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Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby vivek.rao » 23 May 2014 19:26

krishnan wrote:
'According to a powerful section of the Congress party the vote was anti-Congress, anti-dynasty and pro-Modi, in that order.'

'Sonia is being accused, privately, of protecting her son at the cost of the party's interest.'

'For the first time ever, 24 Akbar Road, the Congress headquarters, is assessing the "intent" of the Gandhi Parivar, which has never happened before.'


http://www.rediff.com/news/report/exclu ... 140523.htm

After being reduced to 44 seats, don't think Congressmen can afford to remain loyal slaves to the dynasty.


The senior leader has seen it all and done it all in what is called Congress culture. He and other Congress leaders shared with Rediff.com insights into Modi's victory that, obviously, even BJP leaders may not be able to replicate. The experience counts in the matter of political diagnosis.

Sonia Gandhi's ascension to power in the Congress in 1998 came amidst the issue of her foreign origin, the re-acceptance of dynastic politics by the party, sharpening of the Congress stand on secular issues that were sometimes taken to extremes, as it happened in the way the Sachar committee report on Muslims was handled, politically.

Sonia's politics veer around government policy to favour the poor and minorities to such an extent that Rahul Gandhi seriously started believing that the Direct Cash Transfer scheme was a game-changer that would get the Congress around 250 seats, reveals the Congress leader.

Justifiably, Rahul Gandhi is seen as the main culprit who has dispatched the Congress party to the graveyard. To rise again, Rahul will have to learn the ways of the Congress, the leader feels.

In view of the completely desi appeal of Modi's campaign some people now seriously question if there is a Western influence inside Rahul's office that recommends actions without knowing Indian realities.


Rahul would like to build up the party from scratch, but how can he clear the Congress liabilities when his own balance sheet shows a nil balance?

A fight has broken out between the two forces. Rahul and his team want to blame the old daddies and the UPA government's corruption for the party's shameful performance, while 24, Akbar Road's biggies want to point out that Rahul's politics lacks an 'Indian' touch and Modi has gained precisely because he understood the majority -- the Hindus.

The Congress defeat speaks clearly and loudly that the dynasty that won votes in 2004 and 2009 failed because of its arrogance. Their 'We are born to rule' attitude has been rejected in the era of Twitter and 24 hours news television channels that dissect and blast every little act by political leaders.

It is not surprising that Congress leaders now understand the deep effect and disastrous dynamics of the Gandhi family's decision to anoint Rahul Gandhi as its general going into electoral war. While the Italy-born party president Sonia Gandhi kept a low profile for the last 10 years, she went overboard to protect and launch her son in the party that obviously deserved better.

Certainly, among Priyanka, Rahul and Sonia Gandhi, Sonia's image is not tainted, even now, among Congressmen. But now she is being accused, privately, of protecting her son at the cost of the party's interest.


Many Congressmen forcefully argue that they have the wherewithal to fight the BJP any day, any time, but Modi resorted to 'Bhartiyata' and captured the imagination of the voters, besides doing many other things.

Precisely for this, Congressmen find huge problems with Rahul's 'Western-type' behaviour.


Modi's temple visits, his idiom, his oratory and his use of local phrases ensured that "he was not a stranger to the people." Even most voters who didn't understand Modi's language felt "he is one of us." Even after the election, Modi is monopolising "Indian-ness" in political events as he did during the campaign.


His Ganga aarti in Varanasi on May 17, the way he bowed down at the steps of Parliament on May 20 were actions that cannot be dubbed acts of fanatical Hindutva. It is Bhartiyata for Indian voters, says the Congress leader pained to see his party's downfall.


Congress and secular pundits kept debating BJP leader Amit Shah's Hindutva agenda, but Modi has arrived in New Delhi with the politics of Bhartiyata.
:rotfl:

According to the exclusive insights that Rediff.com has, Rahul Gandhi is not likely to get away with his dismal performance of 44 Lok Sabha seats. It seems the grand old party will ensure that he changes his way and "takes the party" along with him.

After the Budget session of the new Lok Sabha, he is likely to be told: Improve or be banished.

For the first time ever, 24 Akbar Road, the party's headquarters, is assessing the neeyat (intent) of the Gandhi Parivar, which has never happened before. No journalist on the Congress beat has ever heard such words in the party against the Gandhis. That such expressions are emerging out of the Congress's internal churning, is a huge thing.


Congressmen understand what Modi's arrival brings to New Delhi. The party is alerting Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi that even if they think they are born to rule and can continue with their snooty ways, then they will confront a reality check sooner than later.

Congressmen have no doubt that Rahul Gandhi's arrogance and ignorance have brought the Congress down to 44 seats. His office, under the influence of America-trained Indians, produced a political campaign that reflects anything but 'Bhartiyata.'

Sonia Gandhi is still respected among defeated partymen, but she is not in a strong enough position to encash her goodwill to keep pushing her son within the party that finds itself in an existential battle.


All these years the Nehru-Gandhis delivered votes and the party in turn provided unflinching loyalty. It was a mutually beneficial deal.

But Rahul Gandhi's repeated failure is likely to change the Congress course.

Inside the party, a tsunami of anger has erupted. It does not reach the media because the Congress has been so completely demolished that its leaders have enough time to plan their rebellion.

In fact, not many senior Congress leaders are shocked by the result; many of them felt the party would get around 70 seats or below. Many Congressmen could see the failure of the government, Cabinet ministers and Rahul Gandhi in every which way. It is unlikely that Sonia Gandhi was unaware of the pending disaster either.

Congress leaders dubbed Modi as a leader who polarises the country, but his victory shows that a lot of Modi's symbolism, which was dubbed as 'communal Hindutva', has been accepted by millions of voters as 'Bhartiyata'. Even if this is deception of the highest order, it has worked for the BJP.

When Mani Shankar Aiyar insulted Modi at the January session of the All India Congress Committee and said at the most he could open a tea stall at the venue, just a few hours later Rahul Gandhi cheered Aiyar for his role in creating the Panchayati Raj Act. No politician can get more arrogant than this.

