Telugu States' News and Discussion

[RamaY]

^ I agree.

TG is not a lost cause. It is going thru a cusp.

All indics must help/ensure that TRS/KCR doesn't push it too far.

[Yagnasri]

^
Nagesh garu,
You might be speaking of a temple for Khusboo in Tamiz land - afaik Silk Smitha didn't get any temple.

I recall reading about a temple to Silk Smitha somewhere in AP a long time back (in the early 90s). Maybe I am mistaken.

Please do not insult Silk Smitha who was a good personally and not known to be a cheat.

Telangana hopefully is not going to be lost for Indics. Mango men of Telangana fought long and hard battles against Doras and Razakars and i do hope they are capable to fight against their neo Razakar rulers. Naxal threat is something we all need to be worried about as it is a nation level threat and may revive its support base in T areas.Similarly EJ threat is very worrisome in entire Telugu people. CBNs win created a small hope.

BJP and other indic forces need to do VHP work in AP wherein people are basically being cheated in to EJ fold and taken on MIM and Doras with Bhajrangdal work as people will be threaten by Neo Razakars.

[panduranghari]

^ I agree.

TG is not a lost cause. It is going thru a cusp.

All indics must help/ensure that TRS/KCR doesn't push it too far.

How can Indics help?

[vishvak]

All in all - aim to be the Guangdong of India focused on exporting products .

Very well said, Lilo ji. Export of minerals seem to be planned well in advance, even if Naxals won't allow Indian companies to mine. Same goes for north India region too. However there was no funding by Chinese apparently. So there could be additional factor too - oil and gas for example.

[devesh]

^ I agree.

TG is not a lost cause. It is going thru a cusp.

All indics must help/ensure that TRS/KCR doesn't push it too far.

I would actually let him push some more before overtly starting the saffron counter push. But the forces that will eventually form the opposition have already started expressing reservations internally. Right now the celebration mood is still there. Do not underestimate the genuine support that a separate Telangana has among the people.

The subtle discomfort with the Dora resurgence is there. It will transform into overt opposition in the coming few years.

[Lilo]

^ I agree.

TG is not a lost cause. It is going thru a cusp.

All indics must help/ensure that TRS/KCR doesn't push it too far.

How can Indics help?

PR garu,
Not directed at nonTelugus like you but overseas "Indics", have already helped by commissioning Krantikari songs denouncing them dutty Andhra's in the grassroots subaltern movements for T.
As a result their local drones have already krantikarily destroyed dutty statues on Tank Bund.
Now i really wonder if this Krantikariness will turn against the hitherto comrades in arms like the Razakars & EJs amidst all the sweet new parfume of "Hyderabadi Tehzeeb" spreading all over T?

I personally think Tvadis ably led by KCR and gang will still be beating the shit out of the dead Andhra horse - for years to come and proclaiming it to be KrantiKariness.I see no reason to expect any thing different.

Mean-e-while i noticed that Vatican has elevated Thumma Bala the erstwhile Bishop of Warangal as the the ArchBishop of Hyderabad in 2011 on Sonia Talli's recommendation.
Now Warangal is the home constituency of the newly elevated EJ Deputy CM Dr T Rajaiah.

[vishvak]

Now i really wonder if similar Krantikariness will now turn against the hitherto comrades in hands like the Razakars & EJs amidst all the sweet new parfume of "Hyderabadi Tehzeeb" spreading all over T?

Krantikari in foreign lands has this issue by default - and not limited to andhra at all - of selective kranti. Can't say a word against EJ/Razakars or hitherto silent pseudos will go against you suddenly.

[Rony]

Andhra University to introduce a course in ‘Avadhanam’

To support and keep ‘avadhanam’, a literary feat unique to Telugu, live and strong, Andhra University will introduce a course in ‘avadhanam’, Vice-Chancellor G.S.N. Raju announced here on Tuesday.

The university has been encouraging ‘avadhanam’ for a long time and would take up more programmes in this direction, Prof. Raju said

President of Visakha Sahiti Kolavennu Malayavasini presided. She explained Satavadhanam. Sanskrit and Telugu scholar Vedula Subrahmanya Sastry said concentration of mind was ‘avadhanam’ and it earned a mention in the Vedas also. It would help poetry to thrive, Prof. Sastry said.

[kmkraoind]

Has Telangana government got the emblem wrong?

[RamaY]

How can Indics help?

I would split this into three levels

1/ People: Indics must help the people while being assertive and confident Indics. Facilitate/formulate ways for the commons to achieve their life goals as Indics, not some slaves of a foreign cult/empire.

2/ State Govt: This seems to be the challenge. But being smart politician (?) KCR will appreciate being overt & assertive Hindu when his constituency forces him to be a Hindu or perish. Yes, he has five years of life (luckily for him village, mandal, district, corporation, state and central elections; all of them are over now). Indics can form into constituency level groups and keep constant pressure on TRS representatives to side with Hindu interests everytime, all the time.

3/ Central Govt: Luckily Indics can seek Center's help to get at least level playing field in the society. In addition to that KCR and his MIM cannot coerce Indics thru violence for Modi can come to Indic's rescue if needed.

So the solution is to be confident, assertive and overt Indics, help people while keeping pressure on state govt representatives; all in a peaceful but assertive/unapologetic manner.

[Rony]

‘Telangana leaders wrong in objecting to Polavaram project design’

Changing its design will defeat the purpose, say engineers

Telangana leaders are raising untenable objections to the mega Polavaram project on the Godavari, according to engineering experts. Polavaram is being taken up as a national project by the Union Government.

Telangana leaders are seeking a change in the dam design, but such a move is not possible and will defeat the very purpose of taking up the project, the experts say.

Two of the key figures involved in the preparation of the project report and other project-related work rebutted the objections raised by Telangana leaders against the project.

RV Rama Rao, a retired professor and principal of Andhra University Engineering College, said Polavaram is not really a new project — it was in fact proposed by the British upstream of the barrage at Dowlaiswaram on the Godavari as early as in 1942.

The plan was to build a reservoir at Polavaram with an FRL (full reservoir level) of 208 ft and a capacity of 836 tmc ft.

Height reduction

“However, after a meeting of the Chief Ministers of Madhya Pradesh, Orissa and AP in 1980, the height was reduced to 150 ft with a live capacity of 75 tmc ft and the agreements were concluded in 1980,” Rao said.

He further said it was the most important step and the agreements were made part of the Bachawat award on the sharing of Godavari waters.

