whatever else is done. That is the sustainable way, that is the dharmic way.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 14 May 2014 21:14

Core Group of Narendra Modi, Rajnath Singh, Arun Jaitley and Nitin Gadkari to take key BJP decisions

Ahead of possible government formation, a group of four top leaders, including Narendra Modi and party chief Rajnath Singh, has emerged as BJP's Core Group that is expected to take all key decisions.

The meeting of the group, which also includes former party chief Nitin Gadkari and Arun Jaitley, took place in Wednesday at Ahmedabad.

Party sources said that henceforth the core group would be taking key decisions.

Earlier, these decisions were taken by the party's Parliamentary Board, the highest decision-making forum which also has party veterans LK Advani and Murli Manohar Joshi, besides Sushma Swaraj, M Venkaiah Naidu, Ananth Kumar, Thawarchand Gehlot and Ramlal as its members.

All four members of the core group are already members of the Board.

Sources also suggest major changes in the party with Gadkari likely to be brought back as party chief and Rajnath drafted for a key ministry in the government.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 May 2014 21:15

Jarita, I have to give you a warning to get you to understand forum admins requests.
Sorry it had to be you.

ramana

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 14 May 2014 21:20

ShankarCag wrote: That is the AAP POV also. IMHO big business is good for everyone. Only requirement is that it should be ethical.

association fallacy.

so what if AAP also says it. does not mean it is, by itself, wrong.

nation needs both competition, innovation, 'churning', participation from larger segments (list goes on) that comes from having small businesses, AND also big business that can integrate for efficiencies and economies of scale that benefits consumers and allows for exports to bring in forex etc.

this is not an either or thing.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 14 May 2014 21:21

Jarita wrote:
Is this really OT? This is very relevant to this thread that talks about Contrasting Ideas of India.
We do need a sustainable, long term perspective. Environment cannot be a secondary thing for NAMO. It has to go hand in hand with whatever else is done. That is the sustainable way, that is the dharmic way.

Modi doesn't appear to be a tree-hugging saint. Gujrat has the largest ship-breaking industry and refinery industry in India both of which are highly polluting. He is practical.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 14 May 2014 21:22

Patni wrote:Core Group of Narendra Modi, Rajnath Singh, Arun Jaitley and Nitin Gadkari to take key BJP decisions

Ahead of possible government formation, a group of four top leaders, including Narendra Modi and party chief Rajnath Singh, has emerged as BJP's Core Group that is expected to take all key decisions.

The meeting of the group, which also includes former party chief Nitin Gadkari and Arun Jaitley, took place in Wednesday at Ahmedabad.

Party sources said that henceforth the core group would be taking key decisions.

Earlier, these decisions were taken by the party's Parliamentary Board, the highest decision-making forum which also has party veterans LK Advani and Murli Manohar Joshi, besides Sushma Swaraj, M Venkaiah Naidu, Ananth Kumar, Thawarchand Gehlot and Ramlal as its members.

All four members of the core group are already members of the Board.

Sources also suggest major changes in the party with Gadkari likely to be brought back as party chief and Rajnath drafted for a key ministry in the government.

Jaitley seems to have become a NaMo confidante by giving him legal advice.

That Mughal loving turd Dalyrymple also calls him NaMo's dark legal advisor. Looks like INC cabal - with which Dalyrymple's buddies have contacts - are cut up with Jaitley for that. And NaMo has reciprocated.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 14 May 2014 21:25

Supratik wrote: Modi doesn't appear to be a tree-hugging saint. Gujrat has the largest ship-breaking industry and refinery industry in India both of which are highly polluting. He is practical.

polluting industries can be offset with afforestation, tighter emission control measures etc elsewhere.

why is this even an argument. this is such an obvious no-brainer..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 May 2014 21:27

All right supratik. You get one too!

Shaktimaan · Post by **Shaktimaan** » 14 May 2014 21:31

Rahul Gandhi skips the PM's farewell dinner and sources even claim that he is out of the country.

See how the Dynasty treats their servants. For 10 years Maun Maun Singh did their bidding without question and they can't even show him this basic courtesy.

