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As promised
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You exposed Greenpeace and Cordaid yesterday on your programme without expanding upon CORDAID whoch is Catholic Organization for Relief and Development.

http://www.vigilonline.com/dynamic_incl ... _Funds.pdf
http://www.vigilonline.com/index.php?op ... Itemid=109

I am sending you the link to the Vigil book on www.vigilonline.com, and also the pdf version.

The pdf version on page 279 exposes CORDAID asnd other christian NGOs doing political activism in India wearing the fig leaf of social charity.

Dr. Krishen Kak's chapter Scoring against Paganism: Untangling the Mander Web, exposes Harsh Mander, Aruna Roy. In one pungent line, as long ago as 2006 Krishenji places his finger right on top of Arvid Kejriwal. Between Krishenji and myself we exposed all anti-national NGOs and activists including american squealer Kamal Mitra Chenoy.
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rgsrini wrote:If I am not mistaken, The Hindu has completely blacked out any news on this damning report from IB on NGOs.
The Hindu had the below report in yesterday's printed edition. Tucked away on the sheet which is opposite the LoI section.
NGOs stance on development projects to hit growth: IB
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Not sure what others feel about it, but my personal thinking is that we should start a thread on NGOs that will look at:

1. What are NGOs and why do we need them?
2. Why does a country have NGOs from other countries, and why does it need them?
3. What does an NGO actually do?
4. How does it benefit the country it is operating in - local NGO angle & foreign NGO angle?
5. How can it harm the company it is operating in - local NGO angle & foreign NGO angle?
6. How can the ordinary citizen identify an NGO that does good vs one that does harm, and one that does both?
7. What can an ordinary citizen do if anti-social, anti-constitutional or anti-national activities by NGOs are spotted for action to be taken with immediacy.

There will be other questions I'm sure.

Is it possible for the ordinary citizen to launch something like an "NGO Watchdog" online - registered as an NGO - that will have a comprehensive online presence, operating on a zero-funding, pure volunteer model, with supporters of the idea of NGO Watch securing and providing information, voluntarily and above board, on the activities of these NGOs, their avowed objectives vs actual actions, etc.? This is basically a rhetorical question because the only answer possible to that is yes.

The thread can examine all these questions, and perhaps seed the germination of the NGO Watch online presence.
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johneeG wrote:
Sridhar wrote:But the gist of my post is that if the political parties are forced to reveal who they are getting their funds from, it will become clear as to who is driving their legislative and administrative agendas. I don't think there is any great benefit from knowing the names of all the small shopkeepers or others who give small amounts of money. Except that political parties lie and hide behind these anonymous small donors, whereas most of their money is coming from either a share of the loot that their Governments have garnered while in office, or from big donors who give money and get their quid pro quo in the form of free or subsidized land, access to natural resources and other privileges, at the expense of the ordinary citizen of the country.
Its understandable why the politicians and political parties don't want to reveal their source of funding, but for a healthy democracy, its absolutely important that the sources of funding of all public players like political parties, NGOs, media, ...etc are publicly accessible to all.

And there should be a law that mandates that those who receive substantial amounts from certain foreign foundations(which are fronts for foreign Govts to interfere in dhesh) should register themselves as foreign agents. There is such a law in Russia.

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NGO Law to Protect Russia from Foreign Interference – Putin

NAANTALI, Finland, June 24 (RIA Novosti) – A Russian law obliging non-governmental organizations funded from abroad to register as foreign agents is designed to protect the country’s domestic policies from foreign influence, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday.

The law “concerns only those organizations that receive funding from abroad and are involved in domestic political activity. Russia wants to protect its political activity inside the country from outside interference and at least to be informed about what is going on in the sphere of [NGO] financing,” Putin said at a joint news conference with his Finnish counterpart, Sauli Niinisto.

Putin emphasized that organizations engaging in domestic political life and receiving foreign funding were not prohibited from working in Russia.

“All they need is to register in a certain way and then they are free to go ahead with their work,” the president said.

He reiterated his earlier statement that the Russian law was far more liberal in comparison with similar legislation in the United States or a measure recently adopted in India.

Putin also said that Russia should pay attention to opinions expressed by reputed human rights organizations, such as Human Rights Watch, because “it gives us a reason to analyze the situation and make certain conclusions.”

The so-called NGO law has been criticized for its use of the term “foreign agent,” which can be construed as entailing spying or treachery. Although the government maintains that the law is vital to preventing foreign meddling in the nation's political life, it has already been applied to NGOs involved in apparently apolitical activities such as wildlife conservation, public health and vote monitoring.
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Pratyush wrote:We already are seeing the close attention to foreign funded NGOS being equated with the stifling of free speech. In the MSM.

The cap roll back and eliminate will have to be long term effort.

On a personal note, hence forth, I will make sure that no foreign NGO receives funds from me or my acquaintances.
Except Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram I do not know if anyone can be really certain the funds are not going towards nefarious agencies if money is given to NGos
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Second debate on this issue on Timesnow


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTC4jSnM3WY
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A report which summarizes content of the IB Report:

http://www.thenewsminute.com/news_sections/148
The role of NGOs in India has come under intense scrutiny after Indian Express first put out portions of an Intelligence Bureau report submitted to the Prime Minister recently.

