Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 11 Jun 2014 05:39

NaMo may be pushing for FDI in defence and newspapers because MNC-owners are blackmailing NaMo, that if FDI in defence doesnt come, then they will not lend further , wont invest in other areas and also may pull out FDI from others areas.

Economy is in bad shape. NaMo doesnt have strength to implement OSF means to decrease inefficiencies as other BJP MPs and Indian elitemen are opposed to those OSF means. So only option left to NaMo is more foreign debt and more FDI. So foreigners are leveraging and demanding foothold in key areas like newspapers and defence.

disha · Post by **disha** » 11 Jun 2014 05:48

Regarding the FDI in Defense, there is already a separate thread.

Regarding FDI in media, hey - I can start a wholly owned radio station in India!! Maybe talk about yoga all day and tie up with Baba Ramdev to do guest appearances and sell Ayurvedic products and make my moolaaaah.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Jun 2014 05:55

loh purush is not in a position to give any assurances anymore. last I heard his nameplate had been removed from the leader of oppn office and he was making do with a table and chair in bjp office there. he is being eased out step by step. he has not been given any formal role, not even chief revered mentor.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 11 Jun 2014 06:08

kripa kiya nahi?

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 11 Jun 2014 06:10

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 365938.cms

The 108 ambulance controversy is back to haunt senior Congressmen in the state. Almost eight months after a complaint was lodged, a case was registered against former chief minister Ashok Gehlot, former medical minister A A Khan, state PCC chief Sachin Pilot and son of senior Congress leader P Chidambaram, Karti and others at the Ashok Nagar Police station on Tuesday, following a complaint made by one Pankaj Joshi.

According to the police, Joshi lodged the complaint following allegations that the Congress government had favoured Zigitza Healthcare Limited to run 108-ambulance services in Rajasthan.

"Following intense investigation we have registered a case under Sections 420 (cheating), 467 (forgery of valuable security, will, etc), 468 (forgery for purpose of cheating) and 120-B (criminal conspiracy) against former chief minister, Ashok Gehlot, former medical and health minister AA Khan, PCC chief and former minister Sachin Pilot, Karti Chidambaram (son of former Union minister P Chidambaram), Ravi Krishna (son of former Union minister Vayalar Ravi), Shafi Mather (former secretary of Rahul Gandhi and Kerala CM's son) and Shweta Mangal (daughter of Congress leader Vishnu Modi)," said Harsh Raj Singh, circle inspector, Ashok Nagar police station on Tuesday.

The BJP, while in the opposition, had several times raised concern over the alleged financial irregularities. The party had alleged that the tender for providing ambulances was given to former Union minister P Chidambaram's son Karti P Chidambaram and former Union minister V Ravi's son Ravi Krishna's company Ziqitza Healthcare Ltd. Later, the company sold its 60% shares to two foreign companies in a non-transparent manner. The BJP had also alleged that the company was getting undue benefits from the government due to the company directors/promoters and shareholders being the kin of Congress leaders, against whom too a case has been registered.

Jingos! Just be patient! chelas of MAFIA are being crushed.

niran · Post by **niran** » 11 Jun 2014 07:18

vivek.rao wrote: Jingos! Just be patient! chelas of MAFIA are being crushed.

the PC phrase to use is

Law will take its own course

the way Law took its own course for Rapepall, almost a year has passed and he is still scurrying around like a rat scurrying for dear life from pest control guys, see saar, on high heat onree upper crust is cooked the inner core remains uncooked, for properly cooked yummy Samosa you need slow frying on low heat

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 11 Jun 2014 07:28

^Rapepal probably has a lot of "interesting stories" to tell. He will be more willing to tell them on the low burn, as his a$$ is cooked slowly from the inside. The guy even bunked his mom's funeral, scurrying around like a cowardly rat. These are the kind of people we are dealing with. Giving them a quick death would be grossly unfair to their victims.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 11 Jun 2014 07:35

Philip wrote:X-posted tx to Kittu from the Gen. Discussion td.

