Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr 2014

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 25 Jun 2014 01:26

^^^
She must have been a polio worker and Ghazi instinct tookover. It is all due to Amrika's fault. Extremists form an insignificant minority in Pakistan (1/170).

More serious question is how did the Baki manage to get a gun through Riyadh? Were the Saudis also using dipstick technology for detection?

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 25 Jun 2014 01:42

More details in this report

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/ ... HK20140624

The plane didn't even land when it was fired upon. It is not an easy thing to fire with accuracy at a moving airplane that is still on air (high speed) unless the attacker(s) were sophisticated. I wonder what firearms they used.

Flight PK 756 was carrying 178 passengers travelling from Saudi Arabia when it came under attack as it was preparing to land, policeman Asghar Khan said at the airport.

The plane was hit by six bullets, police said, killing the Pakistani woman and narrowly missing the captain. At least one bullet struck the plane's engine, police said.

"The captain of the plane had narrowly escaped," he said. "It would have been a disaster had he been hit."

No foreign airline would want to operate flights to Peshawar, even if they continue to fly to other Paki airports.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 25 Jun 2014 01:52

Wonder if this is a Shia-Sunni fight taken to targets in the air....the flight came from Saudi Arabia.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Jun 2014 01:58

Neela wrote:Wonder if this is a Shia-Sunni fight taken to targets in the air....the flight came from Saudi Arabia.

Must be the eye-ranians. They could sense that the plane was full of sunnis.

The question is whether the plane was pressurized or not. If it was landing and was hit from the ground with gunfire, that can depressurize the plane very fast, can it not? Any airplane gurus here? According to Yawn! klicky hiyar, the plane was hit by six bullets. But here's best part:

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Information Minister Shah Farman told DawnNews that it was difficult to ascertain as to from where the aircraft was being fired upon. He said that firing incidents like this are usual occurrence in the area.

AoA, with all those weddings and celebratory AK-phyrs...

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 25 Jun 2014 02:14

Sometimes while driving through NH8 Delhi -Gurgaon i see planes coming in to land just above the highway. I see this in several cities across India the the world. And i always thought it is so easy for someone to get away with a few shots, and some places may be a RPG would be enough to down the AC. So i think Peshawar some Yahoo generally wanted to see what happens if he fires that AK thing lying in the back of his pick up and fire it at the descending Airbus. I see nothing more than that. JMT/

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 25 Jun 2014 02:17

anupmisra wrote: The question is whether the plane was pressurized or not. If it was landing and was hit from the ground with gunfire, that can depressurize the plane very fast, can it not?

Explosive decompression can happen at higher altitudes where the outside air pressure is much lower than that inside the aircraft cabin. Since this aircraft was landing, it would have been at too low an altitude for bullet holes to cause explosive decompression.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Jun 2014 02:17

RCase wrote:^^^
She must have been a polio worker and Ghazi instinct tookover. It is all due to Amrika's fault. Extremists form an insignificant minority in Pakistan (1/170).More serious question is how did the Baki manage to get a gun through Riyadh? Were the Saudis also using dipstick technology for detection?

The flight did not bring the more "light/Fire " of Islam instead it was carrying Kuffar objects.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Jun 2014 02:20

Some people have no sense of scale or implied perspective. Here's an "established" paki RAPETTE who still believes that the neighborhood they live in is turning dangerous and may have severe consequences on their benighted land. In other words, "we are fine...its you that's the problem".

Dealing with regional uncertainty
Dr Maleeha Lodhi

Recent developments in the wider region and in Pakistan’s neighbourhood have important implications for the country’s security and will need to be carefully evaluated to effectively deal with any of their destabilising effects.

The danger of regional instability has been heightened by the crisis in Iraq

Closer to home, a political storm is brewing in Afghanistan following the presidential run-off election whose credibility has been challenged by allegations of ballot fraud. This has raised fears of instability at a time when Afghanistan has crucial transitions to navigate

Pakistan’s eastern front, there is uncertainty about how relations will evolve with India under a Narendra Modi-led government.

One, the geo-strategic environment around us is in flux.

Pakistan obviously cannot shape regional outcomes by itself. It can seek to influence outcomes.

