Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 May 2014 16:21

Dileep wrote:
Sanku wrote: So no, a person who had not taken an oath of office, can not see files and noting and such details, can not be given government work etc etc. When the rule has to be subverted, institutions like NAC which are semi govt have to be created. Even then they are limited in power to what they can see.
Ever heard of "personal staff" of ministers? They also become government employees upon appointment.

There was a big controversy recently in the "Sikular State of Kerala" that everyone with a cabinet position, including the "cheap whiff" who has absolutely nothing to do, have hired 30 chamchas as personal staff.

Yes they do. The personal staff also take a oath btw.

My understanding is that in the central govt, there are strict guidelines for how many you can hire and which level.

Most are at Personal secy level. Two are allowed I think. They are typically domain specialists.

For Amit Shah etc, these would be seen as a step down btw. Also binds tightly.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 May 2014 18:15

Talks to with Paki land starting again???? Nawaz is talking all over media and claiming FSs of each nation will meet. Sujatha Rao also briefing Press something rubbish to that effect. TIME TO KICK HER OUT.

IS NM GOING ATAL WAY??? I seriously fear of betrail by BJP leaders like Atal stupid Bus journey to Lahore is going to happen once again with NM.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 27 May 2014 18:17

I didn't like this SAARC idea a bit from the beginning just because of this. I hope NaMo has not fallen into the familiar 'peece' trap.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 May 2014 18:23

^^Yes. I'm worried about this supposed resumption of secy level talks. Doesn't smell right.

Also, sad to see that NM the great 'communicator' has gone incommunicado. Would have been nice if he undertakes to talk to the nation directly (via DD or goog hangout or his blog) weekly or monthly or something...

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 27 May 2014 18:28

sum wrote:X-post:

Minhaz Merchant ‏@minhazmerchant 14m

Sharif's return to Pak delayed as Modi's tough talk on terror rattles Pak delegation, plans spin-presser

OK, if MM is correct it is along expected lines. The first warning.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 27 May 2014 18:43

Firstpost ‏@firstpostin
New MOS PMO says process/discussions to revoke Art 370 have started. Wow, that was a quick beginning. Not sure who is talking: Omar Abdullah

Firstpost ‏@firstpostin
Mark my words. Long after Modi Govt is distant memory either J&K won't be part of India or Art 370 will still exist: Omar Abdullah

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 May 2014 18:59

GAURAV C SAWANT ‏@gauravcsawant 1h

Sartaj Aziz, Pak NSA tells @javedmansari they hope two Fgn Secys 'can meet' before month end to discuss ways of taking dialogue further

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 27 May 2014 19:01

There will be terrible loss of credibility if Modi goes back on his stand on dialogue with Pak immediately after taking oath. Da faq!

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 May 2014 19:10

If they discuss "ways of taking dialogue further" and just that and it results in "some" movement on terror front to be followed by "some issue specific" talks that should be acceptable.

The composite dialogue should not be restarted without "substantial progress" on terror but given that it falls within the domain of the Army/Intel I don't think it will start.

IMHO NaMo's move is aimed at sizing the high ground in preparation of kicking the napaki nuts.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 27 May 2014 19:11

Modi will face loss of credibility on article 370 and illegal immigrant issues also.

Repeal of 370 can only enforced via military strength at present.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 May 2014 19:15

Few people noticed that Mr Lobsang Sangay had been invited and attended Modi's swearing in ceremony! This is a very significant event and Tibetans round the world are extremely pleased.

http://tibet.net/2014/05/27/sikyong-att ... ndra-modi/

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 27 May 2014 19:20

Respected Dr. Subramanian Swamy isn't bothered at all with not being in the cabinet, he is supporting NaMo cabinet selection fully, and hitting out TOIlet newspaper here:
https://www.facebook.com/drsubramanians ... =1&theater

Journalism hits new low!!.
Spiteful News traders are trying to rake up Casteism.
They are unnecessarily sowing the seeds of casteism in readers minds.
How to break India ?
Learn from foreign media.
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Yesterday, Modi & other cabinet ministers took oath. Ministries were assigned. But see how the Times of India newspaper is giving it a communal angle.
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Stop the forces who are breaking India, support Narendra Modi for making developed India.
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News link:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Home ... 624877.cms

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 May 2014 19:21

I thinks his credibility will mostly rest of "Aam admi issues" like jobs, bijli, pani, sadak and sauchalaya. For hindutva brigade his work in Varanasi and Ganga cleanup will do for his 1st term.

