Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr 2014

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 20 Jun 2014 23:59

Friday cometh ! Dhamaka in Islamabad injures 39, 7 critically. So much for the "door-to-door mop up" operation which was supposed to start this week !

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Jun 2014 01:35

The Taliban in Waziristan are locals aka Pakiban. They are called TTP and comprise of Meshud tribe among others. Why would they trouble their own folks?
OTH Pakistan Apostate Army (PAA) will ravage and rape the Meshuds under guise of killing TTP. So best option is to flee.

The CD is due to naming convention. US and TSP call every one Taliban when they come in two flavors: Taliban interested in Afghan and Pakiban interested in Islamabad.
The former are called 'good' Taliban and the latter "bad" Taliban.

From Indian interests both are bad but if given a choice the reverse is acceptable for anyone who wants to takeover Islamabad from PAA must be good Muslims!!!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Jun 2014 01:37

kancha wrote:Blast at Islamabad shrine wounds at least 39

...The blast took place at the shine of Nange Badshah next to the famous Chan Pir Badsah shrine in Pindorian neighbourhood on the outskirts of Islamabad.

The likely terrorist attack took place on second day of the three-day annual Mela (festival).

The nature of the blast could not yet be verified but Chief Commissioner Paul told Dawn.com that initial probe into the incident suggests it was carried out through a time device as the bomb was likely planted inside a tree at the shrine.

So many haram words.

Shiv for you to de-construct all those descriptors!!!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Jun 2014 06:21

There are no good Taliban: Kamal Davar

The writer, a retired lieutenant general, was India’s first defence intelligence chief.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Jun 2014 06:36

abhishek_sharma wrote:There are no good Taliban: Kamal Davar

The writer, a retired lieutenant general, was India’s first defence intelligence chief.

Pakis have made "ulloos"/jackasses of Americans for so long that I believe that they will keep on trying to fake it and pretend that they have changed. Having fooled the greatest power on earth, it matters little what anyone else says. With respect to Lt Gen Davar I do not believe for one minute that Pakis will change at their core that easily. The Paki army and government are now one large criminal enterprise and we need to see them that way. they have lied and pretended for so long that hey have acquired international legitimacy.

I don't want to digress too far off topic - but even law abiding nations can gradually go down a path that is difficult to reverse and I am referring to America and its gun laws. Because guns are seen as "freedom" and the people need to hold "power of consent" over government - the USA is chock-a-block with small arms. Every supporter of gun ownership in the US speaks from an arrogant position of power where they say they have the power to oppose government if the government errs. In response the police forces are equipping themselves with armoured cars and Special Forces like SWAT teams. So the US is gradually edging towards a not so happy society where some classes of people find the going tough. But everything is the US has been perfectly legitimate and following the rules they have made for themselves. The same has already true of Pakistan. Only some classes of Pakis find it tough. The power brokers of Pakistan, the army and elite are absolutely safe and fine.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 21 Jun 2014 08:27

Ambar wrote:Friday cometh ! Dhamaka in Islamabad injures 39, 7 critically. So much for the "door-to-door mop up" operation which was supposed to start this week !

That was the door to door mop operation, right on time.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 21 Jun 2014 09:19

This is not a parody account, mind you!

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 21 Jun 2014 10:13

member_28173 · Post by **member_28173** » 21 Jun 2014 12:06

SSridhar wrote:
KrishnaK wrote:How can it be not our duty ? How exactly can India's neighbourhood be kept secure ? With them having acquired nukes our ability to punish them has also gone down substantially. This idea that we can build some fence and then be secure is kinda bullshit. There is no other option. A way must be found.
KrishnaK, take a deep breath. I am not bull$hitting. I agree with your macro view that member nations of the Indian subcontinent must be tied into the Indian economy. In fact, that is *one of the the levers* we have to use with Pakistan as well. But, IMHO, it cannot come about by simply appeasing Pakistan, by allowing freer contacts, by unilateral Indian decisions of friendship or concessions, by letting it go unpunished for its crimes against us etc. Those are self-defeating and history repeatedly shows they are doomed to failure. There is no one silver bullet to tame Pakistan and turn it into a normal nation state. Pakistan itself does not wish to be so. Powerful countries have conspired to make it remain abnormal and abominable. However, Pakistan cannot arrest its unending slide without help from India. That is the bottom line. Neither China nor US can do that for it. Nor, the friends from the Desert. If that has to happen, Pakistan must be yearning for that and also earn the Indian hand. Let us tighten the screw ever more tightly on Pakistan. The US and PRC can keep Pakistan's jaws bobbing just above the water and if that is what Pakistan wants then so be it. In the meanwhile, let us consolidate our position with Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Oman, Iran and Afghanistan.
Even the mighty Soviet Union fell. Ideology can only go so far. .
Exactly. Our efforts must be to hasten the fall of Pakistan, as Gen. Schwarzkof said in another context. But, that is not going to be achieved through enrolling the Pakistani Abduls on our payroll because such attempts have come a cropper in situations that were more conducive than they are now or will ever be in future.

