Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Kakkaji wrote:
RoyG wrote:He's second in command. The guy who ensures that everyone is doing their job and is entrusted with "off the record" assignments. He's probably got the toughest job of all.
Without taking the ministerial oath of secrecy, how can he be made privy to Govt. business?

Please don't quote MMS/ SG arrangement in this regard. NaMo is not likely to violate the constitution knowingly like MMS did.
So... everyone in the minister's office also takes the oath?

The swearing in is simply a statement of 'accountability' by the minister. He can delegate the power to anyone within the rules.
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Amit Shah will continue to protect Modi and ensure that all his subjects are doing what he commands. He will also do the dirty assignments behind the scenes in which Modi can't afford to be seen doing. Jack of all trades kind of guy.
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Amit Shah will the NaMo's chief of staff. Will always be the backroom boy to fight the elections.
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Enough gurus - Time has come to close this thread as we have degenerated into discussing Burkha and a unlucky panwala. Dynasty lost power and its ideas no longer count. Admin - please close this thread.

I am opening a new tread as Modi Sarkar - Policies and implementation.
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SwamyG wrote:He is the dude who thought Barkha was Priyanka :-)
Exactly my point. He saw Burkha all the time on TV and poor guy thought this loud mouth is PV. He doesn't care about Burkha, the chemcha. He knows who holds the leash.
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So we do not want 1000 pages?
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Thread can be kept in suspended animation until dynasty and all that it represents is wiped out.
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Inside info that Badmaash's entourage brought Zandu Baam with them, and they were not surprised after Badmaash asked for maalish of his hand, arm and shoulders other than his usual spots. :mrgreen:
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analysis: fingers slightly spread and kept lose is a sign of seeking for help!
fingers joint, straight is looking for providing all possible solution
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Per Deccan Chronicle Vasundhara Scindia isathe next PM ummidwar within BJP. SHE is known as female NAMO in the party.
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anishns wrote:Image
Modi should be asked never to bend while meeting someone -- this is a common Indian tradition to slightly bend to show respect, but this looks very bad in pictures and conveys inferiority. Putin, Obama, Chinese leaders -- no one bends even a little while shaking hands. They stand straight.

The art of bending before foreign leaders was taken by MMS to extreme levels.

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How about the traditional Namaste with hands together?
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>> Putin, Obama, Chinese leaders -- no one bends even a little while shaking hands. They stand straight.

Obama too? A few years ago, he bowed before the Saudi king that led to some discussion on TV. Google it.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:>> Putin, Obama, Chinese leaders -- no one bends even a little while shaking hands. They stand straight.

Obama too? A few years ago, he bowed before the Saudi king that led to some discussion on TV. Google it.
And then before japanese emperor akihito.

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DAE under Modi. Will the Buddha smile again? :twisted:
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Actually if leaders of two friendly countries bow to each other, then it is not such a bad idea. It merely signifies that they respect each other.

Of course, Pakis are not friendly people, and therefore bowing to them is just a bad idea.
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DAE, Earth Sciences etc have been with the Prime Minister of the country since the times of Nehru. Nothing earth shattering about it unless someone like IG or Vajapayem actually made the buddha smile.
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the first cabinet meeting is today evening, first 5 decisions will set the course, one can say it is quick, generally it is about a week before a real cabinet convenes then again this is NaMo in charge and swift firm decisions time bound projects gonna be the order of the day.
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anmol wrote:Image
I think Obama is just mimicking traditional Japanese greeting style of bowing, just like he would fold his hands in Namaste for Indians. The point is if the Indian PM bends and the other doesn't reciprocate, it signifies inferiority.
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Dileep wrote:
So... everyone in the minister's office also takes the oath?

The swearing in is simply a statement of 'accountability' by the minister. He can delegate the power to anyone within the rules.
Dileep -- swearing in is a formal process. All babus swear in when they first take office. Of course since they never demit office till retirement, they dont have to take oath again.

They are bound by NSA etc.

