Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[SwamyG]

@Supratik
All peace onlee from me to you....I hope I did not sound angry or rude....

1. Modi is dreaming something very large, and Pakistan happens to be in the way. All Akhanda Bharata, Federation or Union of Indian States ityadi fanbois are going to be watching keenly his moves and becoming happy onlee
2. I am fine with cynicism or skepticism, and all sorts of abuse or negativity. But it is just too early. He is just walking to the crease wearing a helmet, and people are shivering that he is not courageous or capable to face bouncers and fast pace.

It is fine to caution him about difficulties, but allow him to puff and beat his chest, no ? Let him make mistakes before giving up on him.

[gakakkad]

w.r.t sallu mian,who is talking about the guy being a "close Modi aide" ? he is just one of the 3000 odd people invited ... an invite from Modi does not mean an endorsement...stop over analysing..it stops being funny...in fact it sounds idiotic...

[chaanakya]

one general invite to saarc members and brfite already start taking of no-bull piss plice and modi being wkk and what not...

Pointer of things to come and obstacles to face. This invite diplomacy comes with no strings attached is lost on many.

[Murugan]

IndiaTV running a special aap ki adalat show on musilims and their viewes against modi.

Dont miss it. 20 mins passed but dont miss the remaining part. No doubt we will be able to see the same on utube

[SwamyG]

forget giving PoK,cashmere,bangalore,etc ..is he even going to have a mano e mano chai biskoot with badmash ? most likely badmash will go back with sore pindi chana in front of the entire saarc..

As per the media reports, there might be some chai biskoot session. Scanning a SL newspaper, they seam to be already shivering with the talk of Modi/India snatching away SL territories

To me it looks like Duryodhana has been just invited to Indraprastha. Granted, Duryodhana has his own skills, powers and agenda; the 'Palace of Illusions' still might throw some surprises. Will some Draupadi laugh? Only time can tell.

[negi]

w.r.t sallu mian,who is talking about the guy being a "close Modi aide" ? he is just one of the 3000 odd people invited ... an invite from Modi does not mean an endorsement...stop over analysing..it stops being funny...in fact it sounds idiotic...

Over anaylsis is favourite hobby of Chankians . Right and wrong do not need analysis it just requires a level head, in a country of 1 billion plus people 3000 is a very carefully chosen group if you wish to paint it in nicer colours feel free to do so. When you say justice to all it becomes very important that you distance yourselves from people who have been involved in criminal activities Sallu is by no means an exemplar in any field (name one and I shall concede) to be invited in such a function (remember he has already been convicted in black buck case aside of this case of manslaughter) and if this is about his religion then why was BRF and rest of us idiots here making fun of Nitish or even Kejriwal when they wore a skull cap ? It is important to be honest with oneself if one cannot even do that then there is no point in arguing as to who is a bigger Modi bhakt.

[Karan M]

Lilo ji, completely wrong. Modi is still and will be vulnerable for many years to come. Your suggestion just means open season on his admin assuming that he can now go about his own way and needs no support or help from those who got him to just the PMs post. Its our responsibility to continue to assist the admin and not just pressurize it.

Karan garu,
Actually there is no dearth of people who will blindly support him, now that he is the winning horse.
Even the presstitutes are changing colors now.

Currently the constituency which has its numbers skewed against it is the "critical bunch" on modi who are in the "right wing".There is no dearth of a such a "critical bunch" in the "leftist" sphere - but they are all a waste of time and bandwidth each delving on their own "breaking India" task.Most aam junta in the "center" have now tuned these leftists out(for now),except their "core" groups. And the fight against these Leftists need not be predicated or routed through our show of support for Modi.They are our ideological enemies and they will be getting their dues everywhere and everytime from us - irrespective of Modi.

There is a need for people to play a role of independently critiquing his govt from a rightist POV.

Its again not criticism for criticism sake - for example iam sure the invite to badmash is a Chankian move and need not be seen at facevalue.Suarly its a risky move, but its Chankian nonetheless, opening many future moves in the chessboard.
I can atleast decipher to that level.

Anyway i see my role thus.Each to his own role.

Liloji, even before he became PM, you were supporting the "lets be critics now", line. Before that IIRC, it was the Telegana stuff wherein you were deeply upset with him & BJP. My point is that you seem to have already made up your mind what your role is, assuming its all easy going for Modi & co, and also decided they should not even be allowed to make mistakes or have the leeway to do so.