Be warned, Prime Minister
Foreign powers are determined to undermine the Narendra Modi government.
By N.V. Subramanian (17 May 2014)
http://www.newsinsight.net/Bewarned,Pri ... age=page-1
New Delhi: No one knows Narendra Modi’s mind except the next prime minister himself. He has solely driven this general election and is the primary architect of the Bharatiya Janata Party’s extraordinary and epochal victory. The stakes were high with Modi as Gujarat’s chief minister. But they would infinitely be higher when he is sworn as prime minister next week. This commentary, a special one, is in the nature of an alert. His political detractors and the enemies of India are determined to get him, because he alone of his generation (the immediate post-Independence generation) has the potential to hurtle the country to greatness. His success depends in some measure on who all he appoints to the top cabinet posts of home, finance, defence and foreign affairs. At least one great power has suborned one of his (least) likely choices for one of the four posts. The covert agencies have a full file on the person, who cannot be named for obvious reasons. Narendra Modi would do himself no harm and the country a great deal of good by seeking quiet intelligence clearance of his probable top cabinet choices, one of who remains highly compromised in the estimation of this writer.

Foreign powers did not expect this decisive result in favour of Narendra Modi. They had prepositioned their favourite candidates in the expectation that the Bharatiya Janata Party and the National Democratic Alliance would fall grievously short of the majority numbers. One candidate identified early for the defence portfolio fell by the wayside. The approach was made to the person when the person held an important position in the shadow government. The second candidate was also won over in this period, with the person in question displaying a marked proclivity towards a great power that had shown unprecedented hostility towards Modi. The idea was simple. In case a majority eluded Modi, these two persons, one or both, would be positioned to take over as prime minister, with the discredited “liberal” establishment incited to take up cudgels on behalf of one or both of them. For all the determination of the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangha not to make anyone other than Modi the prime minister, there was the danger that it would succumb to the unbearable pressure brought on it. It is Narendra Modi’s bold gamble and brilliance that upset the applecart.

With plan A failed, the great power, with other Western countries in tow, embarked on the fallback option, which is to infiltrate its surviving candidate into one of the four top Union cabinet posts. In a moment of indiscretion, the candidate let drop to stooge reporters (the mainstream media is near totally infiltrated) that any cabinet post other than defence, foreign affairs, finance and home would be unacceptable. It would befit the candidate’s seniority not to be considered for less. There was no substantial mention of the cabinet committee on security. But that is the key. Any of the top four posts gives access to the highest-level cabinet committee, where the most secret and sensitive national security issues are engaged with, including India’s military nuclear posture and plans, foreign relations, the neighbourhood policy, internal security, Kashmir, China, and so on. The inimical great power wants access to the deliberations of this committee, and it has prepared a mole. Narendra Modi cannot be too careful who he invites and permits into this critical cabinet committee.

For some time, there has been great disquiet that the prime minister’s office has been penetrated. No less alarming than Sanjaya Baru’s revelation that files of the prime minister’s office were shared with Sonia Gandhi are reports that it has been under successful surveillance of foreign intelligence agencies. This is over and above human penetration. Quite apart from Manmohan Singh’s shabby pro-Americanism, he ran a very leaky prime minister’s office. But the scale of danger to the upcoming Narendra Modi government is many times higher, in part because he is the lynchpin to India’s rise, and the foreign powers want to sabotage his success. This writer need not advise Modi on how to handle the new threat, where the cabinet committee on security is sought to be subverted, but at the least, he must identify the prospective mole, and isolate the burrower from government, or in a position where no state secrets are accessible, such as agriculture or rural development, without compromising on the productivity and delivery of these strategic ministries. India’s expectations from Narendra Modi reach the sky, and as determined as he is to fulfil them to excess, there is steely resolve too among his and India’s enemies to destroy him.

Be vigilant, Mr Prime Minister,

N.V.Subramanian is Editor Newsnight

This website is clearly a website with agency connection. So the inference is clear that many candidates who were dropped out from the cabinet are the ones being referred in this article.

