btw, lot of chatter among Pakistanis about TV channels accusing each other of blasphemy

I will state the fact and the inference is left to individuals. STFU-TSP has been a recklessly adventurous state, IMHO, since the day it was artificially created.Pratyush wrote:Do gurus still think that the STFU will dare to test Indian metal, now that Modi will be comfortably placed in government.
Nothing ever changes for these converts. The more the pakis say times are different, the more things remain the same. I am afraid of another Kargil or Mumbai.Pratyush wrote:Do gurus still think that the STFU will dare to test Indian metal, now that Modi will be comfortably placed in government.
Representatives of all sects, different political parties, religious groups and student organizations voiced against the alleged blasphemous act of Geo group for in which family of Holy Prophet Mohammed "PBHU" <sic> was ridiculed.
Jamat-ud-Dawa’s chief Hafiz Saeed Ahmed held a protest in Lahore in which he said “Geo News’ apology cannot be accepted as it is not in the hands of any cleric or government to forgive a blasphemous act. Geo must take the responsibility of what it has done. Geo is facing the wrath of Allah for its sins.”
Double AoA!!The already in troubled Geo Television Network had conferred with another grave accusation of blasphemy for allegedly insulting family of Holy Prophet Mohammed PBUH during the marriage drama of Veena Malik.
Shitistan after 1971 was left with an army full of angry young men who wanted revenge. They are now angry old men and will always try whatever they can.SSridhar wrote:I will state the fact and the inference is left to individuals. STFU-TSP has been a recklessly adventurous state, IMHO, since the day it was artificially created.Pratyush wrote:Do gurus still think that the STFU will dare to test Indian metal, now that Modi will be comfortably placed in government.
Given our troubled relationship with Pakistan, we need to keep our security apparatus in a state of alert with state-of-the-art equipment. All bilateral issues with Pakistan political, military, economic will simply have to go on the back-burner till Pakistan decides it wants to live as a good neighbour, says Vikram Sood.
Every change of government in New Delhi rekindles hope in the hearts of many that peace between India and Pakistan is about to break out. It is necessary to have a reality check on this. Successive Indian prime ministers have walked down this road, offering concessions to Pakistan, only to be disappointed.
Today Pakistan may play the injured innocent and claim that it is a victim of terrorism but the reality is that Pakistan is a victim of the policies of its leadership. Having invested so much in this policy of violent interference in its neighbourhood, having raised the rhetoric so high and despite having boxed above its weight all these years, the Pakistani military and intelligence establishment is unable to change the way it thinks much less make a U-turn in its policies towards India.
It is time we accept that Pakistan will not change its policies towards India and may even become worse as it Islamises and radicalises showing signs of becoming a Sharia state. Since Pakistan will not change its attitude it is time we also thought of different approaches. So far, gestures have been interpreted to mean appeasement by the Pakistan deep state and a vindication of their confrontationist policy. Pakistan's DNA will not allow a change of policy, only a change of tactics. It will retain its terror option under a nuclear umbrella that today consists of 200 nuclear weapons all aimed at India and based on a close military and nuclear relationship with China.
Our policy towards Pakistan has been based on three misconceptions. One, the assumption that the civilian politicians favour a normal relationship with India but it is the army alone that is the impediment. Facts speak otherwise. It was then prime minister Zulfiqar Bhutto who said that Pakistan would make the Islamic bomb even if Pakistanis had to eat grass. It was Zulfiqar who dabbled with assisting the Islamic Afghans who had taken shelter in Pakistan having been pushed out by the Mohammad Daud Khan regime from Afghanistan.
It was his daughter, Benazir, who launched the Kashmir jihad and later propped up the Taliban. It was Nawaz Sharif who supported both the Taliban and anti-India groups, most of them fostered in Punjab, his stronghold.
Mumbai 1993 and later Kargil happened during Sharif's terms in office. Likewise, the Mumbai attacks of November 2008 happened during Asif Ali Zardari's presidency. There would be no significant change in the threats faced by us from Pakistan regardless of whether there was a dictator in command or an ostensibly civilian rule.
Two, if we engage Pakistan in a sustained dialogue and grant some concessions, this will strengthen the hands of Pakistan’s politicians and weaken the military’s stranglehold which is disliked by the people of Pakistan. Not quite so. Pakistanis may not be too fond of their generals as presidents but the military is seen as the only institution which is keeping the country together. Its political, economic and military’s role in Pakistan cannot be undermined or contained by any civilian dispensation.
