India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 05 Jun 2014 09:35

matrimc wrote:
prahaar wrote:This sentence is Acharya redux, are you Acharya or someone deeply inspired by him?
Acharya seems to have disappered. Where is he now-a-days?

He is present and accounted for. Just look for his language.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 05 Jun 2014 09:39

That's a fantastic post Shreeman ji. He represents an entirely different paradigm that west/US will be uncomfortable dealing with as they wanted to kill/remove everything along those lines (and yet we somehow manage to churn such folks by the millions and thank god one such rose to the highest office) and that leaves me concerned about his wellbeing in US (I know this must sound insane for almost everyone).

Hope that Indian babus are taking due care of limiting or eliminating his exposure to inimical elements.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 05 Jun 2014 10:44

Satya_anveshi wrote: I want Modi to use shuddha sanskritized hindi for every word he utters in US and use three translators one for English, others for hearing and mentally challenged people.

Why three? Two should be enough DoS people have hearing problems (they don't listen to world opinion) as well as mentally challenged to an extent.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 05 Jun 2014 10:45

Pratyush wrote:He is present and accounted for. Just look for his language.

My post was tongue in cheek.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 05 Jun 2014 10:48

So I stepped on a well laid IED.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 05 Jun 2014 12:20

I'm conflicted about Modi meeting Odama in DC. He is displaying statesmanship by not letting the CM Modi being wronged issue letting dominate the US-India relations. OTOH, I feel we are attaching too much importance by letting WH wash it's hands off the mess it did vis-a-vis Modi.

US now wants to come out and give a certificate to Modi. Well, the certificate is useless since doing anything else would be disrespecting Indian democracy, so this is US just trying to be on the right side of history. Money talks, BS walks!!!

On a lighter note, Kerry should resign given his SD's visa ban seems to have been rejected with contempt by people higher up in the food chain..

(This is the biggest and fastest U-turn even by US standards. from we'll review the Visa application when the individual applies on May 15th to please come to white house on May 16th).

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 05 Jun 2014 12:34

Hope Modi refrains from using the puke-inducing shibboleths such as "strategic partnership" and "natural allies" and shows the clarity that the best possible relationship between India and US would be a mutually beneficial transactional one in the areas of trade and investment.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 05 Jun 2014 12:39

Rony wrote:WTF ! So we let Americans off easily and everything is back to normal ?

Prime Minister Narendra Modi accepts Obama invite, off to US in September

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has accepted an invitation from US President Barack Obama to have bilateral discussions in Washington in September, potentially opening a new chapter in a sometimes edgy relationship between the world’s two biggest democracies.

Government sources in Delhi said that the United States has offered September 30 as the date for the meeting, and the Indian side has asked for it to be advanced to September 26, around the time of Modi’s maiden address at the United Nations General Assembly.

S Jaishankar, the Indian ambassador to the United States, is flying to New Delhi on June 8 for consultations with South Block and the prime minister’s office (PMO), and will brief Modi on the relationship and how to take it forward.

The meeting between Modi and Obama will mean that the US view on the Indian PM has come full circle from the time it imposed a visa ban on him in 2005 in connection with the Gujarat riots three years earlier. The process of rapprochement started in February, when its recently retired ambassador to India, Nancy Powell, went to Ahmedabad to meet Modi, then a PM candidate.

It also comes after an especially difficult period in the relationship, sparked by the arrest and humiliation of Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade in New York over allegations of visa fraud, and a particularly sharp retaliation by the Indian side.

But there could be a meeting of minds on economic ties: Modi has spoken often of the need to make India’s diplomacy trade-focused, and wants big ticket investments from mega corporations like GE, IBM and Microsoft.

The US companies, while broadly enthusiastic about India, have turned skittish of late due to stalled economic reforms, slow growth, and issues over tax, intellectual property and preferential market access.

