pandyan wrote:that explains some of the posts in rafale thread. non-rafale aircrafts has been chosen/recommended by other circles beyond the IAF/MOD/Govt
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pandyan wrote:that explains some of the posts in rafale thread. non-rafale aircrafts has been chosen/recommended by other circles beyond the IAF/MOD/Govt
Can you share more details on this Rohit?rohitvats wrote:BTW - the Mumbai-Pune Expressway is a financial flop big time which will not recover its money. And IIRC, it was financed as part of some loan package (for it and Bandra-Worli Sea Link).
Yes WTF is right word. Instead of closing entrepreneurial ventures like this we should give them an order of 1 billion AK-47's. All desi made and at fraction of import costs (F*ck off to the import lobby).Pratyush wrote:Reading the below provided link. I went WTF, we need to import any fire arm for military use. Why not just let them produce fire arms through the legal route. The innovations, that they will come up, will I am sure beat any foreign vendor.
‘Made in Munger’ AK-47 worries cops with quality like original
It's laughable to say that Mumbai-Pune Expressway is a flop, i lived in pune for 2 and half year and knew very well that this road was one of lifeline roads for pune.rohitvats wrote:BTW - the Mumbai-Pune Expressway is a financial flop big time which will not recover its money. And IIRC, it was financed as part of some loan package (for it and Bandra-Worli Sea Link).
wonderful.Rahul M wrote:^^^
"The officer in question is Lt-Gen Dalbir Singh Suhag, who could not even pass the Staff College in spite of three attempts."
http://www.theweekendleader.com/Opinion ... e-gun.html
so septimus, R&AW, NSA etc are not part of govt ?
Sensationalist stuff. Did they fire it for a 100,000 rounds to state it has a "quality like the original"? Its a danger for sure, and might be deadly for the first few mags, but after that, user beware.Pratyush wrote:Reading the below provided link. I went WTF, we need to import any fire arm for military use. Why not just let them produce fire arms through the legal route. The innovations, that they will come up, will I am sure beat any foreign vendor.
‘Made in Munger’ AK-47 worries cops with quality like original
That is besides the point. What Rohit is saying is that the investment was not recovered through tolls and such. The expressway is indeed a very crucial route, but not all public infrastructure projects are able to recover the initial investment. In fact, very few do.akshat.kashyap wrote:It's laughable to say that Mumbai-Pune Expressway is a flop, i lived in pune for 2 and half year and knew very well that this road was one of lifeline roads for pune.rohitvats wrote:BTW - the Mumbai-Pune Expressway is a financial flop big time which will not recover its money. And IIRC, it was financed as part of some loan package (for it and Bandra-Worli Sea Link).
The AK 47 was designed for ease of production and uses pressed steel components mostly. Any reasonably equipped small workshop should be able to make it.Karan M wrote:Sensationalist stuff. Did they fire it for a 100,000 rounds to state it has a "quality like the original"? Its a danger for sure, and might be deadly for the first few mags, but after that, user beware.Pratyush wrote:Reading the below provided link. I went WTF, we need to import any fire arm for military use. Why not just let them produce fire arms through the legal route. The innovations, that they will come up, will I am sure beat any foreign vendor.
‘Made in Munger’ AK-47 worries cops with quality like original
So, which army chief promoted him to Lt Gen and appointed him a Corp Commander? Its high time that the infighting in the top echelons of the army ceased. If the senior commanders don't show each other respect, their juniors will also stop respecting them.Rahul M wrote:^^^
"The officer in question is Lt-Gen Dalbir Singh Suhag, who could not even pass the Staff College in spite of three attempts."
http://www.theweekendleader.com/Opinion ... e-gun.html
Think before you decide to attack your keyboard.akshat.kashyap wrote:It's laughable to say that Mumbai-Pune Expressway is a flop, i lived in pune for 2 and half year and knew very well that this road was one of lifeline roads for pune.rohitvats wrote:BTW - the Mumbai-Pune Expressway is a financial flop big time which will not recover its money. And IIRC, it was financed as part of some loan package (for it and Bandra-Worli Sea Link).
There is a detailed study on the topic by a professor from NICMAR - this was done in 2002-2003 I think. The project has faced serious issues with increase in toll charges - IIRC, it continues to be a hot-potato.pushkar.bhat wrote:Can you share more details on this Rohit?rohitvats wrote:BTW - the Mumbai-Pune Expressway is a financial flop big time which will not recover its money. And IIRC, it was financed as part of some loan package (for it and Bandra-Worli Sea Link).
This is going way OT for this thread - Your argument holds if the project is planned from word GO with such an understanding. For example, many projects have concept of Viable Gap Funding (VGF) - where the private party under PPP gives a figure for support they want from government because the project is otherwise unviable. And the party quoting lowest VGF gets the project.pandyan wrote:It is the total economic output that matters. toll based revenue is more like for managing and maintaining the roads and not necessarily to recoup the construction costs. that cost is covered by various taxes that people and businesses pay for infrastructure services.
Union Defence Minister Arun Jaitley has sought an explanation from senior officials in his ministry on how passages imputing motives to former Army Chief – and now MoS for the north east, external affairs and overseas affairs – V K Singh were part of an affidavit filed in the Supreme Court on June 4, shortly after the BJP-led NDA government assumed office.