This is not a personal slam at you BTW, its just pointing out that you are assuming the battle is won, when merely the opening steps of a long war to reclaim our space in our nation, have been gained.

All I am saying is that the man is not PM yet, and yet to proceed on the path of leadership and you are jumping the gun.

Its your assumption that we should fight the Leftists w/o considering Modi. That is fundamentally wrong (imho) and perhaps the biggest flaw in your analysis. Right now, they are baying for Modis blood, because he marks the biggest step in breaking their stranglehold on the corridors of power and the national discourse.

We should be exploiting this to the hilt. And not seeking new avenues of attack, when the main attack has yet begun. In our BRF terms, its committing your army and then promptly declaring the war won, when one critical objective is achieved.

Sorry, but I am not in that camp, wherein your best thought out motives and "skepticism" only serve to break the support people like Modi need, from within. The leftists, anti Hindu/tva, anti BJP camp need that. The likes of Sudheendra Kulkarni et al will still exist.

They are helped along by misguided patriots who think their actions are somehow constructive, but in reality destructive.

I firmly remember the extremely destructive and cynical role played by the likes of Spinster during the ABV era to completely turn significant sections of the forum against that gentleman and his administration.

And what came thereafter, showed us the reality between a competent, even if not infallible admin, versus one completely corrupt & venal.

Your enthusiasm to proceed down the same path of "informed skepticism". even before the man is PM, will lead to much the same.

Sorry, but no thanks.

I elected this man with the understanding that he has enough brains and gumption to get the job done. I am not going to sit around and second guess him.

Of course, if you are particularly unhappy with any decision or misstep, its your democratic right to engage with his team and communicate that.

But this "we are now in opposition as he does not need us any more stuff" is a complete misreading of the situation and how much the anti Modi group has support.

He is still on a shaky wicket & will be so for the first few years till he has the measure of the situation. Till then, he gets support, not my carping.

Also, you have been constantly referring to blind hero worship and the like. Perhaps you get that sense from the feeling many folks on this forum have for him & you dislike it. Perfectly within your rights. My perception is that I am not bothered by whether he is the best human being or infallible. All I am looking for is a nationalist whose heart is in the right place and attempts to do the right thing, put a good team in place to drive that vision. That is the kind of Govt I am looking for, versus the kind of crooks we have had in place, led by a person not even from India & completely contemptuous of the locals.

In the process, we have to protect the Modi Govt from attacks, external & internal, and allow it to proceed with 5 years of good governance, with the occasional misstep. Already, there are enough forces being put in place to rock that boat. The need of the hour and many thereafter is to remain united, not replay NDA from the previous times.

[sudarshan]

In the middle ages in Europe, there used to be these invites to visit the pope. Nobles would receive invitations for being honored or conferred titles by the pope himself. If the noble were foolish, he'd celebrate and rejoice in this new-found acclamation, and leave for the papal residence with much fanfare. If the noble were half-way savvy, he'd make his will, settle his affairs, provide for his wife and kids, and leave for the papal residence ready to meet his maker. Because the real reason for the invite was that the Church had an eye on the noble's estate and possessions, and the noble would most likely not leave the papal residence alive.

I can imagine the dread with which the regional satraps must be preparing to meet Modi. Enjoy the show, I say.

[gakakkad]

>>Pointer of things to come and obstacles to face.

obstacles were predictable... pm of roi is not an easy business..


>>This invite diplomacy comes with no strings attached is lost on many.

there is no indication that dialogue has been resumed...there is no indication that we have ceded any ground to the pakees...or to use the cliche "softened stand" (how soft could it get already?)

all that badmash is expected to do is come, watch the ceremony ,eat and drink and get out...

[johneeG]

In the middle ages in Europe, there used to be these invites to visit the pope. Nobles would receive invitations for being honored or conferred titles by the pope himself. If the noble were foolish, he'd celebrate and rejoice in this new-found acclamation, and leave for the papal residence with much fanfare. If the noble were half-way savvy, he'd make his will, settle his affairs, provide for his wife and kids, and leave for the papal residence ready to meet his maker. Because the real reason for the invite was that the Church had an eye on the noble's estate and possessions, and the noble would most likely not leave the papal residence alive.

I can imagine the dread with which the regional satraps must be preparing to meet Modi. Enjoy the show, I say.