“The then chief minister, Mr T Anjaiah, hailing from the Telangana region, signed the agreements and only environmental clearances had to be taken for the project. Subsequently, I was involved in the preparation of the environmental impact assessment (EIA) of the project, and all objections now being raised by the Telangana activists and leaders were taken into account.

“It was cleared by the Central Water Commission and the Ministry of Forests and Environment. Now Telangana leaders are raising the issues to stall the project,” he alleged.

S Satyanarayana, former Chief Engineer of Irrigation, who played a key role in the preparation of the project report in 1980, said: “All the technical aspects now being raised were considered then and only after considering the issue from all angles the dam height was fixed at 150 ft, to reduce the area of submergence.

“Any further reduction in the dam height will make it technically unviable, as gravitational flow to the canals will not be possible.

“Water would have to be lifted, making the project unviable.”

Hanging fire

It is unfortunate that ill-informed and politically motivated comments are being made about a project hanging fire since 1942, one which should have been completed long ago, he observed.

“The issue is being blatantly, brazenly politicised. The Telangana leaders and some of the retired engineers from the Telangana region are suggesting the construction of three or four barrages on the Godavari instead of the dam at Polavaram, but that will not serve the purpose.

“The dam will have to be built for stabilisation of the Godavari and Krishna deltas, transfer of water from the Godavari basin to Krishna basin and for provision of water to meet the industrial and agricultural needs of the Godavari districts and Visakhapatnam. Generation of 850 MW of power will be possible only if the dam is built,” he said.

Rehabilitation is key

The retired engineers also said a very good relief and rehabilitation package has been prepared for the displaced.

Telangana leaders, instead of trying to stall the project, should focus on the implementation of the package, they suggested.

The Polavaram project is absolutely essential for not only Andhra Pradesh and Telangana, but also for meeting the rice requirements of the other southern States.

[Rony]

[kmkraoind]

Is Congress planing to merge YSRCP ?

Gist: NaMo had said to some AP leaders that:
1. Cong is requesting Jagan to merge his party with Con, so that it can get LoP status.
2. KCR is becoming another Crazywal after calling bandh of Telangana after Polavaram ordinance.

Jagan is really between scissors. I think Congress has detailed account of his wrong doings. At the same time, he cannot alienate BJP. In one word, let he enjoy his bad Karma now.

[ramana]

Is Telangana a lost cause for Indics for any forseeable future thanks to Temple lady ?

I dont know what this rhona dhona all about?

The temple was built by Congress sychophants who thought Congress will come back to power.
If you note in they got two MP seats and most of the Congress stalwarts also lost in Telangana.
The two who got elected would have been elected if they stood as independents from Nlagonda and Nagarkurnool. So for all purposes AP post division has become Congress Mukth AP.

Now KCR has the support behind him to make Telangana stable.
How he does it to be seen.
He has enough numbers to do that and added MIM to ensure that.
lets see.


Old City Hyderabad has to be cleaned up of the hawala connections as it has become a huge money laundering hub.

[ShyamSP]

Is Congress planing to merge YSRCP ?

Gist: NaMo had said to some AP leaders that:
1. Cong is requesting Jagan to merge his party with Con, so that it can get LoP status.
2. KCR is becoming another Crazywal after calling bandh of Telangana after Polavaram ordinance.

Jagan is really between scissors. I think Congress has detailed account of his wrong doings. At the same time, he cannot alienate BJP. In one word, let he enjoy his bad Karma now.

Looks like Masala news from Andhra Jyothy. 8 MP and 70 MLA seats are YCP insurance against going to jail that easily.

YCP is bi-polar alternative in Seemandhra. Why would it lose that position? In fact YCP can ask Congress in reverse to merger INC into YCP. INC can forget Seemandhra which has bi-polar politics as of now and possible tri-polar (Reddy, Kamma, and Kapu parties) in the future. Other than that Seemandhra is shut case for any other entrants.

Any mistakes by TDP can be taken advantage by YCP readily for next time. TDP is already setting up itself for failure if it doesn't fight for Seemandhra rights. TDP is still stuck at balancing both T and Seemandhra where as TRS can grab anything and everything for T.

If TDP doesn't fight for Seemandhra for revenues, electricity, or reducing liabilities due to bifurcation and doesn't show any appreciable progress for new development, it is doomed next time. Loan waivers only gets votes and free burden on people but don't help state finances.

[rajsunder]

He glosses over the real problems and brings in Andhra Pradesh which after the division should not be a problem to anyone in Telangana.

The real problem is the restoration of the Nizamiyat whcih is mid-wifed by INC. Recall Nehru let Kasim Rizivi escape to Pakistan after serving his sentence and the restoration of Razakars as MIM under the Owaisis.

With 6 seats MIM becomes the Dy CM in Telangana.

Narendra Luther in his book "Hyderabad" writes how with 17% Muslim population the Nizam controlled 83% of the Hindus and ruled from 1720s till Sardar Patel launched Operation Polo and liberated the Hindus.

KCR willingly chose put them back under Nizamshahi with same demographics!

Soon he could be accidented and MIM will step in as compromise leaders of Telangana!

The next big problem is Naxalites. its now a Telangana problem and teh mix of factors that first gave rise to the Communist movement under the Nizam are even more prevalent.


is this why people of Telangana chose to be divided? Or is this a KCR compulsion or preference/

Before the division I was told by senior Telangana Reddy leadership as to how Andhras were propping up MIM and suppressing the Telangana native leadership.

^
As if on que toady Al-Chindu carried this approving book review of AG Noorani's bogus claims in his "Destruction of Hyderabad" in its National Edition.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 076767.ece

This transformation of Razakars into some sort of "victims" of a "Brutal Police Action" led by Sardar Patel is the wet dream come true of the Commie-Razakar nexus (fountain head in the septic hole called Osmania University) which underpinned the T movement.Now iam waiting for a barrage of farticles in T- vernancular editions regarding "genocide of Muslims" during Polo, just to take the people on a guilt trip ,and justify their new found Dhimmitude under a resurgent MIM. So watch this space.

Below are some quotes on this issue...

Fall of Hyderabad: 17th September a black day in human history
17 September 2011
By Kaneez Fathima,

17th September is a black day in the Human history. In the year 1948, this was the day when the Indian Union attacked and occupied the Hyderabad State through Military action which is called as ‘Police Action’ and originally it was named as “Operation Polo”. Lakhs of Muslims were killed in this military attack, women were dishonored. The cities, towns and villages were completely destroyed. Lakhs of Muslims were made homeless. Masjids and Dargahs were dismantled.