The Intelligence Bureau report dated June 3, 2014 on “The concerted effort by select foreign funded NGOs to “take down” Indian developmental projects” names seven protest movements as significant “anti-developmental activities”.

The 21 page report names seven agitations as pursuing ‘anti-developmental activities’:

1. Nuclear infrastructure
2. Coal fired power plants
3. Genetically modified organisms
4. Posco in Orissa
5. Vedanta in Orissa
6. Narmada Bachao Andolan
7. Agitations against extractive industries in the North East.

The report begins prominently by saying that negative effects of such anti-developmental activities on GDP growth is estimated to be at 2-3%. The IB does not give sources for the statistics its quotes in a consistent manner. For instance, when it quantifies the negative impact on the GDP, it does not mention how it arrived at the percentage. For some of the financial data, the IB quotes FCRA figures - but there is no mention of any money that has come through illegal means.

The News Minute has simply reported on significant portions of the IB report as it is. A reading of the report shows that most of the ‘conclusions’ have been arrived at on the basis of funding, seminars and dharnas organised by various organizations.

The report is split into three parts - Part A, B and C.

The part B of the report mainly consists of brief reports on specific agitations and NGOs. This part talks about foreign funded activism and two pages in this sections have been devoted to the Kudankulam movement.

Agitation against Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project

Here, accusations have mainly been made against S P Udayakumar, the man who led the movement. It describes him as an “US educated” person. Eight of the 11 NGOs involved in the protests were funded by Europe based foreign donors, the report says. The total money received from these donors by the NGOs for 2006-2011 is 80 crore says the report.

The report says that that Udayakumar received an unsolicited contract from Kirwan Institute for Study of Race and Ethnicity at the Ohio State University and prepared a report on ‘Group, Race, Class and Democracy issues through NGOs’.

The IB report says that pan-Indian organizations including National Alliance of People’s Movements (NAPM), People’s Union of Civil Liberties (PUCL), People’s Movement Against Nuclear Energy (PMANE) and Greenpeace coordinated for various anti-nuclear agitations across the country. The network was guided by eminent persons including Praful Bidwai, Medha Patkar, Admirial Ramdass, MG Devasahayam and Karuna Raina.

Anti coal-activism

A portion of the section on Anti-Coal Activism states: “the issue has not attained high visibility, but massive efforts are on to take down India’s coal fired power plant and coal mining activities”. It also says that Greenpeace is mainly against Coal India Ltd, Hindalco, Aditya Birla group and Essar. To encourage Indian-ness of its anti-coal approach, Greenpeace also financed Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) to study health, pollution and other aspects of Mahaan, Madhya Pradesh.

The IB report also talks about a documentary film - Coal Curse by Paranjoy Guha Thakurta and an IIT-Delhi study on reduced irrigation potential in Maharashtra due to coal plants.

The Greenpeace office has had a foreign expert installing sophisticated software in its computers, the report says. Further, Greenpeace is also in talks with the Aam Aadmi Party which declared its activist Pankaj Singh as a candidate from Mahan.

Anti Genetically Modified Organisms

The IB has named five Indian activists and six NGOs as being in the forefront. The donors who funded these NGOs included Greenpeace International, EED, Bread for the World and Misereor among others.

Anti-Posco activism

Association for India’s development, a US-based NGO drafted a plan for Posco Prathirodh Sangarsh Samiti. An NGO called Insaaf, is accused of actively helping the movement and also being involved in the Jaitapur movement. There are about two to three paragraphs on Insaaf, followed by the donations done by Insaaf. .

Resistance to Vedanta Aluminum Ltd

As proof that the Opposition to the Vedanta movement was getting funding from foreign donors, the IB reports quotes from an interview given by Sajjan Jindal, Chairman and Managing Director of JSW Steel to the Economic Times and says that the element of corporate funding for the VAL movement gained credence when Jindal stated in the interview that corporate rivalries are in play in promoting the movement. In this they prominently mention the Amnesty International. They have also mentioned Survival International, Action Aid UK and Open Society Foundations.

Activism against extractive industries in the North-East

Netherlands based Dutch government funded donor CORDAID has recently added “Extractive industries in the NE as a forth focal point for its interventions in India”. The IB report talks about a seminar in Geneva in 2012, with Swami Agnivesh as a prominent speaker. It also says senior policy officer of CORDAID, Eelco De Groot had planned a visit to Manipur in March 2013, but visa was denied. The IB report says that De Groot planned to visit under the cover of an organization called “Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative”

When the event did not happen in India, it was instead conducted in Bangkok in 2012 and eight NGOS from the North East took part in the event. The IB report says De Groot emphasized at the seminar that, “Instead of fighting the government, it was best to make it so difficult for the company that it would be unable to meet the required international standards involved in oil extraction”.

There was one more seminar in Shillong, as a follow up in October 2013. Three trainers, two Dutch and an American reminded participants that oil reserves in the area were as large as large as those in the entire gulf and these belong only to the tribals of Manipur.