Sudarshan saar,
this sounds really interesting. Please give some good source for further reading.

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w.r.t sallu mian,who is talking about the guy being a "close Modi aide" ? he is just one of the 3000 odd people invited ... an invite from Modi does not mean an endorsement...stop over analysing..it stops being funny...in fact it sounds idiotic...

Over anaylsis is favourite hobby of Chankians . Right and wrong do not need analysis it just requires a level head, in a country of 1 billion plus people 3000 is a very carefully chosen group if you wish to paint it in nicer colours feel free to do so. When you say justice to all it becomes very important that you distance yourselves from people who have been involved in criminal activities Sallu is by no means an exemplar in any field (name one and I shall concede) to be invited in such a function (remember he has already been convicted in black buck case aside of this case of manslaughter) and if this is about his religion then why was BRF and rest of us idiots here making fun of Nitish or even Kejriwal when they wore a skull cap ? It is important to be honest with oneself if one cannot even do that then there is no point in arguing as to who is a bigger Modi bhakt.

Negi saar,
all the faults of Sallu that you are counting are before he became supporter of NaMo. He cannot be distanced by NaMo for the mistakes that he allegedly committed before becoming a supporter. NaMo accepted the support of Sallu, so now he cannot be distanced unless he is convicted or makes some other mistake.

Anyway, drunk driving or shooting a buck are not moral mistakes. They are more of a lapse of judgement. The case of Sanjay Dutt is different. He is accused of supporting terrorists. It is not some lapse of judgement under alcohol or hunting deer. I don't think Sanjay Dutt's case should be compared to Sallu's case. The real issue is the allegations of connections to underworld.

Another larger issue is alcohol's role in encouraging illegal activity in society.

[Karan M]

Please read this TSP analysis,

Managing Modi


Shahzad Chaudhry
Friday, May 23, 2014
From Print Edition


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[Managing Modi] Two glass ceilings got broken in the first two decades of this century: a black man’s son became the president of the United States – the oldest democracy in the world and a chaiwala’s son was elected in a sweeping victory as the prime minister of India – the largest democracy of the world. A third such occasion is likely in 2016 when a woman just might become the first ever female president of the US. This is paradigms being shattered.

If you want to really celebrate democracy as some in this country are prone to do simply by seeing one civilian government transition to another, note the speed at which from mid-1960s both the ‘coloured’ and the women, and the weak, have been able to find their place in the real democracies of the world on their merit alone.

No dynasties, no historical reference of a father or a grandfather having once been at a position of entitlement – simply the capacity and the ability of a person (men, women, ‘coloured’) to prove his credentials in a field of play that is cut-throat competitive and where only the best will survive.

There are only two references in a competitive electoral play; the person: his charisma, charm and magical spell over the people – think Jinnah, Gandhi, Mandela, and Bhutto; and the performance – think Manmohan Singh when he got his country some exceptional growth figures under Narasimha Rao, and more recently, Narendra Modi with his outstanding developmental record in Gujarat.

Modi romped home with a strength that was surprising even to him though pundits had already predicted a wave of change. But what a performance. Kudos to India for such an election; not a murmur of rigging or absence of fair-play. To win in such an election and with the margin that Modi has, is simply too big a landmark in contemporary political history. It was a ‘wow’ moment for India and the country needs to be applauded for it.

Modi is a rare combination of the two. He has his spell and a sterling record of development, aided without doubt by an enabling environment where the electorate could only rest their hopes on him after others had betrayed it with dismal performance. He seems a man who can easily connect with the people. An effective orator, he outshined Rahul Gandhi who appeared unenthused and listless in comparison.

To the dismay of many in Pakistan, let me suggest that if Modi gets his act together, he will take India places. India will change, perhaps finally realising its dream and potential, as will its polity. India will never be the same again; this remains my considered opinion. He is that kind of fellow.

Many in Pakistan wondered if this was an election lost or an election won. If there was one factor that played in wooing the voters, it was leadership, or the lack of it when they disavowed the Congress. That did it for Modi. Modi appeared resolute, clear headed, focused and decisive; all that Manmohan or Rahul were not.

Is there a lesson out there for us and our political class? Especially in our current situation where not only are institutions entangled with each other, they are also breaking up within. What is needed for Pakistan too is a no-nonsense style of leadership that is upfront, owns the problems, and seems willing and active in doing something about it. Not the kind of absent leadership that sleeps by the side as the state and the nation unravel before it.