With Modi’s entry into the PMO, the Indian embassy in Washington has started serious diplomatic efforts to lure investment. For their part, some US defence contractors are keen to sell military hardware to the world’s biggest arms importer.

“All pending bilateral issues will be discussed in the one-day meeting as Modi is keen to push the relationship forward for its economic returns for India,” said a senior South Block official.

Substantive sticking points are the Indian nuclear liability law that makes it difficult for US firms to build nuclear reactors in India, and the waning US support for India’s entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group, Missile Technology Control Regimes and other export regimes.

Apart from that, Modi is understood to be concerned about the US withdrawal from Afghanistan and its impact on Jammu and Kashmir.

Vajpayee part deux.

So desperate to get to the US that he is willing to forget

1. The Khobragade affair
2. Visa denial to an elected CM of an Indian state on grounds that amount to interference in Indian affairs

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Jun 2014 13:01

I strongly feel NM need not go to DC to meet Obomber. However if it is to be done then Devyani is to be the translator during Obomber and NM meeting.

Since she is from Mumbai I am sure she can make a reasonable job of that. I love to see the face of Obomber if that happens. Nina also should be made to meet DK or some other wronged ex NY posted IFS officers. It is also send a message that nothing is forgotten. Better yet SS her in airport.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 05 Jun 2014 13:03

Modi has to go to the US in September to attend the session of the UN General Assembly. US has requested a meeting when Modi would already be in their country. Would have looked very churlish to refuse the request.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 05 Jun 2014 13:07

Acharya seems to have disappered. Where is he now-a-days?

He is present and accounted for. Just look for his language.

Links being posted without any explanation would be a dead giveaway.

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 05 Jun 2014 13:38

The Shankh Naad - The Call of our Times

Statecraft is best pursued without attaching emotions. Modi could have clearly delayed going to the US? Yes. Would it send a message to the US? Of Course Yes! But what is important is not the public messages that press and BRF members discuss when it comes to the interests of the state.

The insult to India by way of La Affair Khobragade and Visa Refusal is there. It is not going to go away. As the leader of the country, Modi had a choice. He could have clearly indicated that he remembers the insult to India and to him personally by not going to the US or agreeing to meet the POTUS by not accepting the invitation immediately and wait for the completion of Obama Presidency. Bear in mind, he has very clearly stated that acts against individuals will not decide on relations between sovereign states. He obviously does not see the insult to bear on relations indefinitely.

He clearly wants to establish a road map and trajectory for India that will put firmly on a path of relative security and strength that will guarantee and underpin a growth model that will be comprehensive. No more compartmentalized vision of a India as an economic power, like the "Japan Model", that I used to refer. That was a vision pursued by the likes of Manmohan Singh. That era has ended.

The first steps of Modi in the realm of strategic affairs and foreign policy is clearly indicating to a vision of India that will take its place as a comprehensive global power. I have always maintained that National Security is essentially multi-dimensional. I have written and presented in the past this aspect of National Security as a composite, dynamic and evolving set of goals. In its essence, National Security is about protecting and promoting National Interests, which by themselves are inherently dynamic and evolving. How are these National Interests defined and envisioned? It has to be a natural extension of National Strengths across five dimensions, Military, Geo Political, Socio-Cultural, Economic and Science & Technology. In each of these dimensions we will have National Aspirations and this has to be viewed in the context of National Strengths.

It is this integrated view that will help envision a set of National Goals and National Interest and to pursue them would be the basis of our National Security agenda. Foreign diplomacy and geo-political realities must dictate a set of options. Capabilities in these dimensions will not ensure achieving of National Interests or Goals. An integrated well crafted pursuit of National Interests that combines all the five dimensions alone will help achieve our agenda. It is also important that the National Interests are well defined and clear.

Given the above, this watershed election has given an opportunity to the GoI to recalibrate the National Vision of what India wants. Unfortunately, in our democracy, foreign policy is not an election issue. The reason for this is very clear. The general population trusts the GoI of whatever dispensation to pursue a policy of continuity in our foreign policy. In this two principal axioms were considered inviolable by any government.