When in Snoopgate the girl the Modi government allegedly spied on was reluctant to make it an issue and when her father came out declaring total support for Modi, Rahul Gandhi did not have a clue that the issue was not politically viable anymore.

When Modi touches the dharti (ground) of Parliament he does not look strange. Even a Congress leader feels, "He doesn't look ajooba (strange)." But Rahul Gandhi and Priyanka do -- that is the brutal assessment that has dawned on Congressmen, a bit late in the day.


Many Congressmen, furious with Rahul Gandhi and his ways of things, add that since they won the 2009 mandate there is no enthusiasm in the country. The way a euphoria has accompanied Modi's triumph, no such hysteria enveloped Manmohan Singh then, they say. A more serious setback was the way many ministers lost their credibility.

From P Chidambaram and Kapil Sibal to Jairam Ramesh, these leaders turned into hate figures. On social media they were hooted, while within the country they didn't get heartfelt respect even for the first few months. The image percolated down that some ministers were looting the country. This impression could never be countered, and things got worse after Modi embarked on his whirlwind campaign.

It is untrue that the Congress did not spend money on its election campaign. Any party that has been in power for 10 years would have money. Modi obviously spent a massive amount of money, but that alone cannot make one a prime minister, Congressmen now argue.

So, what next?

Will the dynasty remain at the centre of the Congress?

If the Congress thinks that "Bhartiyata ki jeet hui hain", then it is obvious that the party will take the reins in its hands to see how things go with the Gandhis and how much is their flexibility to accommodate the Congress need to understand a majority of Indians.

Also, without an acknowledgement of Indian-ness that has been more the Congress trademark than any other party's, the Congress knows there is no scope of revival.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby sooraj » 23 May 2014 19:33

Pakistan, China and Japan to receive high priority under Narendra Modi's foreign policy
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/pakistan-china-and-japan-to-receive-high-priority-under-narendra-modis-foreign-policy/articleshow/35489428.cms

[]Prime Minister-elect Narendra Modi's foreign policy will be "Vajpayee-plus", defined by "out-of the-box thinking" and "completely different from what his critics expect". Also, South Asian neighbours and Asian giants China and Japan will be Modi's first foreign policy priorities.

People belonging to a small team working closely with Modi's core team on major foreign policy and security policy matters told ET that Modi's invitation to all Saarc leaders, including Pakistan's Nawaz Sharif, was "just the beginning of a redefined and radically rethought" foreign policy.

Modi's invite to South Asian leaders took everyone by surprise, forcing even his political rivals to praise him and creating a positive atmosphere in South Asia even before he takes over formally. One person familiar with these discussions in Modi's team said, "Atal Bihari Vajpayee had come the closest of any PMs to achieving a breakthrough with Pakistan. Modi's effort is not just to be like Vajpayee but Vajpayee-plus."

"He is passionate about going down in history as the man who transformed India and its relationship with its neighbours, especially Pakistan," the person added. This person also said Modi was aware his invite to Saarc leaders was liable to be misinterpreted. "But he was resolute.

By choosing Saarc countries, he made sure that it was a balanced conglomerate and that he was not singling out any country," this person said. Another person familiar with these discussions said the PM-elect will make it a point not to subjugate "national interest to local political opposition".

"For Modi, the message is important. With the Saarc invites, he has sent a message not only to the world but also his critics within the country that he will do business on his own terms. RSS may have a problem with the invite to Pakistan. Ally Vaiko can object to invitation to Rajapaksa. Jayalalithaa can call it unfortunate.


But Modi is clear that he will not look at issues in a traditional way," he said. This person also said that the seriousness with which Modi wants a positive and radically new message on foreign policy is reflected in his responses to other party leaders' statements that send out "negative signals". He cited the instance of BJP leader Nitin Gadkari commenting during a TV channel debate that a BJP government "is not Manmohan Singh's government which will take things lying down."

This person said Modi "was unhappy at this comment". "A message has gone to party leaders that no war-mongering statements should be made". "Don't cross the line between nationalism and intolerance", that's the PM-elect message to his party, this person said. Another person familiar with Team Modi's foreign policy brainstorming said the PMelect is "conscious that many of his campaign statements were considered hardline".

"His message now is that in government he will be an innovative statesman...conscious of national interest but pragmatic". On China and Japan, this person said "Modi's thinking is that Indo-China and Indo-Japan good relations are key to increasing India's global authority". "The PM-elect also has a soft corner for China and Japan," this person said, "because they engaged with him when most important countries were refusing to do so".[/b]
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby sooraj » 23 May 2014 19:40

Modi’s foreign policy agenda
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/05/23/commentary/modis-foreign-policy-agenda/#.U39eYNKKDIU

[]On the one hand, the world is intrigued by India’s new leader, Narendra Modi, who inflicted such a devastating defeat on the grand old party of Indian politics and has replaced the well-known and widely respected Manmohan Singh.

On the other hand, the world is anxious about the foreign policy implications of someone who has held no national post and will lead the government of a billion-strong, nuclear-armed country with the world’s fourth-biggest economy in purchasing power parity ($5.4 trillion to Japan’s $4.7 trillion).

The world should stop worrying. The elements of foreign policy continuity under the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and Congress-led governments of AtalBihari Vajpayee (1999-2004) and Manmohan Singh (2004-2014) are far more numerous and substantial than the readjustments on the margins.

Vajpayee turned around the relationship with the U.S. with sustained engagement after the 1998 nuclear-tests setback. His diplomatic overtures to Pakistan and China successfully insulated foreign policy from domestic political pressures and delinked the two border disputes from deepening engagement on a broad range of other fronts.

Singh’s impulse and instincts were the same, but his far weaker position in the domestic structure left him no space to push foreign policy initiatives. He outsourced Sri Lanka and Bangladesh policies to difficult coalition allies in Tamil Nadu and West Bengal. Even his signature civil nuclear cooperation deal with the U.S. is unconsummated after domestic opponents successfully hobbled it with a draconian nuclear liability law.