Until 17th September 1948, Hyderabad was an independent country popularly named as princely state with Nizam VII, Mir Osman Ali Khan as its ruler. Hyderabad was never under the British rule. Hyderabad was as large as the present country France. It had its own currency, railways, postal department, Judiciary, military etc. In fact, there were 544 princely states then spread all over the area which is presently known as India. Hyderabad was one among them. All these princely states were occupied and merged by the Indian Union after it got independence from the Britishers. But as Hyderabad was one of the largest princely states, the Indian government that was formed after the Britishers left, it wanted Hyderabad to merge into Indian union, because Hyderabad State was in between the North and South regions, therefore, if Indian Union wanted to rule over the Southern region then it was not possible so they wanted to occupy the Hyderabad state, so that they can include the whole North and South regions and rule over it. However, the VII Nizam did not agree to the proposal of Indian government and wanted some time to think about it as the Britishers had given him three choices, one is to merge into Indian Union, two is to remain independent and the third is to merge into newly formed Pakistan.

Let us examine ‘Liberation’ in what sense and from whom? In the year 1948, on the pretext of suppressing communist movement that was spread only in four districts of Hyderabad State, the Indian union attacked the Hyderabad state to overthrow the Nizam rule which was considered as Muslim rule. Though the police action was to occupy Hyderabad state but actually in the name of police action, Muslims were killed in large numbers. It was estimated officially by the Sundarlal Committee appointed by the government of India that One Lakh Muslims were killed by the Indian army and unofficial estimation is more than two lakh Muslims were killed. {this figure itself is taken from Noorani's farticle published back in 2001 in Frontline http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1805/18051130.htm quoted below}The Arya Samaj and other Hindu fundamentalist organizations along with Indian military were involved in the killing of Muslims. 17th September is not the liberation day but day of genocide, the implications of which can be felt even today.

The Nizam of Hyderabad State never even thought of this type of massacre, because he always considered Hindus and Muslims as his two eyes. The way the people of Hyderabad were targeted due to the Nizam of Hyderabad, Mir Osman Ali Khan’s innocence and lack of future understanding, he underwent shock due to that. All his dreams went scattered, his tongue went soar, because this richest man of the world would never have dreamt that his home would be destroyed so brutally in front of his eyes and he was unable to do anything.

The Indian Union’s aim was not just to exterminate the Nizam’s government, but also to erase the culture, language, history and literature of Hyderabad. So, the Nizam’s government was eliminated by one attack, but the culture, language, history and literature that has strong roots, could not be erased even after the military action of 17th September. But it has been continuously under attack. The recent uprising Telangana movement is born/emerged from the remaining of culture, heritage and language of Hyderabad, which is called Hyderabadi tahzeeb. Because of this we have given the slogan Hyderabad is Telangana and Telangana is Hyderabad.

It is time now to think as to who is benefiting by giving the slogans of ‘Liberation Day’ and who wants the state government to declare this day officially as liberation day. In the year 1948, as the Congress gave the reasons of suppressing the communist movement and occupied the Hyderabad state to overthrow the Nizam’s rule, in the present times, BJP is using the same strategy and supporting the Telangana movement and propagating that the Muslim rule will come back. One should also think as to why the BJP and TRS have been celebrating this particular day? These two parties are working on same ideological line and majoritarian ideology of these parties will make the people to stand against Muslims. The BJP is making communal statements and instigating common people against Muslims and bringing differences among the communities. So, the SCs, STs and BCs are thinking on the lines of BJP. On the one hand TRS praises Nizam for providing infrastructure and on the other hand it is depicting him as enemy of the people. This dual stand will benefit them both in getting more votes in forthcoming elections. More than this both the parties want to hide the real history of Hyderabad. History is not a monolithic one, it must be read in multiple ways and bring out the facts to construct the understanding.

This day has been celebrated by the BJP and Congress as liberation day. TDP celebrated it as a merger day and the TRS and left parties have celebrated it as betrayal day and the Muslim, SC, ST, and Bahujan organizations have named it as Invasion day. So, there is no clear understanding among the political parties as to what they should call the day 17th September as.

We can understand with the opinion of various political parties that they are not sincere towards the separate Telangana movement and are playing vote bank politics to increase their political employment.

We Telanganites are still under the suppression of the Seemandhras, so we haven’t got the liberation and freedom yet. Though India has got independence in the year 1947, Hyderabad was already independent. But after the merger, the Andhra occupied the Telangana region, diverted all the natural resources to their region and now they have occupied the Waqf lands and are ruling over us. Therefore, people of Telangana are still under the suppression of the Seemandhras. Therefore, in real sense we haven’t got freedom yet. Unless and until Telangana is formed as a separate state, we cannot say that we are free and liberated.

There was no Telangana movement at the time when the Indian Union attacked the Hyderabad State. There was only communist movement that too spread over a small part of the Hyderabad state, say in four districts. Therefore, 17th September cannot be considered as Liberation day as it had no connection with Telangana freedom. It is a black day in human history as lakhs of Muslims were massacred. Telangana people who know about the history of Hyderabad very clearly also know that 17th September is neither a liberation day, nor betrayal day but in fact it is a black day in human history.

(The author is attached with Muslim Forum for Telangana)
http://twocircles.net/2011sep17/fall_hy ... story.html

Even the "Eminent Historian" Darlalymepel vomited on Operation Polo in his book Age of Kali.

