Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 May 2014 00:11

Anantha wrote:Modi should play solitaire at 7 RCR from now on

unfair! he did not invite kujliwal who is playing solitaire at TJ.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 May 2014 00:14

SaiK wrote:
Anantha wrote:Modi should play solitaire at 7 RCR from now on
unfair! he did not invite kujliwal who is playing solitaire at TJ.

Crazywal is probably schizo, he can never play solitaire. Only 'bridge' or 'rummy'. But then Crazywal will jump on the pile of cards in the middle and fling them away throwing tantrums.

Anantha, that was too good.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 25 May 2014 00:14

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SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 May 2014 00:21

will he get a bridge partner in jail? he failed to get partners outside the jail. he has never shown his hand, and bidding 7NT, when his hands is a low 2 hearts in 1 club.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 25 May 2014 01:25

Thanks to the ITBP commandos and the Afghan forces, had it not been for them NaMo would be staring at a hostage/kandahar situation on day 1

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 May 2014 01:28

which flt #? this time it would be mithais to dilli and not to khandahar.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 25 May 2014 01:34

KaranM wrote:The need of the hour and many thereafter is to remain united, not replay NDA from the previous times.

Great post, as usual, KaranM.

It needs to be read by most who are questioning Modi even before the match has started.

Picklu · Post by **Picklu** » 25 May 2014 01:45

Few Shankersinh Vaghela s in the forum as well, waiting for the first mis-step hidding behind pappi jhappi.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 25 May 2014 01:48

came back after a 1 1/2 hours of nap on Sat afternoon and there is a laugh riot on that one post. Thanks guys, just understand the pressure that is on the safed Dadi guy

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 25 May 2014 02:04

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?290782
Now Advani Grandpa's friend Sudeendra Joker writes open letter. Modi will need 5 years to read all the open letters by the gas bags who opposed him before.
Looks more and more like people of India are more smarter than these clowns

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 May 2014 02:16

Virupaksha wrote:
sunilUpa wrote:give him some time guys..too much dhoti shivering will make the mojo fall off...
Why should we give him time? Did he give himself some time, before doing this rubbish nonsense?

When is pressure on others useful?
It's useful when we think the other person either doesn't have sufficient appreciation of an objective or the drive to realize it!

When is pressure on others counterproductive?
It's counterproductive when the person does have sufficient appreciation of the objective and the drive to realize it, but the additional pressure either breaks the person or takes away all flexibility that the person needs in order to deliver on the objectives. On the contrary one should fully support such a person, as he would then be psychologically strengthened as well as the obstructive people in his way make way for him knowing he comes with momentum accruing due to his political capital.

NaMo uses following tools:

his persona
marketing
business sense
development record
art of politics
soon unprecedented state power

If one can turn around the moribund BJP party in UP and win 73/80, then one should know that NaMo is supreme when it comes to the art of politics. The more political capital and support NaMo has, the more he can deliver.

We should give him some space so that he can better deliver.

NaMo is using the ceremony to get the measure of the political leaders in our neighborhood. He is collecting data!

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 25 May 2014 02:18

BTW, PVNRs policy with Pakistan was talk, talk , hit, hit - for that he had CIT-J and CIT-X. Expect a lot of on paper, in public chai-samosa parties, and hit, hit in the background. Our schadenfreude, our time to watch TSP sink further into its morass, assisted by India will come once the scale of hit, hit becomes obvious. Also, clearly, Modi will focus on getting the forces what they need for dissuasive deterrence and also overt punishment. That is how he will play this game.

Our members on this forum, in that era would have labeled it "rubbish nonsense" or asked folks to run some sort of quasi opposition assuming PVNR was naive. In hindsight, with even limited data, one begins to appreciate the scale of opposition to PVNR and despite his own party, international pressure, the steps he took to revitalize the Indian economy, secure the deterrent, keep Pak in place - and even the RJB issue had critical acts undertaken by him.