When politicians take oath and sign -- they become government servants for the course of time in office -- they are bound by most rules and protocols which govern the naukarshahi (in theory at least)

So no, a person who had not taken an oath of office, can not see files and noting and such details, can not be given government work etc etc. When the rule has to be subverted, institutions like NAC which are semi govt have to be created. Even then they are limited in power to what they can see.

The oath taking and getting into office is a HUGELY powerful transformation.
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I was watching a movie/ documentary about Chinese martial art way of greetings, one does bend towards the opponent to show humility, but keeps the eye contact always with opponent, signalling he is also ready for any mischief.

When we bow someone out of reverence or servility we bow our head down too along with spine. PM's gesture is clearly the first case, all shudh desi way only. We are analyzing too much from western way of doing and percieving things.
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anmol wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:>> Putin, Obama, Chinese leaders -- no one bends even a little while shaking hands. They stand straight.

Obama too? A few years ago, he bowed before the Saudi king that led to some discussion on TV. Google it.
And then before japanese emperor akihito.

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Bum girane ke baad itna to banta hai.
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Bum giraane ke baad, bum uthana banta hai.
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Marten wrote:
SanjayC wrote:
Modi should be asked never to bend while meeting someone -- this is a common Indian tradition to slightly bend to show respect, but this looks very bad in pictures and conveys inferiority. Putin, Obama, Chinese leaders -- no one bends even a little while shaking hands. They stand straight.
It struck a very jarring note in an otherwise fine evening. He also shook hands with Nawaz longer and harder as a means of grandstanding.
It was unseemly to see an Indian PM bow to a Paki.
I think too much is being read into this one image. Fact is, body language is read through video more than it can be through a picture. A picture is a snapshot and depending on when it is taken, it will reveal different t hings. What you need is the storyline of all the subtleties at an "impromptu" meeting.

Moreover, body language needs to be combined with facial expressions which show real intention such as sadness, happiness, anger, disgust etc.

For instance, one thing you are all leaving out is NS. Look at his left hand, it is covering his crotch. This indicates "fear" or "hesitation" - it is a vunerable area and hence covering it is saying, "I am a bit afraid". But then again, as I said, this is only a snapshot and you need the video.

If you have the video of this handshake you can read more into it, otherwise, let it be would be my opinion.
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Saw the clipping of Modi meeting Badmash at Hyderabad house. During the shake hands photo ops, the background above Modi left shoulder was Thanjavur painting of Navneeta Krishna and one more similar photo :).

While both badmash and NaMo looked a bit nervous to me, Badmash body language was not looking great.
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I see nothing wrong in slightly bending while shaking hands. It only translate cultural humbleness towards the guest. Atithi Devo Bhava. He invitwd them to attend his oath taking ceremony and they came. As the host he must display gratitude in public. Punches can be delivered later in private.
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abhijitm wrote:I see nothing wrong in slightly bending while shaking hands. It only translate cultural humbleness towards the guest. Atithi Devo Bhava. He invitwd them to attend his oath taking ceremony and they came. As the host he must display gratitude in public. Punches can be delivered later in private.
Or he wanted to follow his own principle of "aankh milakar baat karo". :)
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Going by NaMo's body language & his facial expression for these 2 days, I am beginning to think he is more comfortable behind the curtains. He looks a bit amused & bewildered with the media circus/attention. Hopefully, it should pass as he grows accustomed to the PM's chair.

In today's meeting with Nawaz, he didn't look nervous to me, instead his facial expression & body language seemed to suggest he wasn't clearly enjoying it. But expect him to go all guns blazing in private.
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sum wrote:AoA. Expect massive khujli and outbreak of dhoti shivering in TV studios tonight:
We are in the process of repealing Article 370: MoS PMO Jitendra Singh
Minutes after taking charge, Minister of State in the Prime Minister's Office Jitendra Singh on Tuesday said that the government is in the process of repealing Article 370 that guarantees a special category status for Jammu and Kashmir. Jitendra Singh said that the NDA government is in talks with the stakeholders.