Vajpayee had injected a healthy dose of realism into India’s penchant for woolly thinking on international issues, bringing greater coherence and focus. Similarly, instead of the vague and nebulous “strategic autonomy” that has no operational meaning, Modi is likely to provide clear strategic direction and efficient policy execution. He is unlikely to abandon nuclear restraint or the pursuit of South Asian regional engagement and economic integration. He will need to reassure Pakistan and will have domestic political space to do a deal — the Nixon goes to China model — if he finds a partner for peace. A welcome early portent is the invitation to all South Asian leaders to attend his inauguration.

Modi had his U.S. visa revoked because of alleged complicity in Gujarat’s 2002 anti-Muslim riots and, gratuitously and insultingly, a prospective visa denied even without an application. This from the Bush administration,which endorsed torture as official policy and was responsible for an illegal war of aggression that caused the death and displacement of millions of Iraqis. Modi was the elected head of government of a well-run state, was never charged with any crime, independent judicial probes exonerated him, and Gujarat has functioned within the national bandwidth in Hindu-Muslim relations since 2002.

Washington has begun a diplomatic minuet of reaching out to the previously untouchable Modi. President Barack Obama welcomed the democratic process as a vibrant demonstration of shared values of diversity and freedom and looks forward to working with Modi to make the coming years “transformative” for bilateral relations.

A “Modicum” of self-respect might suggest that, with apologies to Groucho Marx, he would not want to visit a country that had ostracized him. But a prime minister is no longer a private person and must elevate collective interests above personal pique. India’s relationship with the U.S. is too important for the prime minister to refuse to visit.

Still, maybe Modi could make it a point to let the U.S. wait and sweat a while for its spectacular act of self-harm: yet another example of the validity of Churchill’s claim that we can always trust Washington to do the right thing, after they have tried everything else first.

Many irritants have crept into the bilateral relationship, including the unresolved row over the arrest and strip-search of India’s deputy consul-general in New York by a publicity seeking and overzealous prosecutor while the State Department was off-duty. Washington is likely to find Modi’s Delhi more self-confident and assertive than the docile, hand-wringing Singh. But India should rescind its self-damaging nuclear liability law and sign deals with Australia, Canada, the U.S. and Russia.

Modi’s first bilateral overseas tour will probably be to China or Japan. Both have aggressively courted him over the past decade while the West treated him as a pariah. When the U.S. closed its shores in 2005, Modi went east to Japan in 2007 and opened new investment channels between Gujarat and ⤢Japan.During a high-profile four-day visit to Japan in July 2012, he was treated above his protocol station.

When Shinzo Abe led his party to a landslide victory in Japan’s 2012 general election, he broke from protocol in taking a congratulatory call from Modi as a state leader. The mutual respect between the two strongly nationalist prime ministers could pay handsome dividends for both countries now.

As state premier, Modi promoted business and trade cooperation between China and Gujarat, and led a high-profile delegation to China on a five-day visit in November 2011. He was received in the Great Hall of People in Beijing, an honor normally reserved for heads of state/government. His known commitment to infrastructure development, courting investment and creating special economic zones might lead to more intensified interaction with China, overcoming the traditional reserve of Indians for consolidating and deepening ties with China in strategic sectors.

Only a strong leader can challenge U.S. economic and political dominance. The BRICS group (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) provides a ready forum to do so with other like-minded countries, including China. But a nationalist leader might also pursue a policy of enmeshing India in a web of allies in the neighborhood as a strategy for forging strategic links around China, and will look askance at China’s anti-Indian links with other South Asian countries, especially Pakistan.

Modi might also consider investing more diplomatic capital in groupings like BRICS. The BRICS have been far more sympathetic to Russia than to Europe and the U.S. on the Ukraine crisis. Will Modi take an interest in the planned BRICS development bank?

What will be his personal chemistry with the other leaders in BRICS and, for that matter, the Group of 20?

India’s antiquated bureaucratic setup is out of tune with contemporary reality and needs. Modi should appoint a capable and powerful foreign minister who can initiate and oversee a drastic overhaul of the recruitment, training and promotion practices of a greatly enlarged foreign service.

And merge India’s foreign policy and trade bureaucracies to help turn India’s legendary miles of red tape into a red-carpet welcome.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Jarita » 23 May 2014 19:48

A word of caution but Shinzo Abe is a pukka catholic. He is viewed as a catholic revivalist in Japan by the Pope. Some of his aggrandizement by the west is due to his religion and open market policies

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby muraliravi » 23 May 2014 19:54

Jarita wrote:A word of caution but Shinzo Abe is a pukka catholic. He is viewed as a catholic revivalist in Japan by the Pope. Some of his aggrandizement by the west is due to his religion and open market policies


Can you please provide some links to support this. I searched all over google and all I see is that he is a shinto. I see no proof for him being a christian.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby johneeG » 23 May 2014 20:02

Congress and secular pundits kept debating BJP leader Amit Shah's Hindutva agenda, but Modi has arrived in New Delhi with the politics of Bhartiyata.


The whole point is that: Bhaarathiyatha == Hindhuism.
The kongis(or their fourfathers) and their eco-system tried to redefine Bhaarathiyatha as Secularism(or first-phase of unHindhuization).

Hindhuthva is just a reaction to that attempt.

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There was article about what can Republicans learn from Modi:
I just read a few lines of that article and started shaking my head. Modi simply identified what unites most of Bhaarathiyas: Hindhuism and used soft-Hindhuism to send message.

The major difference has been that unlike his predecessors he has couched his Hindhuthva in development and governance terminology. For example, he talks about cleaning Ganga, stopping cow slaughter, removing art 370, sending back illegal Bdheshi immigrants, saving women from rapes, ...etc. But all these are Hindhuthva issues if one understands the situation properly. However, Modi has projected them as Governance and Development issues. Those who are pro-Hindhuthva know these issues to be Hindhuthva issues. Even those who are anti-Hindhuthva(or anti-Hindhuism) know these are Hindhuthva issues. The fence sitters are the only ones who don't know and they are the ones who are targeted by this. By couching the Hindhuthva issues in terms of development and governance, Modi has removed the fig leaf behind which the so-called secular cabal hide and appeal. This terminology also gives respectability to pro-Hindhuthva side and makes it easier for people to wear it on sleeve and thereby increasing its popularity.