The third flaw in this argument is the misplaced belief that we can bring about changes in the manner in which Pakistanis want to be governed. We do not have the ability to bring about political changes in Pakistan. It would be dangerous to tread into pastures where others have ventured and failed. Pakistan’s political process is an internal matter between its people and leadership.
The time has come for India to move away from its Pakistan-centric policy orientation. India and Pakistan hardly trade with each other, Pakistan will not give India transit to Afghanistan even though it stands to earn money, there are few tourists to each others countries, Pakistan's hate India machinery is vocal and active, we never get to see each others media except for those who surf on the Internet and they no longer tolerate Indian journalists on their soil. It will not surrender its terror option as a force equaliser and India has no cure for Pakistan's paranoia.
A foreign policy that uses hope as an instrument of policy overlooking essential national interests is bound to fail. The most important requirement for India in the next decade or at any other time, is rapid economic progress in the widest definition of the term. This will be the best guarantor for our security in the long run.
Since we cannot progress in isolation we need to engage other countries. Notable among them would be China for multiple reasons, Japan and South Korea for economic interests and Russia and Israel for both security and economic interests. Maybe early high-profile exchange of visits would set the trend.
Our relationship with China and Pakistan means we are a landlocked country to our north and west. We need to take the maritime route to Iran and through Iran to Afghanistan and to Southeast Asia.Above all, the government needs to engage all our other immediate neighbours Bhutan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Nepal and the Maldives in a sustained meaningful dialogue and provide economic assistance to these countries, in our own national interest and regain space that we might have lost in recent years.
Meanwhile, given our relationship with Pakistan, we need to keep our security apparatus in a state of alert with state-of-the-art equipment. All bilateral issues with Pakistan political, military, economic will simply have to go on the back-burner till Pakistan decides it wants to live as a good neighbour.
In our ordinary lives too it is not compulsory to have cordial relations with our neighbours; a nodding acquaintance and staying out each other's way is perfectly normal. So with nations.
So how can India and the World be sure that the Certificate of Vaccination issued to Pakistanis now are Genuine and not Fabricated?ISLAMABAD: While the government kept using militancy and people’s refusal to vaccinate on religious grounds as excuses for the lack of success in immunisation campaigns, fabricated figures from incomplete anti-polio drives was one of the main factors that eventually resulted in travel restrictions.
Only 0.5% of refusals to vaccinate were based on religious grounds.
India and the world are phenomenally stupid. Almost all Pakistani data is fudged. It is stupid to believe it.Peregrine wrote:Fabricated data made govt believe polio campaigns were successfulSo how can India and the World be sure that the Certificate of Vaccination issued to Pakistanis now are Genuine and not Fabricated?ISLAMABAD: While the government kept using militancy and people’s refusal to vaccinate on religious grounds as excuses for the lack of success in immunisation campaigns, fabricated figures from incomplete anti-polio drives was one of the main factors that eventually resulted in travel restrictions.
Only 0.5% of refusals to vaccinate were based on religious grounds.
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ISLAMABAD: A teenager walked into a police station on Friday and shot dead a 65-year-old man from a minority community accused of blasphemy in a Punjab village, their spokesman said, the second murder involving Pakistan's controversial blasphemy laws in as many weeks.Victim Khalil Ahmad and three other Ahmadis had asked a shopkeeper in their village Sharaqpur – about 55 km (33 miles) northwest of the Punjab capital, Lahore – earlier this week to remove inflammatory stickers denouncing their community, said Saleemud Din, a spokesman for the Ahmadi community.In retaliation, the shopkeeper filed blasphemy charges against the four men on May 12. .Ahmad, a father of four, was in police custody when the teenage boy walked in, asked to see him, and shot him dead, Din saidHe said police told him that the shooter, a high school student, had been arrested.Din said the lapse in security would have to be investigated. Pakistani police are notoriously poorly trained and security is often lax, critics say.“They told us the person who shot Mr. Khalil is just a boy,” Din told Reuters. “The hate campaign carried out against us by the mullahs is going on and on and on.” Ahmadis have been arrested in Pakistan for reading the Holy Quran, holding religious celebrations and having Quranic verses on rings or wedding cards. Four years ago, 86 Ahmadis were killed in two simultaneous attacks in Lahore.The colonial-era law does not define blasphemy but says it is punishable by death. Anyone can file a blasphemy case claiming their religious feelings are injured for any reason.The accused are often lynched, and lawyers and judges defending or acquitting them have been attacked. Rights groups say the laws are increasingly used to seize money or property.Two politicians who suggested reforming the law were killed, one by his own bodyguard. Lawyers showered the killer with rose petals when he came to court.The number of accusations is rising, according to a 2012 study by the Islamabad-based think tank, the Center for Research and Security Studies. In 2001, there was only one such complaint, but in 2011 there were 80.No more recent figures are available but 2014 looks set to be a record.Earlier this week, 68 lawyers were charged with blasphemy for using the name 'Umar' in protest slogans against a police official of the same name.Last week a prominent human rights lawyer defending a Pakistani university professor accused of blasphemy was shot and killed after being threatened in court by other lawyers.Advocate Rashid Rehman Khan had been representing the professor, who taught English and was accused by hardline student groups of making blasphemous remarks on his Facebook page in March 2013
Wow. A double whammy in the land of one chance per person. An ahmadi and, on top of that, accused for blasphemy. Even Malalalala can not save this guy.Jhujar wrote:Blasphemy accused Ahmadi man gunned down in Punjab
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Its not a lie if you believe in it. All paki hukumaran believe in their lies when its spoken in earnest.shiv wrote:India and the world are phenomenally stupid. Almost all Pakistani data is fudged. It is stupid to believe it.