Please add my favourite - Burma

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Jun 2014 12:12

anmol wrote:

They keep studying P..k even when they are funding P,,,k and army for the last 70 year. More than 70B
almost 1B per year.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Jun 2014 12:15

Different goal for itself winning and losing

What a great quote!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Jun 2014 12:17

They are waiting for Border fairy which will come and help P...k and solve the border problem

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Jun 2014 12:37

Why would they study the source of the P army officers. They are trying to create a image of monolothic army and one country
This is like they have been giving advice to P army and the country , funding them and then studying them!

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 21 Jun 2014 13:06

>>They are waiting for Border fairy which will come

They did, in the shape of Brian Cloughley and Eric whatever... but unfortunately, no banana from India.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 21 Jun 2014 15:35

Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!....sounds like an election rally.

Loadshedding to end within four years

loadshedding would come to an end within three to four years with the addition 11,000 megawatts

the country is currently enduring its "peak power shortfall" of 4,500 MW

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 21 Jun 2014 15:40

Discrimination! pakophobia! Australia offers Pakistani asylum-seekers $3k to return home: report

Australia is offering Pakistani asylum-seekers in its Pacific immigration camps up to Australian $3,300 if they voluntarily return to their home country

those returning to Lebanon from detention centres on Papua New Guinea's Manus Island and the tiny Pacific state of Nauru were offered the highest amount of $10,000

Iranians and Sudanese were given $7,000

Nepal and Myanmar $3,300

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 21 Jun 2014 16:15

The west is doing it all reverse. They nurture the snakes first, and then come about studying them.
What could be a greater delusion !!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Jun 2014 17:39

anmol wrote:

Listen to a Paki having his ass ripped open from here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... uls#t=4149

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jun 2014 18:17

chandturakhia wrote:Please add my favourite - Burma

Yes, of course. Missed by oversight. Myanmar has to be very close to us. The Chinese traders from the Yunnan province are exercising a disproportionate influence and the Chinese deep pocket is doing enormous damage as well. We have to reverse the trend through concerted efforts. OT here.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 21 Jun 2014 19:00

Listen to a Paki having his ass ripped open from here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... uls#t=4149

LOL, that is called 'tearing a new one'. Must say that burst from C. Fair is the finest retort i have come across from an American on the K issue particularly the Paki stand and mindless clamor on 'plebiscite'. What amazes me is how many years and how many times we have posted those resolutions here, how many times we have quoted, argued, said, yelled that Paki's never fulfilled their part of the primary resolutions..and yet it takes the American Think Tank circuit 7 decades to produce ONE person to speak with truth and clarity on this matter like this.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 21 Jun 2014 19:04

Yes, an excellent and honest exposition by C. Fair. Brutally honest, and I especially liked the brutal part - small blessing considering the out and out oiseaule she had to her left, David something or other, who basically said everything she said is right but they must keep engaging with Pakistan because it has something vague to offer and because there's no better option or something of that nature...

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Jun 2014 19:13

^^^ C.C. Fair's Heritage Foundation talk: - this really belongs on the US thread - I find it utterly revealing that the US thinks levying personal sanctions against then-Gujarat CM Narendra Modi, and against Putin's associates (for Ukraine) is acceptable and effective; but the former US government officials on the Heritage panel are so resistant to the idea of personal sanctions against Pakistani officials responsible for the killing of American soldiers in Afghanistan.

PS: now the excuse for engaging with the Pakistani Army is simply "to keep nuclear weapons from the hands of terrorists".

PPS: the simple question to any American official ought to be -- if you accept C.C. Fair's statement that anything anti-US Iran aspires to do, Pakistan has already done, then why is US not treating Pakistan like Iran (or treat Iran like Pakistan)?