Another point is that Modi comes from a so-called backward caste. Rightly or wrongly, BJP was perceived as a upper-caste party. Projection of Modi, has removed that stigma of being a party of just a particular section and instead BJP has become a party of Hindhus and therefore BJP has gained tremendously by a Hindhu consolidation across the board. The Hindhu consolidation happened due to the brazen appeasement tactics of the other parties. For Republicans, this is equivalent to projecting a non-white.

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Similarly, there was another article about Modi's advertizing tactics. It argued that Modi gained because he kept his message simple and focused: development unlike his opponents who had many messages. I don't think this is a proper analysis. Though the overarching theme was development, Modi focused on different aspects in different areas to target different audience. The message was customized to suit his audience. When he went to riot prone area, his message was different. The theme was still development, but the focus was different.

And most importantly, soft-Hindhuthva was used by Modi because he already had hard-Hindhuthva credentials among masses. Rightly or wrongly, he is perceived as a Hindhuthva strongman. Modi used it to his advantage unlike say Advani who tried to distance himself from Hindhuthva in 2009 which backfired for him(Modi must have seen it and imbibed the lessons).

It seems most of these tactics are already practiced in American electoral process. Soft-X-ism is used by one and all to appeal to their audience.

Once in government, Modi continues with Hindhuthva issues but will use development and governance terminology to justify them. Basically, he is asserting that Bhaarathiyatha means Hindhuism or Hindhuthva as opposed to the belief of kongis.

The big takeaway seems to be Hindhuthva + development is a winning formula.

In short, Modi has glamorized Hindhuthva with development.

In 90s, Hindhuthva was like the Goddess Kaali: fierce and fear-inducing.
Modi has presented Hindhuthva as Goddess Lakshmi: beautiful, benevolent and boon-giving.

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There is another angle to the rise of Modi:
Social Media and Internet Hindhu.
The left and kongis have gained tremendously by being in power. They have been able to patronize a 'intellectuals' and suppress others thus controlling the narrative and discourse. The rise of social media and middle-class literate Hindhus with access to internet and yet rooted to Hindhuism has shattered this hold of kongis and left. Their narrative has been demolished by this new force. Modi sarkaar is the logical evolution of that change.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Jarita » 23 May 2014 20:03

Please google Akie Abe catholic. His wife is a declared Roman Catholic and as per my Japanese colleagues Shinzo shares her beliefs.

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Postby SaiK » 23 May 2014 20:09

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Apt pic for general singha's story

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Postby SRoy » 23 May 2014 20:09

sooraj wrote:Pakistan, China and Japan to receive high priority under Narendra Modi's foreign policy
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/pakistan-china-and-japan-to-receive-high-priority-under-narendra-modis-foreign-policy/articleshow/35489428.cms
But Modi is clear that he will not look at issues in a traditional way," he said. This person also said that the seriousness with which Modi wants a positive and radically new message on foreign policy is reflected in his responses to other party leaders' statements that send out "negative signals". He cited the instance of BJP leader Nitin Gadkari commenting during a TV channel debate that a BJP government "is not Manmohan Singh's government which will take things lying down."

This person said Modi "was unhappy at this comment". "A message has gone to party leaders that no war-mongering statements should be made". "Don't cross the line between nationalism and intolerance", that's the PM-elect message to his party, this person said. Another person familiar with Team Modi's foreign policy brainstorming said the PMelect is "conscious that many of his campaign statements were considered hardline".


Is the above true? Modi uncomfortable with sabre rattling?

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Postby Sanku » 23 May 2014 20:10

Jarita wrote:Please google Akie Abe catholic. His wife is a declared Roman Catholic and as per my Japanese colleagues Shinzo shares her beliefs.


Please google Shinzo Abe Shinto. You will find many accustations of him being a Shintovadi

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby negi » 23 May 2014 20:14

Invitations to non significant SAARC jokers for PM ceremony to me was just a page out of INC's moth eaten book and should have avoided. On the ground nothing will change if these were invited or not but as far as public perception is concerned BJP has just done what INC has been doing for ages i.e. having chai pakoras and then call it 'shishtachar' (courtesy). Modi could have sent a far better message by celebrating this win with just Indians and not some foreign jokers . Please don't tell me engaging SAARC constituents could not have happened without this , this is just like wearing a skull cap and claiming I am secular.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Mihaylo » 23 May 2014 20:25

Shamlee wrote:Mihaylo, You have just provided an idea to any left-winger who might be lurking here. Please delete your post before it is too late. :)



....I'd rather they take the bait and fall to the depths of stupidity. Besides, a few nincompoops among the far far left have been trying to make that connection for a long time.

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Postby muraliravi » 23 May 2014 20:31

Sanku wrote:
Jarita wrote:Please google Akie Abe catholic. His wife is a declared Roman Catholic and as per my Japanese colleagues Shinzo shares her beliefs.


Please google Shinzo Abe Shinto. You will find many accustations of him being a Shintovadi


Well said.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Anantha » 23 May 2014 20:42

http://wap.business-standard.com/article/politics/modi-s-parting-gift-for-gujarat-govt-staff-114052301153_1.html#.U39XmE1Kbnt.twitter
And now this.
NaMo donates most of his savings 21lakhs for education of girls of peons of Guj govt

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Postby JohnTitor » 23 May 2014 20:56

krishnan wrote:
'According to a powerful section of the Congress party the vote was anti-Congress, anti-dynasty and pro-Modi, in that order.'

'Sonia is being accused, privately, of protecting her son at the cost of the party's interest.'