Well the victim was only a Ahmadi, so no bigg deal in the land of Pure islam pakistan. The real news is Malsi have now demonstrated its full control over Teenage generation Pakipottiputtars. Poor Dead Achmed the Terrorist lost the plot and huge market to sell himself.anupmisra wrote:Jhujar wrote:Blasphemy accused Ahmadi man gunned down in Punjab
Wow. A double whammy in the land of one chance per person. An ahmadi and, on top of that, accused for blasphemy. Even Malalalala can not save this guy.
In short, New Delhi’s Pakistan policy will be hard and could well follow the pro-BJP strategic establishment’s constant advice to ensure that India does not hesitate to opt for the hard option (read: hard diplomacy or even military) if and when required. It was many of those who will now be with the NDA in different capacities perhaps, who had advocated a military strike after the terror attack on Mumbai but were not taken on board by the government at the time.Modi’s is a harder constituency at one level, than the one Vajpayee addressed. His support does not come from the BJP per se but more so from the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh that has managed this election for him. He will need to keep this constituency in good fettle if he wants the space to take hard domestic decisions and here peace could be a casualty at some point in time.
India has turned a chapter, or perhaps an entire book, with a new one being written now. The Nehruvian era is over, and the country has entered an entirely new phase where the nationalist right has come into government through an amazing victory. The opposition has scattered almost completely, except in Tamil Nadu, Orissa and West Bengal where it remains in sufficiently large numbers to take independent decisions. However, the writing on the wall suggests some degree of close cooperation, if not alliance, between Orissa’s Biju Janata Dal and Tamil Nadu’s AIADMK with the new government. West Bengal’s chief minister, Mamata Banerjee, who has done extremely well in these elections might be the only one to resist direct liaison with Modi’s government, and largely because of the overwhelming support she has received from the minorities in her state.The media is completely supportive because the corporates have signed a blank cheque in favour of Modi. The opposition is looking dismal, with the Congress figures having slumped to an all-time low in parliament. In the first flush of defeat all that the Congress workers could do was raise slogans asking for Priyanka Gandhi to take over the party, in yet another indication of fossilised thinking and total inaction. The Uttar Pradesh and Bihar regional parties have moved into single digit figures, in another signal that the resistance to the BJP in the Hindi heartland has been finally not just subdued but vanquished.![]()
Now waiting for a series of extremist earthquakes to hit Pakistan for not being Islamic enough.Agnimitra wrote:Moderate 5.1 magnitude earthquake hits Pakistan
The retaliation has to come through covert means. The 2001-2002 drama was because ABV had no options to pay Pakistan back in kind with plausible deniability, and all he could do was thump his feet and issue empty threats. That idiot Gujral had destroyed assets in Pakistan. MMS also kept a tight lid on covert activities.shiv wrote:
....But the BJP had better deliver. I remember making posts of deep disappointment on here when - several weeks after the 2001-2 mobilization - nothing happened. I did that again and again through the bad decade 1999-2008, reliving my deep sadness after the inaction of 26/11.
Pakistan need to be told that they are a bunch of assholes and they need to be kicked every now and again to remind them. Nothing can be gained by friendship with Pakistan. We don't need friendship from the people who claim to govern that area. We simply need to ensure that the fragments of Pakistan like FATA and Baluchistan are given official recognition as independent states and deal with a rump Pakjabistan.
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before everyone starts of saying how this modi will be terrible for muslims…. Remember Nawaz’s promise of bullet train? Lowered taxes? Anti corruption? These are all plain and simple, for elections. I see Pakistan and India propsering under Modi. We may even have Pakistan players play in IPL next year…. However, there are people out there who wouldn’t want us to become better friends and something harsh like Mumbai might happen. India AND Pakistan has to mature and move forward, with no pre conditions. ET pls publish.