(pp 209-210):
I discovered later that it is in fact possible to make an informed estimate of the numbers killed in the aftermath of the 'police action'. For when reports of atrocities began to reach Delhi, Nehru 'in his private capacity', commissioned an unofficial report from a group of veteran Congressmen made up of two Hyderabadi Muslims who had prominently opposed the Nizam's rule and chaired by a Hindu, Pandit Sunderlal. The team made an extensive tour of the State and submitted their report to Nehru and Sardar Patel in January 1949. The report's findings were never made public, however, presumably because of its damning criticism of the conduct of the Indian army. It remained unpublished until a portion of it, smuggled out of India, recently appeared in America in an obscure volume of scholarly essays entitled Hyderabad: After the Fall.
The report, entitled On the Post-Operation Polo Massacres, Rape and Destruction or Seizure of Property in Hyderabad State, makes grim reading. In village after village across the state, it meticulously and unemotionally catalogued incidents of murder and mass rape, sometimes committed by troops, in other cases committed by local Hindu hooligans after the troops had disarmed the Muslim population. A short extract, chosen at random, gives the general flavour:
"Ganjoti Paygah, District Osmanabad:There are 500 homes belonging to Muslims here. Two hundred Muslims were murdered by the goondas. The army had seized weapons from the Muslims. As the Muslims became defenceless, the goondas began the massacre. Muslim women were raped by the troops. Statement of Pasha Bi, resident of Ganjoti: the trouble in Ganjoti began after the army's arrival. All the young Muslim women here were raped. Five daughters of Osman sahib were raped and six daughters of the Qazi were raped. Ismail Sahib Sawdagar's daughter was raped in Saiba Chamar's home for a week. Soldiers from Umarga came every week and after all-night rape, young Muslim women were sent back to their homes in the morning. Mahtab Tamboli's daughters were divided among Hindus, one is in Burga Julaha's home... "
And so on, for page after page. In all, the report estimates that as many as 200,000 Hyderabadi Muslims were slaughtered in the aftermath of the 'Police Action': an astonishing figure which, if true, would turn the 'police action' into a bloodbath comparable to parts of the Punjab during Partition. Even if one regards the figure of 200,000 dead as an impossible exaggeration, it is still clear that the scale of the killing was horrific. Although publicly Nehru played down the disorder in Hyderabad, claiming to the Indian representative at the United Nations that following the Nizam's officials deserting their posts there had been some disorder in which Hindus had retaliated for their sufferings under the [Muslim] Razakars [militia], privately he was much more alarmed. This is indicated by a note Nehru sent to Sardar Patel's Ministry of States on the 26th of November 1948, saying that he had received reports of killings of Muslims so large in number 'as to stagger the imagination' and looting of Muslim property 'on a tremendous scale' - all of which would seem to confirm the general tone of Pandit Sunderlal's report.

Regarding Culture of MIM -
The recent copious gas being pushed out(in farticles ) in puffing up the "graceful" high culture of "Hyderabadi Tehzeeb" and praising it as the Ganga Jamuni Tehzeeb of Deccan. {Note how in praise of "Hyderabadi Tehzeeb" native culture automatically gets placed on a lower pedestal as a crude abomination unworthy of upkeep }

Of a massacre untold -Frontline 2001 March
A revealing account surfaces of happenings in Hyderabad state in the wake of the Indian Army's 'Police Action' there in 1948.

A. G. NOORANI

"AT times one has to close his (sic) eyes in national interest." The "senior police officer" who made this confession to The Indian Express, in Srinagar on February 17, provided a truthful explanation for the compromises which sections of the medi a and academia tend to make in the "national interest".

The officer was speaking of the volte-face his chief, A.K. Suri, had performed with regard to the disclosure of the arrest by the police of a man from Military Intelligence, in plain clothes, for firing wantonly on a group of youngsters in Maisuma , in Srinagar. But, let alone matters of immediate occurrence or issues of current interest such as Kashmir and the border dispute with China, even on historical events one finds a practice of economising with truth.

That K.M. Munshi, India's Agent-General in the erstwhile state of Hyderabad, did not mention in his memoirs The End of an Era (1957) the massacre of Muslims in many areas in the wake of the Indian Army's "Police Action" in September 1948 - itself a compromise with the truth - was but to be expected in view of his outlook. Not so its omission in standard works by writers who aspired to scholarly values and who were not communal; only "patriotic" in a perverted but familiar manner. A rare exception was the book by Communist Party of India (Marxist) leader P. Sundarayya, Telengana People's Struggle and its Lessons (1972). He wrote of the "untold miseries" that were inflicted on "the ordinary Muslim people" (pages 88-89).

Suppression of records is not only unethical but futile. More often than not, the foreign scholar will unearth it from archives in London or Washington, or in India itself. A German scholar has done just that. Margrit Pernau records in her book The Pa ssing of Patrimonalism that "while the occupation by the Indian army had been quick and had caused only relatively few casualties, the following communal carnage was all the more terrible. The Razakars had sown wind and reaped not only storm but a hu rricane which in a few days cost the lives of one-tenth to one-fifth of the male Muslim population primarily in the countryside and provincial towers". (page 336, emphasis added, throughout. See review on page 75).

Professor Wilfred Cantwell Smith, a scholar on Islam and a critic of Jinnah's politics, wrote a seminal article in the periodical The Middle East Journal in 1950 (Volume 4) titled Hyderabad: A Muslim Tragedy. He was Lecturer in Islamic Hist ory at the University of the Punjab and at the Forman Christian College, Lahore (1940-1946) and visited Hyderabad in 1949. In a critique of the Nizam's policies and of Qasim Razvi, the leader of the Razakars, he also fairly described the aftermath.

"Off the battlefield, however, the Muslim community fell before a massive and brutal blow, the devastation of which left those who did survive reeling in bewildered fear. Thousands upon thousands were slaughtered; many hundreds of thousands uprooted . The instrument of their disaster was, of course, vengeance. Particularly in the Marathwara section of the state, and to a less but still terrible extent in most other areas, the story of the days after 'police action' is grim.

"The only careful report on what happened in this period was made a few months later by investigators - including a Congress Muslim and a sympathetic and admired Hindu - commissioned by the Indian Government to study the situation. The report was submitted but has not been published; presumably it makes unpleasant reading. It is widely held that the figure mentioned therein for the number of Muslims massacred is 50,000. Other estimates by responsible observers run as high as 200,000, and by some of the Muslims themselves still higher. {this figure comes down to 20,000 in his "Destruction of Hyderabad" Book}The lowest estimates, even those offered privately by apologists of the military government, came to at least ten times the number of murders with which previously the Razakars were officially accused...{ } In some areas, all the men were stood in a line, and done to death. Of the total Muslim community in Hyderabad, it would seem that somewhere between one in ten and one in five of the adult males may have lost their lives in those few days. In additio n to killing, there was widespread rape, arson, looting, and expropriation. A very large percentage of the entire Muslim population of the Districts fled in destitution to the capital or other cities; and later efforts to repatriate them met with scant s uccess." He was referring to a report by Pandit Sundarlal (1886-1980) and Kazi Muhammad Abdul Ghaffar(1889-1956).

In 1988, Omar Khalidi, a devoted chronicler of Hyderabad, published what he claimed were extracts from their Report in his compilation of essays, Hyderabad: After the Fall (Hyderabad Historical Society; Wichita, Kansas; U.S.). His introduction to the extracts, though informative, is marred by inaccuracies and intemperate language. He had relied, somewhat uncritically, on an interview with Yunus Salim who claimed inaccurately, that he was a member of the team led by Sundarlal which toured Hyderaba d in November-December 1948. A 32-year-old State attorney then, he was dismissed from the post for having helped the team.