So, wait and watch how Modi plays the game as he too comes in at a significant time and needs all our support, not just carping.

Instead of complaining even before he assumes office based on imagined slights & perceived missteps.

While he does all this, our job - as nationalists - is not done either. Expect the attacks on Modi to get even more savage. Because now his entire impact on polity and the subcontinent will become clearer. All those who were concerned about their power edifice crumbling will redouble their attacks.

In that period, there will be missteps, losses on our side as well, but we have to stay the course. This first five year term of Modi is going to be deeply taxing.

And in that vein, focus, look beyond the obvious & have some faith in the man you trusted to get things done. He is experienced, and has grit. That counts and so does the intent. We evaluated him for several years now & have reposed faith in him via our electoral choice.

We have to keep our focus going with an eye towards 2019 as well. At the very minimum, team Modi & BJP need three terms to change the state of rot the country is in.

Please remember this is a long fight. Only the first few steps have been taken.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 May 2014 02:44

which first step? is swearing in a step? or a curtain raiser?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 25 May 2014 02:45

getting him into power.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 May 2014 02:48

let us wait post dinner,and check out what happened to those invitees when they leave.
after that, the day 1 is what he gets to step. then we would have a clearer picture who are with directly under him to do empowering the largest democracy.

btw, we should not be annoyed by some one asking questions like negi or virupaksha. they have equal rights to question. of course, not take an abusive route to curse "rubbish nonsense" words.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 May 2014 04:18

When does PM-elect start getting security updates etc.? Please take that into consideration when explaining NaMo's invite to SAARC heads. Also, just like he wanted to hear directly from the secretaries of all the Govt. departments, he might also want to hear from the heads of govts. directly rather than depend on the outgoing darbar loyalists about what might have transpired during mostly closed door back channel negotiations. If I were him, I would also be extremely skeptical to depend on the word of the likes of Aiyer, Ramesh, etc. They have proven to be not dependable at least as far as Pakistan is concerned. Same holds true for Abdullah father and son duo. Better to get first hand information directly from the horse's mouth (even if RAPE's negotiating points are delivered through their messenger boy).

He is going from inside out - geographically closer countries first.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 25 May 2014 04:54

VHP compares Modi to Prithviraj Chauhan: He will restore Hindutva rule

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 25 May 2014 05:26

SwamyG wrote:
amdavadi wrote:Right on, Right on.... .. Not the motabhai, but junior for sure
oooyiiii maaa....this is turning out to be like the safed dadi kaali dadi types. Now I don't know all the nick names from Modi, Ajit ityadi. I am mamooli IT coolie on the internet. Somebody in the Modi team, quite influential in the core circle, has access to GDF. My gut feeling is more than 400% on that. If Modi is the inner circle, the people reading BRF are probably in the third concentric circle.

I take fifth..

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 25 May 2014 06:05

The invitation to Sharief looks more like a summons than an invitation.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 25 May 2014 07:06

CIT-J and X will be reactivated and will give Modi the space he needs to dictate terms to the Pakistanis during "negotiations". We have to soften the state from within. Secessionist movements in Sindh and Baloshistan need to be encouraged. We need to cut them off from the sea and keep the Iranians out. It will be a huge strategic prize for us especially if we can work with the Afghans. We will have to manage our relations well with the Saudis.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 May 2014 07:16

Looking forward to work closely with Modi: Russian President Vladimir Putin

There'll be plenty to discuss too, IMO.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 25 May 2014 07:27

hanumadu wrote:The invitation to Sharief looks more like a summons than an invitation.

