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Anujan wrote:They are taking back control over the taliban badlands, beat a few people up with sticks so they have more say on how the talibs conduct ops in Afghanistan.
Pakistan army wants to control the territory and the groups to launch foray in afghanistan after unkil has left. Thats what this ops is all about. Paki COAS as said that the op is against "People who have taken up arms against Pakistan". So presumably Afghan taliban is not included.
They are prepping their own ISIS to take on ANA after Unkil leaves.
But thi time they will have their jihadis lead the charge against Kabul.
So need to clear the area of TTP and other irritants.
Unkil might have endorsed this as a Sunni sandwich for Iran from the East. Iraq under ISIS would be the Western part of sandwich/plan!
Virendra wrote:<snip...> If we put pressure on east, don't all the Af-Pak momins get a chance to unite under 'Islam khatre me hai' banner to protect their brothers?
They'll drop everything, getting a higher cause to fight ...
Why this new myth that we again can't punish TSP since it will let all Pukes get together.
If that is the case, so be it. If TSP deserves a bear hug from India, let it happen. Let all TSPians from all corners come out like roaches to fight on the east, but this should never be a reason for India not to raise the cost of terror acts by Kabila
^ Ramana, Anujan,
The risk is that you never know with such charges. They might start a reverse launch towards Islamabad which
can be taken over as easily as Kabul and is ripe for picking.
Atleast Kabuli Afghans would give a bloody fight, Pakjabi would simply bend over and do what they have been doing since ages.This is not 1996 and Puke Army should be scared seeing what ISIS has done to Iraqi Army in few days.
The problem in Iraq is no one is fighting for Iraq. They are fighting for sectarian, tribal and regional interests. Thats what a civil war is all about.
So we dont know about Kabul Afghans. Who or what do they represent?
Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has asked Afghan President Hamid Karzai to plug the entry of militants fleeing into his country following a massive army operation against the Taliban, officials said today.
Already about 184 militants and eight soldiers have been killed in the operation code named "Zarb-e-Azb" meaning "Strike of the Prophet's Sword".
Isnt this the 'shoe is on other foot' situation? In 2001, the Pakis were sheltering the Taliban running away from Afghanistan. And what did the APksi do that they demand Karzai to plug the TTP if that is who they are?
Reportedly, the man was identified as Gullu Butt and belongs to the Faisal Town area. After the vandalism, Butt lifted two cold drinks from a nearby shop and kept drinking while the policemen enjoyed.
ramana wrote:The problem in Iraq is no one is fighting for Iraq. They are fighting for sectarian, tribal and regional interests. Thats what a civil war is all about.
So we dont know about Kabul Afghans. Who or what do they represent?
Like Pakistan, Iraq too was a british construct, and an artificial one at that. Put together by a treaty. The national identity of the "Iraqi" people stops at their regional, ethnic and religious door step.
Afghanistan is an older idea, much older than Iraq and Pakistan. Although a relatively new name for a nation, the Afghan's core Pakhtoon (or Pakhta tribe) identity is in similar lines to the Hindu (not to be confused with the "religion") identity for Indians and India.
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Did you notice the massive contingent of policemen in the back? Maybe he was a "good" vandal and the police were asked to take action on only the "bad" vandals.
As if people on here don't know.. Mani Shankar Aiyer is hopeless idiot.
He refuses to believe what Pakistanis are saying - and that is Nawaz Sharif is hand in glove with Hafiz Saeed. He thinks Musharaf and MMS made great progress but says it petered out because Musharraf got into trouble, He forgets that MMS too became a dead duck. Relations between nations that are carried on by personal love between two leaders are like Italy-Egypt relations when Cleopatra was being serially bonked by Roman kings. In retrospect I wonder how much the Congress party wanted to sleep with Musharraf mainly because he attacked when BJP was in power. The insufferable buffoon that Aiyer is talks about the progress of 2004 to 2007. Why not mention the great progress of 26 November 2008?
The problem is not Mani Shankar Aiyer's frustration at the abject failure of his personal and party policies. The policies were flawed because Pakistan is a problem state and normal policies cannot be followed. The sooner this half wit moves out of public life the better it will be for the country.