Statesmanship has been wrongly understood by this clan. They think sleeping through, or remaining detached and above the fray is how statesmen are made. There cannot be another as fallacious a conception. Statesmen are leaders, and leaders work with their hands. Will Modi spur Nawaz to do better? I feel the simple relativity of how India propels, and how Pakistan nosedives under listless, lackadaisical leadership, will be enough factors to force a change. Of what kind will remain to be seen. Manmohan’s listlessness was too contagious.

Modi, however is no goody-two-shoes. He is also characterised as the ‘butcher of Gujarat’. That will change. He is someone who reads his role well. What was needed then to appease some at the RSS was then and that helped him establish his position within the party; but now there is a different role for him.

The weight of his victory will help Modi establish his influence not only within the BJP, but also within the RSS. He is likely to have much greater freedom of action, as he now goes about establishing himself as a man of substance in the international arena. He will not be the gung-ho Modi that we assume, instead he will be deliberate, firm and unyielding in the way that he charts his and India’s future.

How might then Pakistan manage him? The first apprehension is will he war with Pakistan. Here is how it will go. He will begin with an immediate assessment of what his armed forces will need to gain an assured level of readiness – armed forces are always short of what they assume is absolute readiness; remember the nine months that Manekshaw needed before the 1971 war, or how the Indian army dithered after Mumbai from a reprisal action.

Modi’s aim will not be to seek a war. But come another situation like Mumbai 2008, he would like his military to respond with effect; of that there should be little confusion.

Pakistan will then need to evolve its own plan to first deter and then respond to such a reprisal. That will put them both on a slippery slope of escalation dominance.

What both sides will need instead are measures and processes that will control and manage escalation, not dominate it. Failing these the spiral down the stability regime will be rather rapid; consequences untold and horrendous.

It will also help if another Mumbai does not occur. We can be assured of Modi working hard to find space for an armed retribution if he was tested with something as horrible as that. It is better to be prepared than be surprised. And how do you manage him? By simply being better at what he does. With our current pack, forget it.

Tailpiece: In a master stroke Modi has invited Nawaz Sharif to his inauguration. That is enough to test the mettle of Pakistan’s leadership. If Nawaz goes he will need the acumen to dominate his first interaction with Modi. Otherwise he is coming back with a clearer enunciation of how Modi would like Nawaz to respond to his concerns. Devil and the deep blue sea, is it?

The writer is a retired air-vice marshal of the Pakistan Air Force and served as its deputy chief of staff.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... aging-Modi

[Lilo]

Karan garu,
Actually there is no dearth of people who will blindly support him, now that he is the winning horse.
Even the presstitutes are changing colors now.

Currently the constituency which has its numbers skewed against it is the "critical bunch" on modi who are in the "right wing".There is no dearth of a such a "critical bunch" in the "leftist" sphere - but they are all a waste of time and bandwidth each delving on their own "breaking India" task.Most aam junta in the "center" have now tuned these leftists out(for now),except their "core" groups. And the fight against these Leftists need not be predicated or routed through our show of support for Modi.They are our ideological enemies and they will be getting their dues everywhere and everytime from us - irrespective of Modi.

There is a need for people to play a role of independently critiquing his govt from a rightist POV.

Its again not criticism for criticism sake - for example iam sure the invite to badmash is a Chankian move and need not be seen at facevalue.Suarly its a risky move, but its Chankian nonetheless, opening many future moves in the chessboard.
I can atleast decipher to that level.

Anyway i see my role thus.Each to his own role.

Liloji, even before he became PM, you were pushing the "lets be critics now", line. Before that IIRC, it was the Telegana stuff wherein you were deeply upset with him & BJP.

All I am saying is that the man is not PM yet, and you have your knives out for him already. Its your assumption that we should fight the Leftists w/o considering Modi. That is fundamentally wrong and perhaps the biggest flaw in your analysis. Right now, they are baying for Modis blood, because he marks the biggest step in breaking their stranglehold on the corridors of power and the national discourse.

We should be exploiting this to the hilt. And not seeking new avenues of attack, when the main attack has yet begun. In our BRF terms, its committing your army and then promptly declaring the war one, when one critical objective is achieved.