In any case he is very imaginative and has often surprised both his detractors as well as his well wishers. With Modi you never know what rabbit he will pull out of his hat. So let us watch and hope and wish him luck.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 May 2014 19:29

That ToIlet article needs a legal notice!
RM do you want to head that up?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 May 2014 19:34

Modi, as a nationalist, has a certain edge over the previous government in dealing with Pakistan. He can extend dialog with a condition of "Don't piss me off". He will extend the hand in public, and warn in private. The warning does not have to be verbal - it could be direct or indirect actions.

Modi is not a war monger or a hawk in the traditional sense. His goal is to get things done - which is improve the conditions of Indians. Not act tough with other countries. He is doing the right thing, exchanging some pleasantries and assessing the individual leaders. If Pakistan or any other country does not play good then he will express the displeasure in an appropriate way - it still might not be want war jingoes desire.

The goal is to make Pakistan stop unglifying India for next few decades. His credibility will not suffer because he does not behave like a bully.

ps: It depends on who is talking "peace". MMS talking peace is not the same thing as Modi talking peace.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 May 2014 19:39

Narayana Rao wrote:Talks to with Paki land starting again???? Nawaz is talking all over media and claiming FSs of each nation will meet. Sujatha Rao also briefing Press something rubbish to that effect. TIME TO KICK HER OUT.

IS NM GOING ATAL WAY??? I seriously fear of betrail by BJP leaders like Atal stupid Bus journey to Lahore is going to happen once again with NM.

Angana Chaterjee, Owaisis, Mani Shankar Aiyar, probably US State Dept, and a host of others are ready to start a war to bring Modi down at the slightest pretext. Modi may have decided that the domestic agenda is a priority and he cannot allow these scum to derail it by getting drawn into a war.

Of course the anti-Indian forces won't rest until they have pushed India into a corner. Real test will come after Afghan round 2 elections and massa withdrawal as pakis have warned. Modi has signaled that he will use covert ops as a response. Let us see our sachin play the game.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 May 2014 19:40

mr. gin exactly! nm is not jj!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 May 2014 19:42

otoh, modi can do hot pursuit with accountability act on the media persons and kangrez traitors

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 27 May 2014 19:51

People are watching too many Wild West movies here with all that analysis of Modis body language.
There is nothing more scary than a people who can seriously harm you being all friendly and servile. Keeps people guessing.
Indian culture is not about false bravado and we should hardly model ourselves after the west. If MMS had been a nationalist he would have been very effective due to his soft demeanor.
So quit this over analysis. Modi needs to be a statesman and not a Rambo.

All this news about 370 is too premature and early. Sometimes it is not good to how hands

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 27 May 2014 19:58

If the statements on Art 370 has Modi's endorsement it is a good move. No point dilly-dallying. I propose a separate referendum in Jammu, Ladakh, Kashmir valley to find out who wants Art 370 and who doesn't. If the valley wants it give it to them as it is only a small territory in J&K. However, the terms of autonomy needs to be renegotiated so it doesn't become an impediment to integration. Also keeps open the door for other Muslim majority regions of POK to join in future.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 27 May 2014 20:01

BTW on a personal note Namo looks quite uneasy in those tight pyjamas. He should start wearing a dhoti like his guru, Swami Vivekananda and first BJP PM of India, Shri Vajapayem.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 May 2014 20:07

Zee News ‏@ZeeNews 14m

Nawaz Sharif's daughter hopes for peace, hails Narendra Modi calling her father 'Man of peace' http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/na ... 35328.html …

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 27 May 2014 20:08

Omar Abdullah loves to make prophecies which never come true

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 May 2014 20:21

I am not a fan of Sachin who is only interested in making money. In any event NM need not waste his time on Pakiland. Discussions at FS level??? For what. What kind of Biryani is to served at the time our men getting their heads cut off???.

Islamic Takiyya seems to be working once again here. Have we forgotten Nawaz is the same a**hole who did Kargil after/during Lahore Bus trip by Atal. Why we should trust him now? NM may be a great guy. But he is not GOD. We are all not some people who will support him if he does this kind of stupid acts.

I already posted NM has a serious weakness of continuing the same senior babus of the previous regimes. In Delhi there are lot of Moles, mines and snakes under grass. I am sure NM knows about it. But there is no indication he is going kick out few people like our FS Sujatha Rao. Wholesale kicking of IFS fellows who led to the situation wherein India became a chamcha of Khan and repeatedly insulted is a must now.