Yunus Salim was a Deputy Minister for Railways in Indira Gandhi's government (1969) and a Governor of Bihar in 1991. Garbled versions of the Report appeared in Pakistan. Khalidi writes: "In addition to the copy in the Union Home Ministry, Srinivas Lahoti , a Communist Party of India leader in Hyderabad, owned a copy. In an interview in February 1988 he claims to have deposited it with the National Archives of India, New Delhi upon his party's instruction. The present writer obtained fragments of t he Report (which is partly in English and partly in Urdu) from owners who wish to remain anonymous. The portion in English is being reproduced without any alteration. The Urdu portion is translated into English."

Khalidi was misled. The entire document is in English and the "fragments" he reproduces should have put him on notice that it is not safe to rely on them. The brief Introductory portion is intrinsically unreliable. The rest is a village-wise and d istrict-wise account.

Union Home Minister Vallabhbhai Patel reacted angrily to the Report in a letter to Abdul Ghaffar dated January 4, 1949:

"I notice that in your report you mentioned that you were asked by the Government of India to proceed to Hyderabad State on a goodwill mission. At least I am not aware of any such mission having been entrusted to you by the Government of India. As far as I know, you wanted to go there and it was arranged that you should go there at Government expense. There could have been no question of Government of India sending any goodwill mission to Hyderabad State.

"I notice that your report is and your activities were, restricted to making inquiries about what happened during and after the police action. There is nothing in it about the extent and consequences of Razakar atrocities. Probably that was out of the terms of reference which you had set for yourselves. At the same time, you have covered in your reports matters which could by no stretch of imagination, have formed the purview of your enquiry. I should also like to say at once that the detailed in quiries which have been made by the local administration over a fairly long period as opposed to the roving enquiries which you have made during such a short period show that your estimate and your appreciation of the position lack balance and proportion . Finally you have rushed into a sphere which might have been more appropriately left to be covered by experienced statesmanship and administrative ability."

The assertions were simply untrue and the aspersions were unworthy of Sardar Patel. In those days nobody could have toured the State without official approval. That the team went there admittedly "at government expense" revealed a lot. And, as we know "e xperienced statesmanship and administrative ability" do not guarantee impartiality in inquiries. The report censured the Razakars and was balanced.

Kazi Abdul Ghaffar was a bitter critic of Razvi's Majlis-e Ittihadul-Muslimin and was trusted by the State Congress. He was editor of Firangi Mahal's Khilafatist paper Akhuwat (1919-20) and of Payam (1934-46) and was respected as a scholar- journalist. He visited Hyderabad in October along with Padmaja Naidu and alerted Maulana Abul Kalam Azad to the happenings there. Pandit Sundarlal was vice-president of the United Provinces Congress (1931-36) and as president of the All-India Peace Counc il (1959-63), urged rapprochement with China against the majority view of the times.

His magnum opus, The Gita and The Quran, is a neglected work. An English translation was published in 1957 by the Institute of Indo-Middle East Cultural Studies, Hyderabad. Neglected also is Volume 8 (second series) of Selected Works of Jawahar lal Nehru (1990) (pages 102-113).

In a Note to Sardar Patel's Ministry of States, dated November 14, 1948, Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, while denying Pakistan's propaganda, wrote: "I have recently had talks with Kazi Abdul Ghaffar and Miss Padmaja Naidu, who have just returned from H yderabad. They are both reliable observers... The impression I have gathered from these talks is that while our army is generally believed to have functioned well and to have protected the people, there is little doubt that a very large number of outbreaks took place in the small towns and villages resulting in the massacre of possibly some thousands of Muslims by Hindus, as well as a great deal of looting, etc... This information is contrary to what I had believed and I should like it to be verified through our military and civil authorities in Hyderabad. We must know the truth, or else we shall be caught saying things which are proved to be false later." It is unlikely that those reports did not reach the ears of the Minister concerned, Vallabhbhai Patel.

Even men like Dr. Zakir Hussain's brother, the academic Dr. Yusuf Husain Khan, and Dr. M. A. Ansari's nephew, M.A. Ansari, a High Court Judge, were "removed from their post", Nehru complained. He added: "One of the persistent charges made is that we inte nd to kill what is called Muslim culture. Hyderabad is known all over the Middle East as a city of Muslim culture. The Osmania University is well known and even better known is the publication department and the translation bureau of the State."

With a letter to V.P. Menon, the secretary of the Ministry, dated November 26, 1946, Nehru enclosed a note on the situation in Hyderabad and remarked: "If possible, some good non-officials should go there to help the administration and to try to produce a better frame of mind both among the Muslims and the Hindus."

The editor to the volume recorded: "A four-man goodwill mission, consisting of Kazi Abdul Ghaffar, Pandit Sundarlal, Moulana Abdulla Misri and Furrukh Sayer Shakeri, was sent to Hyderabad at the personal instance of Nehru to study existing conditions and to help in the establishments of communal harmony. After a brief visit to Bidar and Osmanabad districts by Major-General Chaudhury, Pandit Sundarlal, Akbar Ali Khan and Fareed Mirza, two teams, one consisting of Pandit Sundarlal, Kazi Abdul Ghaffar, Mul la Abdul Basith and Mohammed Yunus Saleem had toured Bidar, Osmanabad and Nanded while the other consisting of Moulana Abdulla Misri, Furrukh Sayer and Fareed Mirza visited Aurangabad, Bhir and Gulbarga. They took stock of the information collected and s ent a report to Vallabhbhai Patel."

All of which shows Sardar Patel's repudiation of the officially sponsored team to be less than honest. Nehru's note cited "additional reports from Hyderabad" about the killing and looting. It said: "If there is even a fraction of truth in these reports, then the situation in Hyderabad was much worse than we had been led to believe. It is important that the exact facts should be placed before us. We want no optimistic account and no suppression of unsavoury episodes. That would lead us to form incorrect judgments... A sense of fear seems to pervade the Muslims of Hyderabad. That is perhaps natural after all that has happened. But unless we can lessen this fear, the situation will become worse."