Sorry, but I am not in that camp, wherein your best thought out motives and "skepticism" only serve to break the support people like Modi need, from within.

I firmly remember the extremely destructive and cynical role played by the likes of Spinster during the ABV era to completely turn significant sections of the forum against that gentleman and his administration.

Your enthusiasm to proceed down the same path of "informed skepticism". even before the man is PM, will lead to much the same.

Sorry, but no thanks.

I elected this man with the understanding that he has enough brains and gumption to get the job done. I am not going to sit around and second guess him.

Of course, if you are particularly unhappy with any decision or misstep, its your democratic right to engage with his team and communicate that.

But this "we are now in opposition as he does not need us any more stuff" is a complete misreading of the situation and how much the anti Modi group has support.

He is still on a shaky wicket & will be so for the first few years till he has the measure of the situation. Till then, he gets support, not my carping.

See Karan garu,
i see my red light in the highlighted part right above.
What i said on AP division was said as a Telugu - a subregional issue and you better show me the post where i criticized Modi on a non AP issue before the election with an intent for him to loose the election. If you cant you can go ahead and eat crow.
What i have been saying in this thread even before you began posting in this thread afaik is a matter of record and has been always said with a national outlook.
So i would not indulge in these "discussions" which begin with second guessing of other poster's intent just to make one's point.

[vic]

Sallu is supposedly a close friend and confidant of Shakeel the henchman and brother of Dawood. Lots of Sallus movies have been financed by D Co.

[SaiK]

is he trying to nail by invitee list, and thus from there on, engage his intel unit to snoop for emphatic evidences? one can't be that stupid to let terror funds go lavish within our democratic tenants. may be i am not aware of the terror networks within bollywood.

[Karan M]

See Karan garu,
i see my red light in the highlighted part right above.
What i said on AP division was said as a Telugu - a subregional issue and you better show me the post where i criticized Modi on a non AP issue before the election with an intent for him to loose the election. If you cant you can go ahead and eat crow.
What i have been saying in this thread even before you began posting in this thread afaik is a matter of record and has been always said with a national outlook.
So i would not indulge in these "discussions" which begin with second guessing of other poster's intent just to make one's point.

Thank you for proving my point with your aggressive response. You are the one putting words in my mouth here with the claim that I said your criticism was intended to make him lose the election. (PS besides which assuming you can make him lose the election is a bit rich, no? our support is fine and it may have made an impact, but its hardly the case that we alone can make him lose)

All I did point out - is that this is a repetition, wherein you are pushing for a lin "lets be skeptics now, I dont trust XYZ, I disagree with XYZ" line based on incorrect assumptions - that a) He doesn't need our support b) We need to carp on his record when he is yet to govern c) that all this needs to be done now d) leftists are done and dusted and can be tackled independently from Modi.

I am not second guessing your intentions. I am second guessing your analysis and your methods, both of which are (IMHO) completely flawed because the worst of decisions can be made with the best of intentions.

Also, I am not invested in eating or making you eat crow or humble pie. What I am however interested in, is giving the elected leader of India, time and space to be a leader, knowing the herculean task set before him.

Of cleaning a cesspool of corruption & bad governance, plus complete mindspace control by the left established over 60 years.

He has not even begun on the task, of launching the process and here you are playing auditor, judge and jury. In relevant parlance, its like the (mis)guided salvos of the CAG against the LCA program, when said program was still attempting to come to grips with decimation of Indian industry on basis of which it made its projections.

Thats all. Your intentions and patriotism are beside the point and not even under debate - I am noone to question them. Your methods and suggestions however, are since the war is anything but won, only an opening battle, to put it colorfully.

[KJo]

Wow, I can't believe we are fighting about sallu invite.

[SaiK]

my other question here is when sharif attends swearing in, will there be a coup in pakistan?

[Bade]

Apparently the military there has regressed, as they did not do a Kargil like situation even with MMS as PM. Real test will be from China, for NM.

[gakakkad]

every time a pm in sworn in, a certain kind of people get invited...This includes people from politics,sports,movies and business...i seriously doubt if modi hand picked the 3000 guys... if sallu was given a cabinet post or even a lok sabha ticket, it would certainly have been a cause for concern ...but this invite means little...

>> Right and wrong do not need analysis it just requires a level head, in a country of 1 billion plus people 3000 is a very carefully chosen group if you wish to paint it in nicer colours feel free to do so..

negi-ullah was not invited

[SaiK]

well ombaba can help progress the situation seeing india moving away to eastern block under modi.