So what can the democratic hukumarans of bakiland do?

the only way Pakistan can deal with a complicated regional scenario is by securing itself at home, and pursuing a coherent and consistent policy to achieve that

Lady, your house is on fire and your insurance has run out, and you are worried about your neighbor's house? Get real.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Jun 2014 02:24

Typical kuffar reporting. It should be:

3 out of six bissful phlying Ijlamic pullets were destroyed by a recklessly-operated fat havaii-kuffar over holy Ijlamic land

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Jun 2014 03:05

UlanBatori wrote:Typical kuffar reporting. It should be:
3 out of six bissful phlying Ijlamic pullets were destroyed by a recklessly-operated fat havaii-kuffar over holy Ijlamic land

Only djinns and houris have the right to fly per al-kitap. Anyway, with this quality of repair:

kilik

The 77W lost in Krachi, the Emirates incident, and so on we will only have djinns soon, aj all tayyaras will have met their houris.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 04:07

Rony wrote:Bruce Riedel An Impossible Partnership?: Pakistan, America and the Future of South Asia

Transcript from around @17:56 "The third factor, after the state within a state, and the obsession with India is that Pakistan carries the very unique attribute of being both a patron state sponsor of terrorism -- I would argue probably the leading patron state sponsor of terrorism in the world -- and a victim of terror at the same time. Pakistan supports groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba, the group that attacked Mumbai in November 2008. It doesn't support groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba; as Dan knows better than almost anyone, it **runs** Lashkar-e-Taiba. Or to put it more accurate, the Army, the ISI, the Lashkar-e-Taiba are one entity, that is entwined, deeply. We know that from the Mumbai attack. We have the confession of the Pakistani-American David Headley, who was involved in all the planning of the attack, and he tells us in detail how the ISI, Lashkar-e-Taiba were working together. "

"But that's not the only group. Jaish-e-Muhammad, Hizbul Mujahiddin, the Afghan Taliban, the Haqqani network -- these are all instruments of the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate. They control their safe havens, they control their media outlets, they provide them with assistance and funding, and assistance in getting weapons. For example, the head of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a man who has a $10 million bounty on his head, isn't hiding in Pakistan; he is on Pakistani television once a week. He routinely comes on Pakistani television and says, "Hey CIA, you looking for me? Channel 45, here I am! And tomorrow I'll be live on channel -- whatever."

"And yet, at the same time, somewhere around 50,000 Pakistanis have died in militant-related violence in Pakistan since 2001. That is the Pakistani code word for terrorism."

PS: around 32:00, Reidel points out that the US Congress, which is on a budget-cutting spree, routinely passes aid for Pakistan without a debate. As he put it, even the Tea Party votes for aid for Pakistan.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 04:34

^^^ Bruce Reidel says that Pakistan's Afghan policy is run by Army Chief and ISI Chief. Their intent is revealed by a set of successful attacks on international election monitors, forcing them to withdraw -- the goal is to delegitimize the Afghan elections. Reidel says that it is a sophisticated strategy, and could not have originated with Mullah Omar, it has to be ISI, Army.

Reidel and co-host point to two proud US achievements in Afghanistan:
1. In the last 10 years, Afghan life expectancy has increased by 20 years.
2. In 2001, under the Taliban, 100,000 Afghan children went to school, 100% of them boys. Today 9 million Afghan children go to school, 4 million of them girls.

Of course, the sub-text is that Pakistan is out to sabotage all of this.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Jun 2014 04:41

http://www.rferl.mobi/a/north-waziristan/25433647.html
An Eyewitness Account of Pakistan's War in North Waziristan

The current operation, however, has so far failed to convince North Waziristan's residents that Islamabad is sincere or capable of ridding the region from local and foreign extremists. For them, the offensive only represents unspeakable misery and suffering.

The operation was apparently concentrated in a 60-kilometer stretch between Mir Ali and the village of Datta Khel, west of Miran Shah. Pakistani troops were visible everywhere in this region, but more surprising was the presence of Taliban who appeared to be unaffected by the military operation and were visible everywhere.

We tried hard to probe the impact of Pakistani air strikes. In interviews with dozens of North Waziristan residents, including those in villages targeted by sorties, it became apparent that few militants were killed in the aerial bombing strikes, and most victims were civilians.