LAHORE- . He slammed the police torture on the workers of Pakistan Awami Tehreek and further said that PAT would continue the struggle for bringing revolution in the country. Hassan appreciated the role played by media on showing the true face of Punjab government.Addressing the news conference at the residence of Dr. Tahir-Ul-Qadri, Ch. Pervez Elahi said that Sharif brothers were ruling the country like Mughals and Shahbaz Sharif has done the same as Narendra Modi did with Muslims of Indian Gujarat. Pervez Elahi urged the Punjab police to strictly play their defined role which is to ensure a peaceful and prosperous Pakistan. Pervez said the women killed in Model Town were staging peaceful protest against Punjab government and The Punjab Police opened fire on PAT workers on the orders of Sharif Brothers.He further alleged the Punjab government is initiating a crack down against those political forces who have extended their support for Pakistan’s Armed Forces. He expressed grief over violence against civilians at TMQ secretariat in Model Town Lahore. PML (Q) leaders Raja Basharat, Ch. Zaheer-Ud-Din accompanied Pervez Elahi
Virendra wrote:<snip...> If we put pressure on east, don't all the Af-Pak momins get a chance to unite under 'Islam khatre me hai' banner to protect their brothers?
They'll drop everything, getting a higher cause to fight ...
Why this new myth that we again can't punish TSP since it will let all Pukes get together.
If that is the case, so be it. If TSP deserves a bear hug from India, let it happen. Let all TSPians from all corners come out like roaches to fight on the east, but this should never be a reason for India not to raise the cost of terror acts by Kabila
Never said we can't punish pukis then, I'm all for it. This just increases the difficulty level in the game, thats all.
I have already said that we need a proper formatting and re-boot in Pakistan to purge all the virus, specially on the ideological and institutional dimensions.
Instead of no Pakistan, I'd prefer a beggar Pakistan bent to us on its knees. So we can throw some bread and keep it as a buffer against all churnings of Central Asia, or the western influence thereof. In near future we'll need some space to grow, buffer for safety and a playground as our test lab. Would be good to use Pakistan for all these purposes so we don't trouble our junior allies in the region.
Well well .. all the wet dreams !!
Anujan wrote:Also MSA seems to be upset that Pakistan loves BJP more than Congress. Like it matters.
Fellow used to be so perceptive about Pakistan, wonder what happened to him suddenly.
Moron has spent a lifetime travelling to Shitistan - 32 times in 32 years. Has he been to - say Assam or even Karnataka 32 times in 32 years? The number of times you go does not qualify you to be an expert any more that one man being an expert on toilets because he has crapped more times than anyone else. Too many people think travel to a country makes them more knowledgeable about that country than others. By that reasoning I would suggest that no one should ever consult or believe a doctor because he has never "travelled down the road" by suffering from the disease you have.
Anujan wrote:Also MSA seems to be upset that Pakistan loves BJP more than Congress. Like it matters.
Fellow used to be so perceptive about Pakistan, wonder what happened to him suddenly.
MSA has made himself even more irrelevant now, especially after the "chaiwalla" hit wicket and self goal. He has completely marginalized himself across the board and become an untouchable, even for the kangressis.
It's Modi's bat and ball now. MSA will not be allowed to play under any circumstances.
This is rankling his mean and petty soul.
the f(uk@r believed his own poisonous rhetoric about Modi losing the elections
LAHORE- . He slammed the police torture on the workers of Pakistan Awami Tehreek and further said that PAT would continue the struggle for bringing revolution in the country. Hassan appreciated the role played by media on showing the true face of Punjab government.Addressing the news conference at the residence of Dr. Tahir-Ul-Qadri, Ch. Pervez Elahi said that Sharif brothers were ruling the country like Mughals and Shahbaz Sharif has done the same as Narendra Modi did with Muslims of Indian Gujarat. Pervez Elahi urged the Punjab police to strictly play their defined role which is to ensure a peaceful and prosperous Pakistan. Pervez said the women killed in Model Town were staging peaceful protest against Punjab government and The Punjab Police opened fire on PAT workers on the orders of Sharif Brothers.He further alleged the Punjab government is initiating a crack down against those political forces who have extended their support for Pakistan’s Armed Forces. He expressed grief over violence against civilians at TMQ secretariat in Model Town Lahore. PML (Q) leaders Raja Basharat, Ch. Zaheer-Ud-Din accompanied Pervez Elahi
What is the current official status of the Track-2 diplomacy? Forgive my ignorance on this subject, but was T-2 officially sanctioned by the UPA or was it basically a pressure lobby made of gullible and/or anti-national pappi-jhappi types? Does NaMo have a stated policy on this yet?