[Karan M]

Apparently the military there has regressed, as they did not do a Kargil like situation even with MMS as PM. Real test will be from China, for NM.

Why do they need to do a Kargil like situation when
a) funds spigot from amreeka is giving them everything
b) they run the country in toto (see Saleem Syed Shahzad and also Geo recently)
c) india can be whacked around whenever thanks to MMS & co & bad state of military - soldiers beheaded, terror attacks etc

only problem for them - bad taliban in FATA/NWFP . and bad PR of osama ops, drone campaign plus occasional big slap on martial pride from bad taliban on their assets.

overall though, PA/ISI is still in control of pak.

[Bade]

Well, it is not a civilian govt there for sure, but given all the help they have received other than ISI sponsored attacks like Mumbai, they have done little. Such attacks from TSP will continue, but no way they are in a position to hold land and wage a full fledged war. That ended with Kargil.

[gakakkad]

no one from pee are af invited ? : ((

[darshhan]

I think there are a couple of people on this forum who are trying to sow doubts in the minds of Modi supporters. My advice to Modi supporters: Please disregard such comments and keep faith in the person who got your support and good wishes.

Shamlee garu,
Modi doesnt need our support anymore.
Time for political mobilization for sake of BJP is over and time to get back to an unbiased nationalistic mold devoid of all this BJP this Congi that, if you ask me.
A "Pressure group of nationalists" on Indian Govt(aka Modi) is how i see our role now.
Donning the role of a blind/notblind Modi bhakt is not needed as the election is done and dusted with.

Fair enough. But just a word of caution. Do not start resembling Rajdeep/Burkha/karan thapar while criticizing Namo.

[Karan M]

Well, it is not a civilian govt there for sure, but given all the help they have received other than ISI sponsored attacks like Mumbai, they have done little. Such attacks from TSP will continue, but no way they are in a position to hold land and wage a full fledged war. That ended with Kargil.

the methods are different now, tailored upon the situation. weak and pro Pak elements in govt in delhi meant:
1. forces in india unable to punish pakistan - army in particular with lack of arty
2. subconventional warfare out of question with RAW tied up
3. constant attacks on indian soft targets - 2008 plus constant bomb attacks, extended to even the military itself with beheadings
4. meanwhile siachen to be demilitarized unilaterally & kashmir thrown open under open visa regime

if you consider points 1 t0 4, and 4 means effectively handing over territorial control in a roundabout way, whats not for pakistan to like?

they were managing more with less.

and with nukes, they also ensure we are deterred from waging conventional war with forces that are slow and low on firepower - again a conscious decision by UPA govt.

now its gone, we can talk freely and its a known fact that this was a deliberate effort by UPA to limit IA independence and response. current governor of WB was heavily against Cold Start as NSA and the admin did what they could to create a situation where indian military was weak and confined to limited response. typical UPA methods of creating a situation where everyone was dependent on it and not powerful enough to "pose a threat".

[SaiK]

gakakkad, how do you know?

[SwamyG]

Courtesy: wikipedia

[SwamyG]

gakakkad, how do you know?

Exactly. For all we know Modi might be a BRF lurker. In that case a BRFite became a PM

[darshhan]

What some of us critics hope is that Modi has a greater purpose in inviting NS.

Trust me even Namo is hoping for the same. What he has started to implement is a step by step methodical approach to resolving Pakistan issue. Even Chanakya laid down Sam Dam Dand Bhed approach. Just check what sam means.

The second reason for inviting NS could be to buy time before he preps Indian defence forces for the D-day.

The third reason could be to lull the enemy into complacency.

[amdavadi]

gakakkad, how do you know?

Exactly. For all we know Modi might be a BRF lurker. In that case a BRFite became a PM

[Anantha]

NM Should not meet
Rajapaksha-- Jaya
Hasina-- Mamta
Nawaz-- Shiv Sena
Obama-- H&D guys
Abe-- Chinese
Nepal-- Chinese
Cameroon-- Colonial Hangover guys
Netanyahu-- Muslims and sickulars
Karzai-- Pakistanis
Bhutan--- Green piece
Chinese-- Obama
etc etc
Modi should play solitaire at 7 RCR from now on

[SwamyG]

Exactly. For all we know Modi might be a BRF lurker. In that case a BRFite became a PM

Don't you dare mock me. Of all the people here YOU know it is the truth. The Chakravarti is reading, listening and acting.