(i) Strategic decisions and options of India will be decided only by India and by Indians. There can be no dilution of this principle for any of the strategic decisions to powers outside India - be it super powers or any multi-lateral arrangement.

(ii) Indian independence to exercise its strategic decisions and options will never be compromised. No inducements, threat of force or coercion will be accepted to infringe on this right and India will pay any price to defend this independence.

Till the advent of Manmohan Singh government, all previous governments have never compromised on these fundamentals, no matter what the odds.

I believe that the dilution on the above principles will be stopped and their sanctity will be restored. This is the continuity part of our National Security strategy and the foreign policy that we adopt will be within the boundaries of these principles. There is no change in this from Modi government. It will only be a reassertion of these inviolable postulates.

The change will be in the tone, tenor and grammar of how we conduct ourselves. That is in large part dictated by the Vision and Goals we will have. This government has indicated very clearly that they are not thinking of a five year mandate but are laying out a plan and vision for India for a much longer time frame. The change will be seen in the comprehensive vision of India that straddles all the five dimensions mentioned above.

While that clarity in thought is essential in forging a path ahead, it is also a demand of statecraft that one must have a clarity in the path to be taken to reach or realize the Vision. It has to be a reflection of a good understanding of the current situation across all the five dimensions in relation to that vision. The lens of realism must be applied without sentimentality. The realpolitik nature of the World must be studied and opportunities seized so that the path to the vision is traversed.

I believe that the initial steps taken by Modi government signals an understanding and intent. It is a call for action. There is a Unity in Purpose and Clarity in Thought on what needs to be done. It is in this context one should look at things and decide. Modi has exercised a choice here. He is pursuing a plan of action that will call for engagement with the pre-eminent powers of the world and that includes the USG. I do not think he is under any illusion, nor is he looking at things from a transactional point of view. It is merely an acknowledgement to reality that he needs to engage.

What is more important is the agenda that is getting unveiled slowly. The ramifications of which will be far reaching. Is he likely to make all the decisions in this journey correctly? Probably not. There will be a few mis steps. What is more important is that there is a plan and there is an approach to realize the plan that is based on unsentimental and objective assessment of the situation. Even more importantly, the plan that is there is clearly to achieve a comprehensive Vision of India.

The signals are there for those who care to read them well.

As usual just a ramble, take it for what it is worth.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 05 Jun 2014 13:44

SanjayC wrote:Modi has to go to the US in September to attend the session of the UN General Assembly. US has requested a meeting when Modi would already be in their country. Would have looked very churlish to refuse the request.

He could have simply said that the relations cannot be business as usual unless the Khobragade issue is settled with a formal apology at the very least.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 05 Jun 2014 14:07

^^ Khobragade issue is settled. It's over. Now only details... and some media nitpicking.

Modi was invited. He accepted. It is clear his handling of the US will be vastly different from his predecessor. We now have to wait and watch to see the unfolding.

Certainly, not everything will go exactly like BRF posters may wish for.

habal · Post by **habal** » 05 Jun 2014 14:32

You can always talk to Obama but nothing much is ever going to come out of it.

As Putin Sir has learnt. As a result he has stopped talking to Obama from April onwards. It's pointless exercise. Obama will always support war whether you talk to him or not was the belated realization.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 05 Jun 2014 14:39

Lot of fingering going on India's internal issues - picturizing as if the whole Indian Male Psyche is violent and rapacious when it comes to women - and therefore Indian state cannot be anything but fundamentally apathetic to violence on women.

I think its useless to try and rectify this perception positively by explaining things (that India has a huge population so sheer number of rapes is high,its social system is in disarray due to the huge floating population of migrants in cities etc etc) - as this perception itself is being created and sustained with ulterior motives - irrespective of facts or reason.

