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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby rkhanna » 17 May 2014 15:47

Do you believe there could be better places to carry sidearms?


There is enough written on the tactical reasons to having a thigh holsters specially in a fast paced urban CQB environment.

1\ In case of stoppages or his primary weapon running out of ammo the operator now has to reach over his Primary weapon + webbing and gear then draw and fire.

2\ Drawing from the thigh is faster than the hip or the shoulder.

3\ ALso its alot easier transitioning from Primary to secondary and back if the tactical situation requires it. The operator is going to lose his situational awareness every-time he moves to his shoulder holster as his eyes will go down to his rig.

No matter how much he has trained with that holster all the running and climbing is going to move it around. The Sling of the AR can obstruct it, etc

4\ Going to cost him time as well if he is lying belly up.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby shiv » 17 May 2014 20:16

rkhanna wrote:
Do you believe there could be better places to carry sidearms?


There is enough written on the tactical reasons to having a thigh holsters specially in a fast paced urban CQB environment.

1\ In case of stoppages or his primary weapon running out of ammo the operator now has to reach over his Primary weapon + webbing and gear then draw and fire.

2\ Drawing from the thigh is faster than the hip or the shoulder.

3\ ALso its alot easier transitioning from Primary to secondary and back if the tactical situation requires it. The operator is going to lose his situational awareness every-time he moves to his shoulder holster as his eyes will go down to his rig.

No matter how much he has trained with that holster all the running and climbing is going to move it around. The Sling of the AR can obstruct it, etc

4\ Going to cost him time as well if he is lying belly up.


Interesting.

I was wondering how good thigh holsters would be in a car - in which NSG men ride frequently. So I decided to Google for a comparison. The links I got suggested that thigh holsters have some serious drawbacks that include
1. Flapping about while running
2. Snagging on things
3. Need to"search" while trying to retrieve the gun/greater risk of being disarmed
4. Thigh holsters are bad if you need to reach the weapon in a hurry while in a vehicle.

I am no trained soldier - but to me the chest position seems most ergonomic to retrieve a handgun in a hurry.

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Postby rohitvats » 17 May 2014 23:03

^^^Shiv, also think of net hand movement while going from primary weapon to secondary weapon.

If you're firing in this position http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/heckler-and-koch-hk-mp5.jpg and have to retrieve your hand-gun, the chest position would seem most ergonomic.

As an aside - I've seen NSG men with plastic holsters for their pistols mounted sideways on their belts. So, no flapping and entanglement stuff. Something like this: http://echo1usa.com/x/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/brian-timberwolf-holster-2.jpg

Examples of vests with integrated pistol holsters:http://www.airsplat.com/Images/front.jpg Does not interfere with primary weapon sling and grip and movement.

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Postby vasu raya » 18 May 2014 03:35

The Dhruv picture was superb!

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Good improvement on covering the ventilation ducts and maybe linoleum? floor space, the hangars look much cleaner

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Postby VishalJ » 18 May 2014 09:15

My Latest Photo:

VayuSena's First ever MiG type with its Latest - Bison & the Baaz (HI-RES) ► http://www.airliners.net/photo/2442348/L/


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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby JE Menon » 19 May 2014 23:55

Guys are those NSG commandos women? Look at the eyes of the one on the right... seems like shaped eyebrows...

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Postby KiranM » 20 May 2014 06:18

JEM sir, you are right. The curve of the back of the commando on the right suggests a lady.But the one on the left is a male for sure.

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Postby member_20067 » 22 May 2014 23:25

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Postby nits » 23 May 2014 17:16

Pics of Attack on Indian Embassy in Afganistan

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Postby jamwal » 25 May 2014 13:43

Noobiee sawaal. How do these Gulfstream reconnaissance jets work ? What kind of intelligence they gather and do they have any self defence capability ? They can't loiter in an hostile territory.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby manjgu » 25 May 2014 15:54

SIGINT, ELINT, IMINT :-) ..they never fly in enemy territory! no plane usually flies in others territory without permission... but along the border soaking up electronic emissions, taking pictures with special cameras etc.

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Postby joygoswami » 26 May 2014 12:20

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Postby andy B » 26 May 2014 14:27

jamwal wrote:Noobiee sawaal. How do these Gulfstream reconnaissance jets work ? What kind of intelligence they gather and do they have any self defence capability ? They can't loiter in an hostile territory.