With plan A failed, the great power, with other Western countries in tow, embarked on the fallback option, which is to infiltrate its surviving candidate into one of the four top Union cabinet posts. In a moment of indiscretion, the candidate let drop to stooge reporters (the mainstream media is near totally infiltrated) that any cabinet post other than defence, foreign affairs, finance and home would be unacceptable. It would befit the candidate’s seniority not to be considered for less. There was no substantial mention of the cabinet committee on security. But that is the key. Any of the top four posts gives access to the highest-level cabinet committee, where the most secret and sensitive national security issues are engaged with, including India’s military nuclear posture and plans, foreign relations, the neighbourhood policy, internal security, Kashmir, China, and so on. The inimical great power wants access to the deliberations of this committee, and it has prepared a mole. Narendra Modi cannot be too careful who he invites and permits into this critical cabinet committee.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 11 Jun 2014 08:01

Sushma swaraj is the one who I think said only one of the top four ministries for her due to her seniority

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Jun 2014 08:19

as MEA should would be member of CCS even now.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2014 08:42

Its not Sushmaji.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Jun 2014 08:57

Arun Menon wrote:^Rapepal probably has a lot of "interesting stories" to tell. He will be more willing to tell them on the low burn, as his a$$ is cooked slowly from the inside. The guy even bunked his mom's funeral, scurrying around like a cowardly rat. These are the kind of people we are dealing with. Giving them a quick death would be grossly unfair to their victims.

For sure, he bunked his mom's funeral and by evil premeditated design used that to leverage the extended bail.

What a rotter. Found a willing judge too.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 11 Jun 2014 09:29

Rapepal also discovered his Saraswat Brahim lineage as that got him an extension of the bail.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 11 Jun 2014 09:34

BTW, Shafi Mather is NOT Kerala CM's son

. He is the son of a congress leader from Ernakulam area. Shafi is a Muslim, where as Kerala CM is an X'ian, and both families are not "secular".

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 11 Jun 2014 09:40

The first one who fell by the wayside could be JS cannot be loh porush as he still is in lok sabha. However loh purush trip to Jinnah mausoleum was to prove his bonafides to unkil. Uma bharati had said this in an interview to Harish Khare in Hindu when she was in doghouse.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 11 Jun 2014 09:44

Today's TOIlet says that loh purush has got back his room.
I think it was media creation as his name-plate was removed and now it is restored with some changes. NDA coordinator or something that was marked against his name now will go to NM. The media is going to keep on creating/demolishing stuff as per their controllers' wishes.

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 11 Jun 2014 09:58

Sorry for my ignorance, but who is Rapepal?

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 11 Jun 2014 10:06

@Kenop. LK Advani got back the room but without the designation.

http://www.indiatvnews.com/politics/nat ... 18262.html

The name plate of the 86-year-old leader was restored outside room number 4 in Parliament House today, albiet without his earlier designation of Working Chairman of the National Democratic Alliance (NDA).

By the way, if you are not doing so already, please watch Aaj Ki Baat on India TV by Rajat Sharma. You can get good inside information there. Needless to say that it is biased and very much pro-Modi, but a good change from the anti-Modi news.

Sridhar K · Post by **Sridhar K** » 11 Jun 2014 10:11

^^ Tarun Tejpal

niran · Post by **niran** » 11 Jun 2014 10:13

Shamlee wrote:Sorry for my ignorance, but who is Rapepal?

Tayroon Tejpal the balding pigtailed head honcho of Tehelka.com

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 11 Jun 2014 10:16

A name for Tarun Tejpal of Tehelka. Who has been charged with raping one of his female staffer at a function held by his organisation in Goa. He is currently out on bail.

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 11 Jun 2014 10:22

I should have guessed. How stupid of me!