PPPS: I will be really surprised if C.C. Fair gets tenure at Georgetown University -- she is stepping on too many US sacred toes.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 21 Jun 2014 19:30

..and all said and done, the talking heads behind the high desk all nodded in unison that US must continue to engage with Pakistan because a failed Pakistan with nukes would be catastrophic. So its old wine in a new bottle. The only bit which interests me is was the notion that off late India has started to look at its Pakistan policy through US' prism, and US must use this position to further its interest in the region. I think we can thank MMS and his coterie for that.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Jun 2014 19:43

Ambar wrote:..and all said and done, the talking heads behind the high desk all nodded in unison that US must continue to engage with Pakistan because a failed Pakistan with nukes would be catastrophic. So its old wine in a new bottle. The only bit which interests me is was the notion that off late India has started to look at its Pakistan policy through US' prism, and US must use this position to further its interest in the region. I think we can thank MMS and his coterie for that.

True. But the world moves slowly. The Pakistani army will now have to ask for money by faking a terrorist attack aimed at stealing nukes. If they are too steady and appear too secure, then the US will get comfortable and funds will dry up.

I think India can help here..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Jun 2014 19:50

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ C.C. Fair's Heritage Foundation talk: - this really belongs on the US thread - I find it utterly revealing that the US thinks levying personal sanctions against then-Gujarat CM Narendra Modi, and against Putin's associates (for Ukraine) is acceptable and effective; but the former US government officials on the Heritage panel are so resistant to the idea of personal sanctions against Pakistani officials responsible for the killing of American soldiers in Afghanistan.

PS: now the excuse for engaging with the Pakistani Army is simply "to keep nuclear weapons from the hands of terrorists".

PPS: the simple question to any American official ought to be -- if you accept C.C. Fair's statement that anything anti-US Iran aspires to do, Pakistan has already done, then why is US not treating Pakistan like Iran (or treat Iran like Pakistan)?

PPPS: I will be really surprised if C.C. Fair gets tenure at Georgetown University -- she is stepping on too many US sacred toes.

Pak state is totally dependent on the identity of the Pak Apostate Army (PAA). If US kicks them it collapses the state as one A(Amrika) kicks the other A(Army) and the remaining A(Allah) takes over.

Hence its US interest to keep the pretense the Kabila guards are a legitimate entity.

MMS love for Pak was under US nasha (of No Bull Prize) to prop up the Army.

NaMO has no such illusions as he is PNG to Democrats in power in US.
The Republicans already hate him for banning tribal conversions in Gujarat.
So finally an Indian leader can lead in Indian interests.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jun 2014 19:53

shiv wrote:Listen to a Paki having his ass ripped open from here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... uls#t=4149

Superlative. Who is that guy to Ms. Fair's left who 'admits' to US mistakes etc and wants to bring some 'balance' to ass ripping? Apparently, he is an ex-diplomat in Islamabad. It is such guys who have helped Pakistan immeasurably.

On another question on Afghanistan. I do not quite agree with Ms. Fair on the Durand Line issue. Abdur Rehman might have initialled it with the Raj and Pakistan might have inherited the British legacy. But, the agreement itself was for 99 years and it expired c. 1993. Besides, the dividing line was drawn without paying any heed to tribal and clannish ethnicities etc. It cruelly divided the Pakhtuns just so that the British can have a buffer on the north-west of its Raj. They (mis)ruled these areas through the FC Regulations. Just before the Indian Independence, Kabul demanded the Raj to return the Pakhtun lands to it, which was not acceded to by the British. Not willing to join Pakistan, and not being allowed to re-join Afghanistan, the Pakhtuns settled for 'Pashtunistan' under the leadership of Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan. Jinnah and the Muslim League organized a Gilgit-Baltistan style of coup in the FATA through the Pir of Manki Sharief to get the concurrence of the 'Jirga' to accede to Pakistan. An infuriated Afghanistan instigated the tribals to attack Pakistan and this led to frequent skirmishes along the Durand Line. After a particularly strong skirmish, the PAF bombed an Afghan village in 1949 that led to the repudiation by Kabul of the Durand Line. So, it is incorrect for Ms. Fair to imply that Kabul has been up to mischief in these areas to poke in Pakistani eyes with help from India and Pakistan is innocent. Ms. Fair knows that even the pro-Pakistan Taliban refused point-blank to convert the Durand Line to an international border. So, it is just not a mischief by Mohammed Daoud Khan and others alone.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 21 Jun 2014 19:55

On a side note Dr. C Fair called Rand corp as "Bland" corp.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Jun 2014 20:47

ramana wrote: Pak state is totally dependent on the identity of the Pak Apostate Army. If US kicks them it collapses the state as one A(Amrika) kicks the other A(Army) and the remaining A(Allah) takes over.

Hence its US interest to keep the pretense the Kabila guards are a legitimate entity.