Dr. Charan Sandhilya, Director of Pandit Sundarlal Institute of Asian Studies at Ghaziabad obtained for this writer a copy of the full text of the Sundarlal Report from the Nehru Memorial Museum and Library, New Delhi (excerpts on facing page). It record s official sponsorship and reflects their objectivity in denouncing the Razakars' murderous attacks on Hindus, in praising officials where praise was due, yet never flinching from telling the terrible truth about the massacre of Muslims. This is a truth which hardly any Indian scholar has deigned to admit this day.

The Sundarlal Report is of more than historical importance; it is of current relevance, for the massacres, coupled with the national indifference to them, have left scars in the minds of Muslims in the State, Hyderabad city in particular. And some Muslim communal parties have not been slow to exploit these scars.

http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1805/18051130.htm

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In Noorani’s telling, Nehru was contemptuous of the Nizam’s government but bore no malice towards him. He also held Hyderabad’s culture in high regard. In contrast, “Patel hated the Nizam personally and was ideologically opposed to Hyderabad’s composite culture. Nehru’s concern was to … [defeat] Hyderabad’s secessionist venture. Patel wanted to go further. He wanted to destroy Hyderabad and its culture completely. In Hyderabad, as in Kashmir, Nehru was an ardent Indian nationalist. On both states, Vallabhbhai Patel was a strident Hindu nationalist”, he writes. When Patel repeatedly described Hyderabad as an “ulcer in the heart of India”, the metaphor, says Noorani, revealed a vindictive mindset .

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... hyderabad/

do we have any book or research on the true number of Hindus killed by razakars??

[Dasari]

The main thing that CBN scares me is his passion to create a city that rivals Hyderabad. There are many underlying forces behind this, and i'm afraid these are the same forces that caused the first bifurcation of united AP. Setting aside the worries of crony capitalism, it is simply not feasible right now to get into this adventure. If he pursues this path, it very likely he will give power to Jagan on a platter in the next elections.

In the meantime, a top industrialist claims that coastal andhra can become the agri capital of the country. I hope CBN sets his priorities right.

Seemandhra could become major agricultural belt: Top industry official

Chennai: With the formation of Telangana and Seemandhra, the entire eastern belt in that region could become a "major agricultural belt" due to the presence of rich climatic and soil conditions, a top industry official said on Thursday.

"There is a great opportunity in Seemandhra. I think they have five climatic zones. I think it is going to be a big agricultural belt. With the focus of the new government more on agricultural side -- rice, chillies, cotton, pulses and gram will be big crops," Murugappa Group Executive Chairman A Vellayan told reporters.

Besides, he said Seemandhra has the right climatic and soil conditions. "If you have proper irrigation and set up, it could become a major agri-state. Only thing missing is the availability of power," he said.

"I think with the new (Seemandhra) government having partnership with the BJP government at the Centre they would benefit from the Centre," he said.

On whether Murugappa Group would tap that opportunity in Seemandhra, he said: "We are having a small team to see what best we can do. We have presence right from Srikakulam on one side to Kakinada and Vishakapatnam on the other side."

Later responding to a query on whether the company would look at entering China, Vellayan sought to know in a lighter vein whether he would make a tourist visit to China instead of tapping business operations.

"I am sure that China has a major play in various things. One (industrialist) cannot ignore China. Even we do not make money in China, but we have to be in China to understand the market dynamics," he said.

However, he clarified that the company would maintain its presence in China, but not make "large investments".

"I think we are just opening a small set up for fertiliser and pesticide. Largely, raw material import related in Shanghai. That we have been already doing. But our presence will largely be in trading, sourcing," he said.

Telangana Rashtra Samithi chief K Chandrasekhar Rao on June 2 took over as the first Chief Minister of Telangana, which was formed as the 29th state of the Union, ending decades of turbulent struggle for the region in Andhra Pradesh.

[ramana]

The Polavaram project is to actualize this dream. One of the retd engineers said it would make Andhra Pradesh the granary of South India for rice.

[ShyamSP]

The main thing that CBN scares me is his passion to create a city that rivals Hyderabad. There are many underlying forces behind this, and i'm afraid these are the same forces that caused the first bifurcation of united AP. Setting aside the worries of crony capitalism, it is simply not feasible right now to get into this adventure. If he pursues this path, it very likely he will give power to Jagan on a platter in the next elections.

In the meantime, a top industrialist claims that coastal andhra can become the agri capital of the country. I hope CBN sets his priorities right.

There is need to create capital city and there is need to create industrial city. If you followed other TDP leaders such as Chandu Sambasiva Rao (potential top minister/Dy CM someday), the capital city is NO big deal. It is city to act as enabler for modernization of industrial and agro sectors that is the target to be built.

There are huge plans to improve Viizag-Kakinada, Vijawada-Guntur-Elure, Ongole-Nellore, Tirupati, Anathapur, and Kurnool corridors for industrialization.

There are huge expectations so proper executive like CBN is what is needed for Seemandhra.

[Yagnasri]

Polavaram takes over a decade to build. Further needs huge money which no one has at this point. As for as agri goes, who gives a damn??? There are lakhs of BE/BT fellows who are asking for software job and they just lost Hyderabad. Entire PSUs lost, all major hospitals, universities, Nagarjuna Sagar, entire software and film industry.

Now with that background will anyone listen to CBN if the capital he is going to create is not better than any other major city in India??? This is now the question of self respect of AP. Tvadis insulted AP fellows for decades that their Hyderabad is the 5th biggest city in India and Andra capital was in tents in Kurnool, Andras were kicked out from Madras and so on. So building a capital surpassing anything else in India is a must for AP and CBN. From what I see, CBN will simply unite Tenali, Guntur, Vijayawada, Mangalagiri and create a huge city which will rival any other major city in India.

Not just this. You can expect at least two to three major cities with all the facilities in AP if CBN gets two terms.

Polavaram takes over a decade to build. Further needs huge money which no one has at this point. As for as agri goes, who gives a damn??? There are lakhs of BE/BT fellows who are asking for software job and they just lost Hyderabad. Entire PSUs lost, all major hospitals, universities, Nagarjuna Sagar, entire software and film industry.

Now with that background will anyone listen to CBN if the capital he is going to create is not better than any other major city in India??? This is now the question of self respect of AP. Tvadis insulted AP fellows for decades that their Hyderabad is the 5th biggest city in India and Andra capital was in tents in Kurnool, Andras were kicked out from Madras and so on. So building a capital surpassing anything else in India is a must for AP and CBN. From what I see, CBN will simply unite Tenali, Guntur, Vijayawada, Mangalagiri and create a huge city which will rival any other major city in India.