He means to say that he sees south asia prospering under NaMo. Its his birthright.partha wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/709173/modi ... ers-right/
One Paki is very optimistic about ModiI see Pakistan and India propsering under Modi
This is clearly an orchestrated campaign by the ISI. Luckily GEO TV operates from outside the geographical borders of the "Land of the Purest" and so may continue operating unless somehow the PA pulls strings with the UAE Emirs (Possibly through bustard hunting license? Do they have the guts to leverage that license especially when vast stretches of Balochistan are already handed over to them and the writ of the State does not run there?).anupmisra wrote:This is the AoA moment worthy of a sitcom. Mammoth protests against Geo Television "Netwrok" for alleged blasphemyJamat-ud-Dawa’s chief Hafiz Saeed Ahmed held a protest in Lahore in which he said “Geo News’ apology cannot be accepted as it is not in the hands of any cleric or government to forgive a blasphemous act. Geo must take the responsibility of what it has done. Geo is facing the wrath of Allah for its sins.”
anupmisra wrote:This is the AoA moment worthy of a sitcom. Mammoth protests against Geo Television "Netwrok" for alleged blasphemy
Representatives of all sects, different political parties, religious groups and student organizations voiced against the alleged blasphemous act of Geo group for in which family of Holy Prophet Mohammed "PBHU" <sic> was ridiculed.Jamat-ud-Dawa’s chief Hafiz Saeed Ahmed held a protest in Lahore in which he said “Geo News’ apology cannot be accepted as it is not in the hands of any cleric or government to forgive a blasphemous act. Geo must take the responsibility of what it has done. Geo is facing the wrath of Allah for its sins.”Double AoA!!The already in troubled Geo Television Network had conferred with another grave accusation of blasphemy for allegedly insulting family of Holy Prophet Mohammed PBUH during the marriage drama of Veena Malik.
Cosmo_R wrote:The retaliation has to come through covert means. The 2001-2002 drama was because ABV had no options to pay Pakistan back in kind with plausible deniability, and all he could do was thump his feet and issue empty threats. That idiot Gujral had destroyed assets in Pakistan. MMS also kept a tight lid on covert activities.shiv wrote:
....But the BJP had better deliver. I remember making posts of deep disappointment on here when - several weeks after the 2001-2 mobilization - nothing happened. I did that again and again through the bad decade 1999-2008, reliving my deep sadness after the inaction of 26/11.
Pakistan need to be told that they are a bunch of assholes and they need to be kicked every now and again to remind them. Nothing can be gained by friendship with Pakistan. We don't need friendship from the people who claim to govern that area. We simply need to ensure that the fragments of Pakistan like FATA and Baluchistan are given official recognition as independent states and deal with a rump Pakjabistan.
There are many ways to build it up now. And, we have the Afghans as an effective and willing partners.
An attack will come soon. We better get our ducks in row and put a covert strategy on speed dial. I don't think it has escaped NaMo.
These fakes will show an entire 10 minute sex scene just for a 2 second flash of an undie squiggle that reads poobah backwards. The point is that you get to watch pjorn and then you get to let off steam by killing someone. I tell ya these guys have a great system going. The most hypocritical bunch of retards ever created.arun wrote:^^^ Thanks for linking the video Nandu.
Not helped by my rudimentary knowledge of Urdu, I still remain somewhat flummoxed.
So was it the waving of a pair of shoes, while a Mohammadden religious hymn about the marriage of Mohammaddenism founders daughter was playing, that has got pious and pure Mohammadden’s beards all aquiver?
An elderly man accused of blasphemy was killed in a Pakistani police station, officials said on Saturday.
Khalil Ahmed, 65, from the minority Ahmadiyya community, was arrested on May 12 in the eastern province of Punjab after a local shopkeeper accused him of having insulted Islam.
A man dressed in a police uniform came to the station on Friday to meet Ahmad, a police official said on condition of anonymity.
“On seeing the accused, he killed him with his shotgun,” he said.
Police arrested the attacker. His religious affiliation was not immediately known.
Three teenagers who were also arrested for blasphemy with victim had already been released on bail, another officer said.
Why does everyone think in quotas. In India - if X pecenatge of people are below 25 years of age - why the fork are exactly that percentage not represented in the Lok Sabha? We need 40 or some percent people below 25 years. And what about 5% from Karnataka? Karnataka has 11% of India's population. How about at least one Paki - because we have Pakis in India?arun wrote:
Only 22 Muslims in 16th Lok Sabha