Sir Ji without giving out too much info...these things basically fly around in a designated corridor and absorb the trons in the air to breakdown comms and other radio signals. In effect this is a SIGNIT- Signals intelligence which is composed broadly of ELINT- Electronic intelligence role and COMMINT- comms. intelligence roles. To this end this puppy will be carrying all sorts of antennae's to receive signals and broadcast various jamming signals, understand and classify frequencies, etc. Effectively its like giant electronic vacuum these things don't need to fly in hostile airspace because radio waves generally travel quite far so they can remain out of the effective battle area near the edge and keep working.

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Postby VishalJ » 28 May 2014 16:48

Vayudoot @ DEL - May 15, 2014

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby member_20317 » 28 May 2014 17:28

Re. joygoswami Post subject: Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian MilitaryPostPosted: 26 May 2014 12:20

Good find. So after all it is there with the IA. Net used to have dantkathas of only the BSF buying a 100 examples of these.

Love the idea of lal kaleva on it :lol: .

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Raja Bose » 28 May 2014 19:50

JE Menon wrote:Guys are those NSG commandos women? Look at the eyes of the one on the right... seems like shaped eyebrows...


Is that the reason the security guard in the picture is gaping at her? :mrgreen: SRG has had a few wimmens on deputation from CRPF every once in a while.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby shiv » 28 May 2014 20:40

Raja Bose wrote:
JE Menon wrote:Guys are those NSG commandos women? Look at the eyes of the one on the right... seems like shaped eyebrows...


Is that the reason the security guard in the picture is gaping at her? :mrgreen: SRG has had a few wimmens on deputation from CRPF every once in a while.

Is that guard also a wimmens?

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Raja Bose » 28 May 2014 21:17

^^^More of KJo type probably :wink:

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Postby rsingh » 28 May 2014 21:19

Vishal Jolapara wrote:Vayudoot @ DEL - May 15, 2014

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Indian planes used to have "VT" markings. This is something new.

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Postby Dennis » 28 May 2014 21:55

The VT- prefix is for civil aircraft.
This Embraer ERJ-135BJ is part of the IAF fleet, hence the K-xxxx serial (K-3601-K-3604).
The BSF airplane that was part of the same order is VT-BSF

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Postby member_20067 » 28 May 2014 22:28

rsingh wrote:
Vishal Jolapara wrote:Vayudoot @ DEL - May 15, 2014

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Indian planes used to have "VT" markings. This is something new.


Interesting to see the defunct MDLR airlines Avro RJ70 parked in the background. Given the fact that they missed the lease payment and stopped operation back in 2009--- Why this aircraft is still occupying ramp-space?

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Postby jamwal » 28 May 2014 23:20

manjgu, andyb
Thanks. So just SIGINT and ELINT from inside the borders.

Is that rifle Vidhwansak ?

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Postby Karan M » 28 May 2014 23:58

jamwal wrote:manjgu, andyb
Thanks. So just SIGINT and ELINT from inside the borders.

Is that rifle Vidhwansak ?


Check /search under the Gulfstream term - we had discussed the sensor package on these jets a few months back. Its a mix of SAR/ELOP and ELINT as i recall.

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Postby jamwal » 29 May 2014 01:32

CT Ops in J&K. New photos

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Postby VishalJ » 29 May 2014 22:51

Prithwiraj wrote:Interesting to see the defunct MDLR airlines Avro RJ70 parked in the background. Given the fact that they missed the lease payment and stopped operation back in 2009--- Why this aircraft is still occupying ramp-space?

Because of the Redtape that is AAI, the airport operator & DGCA :evil: - the lessor (to put it mildly) has difficulty repossessing their own a/c & getting it outta India.

Right uptill recently we had some heavily cannibalised KF A319/20/21s & ATRs littering ramps of BOM, DEL & BLR.

Dosent help airlines of India in leasing aircrafts in the future.

Air Asia India is getting their A320s parent co's ke naam pe, Tata-SQ upcoming airline who has also finalised on the same buses will be getting theirs from SQ's TigerAir.

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Postby VishalJ » 31 May 2014 20:52

Came across this interesting photo on Anet:

Dec 2013 | Krachee, Paaakstaaan - VayuSena Folland Gnat F1


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Photog Remarks:
During the initial phase of the Indo - Pakistan war, an IAF Gnat, piloted by Squadron Leader Brij Pal Singh Sikand, landed at an abandoned Pakistani airstrip at Pasrur and was captured by the PAF. Two Lockheed F-104 Starfighters forced the Gnat down.This Gnat is displayed as a war trophy in the Pakistan Air Force Museum, Karachi.