Only a counterattack exposing the sexual nightmares which are packed in feelgood phrases like "American Dream" , "Scandanavian Wellbeing" and other assorted western claims of their cuntries being veritable shangrila's - using our SM and MSM (once it gets under the thumb of PIF) will end these barrages.

In the mean time Modi (and his team) must understand the underlying social factors driving this explosion of violence on women in our country(not compared to other cuntries, but compared to our own historical incidence rate) and address them as effectively as possible.
Our indic philosophies have many pointers IMO to neutralize the materialist/consumerist (one life - enjoy it while one can) philosophies funneled onto India due to Western dominated globalisation.
Infact here i agree with the SP leader who said that our bollywood movies and TV shows are seeding perverse outlooks in the weaker (and often younger) minds of our society which are getting expressed in this violence on rest of the society. Getting OT now so ill stop.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 05 Jun 2014 15:00

JE Menon wrote:^^ Khobragade issue is settled. It's over. Now only details... and some media nitpicking.

A settlement where India has swallowed the rape of an Indian diplomat. Some settlement.

JE Menon wrote:Modi was invited. He accepted. It is clear his handling of the US will be vastly different from his predecessor. We now have to wait and watch to see the unfolding.

Certainly, not everything will go exactly like BRF posters may wish for.

True. But I can still point out the BS about "never letting India's honour be besmirched" right? A campaign promise no less.

habal · Post by **habal** » 05 Jun 2014 15:07

there seems to be vested interests in the Indian American lobby who want to see DK affair as 'settled', the US fingered/raped the Indian diplomat and that matter 'settled' at status quo means that India has accepted US suzerainty. This status sits rather well with this lobby who wish to change things inside India to their advantage using US pressure.

As regards Modi, he will revert to the US on this matter at a day and time of his choosing, and I am certain the IFS won't let him forget this incident in a hurry. Talking to Americans esp SD is a pointless exercise, which should be evident to all govts around the world by now, they will follow the war wherever the war is and they will always back the terrorists in whichever shape or form they present themselves. The Modi idea here is more to do with semantics of image, portrayal and other issues and little to do with US relations, as any level-headed diplomat may care to clarify to the new admin.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 05 Jun 2014 15:15

Merlin,

A diplomat suffered custodial rape (an excellent term, which the Americans have no clue about). India could not prevent it. So nothing is going to undo that. We are making their own people feel the pain within India itself, as numerous news-reports have indicated. The two half-wits involved have been sent back home, and their prospects of anything resembling an upward career is severely hobbled. Khobragade is back in India. The silly, grasping maid and her husband are divorcing. Most of this already done under Congress government.

Only a direct tit for tat - i.e. a custodial lathi plunge into the nether regions of a female US diplomat - would have settled the matter in apples for apples fashion.

But India will never go that route, especially given that the view is that the Americans were not doing it wilfully; regardless of what is written, it was incompetence at the higher and middle reaches of SD, combined with a low animal cunning at the lower end closer to Paco, that led to Khobragade's tribulations.

So we get instead of apples for apples, several cherries for an apple (no pun intended).

It is over. There's money to be made, bigger fish to fry. We will move on. But we won't forget.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 05 Jun 2014 15:41

JE Menon wrote:Merlin,

A diplomat suffered custodial rape (an excellent term, which the Americans have no clue about). India could not prevent it. So nothing is going to undo that. We are making their own people feel the pain within India itself, as numerous news-reports have indicated. The two half-wits involved have been sent back home, and their prospects of anything resembling an upward career is severely hobbled. Khobragade is back in India. The silly, grasping maid and her husband are divorcing. Most of this already done under Congress government.

Only a direct tit for tat - i.e. a custodial lathi plunge into the nether regions of a female US diplomat - would have settled the matter in apples for apples fashion.