The American sanction was against Narendra Modi, not against the BJP or RSS. Likewise, putting sanctions on specific Pakistani officers will not make the Kabila guards collapse.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Jun 2014 21:49

Australia offers Pakistani asylum-seekers $3k to return home: report

SYDNEY: Australia is offering Pakistani asylum-seekers in its Pacific immigration camps up to Australian $3,300 if they voluntarily return to their home country, a report said Saturday, prompting outrage from refugee campaigners.

Iranians and Sudanese were given $7,000 if they dropped bids for refugee status, Afghans $4,000 and those from Pakistan, Nepal and Myanmar $3,300, the report in The Sydney Morning Herald said.

Cheers

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Jun 2014 22:42

My thoughts on Fair didi:

1. She is quite sharp, but way too talkative and shall we say undiplomatic to the seasoned campaigners like the guy to her left, Uneven etc. So while they know what she is saying is true, but not politically correct, they won't diss her as a "radical" given that she is one of their own cutie, cuddly chic; but she doesn't have much chance to enter the big league

2. A_GuptaJi asks the question I have directly asked the uneven types, namely, what crime has Iran committed that TSP has not, for all this diplomatic rain dance about the need to engage TSP and give it billions, and other than contemptuously dismissing me, or asking why if MMS engages TSP, US should not, I never got a good answer.

3. Nobody questions the real policy of US, namely India TSP equal equal, and hence the "need to engage TSP" from the likes of Uneven. Somebody should ask Fair that.

4. Finally, for all of Fair's eloquence, she still believes that India is in Afghanistan, not because India has interests there, India has civilizational roots, India has a right, and above all, to help Afghans from radical Islamists; but rather India is just there to "provoke" TSP. That to me is a pitiful reading of India's intentions.

ArunK · Post by **ArunK** » 21 Jun 2014 22:44

JE Menon wrote:Yes, an excellent and honest exposition by C. Fair. Brutally honest, and I especially liked the brutal part - small blessing considering the out and out oiseaule she had to her left, David something or other, who basically said everything she said is right but they must keep engaging with Pakistan because it has something vague to offer and because there's no better option or something of that nature...

The oiseuale in question is

David Sedney
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Central Asia

http://www.defense.gov/bios/biographyde ... aphyid=195

Look at the frigging awards he has won!!!!! It is people like this who need to be discredited and rooted out. By the way, did anyone else notice he has Tourette syndrome?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Jun 2014 23:04

SSridhar wrote:(quote="shiv")Listen to a Paki having his ass ripped open from here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 49(/quote)
Superlative. Who is that guy to Ms. Fair's left who 'admits' to US mistakes etc and wants to bring some 'balance' to ass ripping? Apparently, he is an ex-diplomat in Islamabad. It is such guys who have helped Pakistan immeasurably.

On another question on Afghanistan. I do not quite agree with Ms. Fair on the Durand Line issue. Abdur Rehman might have initialled it with the Raj and Pakistan might have inherited the British legacy. But, the agreement itself was for 99 years and it expired c. 1993. Besides, the dividing line was drawn without paying any heed to tribal and clannish ethnicities etc. It cruelly divided the Pakhtuns just so that the British can have a buffer on the north-west of its Raj. They (mis)ruled these areas through the FC Regulations. Just before the Indian Independence, Kabul demanded the Raj to return the Pakhtun lands to it, which was not acceded to by the British. Not willing to join Pakistan, and not being allowed to re-join Afghanistan, the Pakhtuns settled for 'Pashtunistan' under the leadership of Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan. Jinnah and the Muslim League organized a Gilgit-Baltistan style of coup in the FATA through the Pir of Manki Sharief to get the concurrence of the 'Jirga' to accede to Pakistan. An infuriated Afghanistan instigated the tribals to attack Pakistan and this led to frequent skirmishes along the Durand Line. After a particularly strong skirmish, the PAF bombed an Afghan village in 1949 that led to the repudiation by Kabul of the Durand Line. So, it is incorrect for Ms. Fair to imply that Kabul has been up to mischief in these areas to poke in Pakistani eyes with help from India and Pakistan is innocent. Ms. Fair knows that even the pro-Pakistan Taliban refused point-blank to convert the Durand Line to an international border. So, it is just not a mischief by Mohammed Daoud Khan and others alone.

Also Pashtuns east of Durand line and West of Indus are mostly Ghilzai and look towards Delhi.

Abdur Rehman, a Durrani, got rid of his trouble makers. Later Afghans like Daoud Khan realized the loss of geography and tried to get the land back.

I really would like to see the Viceroy Study Group papers for all these wars stem from ideas in that WWII gang.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Jun 2014 23:54

CRamS wrote: 2. A_GuptaJi asks the question I have directly asked the uneven types, namely, what crime has Iran committed that TSP has not, for all this diplomatic rain dance about the need to engage TSP and give it billions, and other than contemptuously dismissing me, or asking why if MMS engages TSP, US should not, I never got a good answer.