[SRoy]

One truth that has got buried in euphoria and din of election victory is, that the favorable poll numbers have come not only from the groups that have voted solely for NaMo and not for BJP necessarily irrespective of the candidate, but also the group that have voted for BJP and not necessarily for NaMo irrespective of the candidate.

The later group is the one that kept BJP afloat in 2009.

About the former there is no way to predict as what will their reactions if the economic recovery is less than spectacular or some of them (say the upper middle class white collared) are not apparent beneficiaries of the recovery.

The former group also comes with little or more baggage of pseudo-secularism (intensity depends). This group as a pressure point is dangerous. They will be (and are) dissuading any hardline position on nationalistic issues.

The later group will get disillusioned with softening on nationalistic issues.

The friendly fire among BRFites on this thread post May 16 is a microcosm of what that is going get played out there outside BRF.

[amdavadi]

Don't you dare mock me. Of all the people here YOU know it is the truth. The Chakravarti is reading, listening and acting.

[/quote]



Right on, Right on.... .. Not the motabhai, but junior for sure

[Muppalla]

who is NaMo because he cannot lurk the gufa forum. Is it gakakkad or amdavadi

[SRoy]

What some of us critics hope is that Modi has a greater purpose in inviting NS.

Trust me even Namo is hoping for the same. What he has started to implement is a step by step methodical approach to resolving Pakistan issue. Even Chanakya laid down Sam Dam Dand Bhed approach. Just check what sam means.

The second reason for inviting NS could be to buy time before he preps Indian defence forces for the D-day.

The third reason could be to lull the enemy into complacency.

Darshanji,

As much as we would like to hope the above, the ground realities are bitter.

The "Pakistan issue" (Freudian lip I guess when you meant Kashmir issue) solution window has passed. Now what you have is a bunch of nuclear armed madmen backed by Western/Chinese arms and Saudi wealth who's raison d'etre for existence itself is destruction of India. This stance comes very cheap to Pakistan. So they will continue with it. 1971 will not happen again, since neither Baloch's and Pathans simply have the numbers like the Bengalis had in 1971 nor there is the disadvantage of non-contiguous geography.

Dam was partition in 1974. Bhed was bifurcation 1971. Sam is Shimla, Tashkent, Lahore, GUBO by Gujral, Sharm-El-Shaik and countless pappi jhappis going on ever since.

We have yet to see Dand. And if at all we come out of collective dhoti shivering and decide for Dand, then all these niceties of invitation can be dispensed with.

So lets cut obfuscation and accept the fact NaMo (or his advisers) is hoping that badmash behaves and refrains from derailing economic recovery.

Also, there is no meaning is saying preparation for military. What does it mean? Conventional capabilities in this case mean nothing when the adversary has already declared intention of nuking you.
Covert ops? No need for photo ops with badmash for that.
NMD against nukes? Not sure.

So, I think there will be sound defensive measures, but no external adventures with respect to Pakis as many of would like to be undertaken.

[amdavadi]

Muppalla ji...

Hamare bas ke baat kaha.....I am just a well wisher

[amdavadi]

who is NaMo because he cannot lurk the gufa forum. Is it gakakkad or amdavadi

Yes sir, He very well can...If he wants to lurk hidden form......

[SwamyG]

Right on, Right on.... .. Not the motabhai, but junior for sure

oooyiiii maaa....this is turning out to be like the safed dadi kaali dadi types. Now I don't know all the nick names from Modi, Ajit ityadi. I am mamooli IT coolie on the internet. Somebody in the Modi team, quite influential in the core circle, has access to GDF. My gut feeling is more than 400% on that. If Modi is the inner circle, the people reading BRF are probably in the third concentric circle.

[Vikas]

NM Should not meet
Rajapaksha-- Jaya
Hasina-- Mamta
Nawaz-- Shiv Sena
Obama-- H&D guys
Abe-- Chinese
Nepal-- Chinese
Cameroon-- Colonial Hangover guys
Netanyahu-- Muslims and sickulars
Karzai-- Pakistanis
Bhutan--- Green piece
Chinese-- Obama
etc etc
Modi should play solitaire at 7 RCR from now on

Maar dala Anantha ji