But India will never go that route, especially given that the view is that the Americans were not doing it wilfully; regardless of what is written, it was incompetence at the higher and middle reaches of SD, combined with a low animal cunning at the lower end closer to Paco, that led to Khobragade's tribulations.

So we get instead of apples for apples, several cherries for an apple (no pun intended).

It is over. There's money to be made, bigger fish to fry. We will move on. But we won't forget.

JEM, moving on is fine and I have no issues with that. A tit for tat is not in our culture as a refined people so that won't happen and especially not to a foreign woman diplomat.

But the least I would expect is an apology to India. Settling for less than this is setting a very bad precedent. There are numerous issues here - a diplomat represents the country, so the country was deliberately insulted. Spiriting away Indian citizens wanted by Indian courts is something to forget? Not a banana republic are we?

The least I would accept from our side is to hit the US Embassy School for back taxes and then take away, permanently, all privileges extended unilaterally to the Americans which are not extended to ours in the US. And the same goes for other nations. If they consider India to be a punishment posting then it should really be so, no?

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 05 Jun 2014 15:50

Modi has to go to the US in September to attend the session of the UN General Assembly. US has requested a meeting when Modi would already be in their country. Would have looked very churlish to refuse the request.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is also met with hired and trained protesters to insult him. They will definitely be standing by the roadside expressing their free speech with hand written signs and protests.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 05 Jun 2014 15:55

Just wait for some cretin in the US to file a complaint naming Modi as a mass murderer, and a judge to issue a warrant for his arrest in the US, pending trial. Will be interesting to see if the US administration actually implements the judge's warrant citing US law.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 05 Jun 2014 17:30

>>But the least I would expect is an apology to India. Settling for less than this is setting a very bad precedent. There are numerous issues here - a diplomat represents the country, so the country was deliberately insulted.

I think you mean a public apology is required. This won't happen. In such a situation we won't do it either.

>>Spiriting away Indian citizens wanted by Indian courts is something to forget? Not a banana republic are we?

The answer is "no" to both. I've said so in previous post. GoI won't forget.

>>The least I would accept from our side is to hit the US Embassy School for back taxes and then take away, permanently, all privileges extended unilaterally to the Americans which are not extended to ours in the US.

So would I, and indications are that things are heading in that direction. Or we may revert to square one for some other concession... We won't go back to square one for nothing. That is certain.

>>And the same goes for other nations. If they consider India to be a punishment posting then it should really be so, no?

Irrelevant boss. It does not matter what other nations or people think of us. We will observe and secure the benefit, short-term and/or long-term. That's all.

Below not a response to merlin in particular:

Contrary to what seems to be public belief here, the babus at MEA and other external facing bureaucracies are not exactly all waiting to sell the country for a bottle of whichever country's finest. But they are diplomats and it is necessary to be nice. That is less expensive and more efficient. What can be gotten free with good words should be.

Of course, mistakes will be made. Par for the course. And by no means is any of our bureaucracies the pinnacle of efficiency and strategic wisdom. But after so many years, I'm yet to find on BRF a few bits of original praise from posters (i.e. not some link or 2nd hand opinion) for our MEA or HM, IB or the governors...

That can't be right. We've just conducted the most glorious exercise in human choice in the history of mankind without many flaws; with a staff of less than 1,000 the MEA has kept the country out of any major war for over a quarter century; with the second largest population in the world to cover, and the most fractious, argumentative and stir-crazy people you are likely to find anywhere, the HM & IB manages to keep the fissiparous tendencies from overflowing, the Islamic terror drivers from getting the upper hand, and the virtually hundreds of other lunatic trends from going out of control; and finally, with the help of its severely underfunded and under-appreciated defence and S&T bureaucracies, the country manages to remain close to the cutting edge of militarisation, scientific endeavour and technological advance. Surely, this can't all be just chance.

Why does no one see a CT in that, I wonder? Maybe because it would be Indian driven?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 05 Jun 2014 17:31

matrimc wrote:Why three? Two should be enough DoS people have hearing problems (they don't listen to world opinion) as well as mentally challenged to an <large> extent.