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While senior BJP sources said that since General Suhag was already Army Chief-designate when the Modi government took over, it did not wish to undermine his position as that would demoralise the army, it now appears that when the affidavit was filed in response to an appeal filed in the Supreme Court by Lt. General Ravi Dastane against an order passed by the Armed Forces Tribunal on September 6, 2013, clearing General Suhag of the charges made by General V K Singh, the defence ministry had not just gone with the line of the previous UPA government, but used very harsh language against him.
The affidavit accuses General V K Singh of taking an “illegal, premeditated” course to stall the promotion of Chief-designate Lt. General Dalbir Singh Suhag, as Army Commander of Eastern Command in 2012 ( something that would put him in line for Army Chief) by citing “certain lapses in the chain of command” concerning an intelligence operation in Dimapur.
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Jaitley seeks explanation on affidavit, Congress asks for Gen Singh's resignation
Union Defence Minister Arun Jaitley has sought an explanation from senior officials in his ministry on how passages imputing motives to former Army Chief – and now MoS for the north east, external affairs and overseas affairs – V K Singh were part of an affidavit filed in the Supreme Court on June 4, shortly after the BJP-led NDA government assumed office.
The Congress, meanwhile, seized on the embarrassing contents of the affidavit and demanded General V K Singh’s resignation from the union council of ministers, saying the NDA government's affidavit on the issue of Lt Gen Dalbir Singh Suhag's promotion to the post of Army Chief was an expression of "no confidence" in him.
``The minister cannot remain in the council of ministers,” Congress spokesperson Abhishek Singhvi told journalists, adding, “It's a matter of detail whether he is removed or he resigns.”
Indeed, the fact that the affidavit filed by the defence ministry has indicted General Singh for violating the principles of natural justice and resorting to “unjust” means to clamp a disciplinary and vigilance ban on General Suhag has come as a major embarrassment for the Modi government.
While senior BJP sources said that since General Suhag was already Army Chief-designate when the Modi government took over, it did not wish to undermine his position as that would demoralise the army, it now appears that when the affidavit was filed in response to an appeal filed in the Supreme Court by Lt. General Ravi Dastane against an order passed by the Armed Forces Tribunal on September 6, 2013, clearing General Suhag of the charges made by General V K Singh, the defence ministry had not just gone with the line of the previous UPA government, but used very harsh language against him.
The affidavit accuses General V K Singh of taking an “illegal, premeditated” course to stall the promotion of Chief-designate Lt. General Dalbir Singh Suhag, as Army Commander of Eastern Command in 2012 ( something that would put him in line for Army Chief) by citing “certain lapses in the chain of command” concerning an intelligence operation in Dimapur.
The affidavit also says that General V K Singh had directed administrative action against General Suhag even though a Court of Inquiry proceedings found no “lapse or blame” on the latter's part. The affidavit repeatedly said that General Suhag was on annual leave and not in Dimapur at the time of the incident.
The ministry highlights the fact that General Suhag was given only seven days' time to show cause against the ban imposed on May 19, 2012, shortly after the Defence Minister independently approved General Suhag's name as Army Commander and forwarded the proposal to the Appointments Committee of the Cabinet.
It was finally left to General Bikram Singh, the current army Chief, to lift the ban in June 2012, merely a week after he took over from General V.K. Singh.
Closing the inquiry on June 7, 2012, the affidavit revealed how the ban and issue of show cause notice was “without merit, illegal, pre-meditated and against the principles of natural justice, and hence closed after consideration of case by the new COAS (Chief of Army Staff), who succeeded Gen. V.K. Singh”.
When General V.K. Singh’s spokesperson was contacted, he said that that as a MoS he is “out of the picture” as far as defence matters are concerned and would prefer to talk about issues concerning only his ministry portfolios.
This development is part of an appeal filed by Lt. General Ravi Dastane against an order passed by the Armed Forces Tribunal on September 6, 2013, dismissing his claims that the Army Chief had shown “undue hurry” to close the case against General Suhag due to favouritism.
The appeal is scheduled for hearing in September later this year before the Supreme Court, posing the problem whether it would become infructuous once General Suhag takes over as Army Chief on July 31.
1-probable, might have much to do with arms lobby, kickback s and such as wellYogi_G wrote:Something is seriously amiss here, following possibilities come to mind,
1. Powerful MoD Babu clique still loyal to old govt taking advantage of overloading of AJ and causing this embarrassment.
2. Planned activity by AJ and other BJP ministers as revenge for giving a newcomer BJP member a MoS berth. Could even be that AJ was left in dark and was not involved.
3. Gen VK Singh would have gotten into tiff with the new govt and govt as a whole putting him in his place.
Was it in the south indian edition? Because that is "New Indian Express" which is under different editor and managementSridhar K wrote:FWIW, The new Indian express print edition today mentions that the affidavit was filed by the MoD after Modi was elected but before BJP assumed office.
Yes. It is the Chennai edition. Prabhu Chawla is the editor.putnanja wrote:Was it in the south indian edition? Because that is "New Indian Express" which is under different editor and managementSridhar K wrote:FWIW, The new Indian express print edition today mentions that the affidavit was filed by the MoD after Modi was elected but before BJP assumed office.
Prabhu Chawla is slightly pro-Bjp. That is not dupatta's ragSridhar K wrote:Yes. It is the Chennai edition. Prabhu Chawla is the editor.putnanja wrote:
Was it in the south indian edition? Because that is "New Indian Express" which is under different editor and management