Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 06 Jun 2014 01:11

krishnan wrote:so i wonder what was MMS doing in office so early and so late with people around him ??

My close relative is an IAS in NBlock and he says it is a common culture to come around 10 but stay till 8.00 pm for most of the ministers and their babus, only diff is this time, they are working in office for bharat desh. Previously they worked for themselves. Shockingly cut from every deal how so ever small even inspector's posting in Delhi went up to Shinde & Madam.
Hand written notes from Shinde are well known to circulate in MHA passing diktat re transfer posting

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 06 Jun 2014 01:15

http://kalchiron.blogspot.com/2014/06/a ... l?spref=tw

For Kal chiron who posted in teetar the great advice given by Swamy ramdas to Maharaj Sambhaji on becoming a King.
I am posting this magnificient Bhajan also written by Swamy Ramdas.
Understand the meaning of Ram, all your sorrows will be gone.

disha · Post by **disha** » 06 Jun 2014 02:37

KJoishy wrote: Yes, if this is true, I am disappointed. Modi should have played hard to get, and made the US wait for years. Visited many countries and then deigned to visit the US.

Is visiting many countries or meeting many heads of state important?

In July, Modi will be in BRICS summit. He will also be meeting with special envoys from China and Russia. He has already met SAARC leaders (and blazed a new path)., and of course he and Shinzo Abe are part of a mutually admiration club.

What Modi is doing is what Modi will do, put Indian interests first. When Modi meets Obama, Modi will be in a position to strike a very hard bargain for India. US is a large trading partner of India (@ 100 Billion dollars/year) and it is already hinted that they are ready to take that to some 500 Billion dollars per year.

America currently cannot unmake India (pinpricks from US SD not withstanding)., so it is better that they work with us and we also use this window of opportunity to chart a long term course for India.

Again as in politics, there are no real friends or enemies - all are frenemies.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Jun 2014 06:26

darshhan wrote:[Forget Mantri job. He is just trying to save his ass. He is one of the suspects in his wife's murder.

Is that still on? If so, good. The legal case has to take its own course. Any international org deputed dilli billis should not go free if they are indeed guilty.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 06 Jun 2014 06:48

What the PM understands (and you jingos don't) is that politics and statesmanship are two entirely different things, just like GHQ and SHQ.

(Well, I am not alleging that the PM understands the latter part

)

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 06 Jun 2014 10:38

Don't Use 'Sycophant Terms Like Modi 1, Modi 2': Mani Shankar Aiyar's Advice to Shashi Tharoor

Can there be anything richer than this disastrous chump, Mani Aiyar, taking the moral high ground on sycophancy ?!

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 06 Jun 2014 10:59

You should watch the program on NDTV where he said this and much more; hard to find such a comprehensive assh0le anywhere on the planet. Every time he pipes up, he needs to be shat down...

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 06 Jun 2014 11:00

JEM you said it better than I ever could.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 06 Jun 2014 11:32

The only guy who makes me regret that our gods proclaimed freedom of speech an absolute must within the corners of a stage (in his case a political stage no doubt - so stretching it).

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Jun 2014 11:35

Is there a YouTube video of that in case I need to raise my BP/HR?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 06 Jun 2014 11:43

You know Manyar (krait) snake? Maniiyyar of the same species can be found in political jungle.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2014 11:50

Arjun wrote:Don't Use 'Sycophant Terms Like Modi 1, Modi 2': Mani Shankar Aiyar's Advice to Shashi Tharoor

Can there be anything richer than this disastrous chump, Mani Aiyar, taking the moral high ground on sycophancy ?!

takes one to truly know one.

What's with all the paki born na mards??

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 06 Jun 2014 11:52

JE Menon wrote:You should watch the program on NDTV where he said this and much more; hard to find such a comprehensive assh0le anywhere on the planet. Every time he pipes up, he needs to be shat down...

Another curious thing is why NDTV should be calling this guy again and again on panel discussions? Who does he represent and why is it important for viewers to know his views? He is just an old pal of Pranoy Roy, a fellow commie, and this Roy idiot lets his personal friendship override his professional judgement.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 06 Jun 2014 11:58

Raja Bose wrote:Is there a YouTube video of that in case I need to raise my BP/HR?