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 11 Jun 2014 11:27

Jingos asking for Namo to go all nine yards against the non-indic forces NOW don't realize that he landed in Delhi just a month ago. Despite all ho-hallah and victory, Delhi is still infested with people in position of power or media owing their allegiance to Dynasty, Congress and in some cases to foreign powers.
Unless Namo knows who are going to be his Generals who will not do Mir Jaffar on him and bail out the criminals, there is no fun indulging in charge of light brigade with no positive result in sight.
The real goose will start cooking couple of years down the line when all the forces have been assembled with competent Generals and enemies assembled under single flag of Sickularism.
It is a 5 day test match and not T-20. Wait for the 3rd day which will be the most crucial one. Why rake up controversies while he still has so much of work to do and align his forces.

I myself would blindly trust Namo to do the right thing for the nation rather than start whining for a minor story here or small failure there. He has walked the talk to prove that he is bigger Jingo than all of us put together.

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 11 Jun 2014 11:33

+1 Vikasji. In addition, before making demands, people should first check BJP's manifesto. The items included therein are the first priority. It should also not be forgotten that the mandate is for 5 years and that is what NaMo has said time and again during his interviews. Hence people should not expect instant results.

I think someone mentioned this before. In 1977, the Janata party after winning power went after Indira Gandhi which did not help at all. In general people are more concerned about inflation and jobs than the Gandhi family being sent to jail.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 11 Jun 2014 11:47

^^

Its not due to IG in jail that caused a defeat for JP. JP itself was an amalgamation of disparate groups together solely due to their anti-congress stand.

Going by that logic, NDA1 shouldn't have lost, since ABV left RG and SG alone. People would argue that there are other reasons for NDA1 defeat, which is true since the reasons for win and defeat are much more complex.

So, lets not make wrong analogies.

In socialist India the means of information were controlled and limited, but it is not so now. IG had 1971 win to her credit, her stature is way higher than SG and RG. SG and RG prosecuted by due process of law will probably rile up people in their family boroughs. Nowhere else.

On the other hand, if there is even a shred of suspicion of SG / RG having compromised on national interest (leave aside evidence) and are let off, the loss of credibility will be that of NDA2 alone.

Also the half truth that people have voted solely for economic reasons needs to go.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 11 Jun 2014 11:50

niran wrote:
vivek.rao wrote: Jingos! Just be patient! chelas of MAFIA are being crushed.
the PC phrase to use is
Law will take its own course
the way Law took its own course for Rapepall, almost a year has passed and he is still scurrying around like a rat scurrying for dear life from pest control guys, see saar, on high heat onree upper crust is cooked the inner core remains uncooked, for properly cooked yummy Samosa you need slow frying on low heat

Reminds of Shivaji's story. Old lady teaches Shivaji how to eat khichdi. It seems NaMo is doing exactly same, first he goes peripheries or chelas. Once they are weakened and their trust with dynasty is low, then he may go after dynasty.

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 11 Jun 2014 12:01

The problem SRoy sir is that a person cannot be tried on suspicion only. Court demands proof and for trying people like Gandhis you need solid proof.

NDA1 lost because of over-confidence and also because they sidelined RSS.

At a personal level, although there is nothing better than seeing the Gandhis in jail, I would say the BJP should follow its manifesto. They have fought this election on the development agenda and should stick to it.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 11 Jun 2014 12:16

^^

Yes, that is one of the reasons for NDA1's loss.

On the suspicion part, the govt. need to start investigations at least. Trials will come later. But the govt. cannot afford to be seen as not doing basic investigations.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 11 Jun 2014 12:26

JP lost because of the awful way the govt was run for 3 years. it was like the UF govt of the 90's. coming after 2 years of "Indira was harsh but trains ran on time", the contrast couldn't have been more stark. janata janardan doesn't like chaos or anarchy.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 11 Jun 2014 12:31

Deep power of mafia is enormous and affidavit on VKS just proves it. Mafia snakes are just gone underground and needed to be pulled out and burned with enormous care and intelligence. Headlong charge is not something you do when you do not know where traps etc are waiting for you. As of now NM is has to do a lot just to defend himself. Just wait and see what happens once he establishes himself.