The report says that the trainers told the participants that the Government of India along with multi-national companies (MNCs) was refusing to remove the Armed Forces Special Powers Act, to steal the resources in the region.

Part C – Future plans to take down fresh Economic Development Project

This is divided into 7 parts – activism against Palm oil export, the report mentions Greenpeace’s campaign of importing Palm Oil from Indonesia, organizing construction workers- it says Greenpeace also plans to focus on migration patterns of construction workers to urban areas in India. The IB report says this is to develop a cadre of field level protesters.

E-Waste

To undermine the image of ITES firm, Greenpeace has initiated a campaign against E-Waste and it is under the leadership of Benjamin David Hargreaves, a UK national that this campaign is going on, it says. Interestingly, Greenpeace Bangalore only focuses attention on Indian IT firms, the report adds.

Narmada River Interlinking Project in Gujarat and Maharashtra

It says that many NGOs together received 12.72 crores from 2006- 2013, from various countries. These organizations include Parthi Poorna Adivasi Sanghatan, Sarvodaya Parivar Trust, Gujarat Vidya Peet, Deevalaya Fulwadi and Raj Pipla Social Service Society. It also alleges that the Parthi Poorna Adivasi Sangatan also receives support from the Adivasi Ekta Parishad, Jai Maha Adivasi Sangh, PTNRIP.

Gujarat Vikas Manch Lokadhikar Andolan

Under the section it says that NGOs like MARAG, PUCL, Movement for Secular Democracy are making efforts to debunk the Gujarat model of development. GVMLA apparently organized a two day seminar in which these NGOs participated. The leaders in the seminar also criticized the state government with regard to Statue of Unity, Special Investment Regions, Mithi Virthi nuclear Power Project, Industrial Development, employment and health issues

Special Investment Region (Gujarat)

Under this section the report says that the participants of the GVMPLA seminar alleged that the plain and fertile land of the farmers go to the industries which will affect that farmers basic livelihood. Laljhibhai Desai, director of an NGO, Maldhari Rural Action Group (MARAG) and the President of Azad Vikas Sangatan has been named for instigating and managing agitations against the SIR of Dholera and Mandal Becharji.

It says that a “sammelan” was organized under the name of “Bhal Khesut Sangathan” in which Laljhi Desai also participated.

MARAG received foreign funds amounting to 5.53 crore rupees between 2006-2011. It came mainly from Save the Children, Biodiversity, Tibet, and International Fund for Agricultural Development, Child Relief and You, Oxfam and Canadian India Village Aid.

Delhi to Mumbai Industrial Corridor (DMIC)

National Alliance of Peoples' Movement (NAPM) organized a Mumbai Delhi Sangharsh Yatra in March 2013 from Mumbai under the leadership of Medha Patkar protesting against the propsed DMIC. The yatra traversed through Maharashtra, Gujarat. Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Haryana and ended at Delhi. NAPM alleged that DMIC would impact approx 180 m people (14% of lndian population) adversely both from an environmental and agricultural angle. Also NAPM predicted that this would turn out to be the biggest disaster for people in the coming 10 years.

Corridor Virodhi Shetkari Sangharsh Samiti also organized a dharna to protest against the forcible encroachment of farmers land for the DMIC. INSAAF, also organized a meeting in which it remarked that after the government takes over the farmer’s land in the name of DMIC, one day the farmers in this country will be left landless.

Farmers of 31 villages in Vadodara district organized a meeting under the Ekta Gramin Praja Vicharman Samiti to protest against the DMIC. The leaders of EGPVS appealed to the farmers to not give their land for the proposed corridor. They said that the farmers will end up suffering huge financial loses and also that the move will affect the environment adversely.
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Is a complete ban on foreign funding too much to expect.
That would be rather unwise, hain? Not to mention utterly destructive. "Foreign" is not all bad... :eek:
The issue is whether Indian law is violated - directly or insidiously, and whether foreign funding is used to hurt the interests of the nation, as a sort of Super-Parliament of the Foreign KnowItAlls (aka East India Company-2). IOW, THEY get to decide whether India should build dams, power plants, mine uranium etc.

There is no doubt a role for educating the public about the issues in nuclear power, thermal power, Global Warming, mining, dams etc etc, but IMO the line is crossed when NGOs pay ppl to vote a certain way, or there is one-sided propaganda from them.

As is the case with GreenPeace: a bunch of Yacht-Saints who demand that people in developing nations live without electric power or industry or food so that the Yacht-Saints' own super-polluting, resource-grabbing homelands thrive without competition.

Surprised that IB hasn't taken the trouble to check into PRC funding, esp. as evident in CPI(M) and CPI(ML). Overall, given their "plagiarising" a section of NaMO's own speech in a report to NaMO, it appears that the IB felt the heat on their musharrafs once the election results came out, and rushed out with this "report" to save their hot-seats.