English translation is for Indian Americans (increasingly they are proving to be American Indians) .

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 05 Jun 2014 17:37

nageshks wrote:Just wait for some cretin in the US to file a complaint naming Modi as a mass murderer, and a judge to issue a warrant for his arrest in the US, pending trial. Will be interesting to see if the US administration actually implements the judge's warrant citing US law.

Count on it. But, the DoS makes the call on immunity and the Judge will not want to look foolish so he/she will consult the DoS first and be told No and then refuse to entertain the case.

The same would apply from the Indian side in India

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Jun 2014 17:47

Guys, my take. ModiJi is embarking on a slipper wicket, but just as I said when he chose to invite the puke, on this meeting with Obama, I will cut him some slack. As somebody else said, if news reports are to be believed, it was US that sought the meeting, due to take place on the sidelines of UN meet, so it would have been petty for ModiJi to say no to the world's sole super duper.

Its amazing to see the number of rape stories about India in US media. What gives? Who is this AMANA FONTANELLA-KHAN? She drags ModiJi into the UP rape saga too

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/05/opini ... pists.html

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Jun 2014 17:49

nageshksJi, that cretin in US will for sure be a "South Asian". And when ModiJi comes here, it will be argumentative Indians in full flow going at each other.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Jun 2014 17:54

The agenda is domestic for NM. US trip adds little for him in terms of domestic economic agenda. If Obomber wish to meet NM he can come to NY to meet him. I think NM is too soft on US.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 05 Jun 2014 18:37

JE Menon wrote:^^ Khobragade issue is settled. It's over. Now only details... and some media nitpicking.

Modi was invited. He accepted. It is clear his handling of the US will be vastly different from his predecessor. We now have to wait and watch to see the unfolding.

Certainly, not everything will go exactly like BRF posters may wish for.

Interests of India are bigger then any one person or party. Manyniia PM is playing realpolitiks. World is a big Chess game. So many high and mighty are in dust. Almighty khan is forced to run away from Afganistan after loosing thousands of American lives and trillions of $. Mighty USSR is no more. China has to follow one nation two system arrangement for HK. UK is downsized to a city state. Whoever was our PM........we have steered away from troubles and still managed to exist as a single country despite being playground for CIA and KGB. As always we have to keep all options open. We may need US backing in any conflict with China in near future. Or we may need Chinese help to stabilize Afganistan or tracking rouge nuclear bombs once Bakistan disintegrates. Me think we have to keep all options open. So please people stop this rona dhona and chaddi dance.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jun 2014 18:50

SanjayC wrote:Modi has to go to the US in September to attend the session of the UN General Assembly. US has requested a meeting when Modi would already be in their country. Would have looked very churlish to refuse the request.

I agree nothing more than that. Ans also understand he needs to defuse or delay the financial bomb which has been armed and ready to go.
Atri can make you understand better.

And if one is counting or taking hisab, its the US that is at the lower tally as they asked to meet him in DC and not the UN sidelines. So this is defacto State visit to someone they demonised as recently as two months ago. So lots of virtual crow soup and tandoori crow with theplas.

Only I want to remind people its not just making money that matters for a civilizational state.
And BRF does not speak for GOI in any manner.
So would desist frowm using royal "we".

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 05 Jun 2014 19:08

^^Besides, US can also avoid "issuing a visa" (LOL!) or inviting Shri. Modi separately for a state visit. This is, as usual, just a sneaky way for the US to get out of the mess it created (due to its arrogance, lack of basic diplomatic skills, and muddled thinking) in the first place. They can claim Koopura vizunthalum meesaila mannu ottalai (Feeling proud that there is no sand in one's mushtache, even after falling flat on their face).