Absolutely. Modi had a clear vision for and confidence in India's trajectory under his leadership well before the elections and was able to articulate it believably and effectively to all Indians. The decisive and massive democratic mandate that followed has given his government more legitimacy than any other in the world today and the feeling I get is he's letting everyone know that there's no stopping India now and if you want to ride along, here's what you need to do. Without a doubt, he will read Nawaz Sharif the riot act and have him take a sobering message back to the paki generals. Ditto to Rajapaksha and the BDs.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 25 May 2014 07:38

BTW, on my way to CP. I saw safed dadi going some place. Felt like teling him to save Bengal. But stopped short realising the threat perception.

member_28468 · Post by **member_28468** » 25 May 2014 07:41

I am little concerned that Malika Sherawat is not invited. according to URT, there is something going on between MS and Modi. (oneway)

I love BRFites..once bee have accomplished all the hardwork, we go back to discussing/arguing LCA tyre colour and perfarmins

+101 she will be heart broken

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 May 2014 07:57

Shamlee wrote:I think inviting Salman Khan was Modi's way of snubbing Shah Rukh Khan and Amir Khan.

Too much should not be read into guest list.

Salman Khan, Rajnikanth et al are Modi's personal friends, he is just inviting his friends. He owes Amitabh gratitude for doing free publicity for Gujarat tourism.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 May 2014 08:29

having friends with people is fine.. but we will see.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 25 May 2014 08:42

Johneeg, I was going by general descriptions of how the Borgias behaved during their papal years. I first learned that such things were at least rumored to have happened during the reign of these characters, when I read the Count of Monte Cristo. The treasure that Edmond Dantes found was one which had been cleverly concealed from the Borgias and their successors for generations - it originally belonged to the Spadas.

The Count of Monte Cristo is fiction, of course. But I've also read of the deadly dinners hosted by Lucrezia Borgia, where she simply poisoned detractors and took over their estates. I haven't been able to get accounts of any specific incidents, just general commentary that she did indeed issue invites to such dinners. Then there are the people who say that Lucrezia was unfairly portrayed. But the Borgia family in general is remembered for poisoning, especially by the "cantarella," a form of arsenic.

Here's a link which talks of papal poisoning - not specifically about dinner invites, though. You've probably come across these poisoning stories about the Borgias yourself.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 25 May 2014 09:20

Finally some sensible statement coming from BJP. Unfortunately this is not getting media attention. I think BJP media cell is dozing off and not pushing the media to emphasize this.

Don’t see Modi’s invite to Sharif through prism of bilateral issues: Jaitley

Describing Modi’s swearing-in ceremony as a ‘democracy event’, Jaitley said nothing should be made much of the invitation sent to Sharif.

“Thereafter the new government shall get down to work. The invitation to all leaders of SAARC nations to be present at the ceremony is to showcase Indian democracy and its strength to the world at large,” he further said.
“It is a democracy event. It should not be viewed through the prism of bilateral issues between countries,” Jaitley wrote.
“While celebrating the success of India’s democracy the fact that our neighbours through its leaders will be represented reaffirms India’s faith in both democracy and greater integration of the region,” he further said.

The other morons like Jawdekar and Sitharaman are helping media to spin this by giving pakistan specific statements. My guess is BJP tried to milk this and now since NS visit has completely overshadowed Modi's ceremony some of them are coming back to sense.

I blame BJP spokespersons for turning this into indo-pak talk circus. SHQ and my relatives have completely forgotten this is Modi's day. They are only talking about NS visit, why, what was the need etc etc and I am getting tired of explaining to them. Bl@@dy idiots of BJP.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 25 May 2014 09:27

http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2014 ... 4A.twitter

Rule India like Cakkavatti Dharmasoka – Mahabodhi Society of Sri Lanka Appeals to Narendra Modi

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they understood all right.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 May 2014 09:36

Theravada buddhism went frm magadha Ashoka to Lanka and then to all points of far east from Lanka.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 May 2014 09:40

Please watch Ram Subramanian all the way.
I dont want to spoil the fun explaining the mesage..
All of Modi"s Men

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 25 May 2014 10:14

Karan M wrote:BTW, PVNRs policy with Pakistan was talk, talk , hit, hit - for that he had CIT-J and CIT-X. Expect a lot of on paper, in public chai-samosa parties, and hit, hit in the background. Our schadenfreude, our time to watch TSP sink further into its morass, assisted by India will come once the scale of hit, hit becomes obvious. Also, clearly, Modi will focus on getting the forces what they need for dissuasive deterrence and also overt punishment. That is how he will play this game.
......