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/p ... h_also_see

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 06 Jun 2014 13:10

For TV studios TRPs override all other sentiments. Owaisi, teesta , Mani all are controversial nutters who could say anything at anytime and the studios could gain from that. That is why they are brought in again and again. Tomorrow if Modi says that he will give an interview to Ndtv on condition that Mani Iyer does not appear in their studio for next 10 years, ndtv will drop their panties and agree as a Modi interview is guaranteed to bring in the best viewer ship for that timeslot.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 06 Jun 2014 14:02

Neela wrote:For TV studios TRPs override all other sentiments. Owaisi, teesta , Mani all are controversial nutters who could say anything at anytime and the studios could gain from that. That is why they are brought in again and again.

Not really. If TRPs are the only consideration, then how many times is Praveen Togadia called to give his views, or RSS dudes? It is not a coincidence that all the jokers invited are communists, "liberals" or Cong doormats. It is the old boys network at play -- the jokers who spent their youth in 70s drinking the cool aid of Karl Marx.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 06 Jun 2014 15:30

They put this buffoon on TV because they know he will spout shite and then they can use that to lead as another story. This is one of the byproducts of these crappy shout-shows... they help create new news... Modi used the right name for these jackasses - Newstraders.

Only good thing in all this is occasionally there's a cute presenter, like Nidhi Razdan. She's back to her normal weight after giving birth I think, and she looks bloody awesome in a gold-bordered mallu sari - saw her wearing one during an Onam season newsshow I think. I fear she will be poached by some global news channel sooner or later.

And then we'll have to watch that shite.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 06 Jun 2014 15:33

Dileep wrote:What the PM understands (and you jingos don't) is that politics and statesmanship are two entirely different things, just like GHQ and SHQ.

(Well, I am not alleging that the PM understands the latter part )

When NaMo sarkar has huge mandate, it is better to focus on strategic goals and creating and nurturing strategic strenghts.

Spending credit from such huge mandate in chaotic UN may not be the best option when he is clearly not welcome in USA and UN at best is a meeting place.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 06 Jun 2014 15:42

It would be good if Modi can start a regular 'Talk to the Nation' televised address, where he communicates on various issues of public policy. My suggestion would be to do this on a monthly basis.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 06 Jun 2014 16:06

^^ Arjun, I was initially for the suggestion you just said. But then thinking otherwise, too much sharing the information creates more unrest and mental masturbation. Also once spoken formally addressing the nation the words will be taken for granted and that could create even more trouble. I think it is better if done informally, on ad-hoc basis, as and when he addresses any public meeting or forum.

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 06 Jun 2014 17:10

Does the Prime Minister relax at all?

And the PM, babus say, is wise to some common tricks of babudom. "He knows what tricks babus use to shirk work or not do a job. So it is not surprising that he effectively counters them," an official said. This official said during another tour of South Block, the PM, after visiting ground floor offices, took the elevator straight to the fourth floor — "word hadn't reached the fourth floor that the PM was doing the rounds, the PM knew he will catch some officials by surprise".

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 06 Jun 2014 18:39

https://www.facebook.com/drsubramanians ... =1&theater

Dr. Subramanian Swamy

Hope this issue is looked into sooner than later,
now that Sonia is no longer in charge.
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In the past 3 years, two major nuclear institutions; Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) and Kaiga Nuclear Facility, have reported at least 9 unnatural deaths of nuclear scientists and engineers who had been working with them.

The latest casualty was discovered on 7th October, 2013, in the state of Andhra Pradesh, Vishakapatnam; two engineers – K.K Josh and Abhish Shivam (chief engineers connected with the building of India’s indigenous nuclear-powered submarine, Arihant.) were found dead in a very strange condition.

They were poisoned first and then left on railway tracks to make it look like an accident. The story of other scientists is strikingly similar. One thing in common : all deaths were in mysterious circumstances. There is obviously a well planned conspiracy behind this and our nation is under attack.

The matter of shame however is, the UPA government had opted to remain silent and media had decided to take it unfocused. The report was published by international media (Read an excellent coverage here : http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/pmo ... ist-deaths)
In any other country, a single such death would have been sufficient to create a storm, we in India have chosen to ignore it.

Perhaps, for us our country starts and ends within the boundary of our homes. Nation can wait, we must go shopping today.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 06 Jun 2014 18:47

^+1.

Something very fishy,very sinister about the deaths of our N-human capital...

manju · Post by **manju** » 06 Jun 2014 19:48

Arjun wrote:It would be good if Modi can start a regular 'Talk to the Nation' televised address, where he communicates on various issues of public policy. My suggestion would be to do this on a monthly basis.

restart chai pe charcha

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 06 Jun 2014 20:04

Arjun wrote:Don't Use 'Sycophant Terms Like Modi 1, Modi 2': Mani Shankar Aiyar's Advice to Shashi Tharoor

Can there be anything richer than this disastrous chump, Mani Aiyar, taking the moral high ground on sycophancy ?!