Pls read NaMo's speech - he does make a careful analysis, though the political-speech context includes some hyperbole as is to be expected. He recognizes the immense good being done, all through history, by NGOs meaning just people getting together to do something good for others instead of just trying to make $$ for themselves.
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Termites already at work

NGOs can do little economic damage

New Delhi, June 13, 2014

A threat to India’s economic security is a matter of the gravest concern and should warrant immediate action. But to say that foreign-funded NGOs like Greenpeace form the vanguard of this threat suggests that the issue is not as serious as an Intelligence Bureau (IB) report has made it out to be. The IB report goes further to say that the anti-national activities of various foreign-funded NGOs could cost up to 2-3% loss to GDP. These are very serious charges but there is unfortunately nothing on the ground to substantiate it.
All foreign contributions to NGOs come under the Foreign Contribution Regulation Act (FCRA) and requires the authorisation of the home ministry. Which raises the question: How were ‘anti-national’ NGOs allowed to receive money ostensibly for subversive purposes under the watchful eye of the home ministry all these years?
It is no secret that many NGOs receive foreign funds as indeed does the country receive foreign investment. It is highly unlikely that any NGO with or without foreign funding has the capacity to threaten India’s economic security. Many NGOs have done signal service for the disadvantaged in areas where the government has either been unable or unwilling to engage.
And they have been commended for their efforts. Some of them quite possibly received foreign funding. Greenpeace is on record saying that details of all its operations and funding are available on the website. Protests against coal-based power plants or nuclear plants are perfectly legitimate.
And they would not get so much support if the government had been transparent about their merits and demerits in the first place. Such protests cannot be termed an impediment to economic security. The prime minister has correctly said that he would like as many green project details to be online.
This will surely help in allaying the fears people have about major development projects. Successive governments have not had a very good track record on rehabilitation and relief for people affected by development projects, the Narmada being a prime example.
Simply put, the government tends to be opaque on development projects leading to unnecessary fears among people. This is why protests led by NGOs get so much support. The government ought not to see NGOs as adversarial. They should be considered complementary to the government’s efforts.
The IB report will create an atmosphere of distrust and prejudice about NGOs at a time when India needs all the help it can get in the social sector. By all means, take rogue NGOs to task but sweeping charges of such a dire nature based only on the fact that foreign funding comes in for some NGOs is to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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The NGO fifth column is big as per this report - Rs. 11,500 crores and only 2% of NGO's file returns.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 576277.cms
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Medha Patkar Exposed: Her confidential emails & letter from Congress party leader

The letters are of 2007, but it gives rough idea of her mentality and her connections.
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The new Companies Act 2013 now fully notified has the following section. So UPA provided continuous funding for all the NGOs from libaral heads of corporate world, who are basically idiots when it comes to national security.

135. (1) Every company having net worth of rupees five hundred crore or more, or turnover of rupees one thousand crore or more or a net profit of rupees five crore or more during any financial year shall constitute a Corporate Social Responsibility Committee of the Board consisting of three or more directors, out of which at least one director shall be an independent director.
(2) The Board's report under sub-section (3) of section 134 shall disclose the composition of the Corporate Social Responsibility Committee.
(3) The Corporate Social Responsibility Committee shall,—
(a) formulate and recommend to the Board, a Corporate Social Responsibility Policy which shall indicate the activities to be undertaken by the company as specified in Schedule VII;
(b) recommend the amount of expenditure to be incurred on the activities referred to in clause (a); and (c) monitor the Corporate Social Responsibility Policy of the company from time to time.
(4) The Board of every company referred to in sub-section (1) shall,—
(a) after taking into account the recommendations made by the Corporate Social Responsibility Committee, approve the Corporate Social Responsibility Policy for the company and disclose contents of such Policy in its report and also place it on the company's website, if any, in such manner as may be prescribed; and
(b) ensure that the activities as are included in Corporate Social Responsibility Policy of the company are undertaken by the company.
(5) The Board of every company referred to in sub-section (1), shall ensure that the company spends, in every financial year, at least two per cent. of the average net profits of the company made during the three immediately preceding financial years, in pursuance of its Corporate Social Responsibility Policy:
Provided that the company shall give preference to the local area and areas around it where it operates, for spending the amount earmarked for Corporate Social Responsibility activities:
Provided further that if the company fails to spend such amount, the Board shall, in its report made under clause (o) of sub-section (3) of section 134, specify the reasons for not spending the amount.
Explanation.—For the purposes of this section “average net profit” shall be calculated in accordance with the provisions of section 198.


This is the law as on today gurus.

Welcome to mafia world of deep dirty tricks.
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By naming organizations, the report has done a good thing. The public needs to realize that it is only some of these NGOs that act at the behest of foreign hand that needs scrutiny, and not well intentioned and desi ones. So hopefully when Modi or the government reacts to the report it makes the distinction and sends a message to the public.

Messaging is as important as the action.
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Green Piss is pissing all over the world to scuttle any sustainable renewable power projects. See what they did in Chile
Greenpeace rejoices after getting huge renewable powerplant CANCELLED

The project, which would have seen hydroelectric dams constructed on the region's rivers and a lengthy high-voltage DC line constructed to carry the power to centres of population and industry, would have met as much as 21 per cent of Chile's electricity requirements with effectively zero carbon emissions.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/12 ... cancelled/
Me thinks the green piss is a front for Oil major companies to kill off the competition.
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Six Delhi NGOs in IB watchlist say thank you for noticing us
Six non-governmental organisations, which figure in an Intelligence Bureau report on NGOs stalling development projects, operate out of a single building in Katwaria Sarai in South Delhi.