Yep we should keep talking to Pakistan. In fact I would say we have achieved Success when it is Pakistan which quits talking to us quoting the violence executed by India. Let us work towards this objective.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 25 May 2014 10:36

Darshhan, exactly. We should then have an air of innocence personified. Also each time Pak attacks us on LOC, 10x response from us using arty and firepower. An attack in India? ISI folks should be struggling to survive in TSP itself. There are a lakh of groups in pak who loath the PA/ISI combine, time to use them. Making the Pak apparatus bewildered and helpless even as we avoid making any one group too powerful. Of course, talks may go on about the future of sooth asia and its role in xyz . TSP used some of these methods with us. High time we returned the favor 10× and let them reap what they sowed.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 May 2014 10:53

SwamyG wrote:
gakakkad wrote: forget giving PoK,cashmere,bangalore,etc ..is he even going to have a mano e mano chai biskoot with badmash ? most likely badmash will go back with sore pindi chana in front of the entire saarc..
As per the media reports, there might be some chai biskoot session. Scanning a SL newspaper, they seam to be already shivering with the talk of Modi/India snatching away SL territories

To me it looks like Duryodhana has been just invited to Indraprastha. Granted, Duryodhana has his own skills, powers and agenda; the 'Palace of Illusions' still might throw some surprises. Will some Draupadi laugh? Only time can tell.

According to what I know about the story, Draupadi was not the actual person who laughed, it was one of the servants, and Draupadi was attempting to shut her up. In Duryodhana's mind, it turned into Draupadi laughing at him, and the rest is history.

The point of the story is that, for a Duryodhana-like paki mind, any excuse is good enough to start on a path of perfidy and enmity; the events in Mahabharata are driven by the core nature of the characters and not the other way around. There is no question of an alternative scenario of, what would have happened if there was no "laughing Draupadi" event.

I hope Modi is a good student of the epics.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 25 May 2014 11:09

Modi averts invite mess
By K.P. NAYAR

The new government’s first foreign policy initiative in inviting South Asian heads of state and government to New Delhi nearly became a monumental disaster till Prime Minister-designate Narendra Modi took it into his own hands and salvaged it with the benefit of his vast experience as a hands-on chief minister.

Before leaders of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (Saarc) and Mauritius received invitations to Modi’s swearing-in and accepted them, aspirants jockeying for the national security adviser’s job in the new government had freelanced on the initiative in order to prove their credentials and almost got egg on the incoming Prime Minister’s face.

Fortunately, Modi realised in the nick of time the need to take matters into his own hands and also to seek advice from President Pranab Mukherjee with his reservoir of resources on diplomacy.

The comedy of errors in the manner of inviting leaders from the neighbourhood — a saga which luckily evolved into that of another Shakespearean play, All’s Well That Ends Well — rolled out soon after the Lok Sabha election results when a frontrunner to succeed Shivshankar Menon began contacting Saarc ambassadors and high commissioners in New Delhi proposing that their top political bosses back home should attend Modi’s swearing-in.

Ostensibly, this man’s contacts with the ambassadors and high commissioners came with the concurrence of the incoming Prime Minister. But in the light of detailed revelations to this writer about the sequence of events subsequently, it is doubtful whether Modi was adequately briefed at that stage about the pros and cons, the pitfalls and advantages, of this initiative before the aspirant for the top security affairs job was allowed to engage in his activities.