Also heard a joke on Twitter "Rahul Gandhi skipped the dinner because his Made-In-Mirzapur watch showed him the wrong date and time! "

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 14 May 2014 21:33

i hope modi keeps the bjp oldies out. it would be gigantic monumental travesty if they sneak in now. it is important to start right from the get go.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 14 May 2014 21:36

OMG, are there bans going on?!! Sorry!
Self-delete.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 14 May 2014 21:37

ramana wrote:Jarita, I have to give you a warning to get you to understand forum admins requests.
Sorry it had to be you.

ramana

OK - I thought the warning was talking about a particular person not talking about an Issue.
I just want to clarify - we cannot talk about the environment and its issues on this thread particularly as they pertain to the ideology of India

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 May 2014 21:41

Narendra Modi spent lesser than Kejriwal, Rai on campaigning in Varanasi

The BJP prime ministerial candidate spent just Rs. 30 lakh during his entire campaign in the temple town, says the report submitted by expenditure observer Srinivasu Kolipaka of the election commission.

Ajay Rai splurged the most on campaigning with an expense of Rs. 52.88 lakh.

Former Delhi chief minister and Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) chief Arvind Kejriwal trailed Rai in poll expenditure by spending Rs. 41.50 lakh.

The AAP had mobilised hundreds of volunteers from across the country to put up a challenge to Modi.

Kailash Chaurasia of the Samajwadi Party stands fourth in terms election expenditure with Rs. 21 lakh while BSP candidate Vijay Jaiswal finished fifth with Rs. 19.10 lakh.

Hiralal Yadav of the CPM was able to manage his campaigning with just Rs. 4 lakh.

An independent candidate has also submitted a poll expenditure record of Rs. 1 lakh.

The observer has issued notices to five candidates, including Trinamool Congress candidate Indira Tiwari, for failing to submit the poll expenditure details to the election commission.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 14 May 2014 21:44

RajeshA wrote:
Rahul M wrote:piyush goyal is said to be the frontrunner for FM, it is not known whether YS would even be in the cabinet.
Yashwant Sinha isn't contesting elections this time. His son Jayant Sinha is doing so instead from Hazaribagh, Jharkhand. So YS would not be an MP.

doesn't mean he cant be a RS MP.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 May 2014 21:46

++ mr gin sahib

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 May 2014 21:48

And Indian Express Talks of UPA-III jus as it talked about Army Coup last time.

Posting it here so that we don;t miss it on 16th.

Congress debating idea of ‘enlarged’ UPA-III to stop Modi

There is a growing chorus for an 'enlarged' UPA-III to stop Narendra Modi from coming to power.

Unfazed by exit polls projecting a dismal performance by it, Congress is still seeing a chance for it to keep out NDA and form the next government with the help of secular parties.

“We expect NDA to get below 200 (seats) and such a situation will give Congress and like-minded parties a chance to form a coalition (government),” a senior Congress leader said on condition of anonymity.

But the leader refused to hazard a guess as to what the tally would be for Congress and its UPA alliance. The general expectation within the party is that it would get between 120 to 140 seats as against the 206 it bagged in the last elections.

The party is divided over the issue of forming the next government or propping up a third front coalition with a section opposing any such move, the contention being that such a course of action would weaken Congress.

However, another section, which includes Finance Minister P Chidambaram, is arguing that Congress has a “very good chance” of forming the government under its leadership along with some allies.

There is a growing chorus for an “enlarged” UPA-III to stop Narendra Modi from coming to power. The idea of an “enlarged” UPA-III means taking on board new allies and keeping open the issue of leadership to stop Modi from becoming Prime Minister.

“All options are on the table and no option is off. It all depends on the numbers we get and what BJP gets and the margin between us,” said another senior leader

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 May 2014 21:48

chaanakya wrote:Narendra Modi spent lesser than Kejriwal, Rai on campaigning in Varanasi

The BJP prime ministerial candidate spent just Rs. 30 lakh during his entire campaign in the temple town, says the report submitted by expenditure observer Srinivasu Kolipaka of the election commission.

Ajay Rai splurged the most on campaigning with an expense of Rs. 52.88 lakh.

Former Delhi chief minister and Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) chief Arvind Kejriwal trailed Rai in poll expenditure by spending Rs. 41.50 lakh.

The AAP had mobilised hundreds of volunteers from across the country to put up a challenge to Modi.

Kailash Chaurasia of the Samajwadi Party stands fourth in terms election expenditure with Rs. 21 lakh while BSP candidate Vijay Jaiswal finished fifth with Rs. 19.10 lakh.

Hiralal Yadav of the CPM was able to manage his campaigning with just Rs. 4 lakh.

An independent candidate has also submitted a poll expenditure record of Rs. 1 lakh.