The IB report on the ‘Impact of NGOs on Development’ said inquiries into “pattern, design and funding of protests at nuclear plants and uranium mines” revealed a “superior network” of pan-India organisations closely linked to territorial outfits that were also indulging in agitation against GM foods and the POSCO steel plant in Orissa.

“The manner of free-funding for these NGOs is observed from the fact that ASHA and its IFSF campaign are headquartered with four prominent anti-nuclear NGOs at a single address — A-124/6, Katwaria Sarai, New Delhi — which is an unmarked, small, two-room flat,” the report stated.
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“CNDP was formed in 2000 after Pokhran and became part of PEACE which was formed in 1995. My only question is how has a document of national security been leaked? And if there is a ban on NGOs going against government policy, why aren’t such rules specified in the FCRA?”
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The INSAF, he said, is an umbrella body comprising 750 organisations, including PEACE. “INSAF cannot have individuals as its members. Only organisations can be part of it. Elections are held to top posts every two years. INSAF and PEACE each receive funding of Rs one crore a year, the main foreign contributor being Germany.
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Study of race and ethnicity. Really????
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The uproad in media shows how well these are embedded in Gulshan-e-Lutyens. This wouldn't have been possible without the active support of previous government.
The ModiSarkar should have gone about the business in quiet manner. Speak very very slowly and wave a XXL stick rather violently.
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How did the report get leaked? MHA?
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The debate on internal security cannot be carried out in secret. Before people start helping to break down the network, people should be aware of the problem. Until reading ' breaking India' i was not aware if the scale of problem. The man on the street is not even aware of the threat from these organisations.

I am glad the report or sections of it were leaked. The handlers have to make their move. And certain people willmake special efforts to clear their tracks. IB must be watching. And so would be Doval
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What if the "leak" was a controlled one? Just see the cat among the pigeons now. Everybody and his NGO mama are debating till they are blue whether we really need these gora NGOs in India. Expect more "controlled leaks" soon, followed by legislation.
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The leaks are standard procedure to build public opinion in favor, before some major action is initiated. Puts the usual culprits (who would normally be offensive), in our case MSMs, on the defensive.
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DNAIndia in on the act:
Screening environmental documentaries, opposing AFSPA, complaining to NHRC -- Read the six sins of being an NGO in India, according to Intelligence Bureau

Serious attempt to play victim and delegitimize the IB. As expected, absolutely no mention of violent protests, illegal money flow for foreign causes, religious aspects.
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Like someone said above, NGOs are just the leaves of the tree of poison. We need to pull out the root and let the leaves dry out.

Here is my proposal for the govt.

1) Come up with an NGO blacklist, which gets updated every 6 months. This includes NGOs that dont declare assets, dont declare income or pay any taxes.
2) Create a law that makes the owners of the NGO personally and criminally liable for any lapses in statutory declarations. Penalties shall be severe.
3) Once an NGO gets on a blacklist, create a profile of the NGO's financiers and add them to the financier blacklist.
4) Any NGO that gets money from a blacklisted financier will be automatically added to the NGO blacklist.
5) An NGO or a financier who gets on a blacklist can ONLY send money/receive money or transact through a specially created NGO bank, which makes available to the public every little transaction that happened. Severe penalties (10 - 20 year RI with no possibility of paroling under any circumstance) should be imposed if any of them violate it.
6) A blacklisted NGO official who gets money through a foreign agency, shall be by law referred to as a "Foreign agent" when appearing in any news item or advertizement. Severe punishment for media folks who hide this fact. For ex any report that mentioned Dhoti Roy should be: "Foreign Agent Arundhathi Roy said blah blah"
7) An NGO gets into the blacklist the moment it hires any individual involved in any blacklisted NGO in his entire career.
8) A blacklisted NGO official shall report every movement to the IB. Miss reporting one move and be prepared to face severe criminal charges.


Basically keep the NGOs who receive foreign funds in a paranoid state, all the time. Dry out their funding, deligitimze them and hound them till they give up.
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What about NGOs who are neck deep in religious conversions? They need to be listed too. And how many of them got GOI funding under false pretenses?
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LokeshC wrote:How did the report get leaked? MHA?

Kalyan saar has the full text link in Scribd

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2014 ... -ngos.html
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No doubt Doval and some others are going to go after NGO's ruthlessly. He's read BI and has experience in the field being in the IB for so long.
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The report is factual, but it is up to someone else to connect the dots and present the picture on the true extent of the attack on India. Taken in isolation, each item seems trivial, and the media attack is intensifying, claiming that it is all repression of citizens' rights.