The puzzled Saarc envoys, almost all of them veterans in their profession with long and varied experience of handling such invitations, refused to act, however, because they did not know the locus standi of this frontrunner other than reports in the media about his status, some of them planted suitably with favourable frills.

The envoys began consulting each other and collectively decided that they would not even send any telegrams about the initiative unless they received word about any invitation through channels that were correct in terms of protocol.

Meanwhile, other aspirants for the national security adviser’s job joined in the unseemly scramble to prove that they all had Modi’s ear and were inviting South Asian leaders on his behalf. Each aspirant tried to pull down the other in this process of proving that they alone were acting on behalf of the BJP. (This is one disgusting habit of Indians that i hate -- pulling down one another in front of foreigners to get on up on others)

One Saarc envoy who naturally wants to remain anonymous -– because no one is keen to get on the wrong side of the new government even before it has assumed office -– told this writer that the Sri Lankan high commissioner was “shocked out of his wits” when the freelancer said President Mahinda Rajapaksa would be welcome here on Monday.

But according to accounts given to this writer, the high commissioner listened in silence to the freelancer and later consulted several retired diplomats, including some with BJP links but who were not hankering after jobs in the new government.

Had enough thought gone into the idea of these invitations? The high commissioner wanted to know because there would be a fallout for Rajapaksa from the visit, not just for Modi.

This high commissioner’s doubts were vindicated yesterday when the chief minister of Sri Lanka’s northern province and the island’s leading Tamil voice, C.V. Wigneswaran, publicly snubbed Rajapaksa and refused to join the President in his trip to New Delhi. The high commissioner alluded in conversations with his peers to the fallout in Tamil Nadu but made it clear that it was none of his business.

Days later, and well before the initiative became public, it was going nowhere. Since the aspirants for the national security adviser’s job all wanted to individually take credit for a diplomatic coup, they did not see any need to liaise with the ministry of external affairs, the proper channel for dealing with the invitations.

Modi then sensed a disaster in the making both in terms of public relations and by way of domestic political as well as diplomatic fallout. He was not going to begin his prime ministership on a wrong foot. He initiated a process of getting feedback on this issue from people who had no stake in it except the wish that the initiative should succeed.

After such consultations, directly and through trusted aides, the Prime Minister-designate discussed the invitations to neighbourhood leaders with the President. Pranab Mukherjee stressed the imperative of giving the lead role for the initiative to the ministry of external affairs and putting no chains on South Block’s professionalism.

Although no one would formally confirm this, it is reliably understood that the first, if informal, outreach on this to South Block was made by the President’s aides.

During consultations that took place after the freelance efforts in the initiative fell flat, opinion seems to have emerged that a better option would have been to send a special envoy to Islamabad --– preferably a BJP leader at the level of Ravi Shankar Prasad or Rajiv Pratap Rudy -– to discuss the invitation with top aides to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, such as his foreign policy adviser Sartaj Aziz and his confidant Tariq Fatemi.

A special envoy could have firmed up the process and avoided the unseemly spectacle on domestic television for two days of anti-Pakistan rhetoric that has already vitiated the atmosphere for Sharif’s visit. A special envoy could also have assured Islamabad on behalf of Modi that the new Prime Minister meant serious business and was not looking for a public relations gimmick for himself.

The ministry of external affairs is in no position to give such assurances at this stage, but a special envoy from the BJP who is potentially a minister in the incoming government could easily do so on behalf of Modi.

It is now clear that Sharif was looking for such assurances that would also have strengthened his bargaining chips with the army general headquarters in Rawalpindi in arguing that he should accept Modi’s invitation.

It also emerged during belated consultations that the BJP should have engaged in back-channel contacts with the Tamil National Alliance and its leader, chief minister Wigneswaran, before inviting the Sri Lankan President and tried to bring the TNA on board.

By not doing so, the incoming Prime Minister has allowed non-BJP parties in Tamil Nadu to seize the initiative on the one hand and left Wigneswaran with no option but to reject Rajapaksa’s request to join him on the India trip that was made in a letter from Sri Lanka’s foreign minister, G.L. Peiris.