True. Also it looks like shashi is feeling choked for sometime as he has to repeatedly defend Rahul baba and is unable to give fair views which he holds dear. I guess he is in a wrong party.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 06 Jun 2014 20:14

Arjun wrote:It would be good if Modi can start a regular 'Talk to the Nation' televised address, where he communicates on various issues of public policy. My suggestion would be to do this on a monthly basis.

Hugo Chavez had almost a daily broadcast I believe, very popular, his talking to nation went a long way in convincing the nation on nationalization of oil assets IIRC.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 06 Jun 2014 20:51

NaMO on Unanimous Election of Smt Sumitra Mahajan as Speaker of the House.

महाजनो येन गतः स पन्थाः

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 06 Jun 2014 20:56

ashish raval wrote:
Arjun wrote:Don't Use 'Sycophant Terms Like Modi 1, Modi 2': Mani Shankar Aiyar's Advice to Shashi Tharoor

Can there be anything richer than this disastrous chump, Mani Aiyar, taking the moral high ground on sycophancy ?!

True. Also it looks like shashi is feeling choked for sometime as he has to repeatedly defend Rahul baba and is unable to give fair views which he holds dear. I guess he is in a wrong party.

Is more like Sonia sent ST to do the Modi 2.0, as the world media is now realizing that Congis fooled them about Modi for years. So the current congi plan is Modi has changed and become 2.0, after May 26. He was a Hitler kind of megalomaniac until 25th May. It is actually Sonia -2.0 and Taroor -2.0 avtars in play.

kvjayan · Post by **kvjayan** » 06 Jun 2014 23:44

Losers and gainers

MSA: Hello Arunji. I am sorry to hear that you lost from Amritsar.

AJ: Hello Aiyar saar. I am also sorry to hear that you lost the election. But, what are you going to do now to keep yourself busy?

MSA: Not to worry. Madamji has given me the privilege of serving chai to the Cong MPs in the new Lok Sabha and thus directly cut into the profession of the fascist, Hitler, asura, what not. Anyhow, what are you going to do, law practice or cricket politics?

AJ: Neither. Modiji has taken me into his cabinet. The only thing is that it is going to be a tough task to manage two or three heavy ministries at the same time.

MSA: Oh, is it so? I didn't expect you in the cabinet. Anyhow, my job is not going to be that heavy. Only 44 cups of chai per day (and that too only when the parliament is in session) which I will finish in a jiffy. Ha, ha.....

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 07 Jun 2014 01:07

Its very early to start addressing the public. Guys, lets give them some time. They need 2-3 months to first understand the system and jumpstart specific projects. I am seeing the key ministries in action, like Piyush Goyal is already charting out the plan for 24x7 power across every corner of India. Let them first initiate all this stuff and most importantly get a handle on inflation before they come out and address people.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 07 Jun 2014 02:33

ashish raval wrote:
Arjun wrote:Don't Use 'Sycophant Terms Like Modi 1, Modi 2': Mani Shankar Aiyar's Advice to Shashi Tharoor

Can there be anything richer than this disastrous chump, Mani Aiyar, taking the moral high ground on sycophancy ?!

True. Also it looks like shashi is feeling choked for sometime as he has to repeatedly defend Rahul baba and is unable to give fair views which he holds dear. I guess he is in a wrong party.

Tharoor is a congressi viper snake, atm he is worried about an investigation into his wife's death, in the past in his suave language he has made the same points against Modi that the guttersnipe MSA and Azam Khan have. No mercy for these congooons, all of them must pay for their sins.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jun 2014 03:19

Mahendra You need to participate more often.
Totally agree with you, only he is a rattle snake. There is antidote for cobra viper etc. None for Rattle snake only amputation after bite.
And don't forget the Dubai connection for his Kochi Cricket Team funding.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 07 Jun 2014 03:55

Nice talk on speaker election and the shloka at the end (reflects more as a sense of humor within the seriousness of the topic at the beginning).

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 07 Jun 2014 04:06

Yogi_G wrote:
Arjun wrote:It would be good if Modi can start a regular 'Talk to the Nation' televised address, where he communicates on various issues of public policy. My suggestion would be to do this on a monthly basis.
Hugo Chavez had almost a daily broadcast I believe, very popular, his talking to nation went a long way in convincing the nation on nationalization of oil assets IIRC.

Popular??? His 'Talk' went on for hours...