First of all, the issue is not really concerned Indian citizens agitating: it is PAID FOREIGN AGENTS pretending to be concerned citizens. For instance, they have descended on Manipur, telling the residents there that Manipur has oil reserves comparable to those of a Persian Gulf nation, but that it "belongs to the People of Manipur" not India. Sounds grand, until you realize that generally the same puppeteers are also funding AK47s and IEDs and riots in order to split Manipur off from India, so that they can "reconstruct" it and take the oil reserves for THEIR companies as done, say, in Eyerak.

Same with the opposition to uranium mining. That is directly attacking India's strategic interests. What business has a German (Sonntag Hitler whatever who was deported from Chennai) meddling in the Indian nuclear business?

These require careful parsing, collation, and then exposure articulating WHAT is wrong and what is the issue. This is where the media and "Intelligentsia" is totally lopsided.

Reading this "21-page report" I find that the stuff in the Radha Rajan/ Kishen Kak book contained a heck of a lot more direct evidence of criminality - and the US Free Biscuit entities seem to have read the original articles that were reprinted (by the authors' permission abd blessing, as I understand..) in the book. (Why do I say this? Look at the timeline of the prosecution of Ghulam Fai as a foreign agent, and certain occurrences at the California Institute of Integral Studies).

In most countries, running anti-government or ANY agitation, taking money from a foreign entity, is a no-no. Also, a foreigner yowling against the government is a no-no. People have to understand that - from the :(( :(( about "Freedom of Speech" it is clear that the Lifafa journalists are deliberately, and maliciously, ignoring this fundamental fact. If an American stands up and starts a campaign against some American govt policy, that is perfectly OK.. UNLESS if turns out that this is done, taking money from a foreign nation that will benefit from destroying that American policy. If this is found out, the American faces charges of being a covert foreign agent.

So the Indians taking money from GreenPeace etc are, whether they like it or not, Covert Foreign Agents, acting to destabilize and obstruct policies followed by the lawfully elected government of India. There is no excuse for this. This message is what needs to be articulated, and done clearly.

(i.e., it should be done by certified Patriotic Desis, not by foreigners).
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Narayana Rao,

That law is very regressive. So there is a 2% tax on the net profit over and above the normal corporate taxes and before dividend to shareholders. Bad bad policy for Indian industry especially those in low margin businesses. How did this pass? Should be repealed forthwith. This is too much government - just a shade better than commie economy.
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The threat posed by the NGOs has been receiving the attention of Nationalists for a long time. I can recount some practical examples that some of us undertook in the last few years in Chennai. It was of course done with a view to do our individual mite when the overall situation looked quite daunting.

One thing we did was to organize ourselves into an informal group going by a very prosaic name (don't want to share that name here) and we went around every alternate weekend to small gatherings, where we made presentations on National Security, the threat from a fifth column like infiltrated media and NGOs, gave a view on what is the game plan behind conversions and gave simple tips and material to those who attended to share with others.

We organized these gatherings in small temples, invited people from target age groups from important sectors like IT, worked with other nationalist organizations sensitizing them and equipping them with good material and presentations so that they can use their network to disseminate the message.

We also wanted to start a skills building centre, where we would screen and accept young undergraduates and train them for careers in different fields by making them industry ready by involving a group of professionals from each industry area to become trainers. We wanted to also instill in them an outlook that was Nationalist so that over a period of time the Nationalist network would be able to spot intrusions, stem their influence through our own network and then turn the tide.

I know it is a big ambition, but we all felt that we should get down and work. For me the actual spark was from a post by RayC that said in its essence, what is the use of all knowledge if it is not translated into action.

It gave us a big satisfaction at least of doing something on the ground. We knew we were not going to change the world, but it did make a world of difference to us. We were able to learn so much.

Well, now for the not so good part. We are not able to sustain it. We stopped after a about 7-8 months. We have the templates, the plan and even a small database of people who we reached and a band of volunteers. We could not sustain not because of lack of funds, but because we could not give the time that is needed to make it better organized and grow. So it remained an experiment.

The reason why I am sharing this? Well to drive home some points:

(i) There is realization that the threat is real and has reached a critical scale and mass that it will take a lot of effort to roll it down.
(ii) With this election, we at least have gained a fighting chance to actually deal with this threat.
(iii) The war that has to be fought is for the minds of people. It needs an army. It cannot be the government alone. What we have now is a government that is on our side. Yet it requires organized effort, dedicated teams and time. Of the three, dedicated teams are there. The team lacks the ability to actually take these strategic thoughts to the masses, they need help in getting the messages created. Once done, they will disseminate. There is not much time to get it all right.
(iv) The infiltration is not restricted to media and academia alone, it has permeated corporate world and almost every decision making and influencing sectors. For example, HR is completely hijacked in most corporates by EJs and NGO linked and influenced people. So too are tribal communities that are guardians of public wealth such as forests and minerals.

What is required is a sustained war on NGOs. Sometimes overt and sometimes covert. It is important that those who plan the war stay with a low profile. These are some of the lessons I learnt.

On a positive note, we are still in touch as a group and hope to restart our activities. One of the reasons for this post is to see if we can inspire more Rakshaks here to get on to an action mode. However small. Let there be a thousand squirrels like the ones that helped Sri Ramachandra who did their bit to help the National cause! Start informal forums, create small action teams and start working. We can network as we develop.