The Telegraph, Calcutta

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 May 2014 11:28

abhishek_sharma wrote:VHP compares Modi to Prithviraj Chauhan: He will restore Hindutva rule

Typical moronic headline writing. Singhal said that Hindutva has the reins for the first time after Prithvi Raj Chauhan. In the worthless head of the editor, that becomes, "VHP says Modi is Prithvi Raj Chauhan onlee."

How did we end up with such useless rubbish fellows in the media?

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 25 May 2014 11:33

Karan M wrote:Darshhan, exactly. We should then have an air of innocence personified. Also each time Pak attacks us on LOC, 10x response from us using arty and firepower. An attack in India? ISI folks should be struggling to survive in TSP itself. There are a lakh of groups in pak who loath the PA/ISI combine, time to use them. Making the Pak apparatus bewildered and helpless even as we avoid making any one group too powerful. Of course, talks may go on about the future of sooth asia and its role in xyz . TSP used some of these methods with us. High time we returned the favor 10× and let them reap what they sowed.

Karan Mji, One word of advice to those who will inflict violence on our behalf. The old approaches such as CIT-J and CIT-X will not cut it anymore. Today our response has to be far more surgical, selective and brutal. In short it has to be real high end. The quality of targeting will also be very important. I would suggest two sets of targets. One, Mid level and senior level Pakistani Army/ISI officers. The ideal way to go about it would be to first start killing the mid level officers before assasinating the senior officers. There is areason behind this thinking. This campaign should be intense accounting for Critical Nodes in Paki Army/ISI Hierarchy. Here the important thing to keep in mind wrt such campaigns is " Repetition is more important than scale ". The objective of such a campaign should be embedding of permanent fear into hearts of ISI/Paki Army officials and to decrease their Average life span besides degrading the operational efficiency of their defence agencies. Their heartbeats should increase even for tasks as mundane as going out to buy groceries.

Second set of Targets will deal with neutralisation of Critical Paki Infrastructure (Roads, Railways, Electricity, Defence establishments and Factories, Internet etc). The objective here should be to induce cascading style failures. This will further damage their economy. Again the focus here should be on critical nodes.

Anything else would be a bonus. Which can probably be carried out anyway by Taliban/LEJ/whatever.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 25 May 2014 11:33

^^Congis put them there. Are you surprised at their intelligence (or lack of it)?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 May 2014 12:02

Classical plan of mafia. NTR was put up by babus put in place by mafia in 1982 and became deeply unpopular in almost no time. Mafia supporting babus must be doing the same now to NM.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 25 May 2014 12:17

During consultations that took place after the freelance efforts in the initiative fell flat, opinion seems to have emerged that a better option would have been to send a special envoy to Islamabad --– preferably a BJP leader at the level of Ravi Shankar Prasad or Rajiv Pratap Rudy -– to discuss the invitation with top aides to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, such as his foreign policy adviser Sartaj Aziz and his confidant Tariq Fatemi.

A special envoy could have firmed up the process and avoided the unseemly spectacle on domestic television for two days of anti-Pakistan rhetoric that has already vitiated the atmosphere for Sharif’s visit. A special envoy could also have assured Islamabad on behalf of Modi that the new Prime Minister meant serious business and was not looking for a public relations gimmick for himself.

Jassu Mithaiwala 2.0??? Imagine a BJP envoy to Bakiland from Modi! That alone would be enough to squander all credibility of Modi in one stroke.

It seems to me that the so-called experts or professionals are worse than media. Atleast, the media has the excuse of TRPs. These people don't even have that excuse.

I don't believe this nonsense that some people initiated this idea of inviting the entire SAARC leadership without consulting Modi.(especially the Bakis after the campaign run by Modi against the Bakis). Only Modi could have initiated such a thing.