'For the first time ever, 24 Akbar Road, the Congress headquarters, is assessing the "intent" of the Gandhi Parivar, which has never happened before.'


http://www.rediff.com/news/report/exclu ... 140523.htm

After being reduced to 44 seats, don't think Congressmen can afford to remain loyal slaves to the dynasty.

And yet they are:

Voices in favour of Priyanka grow stronger in Congress

Never overestimate a congis ability to lick feet and kiss @ss!

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby JE Menon » 23 May 2014 20:58

^^The opposite also applies.

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Postby JohnTitor » 23 May 2014 21:04

KrishG wrote:With todays attack on our Afghan Consulate, I am having feeling that Pakis are testing the waters wrt NaMo. They want to see his response and the speed/strength on the response. Its an absolute no brainer that ISI is behind the attack.

It is with such instances in mind that NM invited SAARC to the ceremony. Here he will be crowned in front of the kings of the region. A king of kings.

I am 100% sure that during the brief meeting that he will have with each leader, he will make them realise he means business and won't be a push around like maun mohan.

Here, he is playing international politics which is over and above the party and domestic politics some people here and in the media are crying about.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Victor » 23 May 2014 21:26

RamaY wrote:
Who is maintaining records of Kashmiri Hindu families?
Per internal sources (the deepest kind) each Kat at least one son to Indian Special Forces :twisted:
They all will return to Kashmir with families.

Yes. And since KPs were forced to live all over India, many married locals in Chennai, Bodoland, Amritsar, Katihar, Dimapur etc. They too will return.

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Postby Jarita » 23 May 2014 21:30

Sanku wrote:
Jarita wrote:Please google Akie Abe catholic. His wife is a declared Roman Catholic and as per my Japanese colleagues Shinzo shares her beliefs.


Please google Shinzo Abe Shinto. You will find many accustations of him being a Shintovadi



Do not undermine the influence of the spouse. Keep in mind SOnia Gandhi


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Postby SPattath » 23 May 2014 21:35

From Tweeter, Modi during Pracharak days
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Postby Singha » 23 May 2014 21:42

Tigerish physique.

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Postby sivab » 23 May 2014 22:06



Narendra Modi's wife Jashodaben

Translation by NRI2014:
Q: How do you feel about NM about to be Prime Minister?
A: It is a matter of great joy for me that he will be PM.
Q: Had you taken any vow or penance for him to become PM?
A: I may have but it is a personal matter, not something to be disclosed.

Q: You were seen yesterday at a temple doing darshan and aarti .Was that related to any vow in regards to NM?
A: No. I was recognized as a minister (I think she meant minister’s wife) and given a welcome. The Katha started and I went to participate in the Katha and aarti.
Q: Have you been invited to NM’s swearing-in ceremony that is to take place shortly?
A: No. I have not been extended any invitation.
Q: Will you attend the swearing-in ceremony if you are invited?
A: Yes, why not.
Q:All these years you have lived separately. Neither have you remarried, nor divorced. What was the reason for this separation?
A: We have not divorced nor separated. We are together only.
Q: Under what circumstances did you (both) decide to live separately?
A: He joined Desh Seva(service of country). He renounced sansaar (society), that is why.
Q: It has been heard that NM encouraged you to study. Please elaborate.
A: He wanted to serve the country.
Q: NM inspired you to study and you continued your education subsequestly …
A: Yes, he had asked me to continue my education so I did.
Q: After all these years of living apart, what are your emotions towards NM?
A: I have a lot of affection towards him, he has never wronged me, he has done only good work for me.
Q: Even while being away from you, did he take care of you? Communicate with you?
A: Yes we used to talk about general topics.
Q: When did you last speak with him?
A: Last we talked in 1987. He had said “I am wandering (travelling) all the time, how will you keep up with it. Instead you get settled”. But I thought, no I don’t want to (get settled).

Q: Today if NM asks you to reside with him, will you go to Delhi?
A: Yes, if he calls me why wouln’t I go? I would go.
Q: Did you ever anticipate that NM will become PM?
A: His achievements after 2002 and the country’s recognition of it… I and others thought…A man with such leadership…It is all about karmas (action) He has come ahead because of his actions and intelligence. A man always gets ahead in life because of his intelligence. Both actions and intelligence. He has been successful because of his intelligence. Not because of any body else.

Q: Your name was never mentioned in any of NM’s rallies or discourses before 2014. Why is that?
A: He had never mentioned my name anywhere. But this time when he filled the form compulsorily in Vadodra, he accepted it.
Q: When he publicly accepted you as his wife for the first time, how did you feel?
A: I felt nice, very nice. After all these years he has remembered me then obviously I will feel good.

Q: NM is the role model of the country today. Hopes and expectations of many are tied to him. Such a person is your husband. How do you feel about this?
A: God has planned this role for him. (I did not understand the next sentence she says).
Q: Do you sometimes feel pride that you are NM’s wife?
A: Of course I do. I am his wife and will stay his wife. (Looks up with a smile)
Q: Would you like to say something about NM? What kind of person he is? How was his personality when he lived with you?
A: It (his personality) was very good. We had no problems. Everything was good.

Q: The govt of India provides a special security arrangement for a PM’s wife. Will you accept it if it is offered?
A: Yes. If they offer it I am ready to accept.
Q: How is your relationship with NM’s family? Do they visit you? Do you go to visit them?
A: No. If they come to visit then I will meet them. He has never said I am not married. No one has said that. He has always said that we are married but we each live in our own way. Cannot fault him (in this matter).
Q: Are you proud that NM is your husband?
A: Of course I am proud. Why wouldn’t I be. It is a matter of great joy. I am the happiest person about it, more than the whole family, more than the whole country.

Q: Will you go to meet him?
A: Yes I will.
Q: Is there a plan for when you will go to meet him?
A: When the time comes, then I will go. When my heart wants, I will go.
Q: NM was a Sangh worker, then he became CM, now PM. What do you say about his progress?
A: There is nothing for me to say. (I didn’t understand next sentence)
Q: What prayer do you have for God?
A: That he may be successful in his work. That he be forever happy. That is my hope.