T2 diplomacy got a boost during IK Gujral's time when he encouraged cross border jhappi for out of work diplos, journalists and judges. Around that time a loophole was accidentally discovered in the saarc charter where it was found that these buddhijeevis can cross saarc borders without visas. Since I then there has been no looking back and it has acquired a life of its own.
Paul wrote:T2 diplomacy got a boost during IK Gujral's time when he encouraged cross border jhappi for out of work diplos, journalists and judges. Around that time a loophole was accidentally discovered in the saarc charter where it was found that these buddhijeevis can cross saarc borders without visas. Since I then there has been no looking back and it has acquired a life of its own.
This is all part of the termite piss process. Eating away from within.
What the pukis really want and expect is for Modi to declare unilaterally that cashmere belongs to the pukis, by using his clear mandate to run roughshod over the Indian janta. That is what they mean by decisive leadership
Modi is a poor, patriotic but effective and authoritative man in a rich democratic country and sharief is a rich ineffective man in a piss poor autocratic country. This distinction seems to be lost on many.
Having got cashmere, they will then get on with pisfully claiming the rest of India. Their sense of entitlement is pathetic, this feeling having been nurtured by the amrekis for decades on end.
There is a video in the page. Man Pakiland is awash with guns! Random police abduls are shooting into the crowd with AK47s!
Also remember that gullu butt fella, the one in the photo, who went all don bradman on the car? Apparently he was leading the police attack on the crowd! Just like Soviet Russia and the Commissars, Nawaz seems to have embedded some PML-N characters inside the police.
There is a video in the page. Man Pakiland is awash with guns! Random police abduls are shooting into the crowd with AK47s!
Also remember that gullu butt fella, the one in the photo, who went all don bradman on the car? Apparently he was leading the police attack on the crowd! Just like Soviet Russia and the Commissars, Nawaz seems to have embedded some PML-N characters inside the police.
Amazing. The standard issue to abdul cops in Pakiland seems to be an AK-47 , unlike the poor SDRE pandas who will have to make do with 0.303 bolt action Lee Enfields copied at Icchapore even in 99% of lethal situations and that too open fire only under strict orders and subject to magister's orders and review. Automatic weapons are issued out only to special police forces who deal with situations when the bad guys have automatic weapons!
Also, am at work, so couldn't crank up the volume on the video. Did I hear Ya Ali, Ya Ali in the video ? Isn't that a direct causes belli for a bull cattle ?
Pakistan:The nation in partial lock down. The government has tightened security nationwide, according to Pakistani media, as a precaution during the continuing counter-terrorism operations. Selected Army units have deployed to key locations in all major cities so they can act as Quick Response Forces to back up police and paramilitary forces in an emergency.
Metal detectors, body screening machines and closed circuit televisions have been installed at all major prisons. Guard forces have been reinforced. Near the Karachi central jail, for example, the Pakistan Army has deployed an armored unit to deter what the media call "a militant backlash."
The government has advised foreigners and UN staffers to limit their movement in Islamabad for the next three days and to stay away from popular shopping areas because of the threat of terrorist attacks. They also have been asked to stay in the federal capital.
Military and paramilitary forces have tightened security along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border to prevent terrorists from fleeing into Pakistan. Pakistan asked the Afghan National Army and Afghan Border Police to seal the border on their side and to engage any terrorists who try to flee, especially into Konar and Nuristan provinces of Afghanistan.
Comment: With the onset of the anti-terror operations, the Pakistani Taliban warned foreigners to leave Pakistan or risk becoming targets. The extra precautions at prisons throughout the country mean that the government has intelligence that Pakistani Taliban groups intend to attempt jail breaks to free fellow fighters.