In fact the whole lot of IFS fellows like Devyani need to sent home as their are not doing any job of protecting Indian interests anywhere. Just go to any Indian mission abroad and you will find how useless most of these fellows are. They do not even protest strongly when their kids kept in jail or they are strip searched. Now NM is allowing the same Sujatha Rao to continue as FS who presided over boot licking of Khan system. Have we forgotten another lady Ex FS who is now settled in US and getting fat $$ from Khan for the services rendered to him.

NM has huge issues to attend to and very little time to do that. He could not even appoint is DM on full time basis as of now.

I hope I am wrong in getting angry. But gut feeling says I am right. Seeing Nawaz entertained here by NM and SS. Disgusting. Many voters and Sangh fellows must be seriously sorry today for voting and working for months for NMs win.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 27 May 2014 20:27

Exactly. NaMo need to be very careful with advisors that were even remotely involved with two UPA regimes.
Going by news on TV badmash has hoodwinked us again.

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 May 2014 20:30

^^ Will still wait before judging since i find it hard to believe that some advisers will drastically alter NaMo's views on TSP since he has spoken quite a lot on TSP in many,many places and it sounded straight out of BRF book

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 May 2014 20:36

Failure to understand Islam resulting in the downfall of many Indic rulers and when we see NM doing the same stupid things of Atalji, should we not suspect that he is also falling into same trap ?

Nawaz is now all over Paki media saying that Kashmir is discussed. Are we being lied to by NM and his party? If Kashmir is not discussed then should we not know about it by now by tweets, facebooks etc etc which NM regularly communicates.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 May 2014 20:37

^^

Yes, no one knows anything about it other than this small set on BRF.

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 May 2014 20:39

As suspected, the mallu christians match the muslims in their hatred for BJP!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 May 2014 20:42

I think NDTV has become official Pakistan TV. Needs a twitter campaign to sensitize people in that direction.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 27 May 2014 20:48

Modi needs to buy time so that he needs to settle in and comes to terms with reins of power at centre. He needs to fix economy and defence before Pak can be taken care of. Of course, they will create trouble, but it is better to engage and show that Pak are not doing their part of their deal. NS doesn't have Pak in control which anyone with basic knowledge of Pak would know. So, Modi knows it too well.

Meanwhile, expect fireworks courtesy Pak for next couple of years atleast! This is a 5-year project and don't expect to be aggressive from the day one. That is very counter productive.

After 5 years, Pak should be ina number of pieces. That is the objective! Let the US scramble to put them together.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 May 2014 20:57

Sanku wrote:^^

Yes, no one knows anything about it other than this small set on BRF.

I am sure there are more great people outside of BRF. But when our leaders speak of Biryani during elections and in the second day of power feed the same leader of killers and entertain him in front of whole world, we have a right to feel very very very bad.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 27 May 2014 20:57

At this rate a lot of BRF is gonna become AAPtard and spew the usual BJP Congress same same onlee line. Both parties talking to Bakistan instead of nuking it ...........

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 27 May 2014 20:58

Narayana Rao, The bakra is fed well before being halleled. Pliss to be a bit patient.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 May 2014 21:10

Ashok Sarraff wrote:Narayana Rao, The bakra is fed well before being halleled. Pliss to be a bit patient.

We seriously hope end up being wrong.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 27 May 2014 21:13

Narayana Rao wrote: We seriously hope end up being wrong.

Timesnow reporting that Modi talked to NS about 26/11, terror, security, etc. If he doesn't and gives a jhappad everyone from State Dept to MSM will call him a war-mongering jingo.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 27 May 2014 21:14

Dilbu wrote:I didn't like this SAARC idea a bit from the beginning just because of this. I hope NaMo has not fallen into the familiar 'peece' trap.

You are amiss in your anti jinx duties. Time to dhoti shiver and chant NaMo will sellout to Pakis onlee

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 27 May 2014 21:16

At this rate, NM govt wont last a week on BRF........NM govt wont last 5 yrs, as BRF will be in opposition from word go.....

We have seen 10yrs of UPA tamasha...Give BJP 10months before start screaming sell outs.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 27 May 2014 21:17

Already mass-soosai from some BRFites has begun.

And it is just Day 1.

Anti Jinx: Modi Govt will gift India to Pakistan onleeee.... we will become a Paki state onleee e

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 27 May 2014 21:20

Please guys, let us not be negative. Modi needs our support, not doubts. Are we as skeptical with our family members and the decisions that they take? Would we like it if close family and friends start doubting our intentions? My brother looks after my finances but I never doubted him. Sometimes one of the investments does not work out, but do I doubt him? No way. I would trust him with my life. The same goes for Modi.