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Postby Vikas » 23 May 2014 22:08

RamaY wrote:
Who is maintaining records of Kashmiri Hindu families?
Per internal sources (the deepest kind) each Kat at least one son to Indian Special Forces :twisted:
They all will return to Kashmir with families.


RamaY ji, Do those who fight with stealth and lurk on BRF forums count as members of SF :mrgreen:

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Postby ManjaM » 23 May 2014 22:22

Reg interview of Jashodaben. My god, what amazing grace and poise!! Truly the two of them are heads and shoulders above most. One needs to have realised who they really are, to be able to have this kind of sincerity, dignity and understanding of the situation like she has displayed. I choked up. Hats off to them both.

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Postby suryag » 23 May 2014 22:53

She is so modest and so indic, pranaams to her

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Postby Muppalla » 23 May 2014 23:00

suryag wrote:She is so modest and so indic, pranaams to her


+108.

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Postby vivek.rao » 23 May 2014 23:00

ManjaM wrote:Reg interview of Jashodaben. My god, what amazing grace and poise!! Truly the two of them are heads and shoulders above most. One needs to have realised who they really are, to be able to have this kind of sincerity, dignity and understanding of the situation like she has displayed. I choked up. Hats off to them both.


Bharatiyata at display!

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Postby pankajs » 23 May 2014 23:13

TIMES NOW ‏@timesnow 4h

In a provocative speech, 26/11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed warned Nawaz Sharif against travelling to India

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Postby Agnimitra » 23 May 2014 23:15

sivab wrote:

Narendra Modi's wife Jashodaben

dandavat pranaams to Smt. Jashodaben. Brought me to tears.

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Postby Atri » 23 May 2014 23:20

beautiful.. pranaam jasodaben.. :)

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Postby RoyG » 23 May 2014 23:30

pankajs wrote:
TIMES NOW ‏@timesnow 4h

In a provocative speech, 26/11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed warned Nawaz Sharif against travelling to India


Nawaz Sharif is like another MMS. He takes orders from the real power center of the country, the PA. I'm actually annoyed with the same nonsense that some of our security experts continue to spit out. Peace with Pakistan, Nawaz Sharif is a good guy, etc., totally ignoring the elephant in the room which is islamic fundamentalism that is consuming everything outside of punjab under the guidance of the army. We have the start encouraging separatism inside the country. If it gets big enough it will keep the PA on the defensive and relieve some of the pressure on Afghanistan and on us.

We need to switch it up from a pangolin defense to a porcupine one. There needs to be painful repercussions for their belligerence. A barb in the right place can even put them out cold for good.

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Postby arminius » 23 May 2014 23:41

pankajs wrote:
TIMES NOW ‏@timesnow 4h

In a provocative speech, 26/11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed warned Nawaz Sharif against travelling to India

This whole business of inviting Badmash et al could have been avoided, as it is Modi has enough political capital. I hope he has not been bitten by NoBull prize bug. The very sight of a paki in Delhi is cringe-worthy.

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Postby Rudradev » 23 May 2014 23:43

Going after 370 de-jure by the expected Legislative/Presidential process is what the enemy expects, and it is what they already have mechanisms in place to oppose loudly with shrill cries of "secularism", news-trader drama etc.

What must be done is that 370 should be undermined and rendered completely irrelevant de-facto. That process may very well be in the offing already.

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Postby RamaY » 23 May 2014 23:44

pankajs wrote:
TIMES NOW ‏@timesnow 4h

In a provocative speech, 26/11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed warned Nawaz Sharif against travelling to India


arminius wrote:This whole business of inviting Badmash et al could have been avoided, as it is he has enough political capital. I hope he has not been bitten by NoBull prize bug. The very sight of a paki in Delhi is cringe-worthy.


If Nawas cannot visit, India will understand his situation. After all PM of Pakistan is controlled by Army, ISI, Taliban and who not... :P
If he visits, even better :wink:

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Postby Rudradev » 23 May 2014 23:53

People need to understand something. Nawaz Sharif got to be PM because, of all the parties in the Paki elections, his PMLN was the one most in bed with the Punjabi tanzeems (JeM, LeT, SSP, LeJ etc.) All the other parties' candidates were either getting blown up by these Tanzeems or scared to hold rallies, etc. because of the threat. Nawaz sailed through as a result.

Ties between Nawaz and people like Hafiz Suar are very deep and long-standing. They go both ways in terms of funding, political support, campaigning, recruitment, propaganda, and many kinds of "bijnejj" where the main competitor is TSPA-owned agriculture and industries. They are much deeper than the ties between Nawaz and TSPA (in fact the mainstream TSPA backed PTI/Imran Khan in the elections, but Nawaz won, revealing that the Punjabi Tanzeems and their ISI godfathers are a far more powerful backer in Paki domestic politics than even TSPA).

Defenders of Nawaz Sharif say that in fact, he and his brother Shahbaz have no choice but to be in bed with the Punjabi Tanzeems. They are his "insurance" against an Army Jernail (with possible US backing) deposing him once again, exactly as Musharraf did in 1999.

Now, consider calmly and carefully the result of the invitation to Nawaz Sharif by Modi. TSPA obviously disapproves but isn't saying anything in public. Meanwhile Hafiz Suar, Nawaz's "insurance" and most powerful backer so far, is threatening Nawaz in public. All this because Modi (who knows very well what he symbolizes in Pakistan) issued one invite to Nawaz to attend his swearing-in ceremony... the shakily-balanced equations of Pak Govt, TSPA and Jihadi tanzeems have received a hard whack. And Modi hasn't even been sworn in yet.