This is not the usual ramble that I indulge in, but a call for action! Arise Bharatha, the time is now! That is the message of this post. Sorry if I have exceeded or transgressed any forum rules and regulations, dear Admins! I hope you will indulge this old forumite this one time!
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Its been a long time. The IB report is seriously hilarious for multiple points.

1. IB concludes that NGO-giri has reduced GDP growth rate by 2-3%. However, there is no evidence to back that up, no analytics, no empirical study to back a random hypothesis. Why 2%? From which sectors, what downstream impact? Why not 4%, or 0.5%? Nothing beyond a sentence. Having known numerous people who have served in IB in the past, I cannot recall a single economic policy maven in their ranks - hence not really surprised at the outcome. Though the pretense of economic wisdom is a touch strange.

2. Anti-nuclear protests - So Udaykumar, Bidwai et al are "foreign funded" chaps with ulterior interests. Why miss out on Shiv Sena, which was at the forefront of the Jaitapur project? Are they also foreign funded, anti nationals? A little more strategically, most of the new action on the nuclear front was spawned by the Indo-US nuclear deal. The most vociferous opponents of the deal today sit in govt - foreign funded?

3. GM crops have been scuttled by NGOs including Greenpeace. One would presume the Parliamentary Standing Committee to be a foreign funded NGO as well? and the Expert Committee set up by the Supreme Court as well? Of course, maybe the committee was dominated by Congress "sell outs". What would one conclude about Swadeshi Jagran Manch, the economic "soulmate" of RSS? another foreign funded NGO with anti national proclivities?

4. POSCO project has been stymied by NGOs. Were the NGOs foreign funded? Or more like Tata Steel funded? Granted that Tata Steel derives majority of its income from Europe/Asia today, but it still remains an "Indian" company. Or were they also being foreign funded via Tata Steel?

5. Opposition to "extractive" industries by NGOs across the board. The Land Acquisition Bill was passed by the last govt in response to these "anti national protests", fully supported by those in power today! So everyone was hand in glove to get foreign funding?

Notwithstanding the plagiarising of Narendra Modi's speech in parts of the report, the IB report does an extra-ordinarily shoddy job of "analysis". Strategic analysis on politico-economic developments need to be up IB's alley. But as a start, this creates a fairly incredible state of credibility.
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Raja Ram wrote:The threat posed by the NGOs has been receiving the attention of Nationalists for a long time. I can recount some practical examples that some of us undertook in the last few years in Chennai. It was of course done with a view to do our individual mite when the overall situation looked quite daunting.
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somnath wrote:Its been a long time. The IB report is seriously hilarious for multiple points.

1. IB concludes that NGO-giri has reduced GDP growth rate by 2-3%. However, there is no evidence to back that up, no analytics, no empirical study to back a random hypothesis. Why 2%? From which sectors, what downstream impact? Why not 4%, or 0.5%? Nothing beyond a sentence. Having known numerous people who have served in IB in the past, I cannot recall a single economic policy maven in their ranks - hence not really surprised at the outcome. Though the pretense of economic wisdom is a touch strange.

2. Anti-nuclear protests - So Udaykumar, Bidwai et al are "foreign funded" chaps with ulterior interests. Why miss out on Shiv Sena, which was at the forefront of the Jaitapur project? Are they also foreign funded, anti nationals? A little more strategically, most of the new action on the nuclear front was spawned by the Indo-US nuclear deal. The most vociferous opponents of the deal today sit in govt - foreign funded?

3. GM crops have been scuttled by NGOs including Greenpeace. One would presume the Parliamentary Standing Committee to be a foreign funded NGO as well? and the Expert Committee set up by the Supreme Court as well? Of course, maybe the committee was dominated by Congress "sell outs". What would one conclude about Swadeshi Jagran Manch, the economic "soulmate" of RSS? another foreign funded NGO with anti national proclivities?

4. POSCO project has been stymied by NGOs. Were the NGOs foreign funded? Or more like Tata Steel funded? Granted that Tata Steel derives majority of its income from Europe/Asia today, but it still remains an "Indian" company. Or were they also being foreign funded via Tata Steel?

5. Opposition to "extractive" industries by NGOs across the board. The Land Acquisition Bill was passed by the last govt in response to these "anti national protests", fully supported by those in power today! So everyone was hand in glove to get foreign funding?

Notwithstanding the plagiarising of Narendra Modi's speech in parts of the report, the IB report does an extra-ordinarily shoddy job of "analysis". Strategic analysis on politico-economic developments need to be up IB's alley. But as a start, this creates a fairly incredible state of credibility.
You seem to be a part of the NGO gravy train too, the way you are reacting to the report.
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somnath wrote:...
Way to go saar,
Thats the UndieTV's(and other Paid media's) narrative word for word - surely you missed mentioning this fact and put it nakedly as your own view for sake of fun?