IMO, Modi is right in ignoring the atrocious behavior of the US, as Childish nonsense, and look out for Indian interests. The US politicians and diplomats can learn a few lessons from his statesmanship. We need to look at the substance of the meeting, to determine if this is just a move towards establishing a working relationship, or if it is something more. Hopefully, Modi insists on behavior change from the US especially in its relationship with the problem child Pakistan and mollycoddling of terrorists.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Jun 2014 19:20

ramana wrote:
SanjayC wrote:Modi has to go to the US in September to attend the session of the UN General Assembly. US has requested a meeting when Modi would already be in their country. Would have looked very churlish to refuse the request.

I agree nothing more than that. Ans also understand he needs to defuse or delay the financial bomb which has been armed and ready to go.
Atri can make you understand better.

And if one is counting or taking hisab, its the US that is at the lower tally as they asked to meet him in DC and not the UN sidelines. So this is defacto State visit to someone they demonised as recently as two months ago. So lots of virtual crow soup and tandoori crow with theplas.

Only I want to remind people its not just making money that matters for a civilizational state.
And BRF does not speak for GOI in any manner.
So would desist frowm using royal "we".

NM should meet the POTUS in September in the background of UN. It will be fun if the meeting happens in UN premises, which is an international territory.

If US insists on having the meeting outside UN, then NM should demand that GOTUS gifts a FAB to India as a goodwill gesture in return for India exporting million+ IT professionals.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 05 Jun 2014 19:23

looks like another bout of

wrt NaMo meeting ombaba.

consider this-- USa for the last 9 yearstill may 15, has been consistent in saying that NaMo will not get the visa. Post May 16 things changed dramatically, SD and ombaba had to swallow their on bitternesss and say "come NaMo we will give you visa" you dont need to apply. we will grovel and do the spadework for your visa,

uncle has lot of etch and deee which has been torn to shreds by this very act.
It is another way of saying SORRY galti say mistake hui without saying it in Inglish.

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DK saga is another of way of getting ungli upon SD ar*e.
DK was spirited away in full glare of mighty amir khans with diplomatic immunity.(Iam sure many other coutries will look into the intricate details of how this was done- except some other country try this stunt also

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This has not happened with other countries.(yeah ussr china comes thru incluidng saudis-- difference is for these diplomutts they were cut short in intial stages itself- did not escalate as hapopened to DK- hence easier toi handle the aftermath).

despite the custodial rape, a big ungli inserted into uncle's etch and hd which will take years for the scars to heal.
No wonder all SD officals and PB ranting everywhere.

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NaMo meeting ombaba is on the UNO meeting- dont think NaMo would have agreed on his own. As he is already in NY for uno meeting ombaba is courtsey call like. It is actually ombaba who is

forced to acknowledge his presence.
Ombaba could have ignored NaMo in uno and went to his preseidential duties isnt it. why did he need to invite it.

Reason-- uncle is aware of his pro growth policies in Gujarat. also his intent to creat pro growth conditons in india. he is non corrupt, gets things done in proper way (unlike congis corrupt leaders.) uncle needs growth markets for itself to grow and maintain its preminence as a sooper powah. Also India is too large not to be missed(with congis it is another matter as congis tend to grovel due to sychopants and dimwits on both sides).
ombaba has to strike early and maintain a business like relationship with NaMo(corruption is a no go area). hence the excessive U turn to bend towards NaMo.

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Why did NaMo accept the invitation--- anyone following NaMo since his CMship Gujarat- has never refused any invitaion unless he is prebooked or has another schedule. he meets everyone incluidng frenemies enemeis everyone. Most famous of course is some prominent muslims who met him after 2002. he listens to everyone and takes their view points and explains his points.

Here uncle is besseching NaMo-

- NaMo true to his nature accepted the beseechment.