The measures constitute a security lock down of the most likely targets for terrorist attacks. They are significant because they feature extensive, if not unprecedented, coordination among the Army, the various paramilitary forces and the police in each province and in the major cities. Improved coordination might reflect lessons learned from the operations at Karachi international airport in which Army units in coordination with the various police forces limited the attack and prevented an aircraft hijacking.
Security authorities apparently judge the next three days to be the window for the Pakistani Taliban to retaliate.
In combat action, the armed forces reported having killed 187 terrorists since the operations began. Air strikes killed most. Eight Pakistani security forces have died in the fighting in North Waziristan Agency.
Success in North Waziristan depends heavily on operational security. Almost all past operations in the tribal agencies have been compromised by operational leaks or undermined by Taliban sympathizers in the security forces and in Pakistani intelligence.
Anujan wrote:Also remember that gullu butt fella, the one in the photo, who went all don bradman on the car? Apparently he was leading the police attack on the crowd! Just like Soviet Russia and the Commissars, Nawaz seems to have embedded some PML-N characters inside the police.
On Tuesday, TV cameras had captured a man damaging vehicles in Model Town Lahore in the presence of police. The man was later identified as Gullu Butt alias Sher-i-Lahore, known to be a police tout in Model Town.
Police Tout in Model Town - the next lollywood extravaganza.
I think it means "informer" or "snitch". But hey! this is TSP it could mean someone who goes around praising the police.
Your guess is as good as mine. I think you can blame this on the semi-literate paki reporter (are there any other kind?). He probably translated a phrase from erdoo into pinglish - "policewallon ka dallah". Those of us who are old enough to remember buying Rs 3.60 balcony movie tickets in black from "dallahs" or brokers outside movie halls in the '70s will know what I am talking about.
Muhammad Javed from Daska said that he planned to go to Germany. He said that it was painful to get the certificate at the DHO office after traveling 35 kilomteres from Daska.
Sakeena Bibi, 47, of Pasrur, traveled 72 km to get the polio vaccination certificate in such hot and humid weather. She said that getting the polio vaccination certificate was more difficult than getting visa to Europe or America. Bashir Iqbal came from Sambrial, 25 km from Sailkot, for this purpose.The people urged the government to make some extra points to help the people. They said the government should establish such points at tehsils.
He added that the department needed more than 30,000 polio doses per month while the provincial government had provided just 12,000 dozes to them.
The sizzling, muggy weather has badly affected the crops of seasonal vegetables in the Sialkot region due to which there is a shortage of the vegetables. Traders, vendors and retailers have increased the rates of the vegetables, which have become unbearable for the common people.In the local open markets, vendors are selling tomato at Rs45 per kilogramme (kg), ginger Rs360 and potato Rs55.
Though Sialkot district officials are visiting the local fruits and vegetables markets to check the auctions of fruits and vegetables there, their visits have not provided relief to the people.
The legacy of the Vajpayee government, in particular the great “emotional breakthrough” of his visiting the Shaheed Minar to signal his party’s definitive acceptance of Pakistan, quite overwhelms any recall of Vajpayee’s mobilising a million jawans along the Pakistan border for a whole year or the collapse of the Agra talks.
The read end of a pig has forgotten all about Pakistan's Perfidy by the KARGIL response to Manya Shri Atal Behari Vajpayee Ji's Mission of Peace!
So
My apologies to All in General and the Mods in Particular, for my following Polite message to MSA - although I would like to respond with a much more Rude message, and would request them to delete the following part of the post should they so desire :
I think it means "informer" or "snitch". But hey! this is TSP it could mean someone who goes around praising the police.
anupmisra wrote:Your guess is as good as mine. I think you can blame this on the semi-literate paki reporter (are there any other kind?). He probably translated a phrase from erdoo into pinglish - "policewallon ka dallah". Those of us who are old enough to remember buying Rs 3.60 balcony movie tickets in black from "dallahs" or brokers outside movie halls in the '70s will know what I am talking about.
anupmisra Ji :
The use of the term "dullah" by the denizens of the Land of the Pure and Home of the Terrorist is for the providers of "Female or even boys'" temporary company on Rent i.e. Pakistani International Medical Practitioners.