Not just this. You can expect at least two to three major cities with all the facilities in AP if CBN gets two terms.

We may say it is stupid thing to do. AP people may give a damn.

[saip]

Why is everyone using Seemandhra term? I thought after June 2, it is Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.

[Muppalla]

There is need to create capital city and there is need to create industrial city. If you followed other TDP leaders such as Chandu Sambasiva Rao (potential top minister/Dy CM someday), the capital city is NO big deal. It is city to act as enabler for modernization of industrial and agro sectors that is the target to be built.

There are huge plans to improve Viizag-Kakinada, Vijawada-Guntur-Elure, Ongole-Nellore, Tirupati, Anathapur, and Kurnool corridors for industrialization.

There are huge expectations so proper executive like CBN is what is needed for Seemandhra.

He is my friend and I reported to him for three years when in the past.

on the topic, that state will have two big cities and one of them will reach the size of HYD in less that a decade and that is imminent.

(1) Vizag-Bhimili-Ankapally as one industrial metropolis with an international airport and an outer ring road.
(2) Whether we like it or not due to geographical centrality and also available money, Eluru, Vijayawada, Guntur, Tenali will be like Capital city and suburbs. [one bad thing here is some fertile land will be lost in the process]. Expect Outer ring roads and another International airport
(3) Kakinada is being already constructed as Petro corridor
(4) The biggest pull will be if there is a port between Bapatla and Nellore.

All these revenue deficiencies, rhona-dhona is all bs. The population/administration and investors are really looking forward for investments and not Government spending.

[vishvak]

We may say it is stupid thing to do. AP people may give a damn.

So when Polavam damn is built, it will be double bonus. Something like saying is "sone me sugandh"!

Just curious about petro corridor though. Black gold has a bit of power and wealth as byproducts.

[Yagnasri]

Why is everyone using Seemandhra term? I thought after June 2, it is Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.

There is no single region called Seemandra. Seemandra, settlers, Andravollu, etc are all insulting words used against AP people by Tvadis. BJP, Naxals Congress and even TDP leaders of Telangana. National media and other stupid fellows are using the same words.

During old days all the three regions of united AP used to be called as Nizam (Telangana), Sarkar( Coastal) and Seeded ( Rayalaseema).Now AP has two regions - Rayalaseema and Costal Districts normally called as Kostha. Nizam Districts have become Telangana.

[Muppalla]

Just curious about petro corridor though. Black gold has a bit of power and wealth as byproducts.

Good presentation. It has all the details.
http://www.incap.co.in/images/presentat ... -apiic.pdf

[ramana]

Northern Circars and Ceded (by Nizam to British)

not Sarkar and Seeded!!!!

[Yagnasri]

I used the word as written in Movies and other places sir. I do not remember any Northern word there.

Nirmala Sitaraman will be elected from AP to Rajya Sabha as per reports. So AP will have Venkayya, Gajapathi Raju and NS in the Ministry. Civil Aviation, Urban Development, trade and industry.

Soon KCR will be calling NDA as a Andrulla party.

Now KTR is saying IT will be developed in Hyderabad City. Not with 5-10 year service tax holiday given to AP. Most of the IT people will try to jump there. Vishakapatnam and Vijayawada will be destinations for IT firms in the years to come. CBN may prove to be very good bet for AP if he could facilitate it.

[ShyamSP]

Northern Circars and Ceded (by Nizam to British)

not Sarkar and Seeded!!!!

Circar is same as Sarkar (ruled region or province) but anglicized. Ceded is Ceded (areas ceded by Nizam). In essence Telugu regions from Nizam and British times were:

- Telangana (Telugu speaking Nizam areas including Raichur)
- Northern Circars (Greater region* of Guntur to Ganjam in Orissa)
- Ceded (Kadapa, Kurnool, Ananthapur, Bellary, western part of Chittoor)
- Nellore Region (Southern part of Ongole, Nellore, Eastern part of Chittoor)

* Palnadu, Guntur, Ongole areas.

[ShyamSP]

I used the word as written in Movies and other places sir. I do not remember any Northern word there.

Nirmala Sitaraman will be elected from AP to Rajya Sabha as per reports. So AP will have Venkayya, Gajapathi Raju and NS in the Ministry. Civil Aviation, Urban Development, trade and industry.

Soon KCR will be calling NDA as a Andrulla party.

Now KTR is saying IT will be developed in Hyderabad City. Not with 5-10 year service tax holiday given to AP. Most of the IT people will try to jump there. Vishakapatnam and Vijayawada will be destinations for IT firms in the years to come. CBN may prove to be very good bet for AP if he could facilitate it.

So Parakala Prabhakar, husband of Nirmala Sitaraman, has been hit-job of BJP since PRP days.

[Hari Seldon]

Jagan's Hopes Crash, Bringing Him to the Ground (Sunday standard)

The immediate priority for Jagan is to keep the CBI at bay. Opposition leaders described Jagan’s visit to Delhi and offering issue based support to Narendra Modi as betrayal of his yellow streak since he is not out of woods yet as far as the cases against him are concerned. TDP senior leader Yanamala Ramakrishnudu asked, “Why did he go to Delhi if it is not for getting cases against him watered down and for protecting his properties already attached by the Enforcement Directorate?”

Though Chandrababu Naidu and his partymen are saying that they have no interest in Jagan and that the law should take its own course in regard to cases against him, the insiders in TDP say that Naidu may not leave him that easy. After the election results Naidu said; “Even if I leave him, Modi would not,” implying that Jagan should prepare himself to face prosecution and possibly another jail term.

The election results came in such a form that they were not useful to Jagan either in the truncated Andhra Pradesh or help him buy protection for himself at Delhi. Modi does not need support from anyone, and definitely not from Jagan. The only option left for him is to move closer to the Congress so that he could be seen on the side of a national party. The Congress might try and fight for his protection if he plays his cards well, said one party insider.

But there is a danger in this. If he moves any closer to the Congress to save his skin, the party MPs and MLAs may part his company and join the TDP. They would have an excuse to leave the party—why should they stay with Jagan if he decides to return to the Congress that had hardly any standing in the state. It is an unenviable situation—if he stays single, he is in trouble and if he joins the Congress again he is in trouble.