But maybe I am wrong, and maybe Modi is just after the Nobel Prize and coerced by secularitis to appease the Indian Muslim votebank, just like MMS was. :roll:

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It’s been a historic verdict and contrary to all your propaganda, misinformation campaigns, chest beating on national and international forums, twisting facts, fabrications and copious shedding of crocodile tears, for the first time almost after three decades, the country is going to have an absolute-majority Government with as clear a mandate as one can dream of. Hello stability. Bye bye anarchy. That’s settled.
For you it’s been a long battle, of course. The past 10-12 years were just a culmination and a crescendo but otherwise, you guys have been active for many decades in one form or another, pulling a string here, putting a piece there, ruining one career, promoting another. By colluding with the politicians, especially of the Congress variety, you have created an empire of mutual coexistence and devised a system to feed upon the masses of the country without killing them, for, if the masses die, whom do you feed on?


Divide the country at every pretext. Hammer into the minorities and the backwards why they need special treatment, how they are being suppressed, how they are being victimised and why they need protection from the majority. Blame the majority for being a majority. Denigrate its culture. Destroy its history. Throttle its sense of pride. Deride its festivals. Perpetrate intellectual confusion. Fill it with the plague of guilt. Do whatever it takes to crush its spirit completely. Isn’t it win-win situation? Keep the majority in doldrums and intellectual confusion and keep the minorities in a permanent state of insecurity. Nobody remains to put up a resistance.

Within this you-scratch-my-back-and-I-scratch-yours system, your political masters are happy, you are happy. More public insecurity means more consolidation for your political masters. More consolidation means greater political power. Greater political power means, well, power to do whatever you want to do. You get plum postings. You easily get grants. Massive funding is available for your NGOs without even one question asked. Your kids get admission in elite schools. You can get treatment in the best of hospitals. You enjoy foreign trips. You get to broker mega deals. You control the strings of millions of lives. Sometimes, even for writing a single Congress-friendly article you can get a bungalow in a posh locality. You can get published in “prestigious” magazines and newspapers even if you can’t write a single paragraph without mistakes. You can stop books from being published. You can easily get your own books published. You get to give talks at international conferences, mostly at exotic locations, all-expense paid. You get to hobnob with the Who’s Who of the society. You don’t have to worry about electricity. You don’t have to worry about water. Neither heat bothers you nor cold because you live and move in AC environment. Travel is automatically taken care of. Accommodation is something you never need to worry about. Your previous generation lived in the lap of luxury like this. Even the previous generation of the previous generation. And now you are reaping the fruits of all the trees your parents and grandparents planted. This is an ecosystem that has evolved over more than 60 years so naturally your multiple generations have contributed.


The problem is, your ecosystem hinges upon the survival of a particular class of political system. This political system sustains you to solve its own purpose. It needs you to keep the society divided and confused. It needs you to steer the public discourse in a desired direction. It needs journalists that never ask the right questions. It needs intellectuals like you who never hold them accountable. It needs scholars who can subvert the truth to weaken the cultural roots of the country. Basically, the survival of this particular class of political system depends on a highly polarised, a highly divided society, and you play a big part. You both support each other and without each other, life would be quite difficult.

As a result, it robs you of your sleep when Mr Modi talks about unifying the country under the concept of nationhood rather than a hodgepodge of identities. The unity disturbs you. The fact that people should be Indians first and then different religions and castes leaves you uneasy. This makes you feel that people’s identities are going to be expunged. The fault lines will be blurred. People won’t be fighting each other. Many-ness, you pontificate, is better than oneness. It’s the current status of divisiveness and polarisation and fear and suspicion that sustains you, how can you possibly let it go?

Your very existence depends on being a champion of someone, of the downtrodden, of the endangered, of the marginalised and the victimised. Most of you run one or the other NGO. According to a CBI report – yes, a Government agency and not something related to the RSS – there are more than 20 lacs NGOs in India which means, there is one NGO for every 600 Indians. If you go by the conservative figures of the Home Ministry, these NGOs get roughly Rs 11,500 crore from various international agencies annually. With so much money involved, how can you even think of changing the status quo? I can understand your plight. Stronger India, a united India, a progressive India nullifies the existence of your NGO. Your favourite image of the country is someone like Mother Teresa putting a morsel into a half-skeleton-half-skin child whose big white eyes jut out of a withered, hairless skull.

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Postby Prem » 24 May 2014 00:05

Modi’s Triumph in India Is a Stroke of FortuneFor the Democratic World

Different Stroke

The decisive victory of Narendra Modi, 13-year chief minister — governor — of Gujarat State and candidate of the Bharatiya Janata party, is seen by the international Left as a victory of a semi-fascist sectarian implicated in the massacre of up to 2,000 Muslims in 2001, and by the international moderate Right as India’s ticket to ride more quickly and comfortably into prosperity than China.
Conceivably, they could both be correct, but there is no recent evidence that Mr. Modi is carrying out a religious mission. All concede that, in his time in Gujarat, he tore down the state government, dispensed with reams of regulations and encumbrances, and justified his claim in the late election that he was dispensing with red tape and replacing it by rolling out a red carpet for investors.
He racked up 10% to 14% annual economic-growth rates in Gujarat, a state of 60 million people, and attracted heavy investment by sophisticated and high-paying manufacturers, including Ford and Tata. He greatly expanded hydroelectric generation in the state and made electricity universally accessible, which assisted in the improvement of irrigation, soil, and the quality of cotton and other crops; the rural economy grew even more quickly than urban industries, at a steady 14 percent annually.