Rajathan filed FIR on Gehlot, Karthik Chidambaram, Sachin Pilet etc in a 108 ambulances case today. So slowly it is starting.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 11 Jun 2014 13:31

Also JP lost because they could not offer anything to the Janta. Moreover by the time new elections were held, JP had fragmented while IG still had credibility and name recognition from older days.
As far trying Dynasty and other mafia, It is a time consuming process. See even the low level snakes like RapePal is roaming free out on bail even though he is being tried in BJP ruled state.
See the amount of rona-dhona on MSM when Smriti Irani became the HRD minister. The traditional jagirs of so many established left-sec-lib Nawabs of education would be under threat if HRD minister decides to rock the boat.

Namo has to make sure that 2014 is not a fluke victory and his footprints are established on the firmlybefore
old footprints are erased.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 11 Jun 2014 16:13

Modi speaking in LS in Hindi impromptu mostly

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 11 Jun 2014 16:22

excellent speech as usual

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 11 Jun 2014 16:26

speech mostly centred around unity & development, learning from good model any where in India, irrespective of state

Congress 's DNA is like Dyurjodhana - he knew what is good, dharma, but never followed it.

Capt.Amrinder Singh on target... NaMo - "Unko Sharab yaad ana svabhavik hai"

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 11 Jun 2014 16:33

in 1977 elections also, Indira had a base of some 140 seats and in states like AP she was near invincible. She also had a image of 1971 win, Nehru's daughter, Garibi hatavo etc. People of that time are also culturally different than today. I have seen people weeping on roads when she died in 1984. No one wept for Rajiv in 1991.

williams · Post by **williams** » 11 Jun 2014 16:35

Speech that is a level above the usual bickering in the parliament.

Kamal_raj · Post by **Kamal_raj** » 11 Jun 2014 17:15

Where can I get the full speech? Can find it anywhere, NDTV has a 5 minute speech.

Regds

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 11 Jun 2014 17:34

Kamal_raj wrote:Where can I get the full speech? Can find it anywhere, NDTV has a 5 minute speech.

Regds

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xn0HXD4h6Q#t=1650[/youtube]

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 11 Jun 2014 17:55

SRoy wrote:^^

Its not due to IG in jail that caused a defeat for JP. JP itself was an amalgamation of disparate groups together solely due to their anti-congress stand.

Going by that logic, NDA1 shouldn't have lost, since ABV left RG and SG alone. People would argue that there are other reasons for NDA1 defeat, which is true since the reasons for win and defeat are much more complex.

So, lets not make wrong analogies.

In socialist India the means of information were controlled and limited, but it is not so now. IG had 1971 win to her credit, her stature is way higher than SG and RG. SG and RG prosecuted by due process of law will probably rile up people in their family boroughs. Nowhere else.

On the other hand, if there is even a shred of suspicion of SG / RG having compromised on national interest (leave aside evidence) and are let off, the loss of credibility will be that of NDA2 alone.

Also the half truth that people have voted solely for economic reasons needs to go.

Perhaps you may not be aware of sympathies it generated among ordinary Indian voters. Of course , it was not the only factor. Bumbling leaders in Power provided sufficient reasons to voters not to elect them again. It was somewhat replicated when MuKa was arrested by Amma and Sun TV broadcast it live. Voters were disgusted and rest is also another history. This time Amma got wiser and did not do any such antics.

And of course Let the Law take its own course rather than going on vengeance. It has no end. Interest of Bharat is not served by silly tactics.

I think NaMo himself would disagree. His whole focus was Developmental agenda. Corruption and other issues indeed helped. But he did not make devalaya as main plank. It was sauchalaya which was his priority and it shows in his subsequent actions after becoming PM. With Devalaya issue he would have lost, I think. Time is not ripe.

Kamal_raj · Post by **Kamal_raj** » 11 Jun 2014 18:01

Thanks Sandeep, please can you give me the link, I can't see the video you have embedded.

Regds......Kamalraj