[Rony]

Got it in a email from a friend who is clearly upset

ఆంధ్రోళ్లు దోచేసుకున్నారు.. ఆంధ్రోళ్లు కబ్జాలు చేశారు.. ఆంధ్రోళ్లు అవమానించారు... ఇలా అనేక రకాలుగా ‘ఆంధ్రోళ్లు’ అనే పదం వినపడితేనే.. తెలంగాణ వ్యాప్తంగా ప్రజల్లో ఒక ద్వేషభావం ప్రబలేలా చేయడంలో తెలంగాణ రాష్ట్ర సమితి ఒక రకంగా కృతకృత్యమైంది. ఇలాంటి మాటలు కొన్ని వందల వేలసార్లు చెప్పి, ఉద్యమాన్ని ఉధృతస్థాయికి తీసుకువెళ్లి మొత్తానికి తెలంగాణ రాష్ట్రాన్ని సాధించుకున్నారు. ఇప్పుడు పరిపాలన కూడా తెరాస చేతికే వచ్చింది. కానీ ఇంకా ఆంధ్రోళ్లు అంటూ పాచిపాట పాడుతోంటే.. ప్రజలకు చిరాకు కలుగుతోంది. Andhras looted us, Andhras occupied (our land), Andhras humiliated us... repeating these words again and again hundreds and thousands of times, TRS was succesfull in inculcating hatred among T-people, intensified (Seperate Telangana) movement and ultimately got Telangana. Now, even administration is in TRS hands. Yet, its still singing the same old Andhra this, Andhra that song.People are getting frustrated (by this stand).

హైదరాబాద్ మది.....హైదరాబాద్ మది అన్నారు ....13 ఏళ్ళ పీకుడు ఉద్యమంలో ఏ ఒక్క రోజయినా, పాత బస్తీ లో ఏ ఒక్క షాప్ ని అయినా మూయించే దమ్ము లేకుండా హైదరాబాద్ మీదెలా అవుతుంది . ఏ ఒక్క తెలంగాణ బంద్ అయినా కోటి దాటి చార్మినార్ ని తాకగలిగిందా??? అంతెందుకు, ఏ రోజయినా కెసిఆర్ నిజాం గ్రౌండ్స్ దాటి రాగలిగాడా ??? ఏ రోజయినా కెసిఆర్, హరీష్ రావ్, కేటీఆర్ వీళ్ళలో ఎవడయినా MIM పార్టీని విమర్శించగలిగాడా???
హైదరాబాద్ లో ఏమీ పీకలేక, మెత్తగా ఉన్న పక్కవాడి మీద పడి ఏడుస్తూ బతకాల్సిందే !!!!అన్నం పెట్టిన చేతికి సున్నం రాసే మీ బతుకులకి నాశనమయ్యే కాలం వచ్చేసింది. !!!! ఆంధ్రోళ్ల మీద నిందలు గుప్పిస్తూ పబ్బం గడుపుకోవడం అనే తంతు కలకాలం సాగదు !!!! They ( T-vadis) said Hyderabad is ours, Hyderabad is ours. In 13 years of the (seperate telangana) movement, did they have the guts to close at least one shop in Hyderabad old city ? Did any Telangana bandh crossed Koti and touched Charminar ? Then how can they say Hyd belongs to them ? Did KCR any day was able to walk past Nizam grounds (into Old city) ? Did any day KCR, Harish Rao, KTR , any one of them criticized MIM ? Your life is such that you don't have the guts to do anything in Hyderabad (to MIM who are the real goons) and hence blame your softer neighbor (Andhra settlers). This attitude of blaming Andhras for everything and then using it survive (politically) won't last long.

[Muppalla]

Watching TV9. It is a massive program as the oath taking ceremony of CBN is going to take place in another hour or so. One thing I hate is all the BJP/NDA MPs, CMs, Cabinet Ministers who are attending this program are all in one special flight. Yahoos just need to take out that flight to change India to worse.

[Rony]

CBN first signatures as CM

Signature 1: Loan Waiver for Agricultural, DWACRA (development of women and children in rural areas) and Textile workers
Signature 2: Rs 1000 per month Pension for Oldpeople/Senior citizens, Widows and Physically handicapped
Signature 3: NTR Sujala Sravanthi Scheme - Providing drinking water to all Villages
Signature 4: Removal of Belt shops
Signature 5: Increasing govt employees retirement age to 60.

Overall it looks like a Welfaristic than developmental agenda. But NTR Sujala Sravanthi Scheme will be the single biggest direct impact social welfare implementation programme and a much needed one.

Two BJP MLAs got cabinet berths - Kameneni Srinivasa Rao and Manikyala Rao. Good move by CBN to keep the alliance intact.

[Muppalla]

CBN pulled every one of India's non-congress/UPA to the pattabhishekam. The AP state is brimming with "to do" spirit (kasi) and I am pretty confident they will develop the state using all pulls and clouts towards just one goal of development.

The only thing we need to use our lobbying power is to get the anti-conversion stuff quietly pulled as well to restore the real "Andhra" glory. Development, GDP, wealth and infra manufacturing are something that will occur no matter what in the new state.

[gandharva]

[abhik]

What does that even mean?

[Hari Seldon]

^Where will the additional power required to fulfill 24x7 demand come from is my basic pooch... only. Any super-thermal units, ultra-mega power plants types, lying idle that can suddenly produce the delta required? CIL can be made to perform within the year to get enough coal to meet demand, if all goes well...

[KLNMurthy]

Very pleased to hear that president has signed and passed the ordinance on Polavaram. At last something to cheer about for people of AP after the dreadful one sided division. I hope Modi Govt implement the project also with the same sincerity and expeditiousness.

I also hope that CBN is not carried away by the boastful statements of building a capital city that beats Hyderabad or Delhi. It is pure waste of money, considering how inefficient such investments would be in terms of generating employment and revenue. It may be helpful in making a statement to KCR but beyond that it is utter useless. Let each city grow based on its natural potential. This approach will be far more productive and less costly, considering the state has huge deficit and debt.

I hope Modi govt doesn't encourage such lavish spending, and instead teach some pragmatism to the new state govt.

+1 on not going for a prideful grand capital; we need more balanced development on the spectrum from rural to urban.

[gandharva]

[gandharva]

^Where will the additional power required to fulfill 24x7 demand come from is my basic pooch... only. Any super-thermal units, ultra-mega power plants types, lying idle that can suddenly produce the delta required? CIL can be made to perform within the year to get enough coal to meet demand, if all goes well...

Separating domestic feeder from farming feeder(Heart of Jyotirgram implemented in Gujarat) lowers down peak power demand, which is major cause of power cuts.In general, i agree that every state needs to increase electricity generation.