There is answer for this.

3. Nobody questions the real policy of US, namely India TSP equal equal, and hence the "need to engage TSP" from the likes of Uneven. Somebody should ask Fair that.

It has helped US geo political interest. It is a complex policy and need long discussion

4. Finally, for all of Fair's eloquence, she still believes that India is in Afghanistan, not because India has interests there, India has civilizational roots, India has a right, and above all, to help Afghans from radical Islamists; but rather India is just there to "provoke" TSP. That to me is a pitiful reading of India's intentions.

Trying to show fairness is difficult

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Jun 2014 02:18

CRamS wrote: 2. A_GuptaJi asks the question I have directly asked the uneven types, namely, what crime has Iran committed that TSP has not, for all this diplomatic rain dance about the need to engage TSP and give it billions, and other than contemptuously dismissing me, or asking why if MMS engages TSP, US should not, I never got a good answer.

Now, you can ask "Georgetown Univ. Prof C. Christine Fair, "one of your own", said TSP has committed all the anti-US stuff that Iran only aspires to, etc...." The great importance of the above is not that C. Christine Fair has uncovered some new truth, but that someone that looks like the US State Dept. is saying this.

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 22 Jun 2014 02:25

The reason why Pakistan is favored and not Iran despite the obvious difference in behavior is this(iMO)- the US defence industry can stlll keep supplying weapons, war planes and military equipment to Pakistan at US taxpayer expense, but not to Iran. Iran has been demonized so much for 2 generations in the US public's mind that US defence industry and US govt can't simply switch their gravy train's destination from Pakistan to Iran.

Any estimates of how many billions western defence industry earns because Pak Army is still acceptable to the US public? How many DC thinktanks and their experts' roti comes from the US defence industry's patronage?

kish · Post by **kish** » 22 Jun 2014 03:03

pgbhat wrote:On a side note Dr. C Fair called Rand corp as "Bland" corp.

That's personal feud. Couple of years back, C.Fair was excluded from a Rand corp's "discussion group". She had a public spat with them on Social Media for a few days & sent a twitter resignation (i guess)

. They called her "Unprofessional", she called them "anti-feminist".

I thoroughly enjoyed that spat, because at that time she was pro-pakistan.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jun 2014 05:22

kish wrote:I thoroughly enjoyed that spat, because at that time she was pro-pakistan.

At that time, she was pro-pakjabi (and by extension, pro-pakistani). Even knows how to curse in Punjabi. Since then, I guess, after she was left high and dry at the "altar" by a punjabi, she has hated every pakjabi (and by extension, every Pakistani).

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jun 2014 05:27

Meanwhile, back at the zoo, the chief simian wants ‘giant’ national flag hoisted in Islamabad to match the evil Yindoos.

Seized with patriotic fervour, the federal government has ordered the Capital Development Authority (CDA) to install a 541-square-foot flag on a 200-foot pole in the federal capital

“The idea to have a massive flag erected in the city is possibly inspired by New Delhi’s monumental flagpole, measuring 207 feet, which the prime minister saw on his recent visit to India,” said an official of the CDA.

But, there's a hiccup.

However, technical experts from the civic body are perplexed as no one seems to have any experience or expertise to guide the development and installation of a 200-foot flagpole.

Damn you, evil Yindoos. Next act of baki senate is to commission a giant statue of djinna to match the in India.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 22 Jun 2014 05:36

It's a tricky business raising flagpoles. they should talk to Mexico. They've raised huge flagpoles in all the border cities along the US. This has struck fear and apprehension in the state of Texas. So India needs to very concerned about Pakistan raising flagpoles. They could collapse and crossover the border providing an illegal immigration route to India.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jun 2014 06:03

anupmisra wrote:Meanwhile, back at the zoo, the chief simian wants ‘giant’ national flag hoisted in Islamabad to match the evil Yindoos.

Seized with patriotic fervour, the federal government has ordered the Capital Development Authority (CDA) to install a 541-square-foot flag on a 200-foot pole in the federal capital. . .“The idea to have a massive flag erected in the city is possibly inspired by New Delhi’s monumental flagpole, measuring 207 feet, which the prime minister saw on his recent visit to India,” said an official of the CDA.
Damn you, evil Yindoos. Next act of baki senate is to commission a giant statue of djinna to match the in India.

Both the flagpole and the statue in the simian land

must be at least a foot taller than similar things in India. Otherwise, where is the H&D?