"The process of repealing Article 370 has started. We are speaking to stakeholders. The BJP has won more than half of the seats from Jammu and Kashmir, so will you interpret it as an endorsement of the BJP's stand," Singh asked.

"370 is more like a psychological barrier," he added.
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sum wrote:AoA. Expect massive khujli and outbreak of dhoti shivering in TV studios tonight:
We are in the process of repealing Article 370: MoS PMO Jitendra Singh
Minutes after taking charge, Minister of State in the Prime Minister's Office Jitendra Singh on Tuesday said that the government is in the process of repealing Article 370 that guarantees a special category status for Jammu and Kashmir. Jitendra Singh said that the NDA government is in talks with the stakeholders.

"The process of repealing Article 370 has started. We are speaking to stakeholders. The BJP has won more than half of the seats from Jammu and Kashmir, so will you interpret it as an endorsement of the BJP's stand," Singh asked.

"370 is more like a psychological barrier," he added.
Its a false news created by Presstitutes to sensationalize and to drag NaMo's new govt into dirty media space. Here is actually statement.
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^^ Saar, his own statement has been quoted in the article:
"The process of repealing Article 370 has started. We are speaking to stakeholders. The BJP has won more than half of the seats from Jammu and Kashmir, so will you interpret it as an endorsement of the BJP's stand," Singh asked.
So dont think it is twisting.
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Sirji, do you think NaMo/BJP will allow all these Press cabal to creep into South and North block. It seems at present they were allowing only PTI and ANI, and if that is the case, then how only IBN cabal has giving "..." statements, while other news groups are somewhat subdued on this issue. I think it hallmark trick of Turdesai that he employed against NaMo/BJP.
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Bliss to check the video in the link:
We are in the process of repealing Article 370: MoS PMO Jitendra Singh
Somehow only CNN-IBN has got access to him!!
He seems to say that they have started consulting people to start process of art 370 though doesnt seem to have exact words "started repealing".
But the tone seems to be of firm determination which is good news! Hope this starts off in earnest
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kmkraoind wrote:Sirji, do you think NaMo/BJP will allow all these Press cabal to creep into South and North block. It seems at present they were allowing only PTI and ANI, and if that is the case, then how only IBN cabal has giving "..." statements, while other news groups are somewhat subdued on this issue. I think it hallmark trick of Turdesai that he employed against NaMo/BJP.
Check this article:

Media and Narendra Modi’s cabinet: How he did a Steve Jobs

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/media ... 44503.html
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Sumji, I was wrong.
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It was warming to see all regional leaders queuing up to shake hands with prime minister of india :mrgreen:
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sum wrote:^^ On Teetar:
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Sharif's return to Pak delayed as Modi's tough talk on terror rattles Pak delegation, plans spin-presser
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^^Now that the formal first talk on terror is out of the way, lets see if Modi goes further than his predecessors.
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Sanku wrote: So no, a person who had not taken an oath of office, can not see files and noting and such details, can not be given government work etc etc. When the rule has to be subverted, institutions like NAC which are semi govt have to be created. Even then they are limited in power to what they can see.
Ever heard of "personal staff" of ministers? They also become government employees upon appointment.

There was a big controversy recently in the "Sikular State of Kerala" that everyone with a cabinet position, including the "cheap whiff" who has absolutely nothing to do, have hired 30 chamchas as personal staff.
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As soon as NaMo showed him the way, I see Sharif cleverly taking his right one out for hand shake.
This was to force NaMo use his right i.e. the inner hand from the POV of cameras. Thus preventing NaMo from keeping a big brother pat hand at Sharif's back or shoulder during the hand shake. This is followed by NaMo maintaining a distance from Sharif which means a duce.
Then our PM scores at the hand shake itself. His thumb's position, his grip are all strong & positive.
Sharif's hand was very close to his own body, while NaMo's looks reaching out.

Lets see what all this transpires into ...

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