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Postby shiv » 31 May 2014 21:36

Vishal Jolapara wrote:Came across this interesting photo on Anet:

Dec 2013 | Krachee, Paaakstaaan - VayuSena Folland Gnat F1

Photog Remarks:
During the initial phase of the Indo - Pakistan war, an IAF Gnat, piloted by Squadron Leader Brij Pal Singh Sikand, landed at an abandoned Pakistani airstrip at Pasrur and was captured by the PAF. Two Lockheed F-104 Starfighters forced the Gnat down.This Gnat is displayed as a war trophy in the Pakistan Air Force Museum, Karachi.


Must set the record straight. The image below is a scan of Air Marshal Tipnis' entry in AM Philip Rajkumar's book on the history of the MiG 21.

The Gnat pilot was given a homing towards Adampur but the signal was turned off too early and he landed at Pasrur thinking it was Adampur.

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Postby NRao » 31 May 2014 23:19

shiv wrote:Must set the record straight.


When it comes to Pakis there are plenty of them, are there not? The Brtits (on the Paki side) were also an accomplice to such stories.

Going by memory here (Jagan, I lost my email account - so details were lost with it. You should have the original script with you.)

Going by fading memory here:

A few years ago I got in touch with Jagan, regarding an an incidence that occurred a few days prior to India gaining independence.

Turned out to be a major incidence.

The Pakis and Brits had one story and unknowingly I stumbled across a person who was part of the real story.

No 1 Squadron of the then RIAF was stationed in Karachi (IIRC), with both Hindus and Muslims making up the unit. As partition became a reality there was palpable friction between the two communities. Without getting into details, suffice it to say, enough friction for the Hindu group to make plans to "vacate" the base. So, they called Delhi and requested that they send a transport at a pre determined time. They packed everything they could *without* raising any alarms - which was essentially nothing.

When the transports came (more than one) the families boarded and the planes took off.

Here my memory fades (Jagan should have details in my email):

Some of teh pilots wanted to take a few planes with them. So in preparation - again without raising alarms - they prepped the planes, including using cycle tire tubing to complete fuel systems, etc. Filled fuel the night before into them, etc.

And, as a precaution, they disabled the remaining.




When I wrote this story to Jagan, his response was (paraphrasing) "so that is the real story, eh?". The party line from the Brits and Pakis apparently was totally different (perhaps Jagan can tell us what it was).



Uncle - the person who told me some of these No 1 stories - had some other fascinating experiences to narrate. Because of interest in Shastriya Sangeet we spent a lot of time together. We also liked that stuff that evaporates - so some more time. But, never did I know who Uncle really was. Until Jagan told me. By then Uncle had passed away. All those years I heard his stories, but never paid much attention to the,

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Postby VishalJ » 31 May 2014 23:26

shiv wrote:
Vishal Jolapara wrote:Came across this interesting photo on Anet:

Dec 2013 | Krachee, Paaakstaaan - VayuSena Folland Gnat F1

Photog Remarks:
During the initial phase of the Indo - Pakistan war, an IAF Gnat, piloted by Squadron Leader Brij Pal Singh Sikand, landed at an abandoned Pakistani airstrip at Pasrur and was captured by the PAF. Two Lockheed F-104 Starfighters forced the Gnat down.This Gnat is displayed as a war trophy in the Pakistan Air Force Museum, Karachi.


Must set the record straight. The image below is a scan of Air Marshal Tipnis' entry in AM Philip Rajkumar's book on the history of the MiG 21.

The Gnat pilot was given a homing towards Adampur but the signal was turned off too early and he landed at Pasrur thinking it was Adampur.

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So what eventually happened to Squadron Leader Brij Pal Singh Sikand?
Was he returned to India at a later point after being PoW?

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Postby anupmisra » 01 Jun 2014 06:52

Vishal Jolapara wrote:So what eventually happened to Squadron Leader Brij Pal Singh Sikand?
Was he returned to India at a later point after being PoW?


Here's another version which seem to support the Indian claim:

Squadron Leader Brij Pal Singh Sikand

During the initial days of the 1965 War an IAF Gnat, piloted by Squadron Leader Brij Pal Singh Sikand, landed at an abandoned Pakistani airstrip at Pasrur and was captured by the PAF. Pakistanis initially claimed that the Gnat surrendered to two Pakistani F-104 Starfighters after straying from its main formation, while the Indians claimed the pilot lost his way and landed by mistake. Later, a retired PAF historian, Air Cmde Kaiser Tufail, mentioned that the Gnat actually landed before the F-104 arrived on the scene, giving credibility to the Indian version. This particular Gnat is displayed as a war trophy in the Pakistan Air Force Museum, Karachi.