All of us who remember the country’s first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, sitting in the garden of the sumptuous Edward Lutyens–designed official residence in New Delhi, fondling a rose and explaining in his Harrow and Cambridge and Inner Temple accent the moral superiority of India precisely because of its teeming poverty and the resulting virtue of the country’s disregard for materialism, will be relieved to see the unprecedented defeat his Congress party suffered last week.
That sensation will be more intense for those who also remember Nehru’s daughter, Indira Gandhi, fondling a rose off the same bush and parked in the same chair and giving essentially the same claim to moral exaltedness despite the squalor and corruption of her country, which her policies (like those of her father) did little to alleviate. The Congress party and the Nehru-Gandhi family clung to the headship of that vast country like limpets for all but about twelve of the 67 years of Indian independence.As in many other formerly colonial entities, the party that agitated most effectively for an end to colonial status reaped a post-independence dividend of prolonged incumbency. It cannot be said that Congress abused that right on the scale of Mugabe in Zimbabwe or even of the African National Congress in South Africa, but corruption was rife and, while democracy was not stifled, the pious affectation of moral superiority grated severely for decades.Despite Mahatma Gandhi’s championship of non-violence — he advised Jews to accept their fate and go quietly to the death camps, and to bear no bitterness against their Nazi executioners — he urged free passage for the Japanese armed forces through the British Indian Empire to carry the war into the Middle East and join up with Field Marshal Rommel’s Afrika Korps. Nehru claimed to be the founder of the neutral movement after Indian independence, hobnobbing with such neutrals as Sukarno of Indonesia, Nasser of Egypt, and even Castro.The whole stance was a monstrous fraud, as most of the member states of the movement were either Communist-dominated, like Indonesia; heavily paid by the USSR, like Egypt; or intimidated by the threat of Communist aggression. This last would have been true of India if it had not had implicit Western Alliance protection, and indeed the Chinese gave Nehru a good thrashing along their lengthy mountainous border. Indira Gandhi was still warbling about peace and respect for the dignity of all human life when she promoted war with Pakistan, helped engineer the breakup of that country, and then, for a sorbet, brought in compulsory sterilization on capricious criteria to ease the demographic burden of India’s high birthrate.Inevitably, the international Left is deeply distressed at the prospect of serious economic progress in India. The New Statesman, London’s upper-middle-brow far-left magazine, ran a lengthy report from William Dalrymple (whom I banned from London’s Telegraph newspapers twelve years ago for rampant, foaming-at-the mouth anti-Semitism in Middle East reporting, in his Islamist enthusiasm) detailing the massacre of the Muslims in Gujarat twelve years ago. On the magazine’s cover, the Dalrymple piece was headlined “India’s Worst Nightmare? Narendra Modi, neo-fascism and the making of a tyrant.” The tired, punch-drunk London journalistic Left adheres timelessly to its ancient subterranean standards of fair political reporting, and the lengthy article within was an appropriate farrago of leftist bigotry.
Certainly, the 2002 incident in which up to 2,000 people died was dreadful, and is a legitimate concern (though Mr. Modi was cleared by India’s Supreme Court). While Mr. Modi avoided anything tendentiously sectarian in his campaign, he may not yet be an overly tolerant man — but he doesn’t have to love India’s 160 million Muslims (despite its 800 million Hindus, it is the world’s third-largest Muslim country) as long as he doesn’t oppress them.The appeasement of Muslims has not been a successful policy in the recent past, and some degree of reciprocity toward the widespread Muslim official hostility to Christians, Hindus, and Jews, though unedifying in the abstract, might be a better bet than the groveling to Iran and Pakistan that the Obama administration and much of the West have engaged in so fruitlessly.Mr. Modi has won the first one-party majority in India in 30 years and has a clear mandate to “Thatcherize” the country (as he says). He has the formula from Gujarat and if he replicates it country-wide, shrinking government and encouraging investment and economic growth, the results could change the world and alter the world balance of power for the forces of democracy and against militant Islam. (He is a strong supporter of Israel, and the arrival of India beside the Canadians and Czechs and Greeks could make life for the Jewish state less lonely than it has been.)
The GDP per capita of India rose almost fivefold between 1992 and 2012, to $1,503 from $324. If Mr. Modi were to achieve across India the growth rates his policies produced in Gujarat for ten years, GDP would jump from $1.8 trillion to $5.1 trillion in ten years, and per capita GDP from $1,503 to $5,000. If the same growth stretched out another ten years from there, Indian GDP would be $13.1 trillion and per capita it would be about $9,700.Of course, these extrapolations never quite match up with the eventual reality. China’s have not, any more than those of Latin American population growth in the U.S. have; nor are the recent demographic trends in Western Europe really going to drive all those European nationalities into extinction like the carrier pigeon, as the trends of recent decades have indicated. But India does not have a 40% command economy like China’s; it does have, from the British, a reasonably plausible legal system; and Indian growth figures could be both harder to lay down exactly and also more spontaneously robust than China’s, in the highest traditions of capitalism.Whatever Mr. Modi’s opinion of Muslims, he is unlikely to submit to the temptations of general persecution and has shown an admirable disposition to share the benefits of economic growth with all elements of the population, including, in Gujarat, that state’s 5 million Muslims. If India progresses at anything like these rates, the impact on the world will be at least as great as that of the rise of Deng Xiaoping’s and his successors’ China.Winston Churchill, who did not hesitate to imprison Gandhi and Nehru during the war, may have meant, when he greeted Nehru at a Commonwealth prime ministers’​ meeting in 1952 as “the light of Asia,” that democracy could lead to an economic miracle. It was a stretch with Nehru, but it may not be with Mr. Modi.Those who have been shouting from the rooftops that China was about to take over the world may have noticed that the Chinese overplayed their hand and have been shown the door in Burma, and are not receiving the deference they have always thought they deserved from the Vietnamese. Japan and the Philippines are not rolling over either, and the rise of India, not any more “pivots” in the White House, is the best source of a strategic balance in eastern and southern Asia and Australasia.As Europe wallows and dithers and America retrenches, the arrival of India as the next Great Power in the world will be a providential stroke of fortune for the forces of democracy and of resistance to Islamic extremism and to the aggressive tendencies of the Russians and Chinese. This is the real importance of last week’s Indian election.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SaiK » 24 May 2014 00:08

The pre-election 2014 was focused on taking out one EVIL within, and successfully done that. Now folks, understand the EVIL outside can impact us and are integrated within proxies who are in coherent relationship that needs to be destoryed as well.

So, focus on destroying that EVIL surrounding desh!

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby chaitanya » 24 May 2014 00:59

I think I read a long time ago that ISRO and the government were looking into creating digital property databases using ISROs mapping capabilities. Is this continuing or did I just dream up the whole thing? :shock:

If I made it up, I think something like this should be explored by NaMo for clearing up land disputes.


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