NaMo is painfully aware of the situation in India - need to progress in al spheres. uncle can help in some areas.
hence during elections and everywhere he was asked he said clearly- indivudals dont matter .
Also it gives him enough reserve ammunition in case of any hanky panky with Russia and China as it is going to be a multi polar world(India desires it but not uncle).
By keeping in touch with everyone, NaMo if he is astute enough can keep everyone happy and make India progress.
Indians want it- has been given a big mandate to NaMo.

JMTs.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 05 Jun 2014 19:27

" For years, US officials have discouraged bilateral visits by world leaders dovetailed with the UN General Assembly session in September. This, they feel, puts the US in an uncomfortable spot, as many others of the 200-odd UN countries would try to make a beeline for Washington before or after visiting the UN in New York.

Last year, the rare exception they made was for Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who had hoped to meet Barack Obama in his last visit to the US as PM. Till the last minute, however, officials in Washington had been unable to confirm a time-slot for Singh, and an expected luncheon between the two leaders was truncated to a working "bag lunch" along with the delegations. Even so, the meeting left many others who had asked, including Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif disgruntled (he visited Washington a month after his UN appearance). "

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/new ... 085011.ece

Originally the date was set for September 30, PMO asked for it to changed to September 26. So the WH is bending over backwards and that indicates they no longer trust the DoS to handle the India relationship.

satya · Post by **satya** » 05 Jun 2014 19:32

rsingh wrote:
JE Menon wrote:^^ Khobragade issue is settled. It's over. Now only details... and some media nitpicking.

Modi was invited. He accepted. It is clear his handling of the US will be vastly different from his predecessor. We now have to wait and watch to see the unfolding.

Certainly, not everything will go exactly like BRF posters may wish for.
Interests of India are bigger then any one person or party. Manyniia PM is playing realpolitiks. World is a big Chess game. So many high and mighty are in dust. Almighty khan is forced to run away from Afganistan after loosing thousands of American lives and trillions of $. Mighty USSR is no more. China has to follow one nation two system arrangement for HK. UK is downsized to a city state. Whoever was our PM........we have steered away from troubles and still managed to exist as a single country despite being playground for CIA and KGB. As always we have to keep all options open. We may need US backing in any conflict with China in near future. Or we may need Chinese help to stabilize Afganistan or tracking rouge nuclear bombs once Bakistan disintegrates. Me think we have to keep all options open. So please people stop this rona dhona and chaddi dance.

+108

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jun 2014 19:32

Cosmo_R, Ombaba gave both his opponents in Democratic party the chance to be #3 in the hierarchy(after the VP) by naming them to head SD.
Both have failed miserably in the job and worse failed the country.
Bilary with Benghazi
Kerrorist with Ukraine.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 05 Jun 2014 21:54

/\/\ Agreed. Hard to find good Democratic candidate for 2016. If Republicans dont screw up, it is their chance.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 05 Jun 2014 22:21

if hilary stands, benghazi won't be the one to bring her down. benghazi plays only with people who already won't ever vote for her. rest are already tuned out when they hear benghazi.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 05 Jun 2014 23:06

* politics is a race to the bottom. 2008 was a black year. 2016 is a female year in all likelihood. hillary will be hobbled but left standing after primaries, outsiders like elizabeth warren have a real chance in either party race. low turnout, disillusioned populace, no real change. one house of parliament will remain with either party. republicans have no candidates of any sort of credibility, and they have the tea party leaches (just waiting in the wings until pointy hats become fashionable again).

* the india-us meetings will be a separate event -- "summit" vist from indian perspective, necessary evil from the us -- if it gets us past 2013, good for every one. it is a very difficult road to any meaningful discussion.

* like the us domestic affairs, only trouble makers will benefit in the short term. their business interests are already lined up. lets see if anything changes in the medium to long term.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 05 Jun 2014 23:30

With the kind of mistakes the democrats have made and promises left unfulfilled, it should be an easy layup for the republicans. But they're busy shooting themselves in the foot to take advantage of the situation. So there is a very good chance of Hillary becoming president.