Paki version:

Squadron Leader Brijpal Singh Sikand, Commander of an Indian fighter squadron, surrenders to a PAF F-104 in combat. The painting shows him landing his Gnat fighter at Pasrur, a Pakistani airfield near Gujranwala. The F-104 was flown by Flight Lieutenant Hakimullah who became the Air Chief two decades later. Sikand was taken "prisoner" and later rose to be an IAF Air Marshal. This encounter was the most unusual event of the 1965 Air War.


So, basically, a momeen liar went on to become PeeAiyEff's air chief. What's new.

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Postby manjgu » 01 Jun 2014 09:01

yes BS sikand came back and was CO of some squardon in 1971 on the eastern front !!

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Postby Raja Bose » 01 Jun 2014 09:25

manjgu wrote:yes BS sikand came back and was CO of some squardon in 1971 on the eastern front !!


If I remember from Jagan's book (iirc), apparently by them he was too old to scramble quickly. While the younger pilots would vault quickly into the cockpit without benefit of ladder, they had to wait for the older Sikand to climb up into his aircraft slowly using a ladder leading to delays in scrambling.

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Postby P Chitkara » 01 Jun 2014 12:27

I remember my father telling me radio pakistan was called radio jhoothistan in the days of 71 war in the northern part of country due to the amount of lines being dished out on an hourly basis..

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Postby saje » 01 Jun 2014 12:37

I know I'm going to be flamed for this, but here goes... in the CI ops pictures above, not one of the soldiers' guns is fitted with optical/assisted sights. In the Indian Army, there still seems to be a big reliance on the soldiers eyeballs during a firefight. This approach is flawed, time consuming and very dangerous during a gun fight. Most of the videos on YouTube of CI ops in J&K show multiple rounds being fired by the IA soldiers into the distance at God knows what. From my limited knowledge and experience I think optical/assisted sights help to put more number of bullets in the desired area within the brief window of opportunity available, thereby killing the enemy quickly and going back home.

A few weeks back I clicked on a link posted by a member here and saw a sight which made me sick and angry... I saw a shaky grainy video of two militants attacking an Army truck in kashmir where one of the terrorists cooly goes around the truck pumping multiple bullets into the soldiers inside the truck. Final toll of that attack Militants 0; Indian Army - 15. If even a few of the soldiers in that truck had guns with optical/assisted sights I doubt that gunfight would have ended the way it did. Seems like this Army doesn't learn from it's mistakes and that's what is scary. There seems to be a mentally retarded logic in our defence establishment that only the 'best of the best' -- NSG,SPG,Para Commandos,Marcos,Garuds, need to be equipped with the high fundoo stuff whereas the actual soldier on the border still looks equipped like some Third World bhikari mercenary from Somalia.

Kids today choose on the basis of images. If they have the option of choosing between the poorly equipped, lightly armed soldier shown in the above images and the soldier with multiple firearms, UAV/AC-130/Apache gunship support -- like in games like 'Call of Duty Modern Warfare', who do you think they'll choose?!

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Postby member_23694 » 01 Jun 2014 13:48

^^^^^^^^^^^^
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And this is what calls for an urgency for Soldiers in the terrorism affected and in border areas to be equipped with state-of-the-art equipment identified for F-INSAS.
This will not only save Indian forces life but also prevent a lot of collateral damage.

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Postby Gaur » 01 Jun 2014 18:53

^^
I totally agree. But ground level modernization (eg Infantry modernization) will always be slowest. Big ticket items like aircrafts and tanks lead to greater money in pockets. Sad truth, but that is the reason why they are "relatively" quickly acquired.

IIRCGen VK Singh had indirectly said something to similar effect during an interview while he was COAS. Files of big ticket items get attention (even if not passed) while numerous files on small ticket items keep piling on dust.

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Postby VishalJ » 02 Jun 2014 14:03

April 2014: Gaj off'a Leh by my homie Sanat (more to come :wink:)

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Postby Ajit.C » 02 Jun 2014 17:28

That is one awesome picture Vishal. Donot think there exists a picture of IL 76 at so low altitude (from the ground level, not sea level) with wheels drawn in.

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Postby member_20067 » 02 Jun 2014 18:21

I thought IL-76 power to weight ratio is pretty low --- not sure how they manage to take off from such high altitude with thinner air--- must have some weight restriction

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Postby Nikhil T » 02 Jun 2014 22:51

Air Marshal Raha calling on the PM. After the courtesy call with all the three Chiefs together, PM is meeting each Chief in a one on one setting. Think the Naval Chief met him a couple days ago.

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