The observer has issued notices to five candidates, including Trinamool Congress candidate Indira Tiwari, for failing to submit the poll expenditure details to the election commission.

should go to tweeter

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 14 May 2014 22:07

niran wrote:
ShankarCag wrote:^^^Digvijay Singh !!!
digy is a court jester, Sakuni was supposed to be amongst the most intelligent men of his era.

Diggy=jayadradha?

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 14 May 2014 22:14

Congress decimation NaMo style!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 May 2014 22:17

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 May 2014 22:18

UPA appoints new Chief Cook, Gardener, and Driver at PM’s official residence

In a controversial move, the outgoing UPA Government appointed Sarson Singh as the Chief Cook at 7 Race Course Road, the official residence of the Prime Minister. The posts of Chief Gardener and Chief Driver were also filled in a hurriedly called cabinet meeting last night.
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Coming back to the present, the BJP is in no mood to let these appointments go unchallenged.

BJP Spokesperson Nirmala Sitharaman said, “Congress has corrupted every household institution. The gardener is a plant; the maid sweeps everything under the carpet; the cook knows which side of the bread is buttered & the driver is unaware of the bumpy road ahead. The only thing we can get rid of is the 10 year old doormat!”

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 14 May 2014 22:28

abhijitm wrote:
RamaY wrote:Menaka Gandhi is trying to make an issue out of a non-issue.
Thats her nature. I don't trust that woman. She is a high society pseudo intellect who has complete disconnect with the ground reality and without research she tends to take higher moral ground. You put this kind of person in charge of a ministry and then wait for disaster to happen.

By nature Maneka == Shobha de == Arundhati Roy == B Dutt and co.

+400

The issues are genuine but Maneka madam is not the one to be in charge.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 May 2014 22:48

i thought kabul mithaiwala will go to ghandar

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 May 2014 22:52

dinchika dinchika dinchaaa... dinchiki dinchiki dinchiki dinchaa...

Modi will lose onlee

Request for Mods: If Modi wins tomorrow, request you to increase number of warnings required to ban from 3 to 4.

P.S: We should have a referendum AAP style to select number of warnings to ban. Can I start a poll on that?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 May 2014 22:56

RamaY, now admins know whom to follow for energizing their wands

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 14 May 2014 23:00

News Traders are keeping up their reputation. Many in Congress believe that Mrs. Vadra is hope of Congress and media is also signing hosannas for her. But nobody is questioning her absence in MMS' farewell party. It seems NewsTraders are shielding her.

Regarding Rahul's absence, he is still in "Discovery India" mode and I bet spends most of his time in EU, than India, so his absence in the farewell party is a predictable one.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 14 May 2014 23:09

Shaktimaan wrote:Rahul Gandhi skips the PM's farewell dinner and sources even claim that he is out of the country.

See how the Dynasty treats their servants. For 10 years Maun Maun Singh did their bidding without question and they can't even show him this basic courtesy.

Also heard a joke on Twitter "Rahul Gandhi skipped the dinner because his Made-In-Mirzapur watch showed him the wrong date and time! "

Paresh Rawal is freaking out on twitter with his jokes, best one
It takes guts to skip a free dinner- Nitin Gadkari ji
Yes, Rahul Gandhi ji not in India...He has left the country bcoz that Air India offer on air ticket was valid for limited period.. (there was an Air India ad for cheap fares to Italy this week).

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 May 2014 23:10

Pappu would for a long time not be showing his face. I wonder if he would even come back for swearing in as MP!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 May 2014 23:12

Good riddance… let us focus on development rather on these kangrez aberrations

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 14 May 2014 23:25

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amrit-hal ... _hp_ref=tw
Interesting har hitting article

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 14 May 2014 23:26

RajeshA wrote:Pappu would for a long time not be showing his face. I wonder if he would even come back for swearing in as MP!

Actually that's why I laugh out loud whenever idiots like Jairam Ramesh say Rahul is working for long term.

PAPPU all these times was never interested in anything even taking up a ministry to achieve anything. He leaves the country after elections, doesn't even attend Parliament. Never participates in discussion or policies. Talks nonsense about building youth wing or reorg party but never did anything tangible till now.

he is no threat. He will parachute again into Delhi,MH election next and talks BS about Modi and goes away. modi will chew him and spit out.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 14 May 2014 23:27

Guys, chill

Let the results be out first. I am stealing Dilbu's Phrase

Namo will Lose Onlee