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 07 Jun 2014 04:25

Mahendra wrote:
ashish raval wrote:

True. Also it looks like shashi is feeling choked for sometime as he has to repeatedly defend Rahul baba and is unable to give fair views which he holds dear. I guess he is in a wrong party.

Tharoor is a congressi viper snake, atm he is worried about an investigation into his wife's death, in the past in his suave language he has made the same points against Modi that the guttersnipe MSA and Azam Khan have. No mercy for these congooons, all of them must pay for their sins.

In which case no mercy. Somehow I got feeling from his past appearances that he was not spitting venom as others did or perhaps I might have not followed political discourse and somehow missed those episodes when he will be ranting against namo. The feeling I got was he was parroting party line rather than following his conviction but that feeling can be misplaced one.

AkshayM · Post by **AkshayM** » 07 Jun 2014 04:26

Shashi tharoor's smug smile and his ridiculous brit accent needs to be given reality check with investigation in to his wife's death. It's mind boggling the guy with murder and funding scam is walking around speaking and pontificating as if he's still in power. What gives him so much confidence and bravado? He is toxic.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Jun 2014 04:42

Modi to start defence tour with INS Vikramaditya (Ind Express)

Yes!

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s first visit to a military establishment will be a grand show of national power as he is set to visit the newly-acquired INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier next weekend.

This would be the first visit of a national leader to the largest and most powerful warship of the Indian Navy that made its journey from Russia in December, and would also be the first public display of the aircraft carrier’s capabilities.

Sources said the PM has expressed a desire to visit the ship and the Navy is making arrangements for him to embark with a team over the weekend of June 14-15.

During the visit, Modi will be shown the operational capabilities of the carrier, including take-offs and landings by the MiG 29 K fighters on the ship.

While the final details are being worked out, Modi is expected to be on the warship off the western coast for a few hours. The INS Vikramaditya is the most powerful symbol of India’s military reach and is designed to undertake strike missions across the world. It undertook a non-stop journey from North Russia’s Severodvinsk to Mumbai in November-December last year.

Why only navy saar, moi wondered....

Sources said Modi is also likely to visit the eastern and northern borders in the coming weeks. It is believed the Army is already drawing up plans for his visit to the eastern border, with likely areas being discussed. Similarly, plans for a visit to the northern borders are also afoot, but it is not yet clear if the visit will include the Siachen Glacier.

Eastern border visit is likely aimed at sending signals to PRC. Siachen visit is likely to encourage the packees to wail some more. Meanwhile, what will raksha mantri do in the meantime?

Meanwhile, Defence Minister Arun Jaitley’s first visit to a defence establishment too would involve the Navy, as he is scheduled to be in Mumbai on Saturday, where he will visit India’s other operational aircraft carrier, the INS Viraat. Jaitley will also be the chief guest at the commissioning ceremony of the Indian Coast Guard ships Achook and Agrim in Mumbai.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 07 Jun 2014 06:50

GoI may sell away 30% of GoI shares it owns in Hindustan Zinc Limited. (pls google for links). HZL was 100% Govt owned. A big chunk of shares ( 51% ?) were to Sterlite in 2002 . Sterlite is now part of Vedanta, a British company. And later, Sterlite brought more HZL shares, and now owns 70% of HZL. If GoI sells its 30% shares , then HZL may become wholly owned subsidiary of Vedanta.

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Now those who are anti-100%-FDI in defence , newspapers etc , and those who are anti-Forex-debt,

What do you all propose to do about it? The question is relevant for this thread, as most pro-NaMo folks had presumed before 16-may that NaMo is anti-FDI or at least not so pro-FDI. And many here were making calls on BRF to recruit election volunteers for NaMo. But now NaMo has started with massive pro-FDI announcements, also taken $ 1 billion loan from World Bank in name of primary education. So what is your all's next steps?

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 07 Jun 2014 09:14

chaanakya wrote:NaMO on Unanimous Election of Smt Sumitra Mahajan as Speaker of the House.
महाजनो येन गतः स पन्थाः

Elates me so much to see Sanskrit frequently bouncing off in public view these days, be it oath ceremonies (1st an MLA, then some MPs) or these one liners by NaMo.
A light mode yet useful way of making space for Sanskrit and of easing out perceptive phobia's about it, if any.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Jun 2014 10:13

Rahul Mehta wrote:Those who are anti-100%-FDI in defence , newspapers etc ,

What do you all propose to do about it?

Holler for law drafts on some blog. Then jump up and down on BRF advertising it surreptitiously..... "way too explosive for this forum", so come to my FB page pleez. jeez.