Much of the reason opposition opposes on most issues -is because of the partisan nature of politics in india

The same opposition when in power automatically gets into the executive mode.Surely you are aware of this to make an equalequal with NGO's .For example Gen VK Singh too opposed Gorakhpur nuclear project(a completely indigenous 4*700W=2800 MW homegrown NPCIL project) when he was first stepping into politics - then he shaped up as expected.
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matrimc wrote:Narayana Rao,

That law is very regressive. So there is a 2% tax on the net profit over and above the normal corporate taxes and before dividend to shareholders. Bad bad policy for Indian industry especially those in low margin businesses. How did this pass? Should be repealed forthwith. This is too much government - just a shade better than commie economy.
It was passed by UPA long back and slowly notified. One thing every one is missing is the manner in which this 2% will be spent. This activities under this section will be outsourced to "reputed" NGOs like Greenpeace for doing one thing or another. So UPA ensured Jholawala's get funding on regular basis like hafta. Just search for Greenpeace or any "reputed" NGO you will find they are funded by major corporate firms.

Who is who in page3 people are all associated with NGOs. In fact associating with "reputed" NGOs or "cause" is a well known PR stunt for "celebrities" (which in India are mainly Hindi film gangs and few rich people, liberals etc.) Both provide publicity for each other. Example - Amir khan and Narmada bachovo andolan. There was serious push back in Gujarath (where else :D )and he stopped supporting to NBA.

NGOs have lot of roots in India and going after them ruthlessly and relentlessly is needed.
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somnath wrote:Its been a long time. The IB report is seriously hilarious for multiple points.
1. IB concludes that NGO-giri has reduced GDP growth rate by 2-3%. However, there is no evidence to back that up, no analytics, no empirical study to back a random hypothesis. Why 2%? From which sectors, what downstream impact? Why not 4%, or 0.5%? Nothing beyond a sentence. Having known numerous people who have served in IB in the past, I cannot recall a single economic policy maven in their ranks - hence not really surprised at the outcome. Though the pretense of economic wisdom is a touch strange.
The question is whether there is merit in what the IB is saying. It is akin to someone in govt saying "X project will create 100s of jobs & contribute Y amount to the state" . Most people with common sense know what to take away from that . The same is applicable for the IB statement. Questioning exact numbers is frankly silly. I would say it is a well deserved warning for trolling.

somnath wrote: 2. Anti-nuclear protests - So Udaykumar, Bidwai et al are "foreign funded" chaps with ulterior interests. Why miss out on Shiv Sena, which was at the forefront of the Jaitapur project? Are they also foreign funded, anti nationals? A little more strategically, most of the new action on the nuclear front was spawned by the Indo-US nuclear deal. The most vociferous opponents of the deal today sit in govt - foreign funded?
Huh? The IB report is focussing on NGOs. KKNP protestors got funds from European sources . There is no such evidence for Shiv-Sena .
BTW SS continue to oppose Jaitapur and is in line with opinion of local population . SP Udayakumar OTOH, was 5th, lost his deposit ( got 15,000 votes. )
Nice try though.
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A crow landed on the roof of a building.

And the building collapsed due to crow's weight

And IB blames the crow.

"Intelligent" Bureau indeed.

The question we should "investigate" into - is IQ of Bureau around 100 or 200 or does it have some 4 digit IQ?

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If a two bit paid-NGOs can stall a project in court , then whom should we blame? - the paidjudge or paid-NGO?

I blame the paidjudge ONLY.

And IMO, only a very intelligent person would waste focus on the NGO. Someone so intelligent, that he must be having 4 digit IQ.

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IB is misguiding nation. The paid-NGOs are cover agents. The REAL agents of MNC-owners are judges and paidmedia. eg it was paidjudges who had blocked Narmada dam construction for decades, and it was paidToI which legitimized it. NGOs like NBA provided only a cover for PIL.

Blaming paid-NGOs only, and ignoring away paidjudges and paidmedia is blaming Kasab only and ignoring away Dawood, ISI, CIA (which runs ISI) etc.

IB reports gives clean chit to paidjudges and paidmedia by not even mentioning their roles. So now citizens will get focused on roles of paid-NGOs and paidjudges and paidmedia will get less focus. And so problem will keep growing.
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Gurulog. For past few days, in TV discussions, Greenpeace rep, other NGOs supports and now even Barkha is parroting same line, i.e. when we have foreign FDIs, why not foreign sponsored NGOs. What is best way to counter to such arguments (from one to broad descriptive).
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NGOs represent the street muscle of the PaidNBJPRE nexus in India .Infact NGOs are the toughest to neutralize in this network,further every other actor depends on these NGOs to mobilize ground support in the court of public opinion.

The current moves of new establishment starting first with NGO's is therefore logical.
kmkraoind wrote:Image

Gurulog. For past few days, in TV discussions, Greenpeace rep, other NGOs supports and now even Barkha is parroting same line, i.e. when we have foreign, why not foreign sponsored NGOs. What is best way to counter to such arguments (from one to broad descriptive).
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NGO's are not accountable,escape scrutiny,almost always misuse foreign funds for activities not related to the declared purpose.

Now they are identified as major subverting factors by our country's premier intelligence agency - so freeze their assets and activities in the shortterm until a vigorous reporting and compliance framework for all foreign funded NGO's is legislated to curtail this menace of subversion.
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