So far, nearly half a million residents have fled the offensive. Some have moved west into the southeastern Afghan provinces of Khost and Paktika, while others have gone east to Bannu and other regions in Pakistan.

They are just clearing the bad Taliban to make space for good Taliban.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2014 05:00

Jhujar wrote:SC rules to keep Mush name on ECL
Monday brought a great disappointment for former president and army chief Pervez Musharraf as the Supreme Court, accepting the federation’s appeal, suspended Sindh High Court order to remove his name from the Exit Control List (ECL).

ISn't this supposed to be a trigger point for a coup by Gen. Raheel Shareif? Or, is the 111 Infantry Brigade busy in North Waziristan?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 05:02

^^^ In a question from the audience about the effect of a Modi government -- Riedels says that let's wait to see what Modi does, not come to a preset conclusion that he is a Muslim-hating Hindu nationalist out to start World War III.

Riedel says, Modi's main interest is to get Indian economic growth back to double digits, and not on foreign policy. He says, the key question is what will happen when -- when, not if, Reidel emphasizes -- there is another terrorist attack on India. Modi will not likely exercise the cautious restraint shown by Vajpayee and Manmohan Singh. He says - my reading of the Indian body politic is that their tolerance level is now down to zero. There will be a much more muscular response from India and "if that doesn't keep you up at night, I don't know what keeps people from sleeping well."

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 25 Jun 2014 05:20

"There will be a much more muscular response from India and "if that doesn't keep you up at night, I don't know what keeps people from sleeping well.""

so as long as we exercise "cautious restraint" ..meaning keep quiet when pakis kill us, massa can sleep peacefully.

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 25 Jun 2014 05:41

^^^ Bruce Reidel says that Pakistan's Afghan policy is run by Army Chief and ISI Chief. Their intent is revealed by a set of successful attacks on international election monitors, forcing them to withdraw -- the goal is to delegitimize the Afghan elections. Reidel says that it is a sophisticated strategy, and could not have originated with Mullah Omar, it has to be ISI, Army.

Reidel and co-host point to two proud US achievements in Afghanistan:
1. In the last 10 years, Afghan life expectancy has increased by 20 years.
2. In 2001, under the Taliban, 100,000 Afghan children went to school, 100% of them boys. Today 9 million Afghan children go to school, 4 million of them girls.

Of course, the sub-text is that Pakistan is out to sabotage all of this.

Can somebody tells me which policy regarding security and foreign relation is not run by Paki rats? Off course all policy which Paki rats think is important for converting every body to pure Islam is run by ISI and rats

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 06:16

Well, if Washington DC types are kept awake by the thought of a muscular Indian response to a terrorist attack from Pakistan, then I want it to be their policy, openly declared or not, to do their damnest to thwart such a terrorist attack.

Fat chance, but I can hope.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Jun 2014 06:58

Hotel Haramifornia

Patient Qadri can now leave country only under law: Pervez Rashid

Rawalpindi- Federal Information Minister Pervez Rashid today said that Tahirul Qadri had come to Pakistan on his will but could not leave the country by his choice.Talking to journalists after visiting wounded policemen here, the minister said that Qadri had ordered his followers and workers to attack on security forces. “Qadri through social media and telephone ordered his ‘rogue’ workers to attack security personnel, Allama has come to Pakistan by his choice but could not escape from the country by his own will and will have to face law and constitution as Pervez Musharraf facing it,” Rashid said.He said police was deployed to protect international airport, passengers and Tahirul Qadri himself but PAT workers tortured policemen in Islamabad, Rawalpindi and Lahore. “Mr. Qadri has been inciting his followers for a last couple of weeks to give bloodbath to anyone who comes in their way, and everyone witnessed it yesterday when his scoundrel tortured police personnel,” said the minister.Bones of heads, arms and legs of more than 100 policemen were broken by his hooligans who brutally tortured police with sticks and rods,” he said.Rashid said, “We will collar those who are spreading anarchy in the country, and we will facilitate to the core our North Waziristan people.” The Senator said that Qadri’s workers involved in chaos and torture on security personnel would be brought to book.He said Qadri has introduced new kind of terrorism adding that government would deal with this “imported terrorism” with iron hand. “Mr. Qadri has introduced a new kind of terrorism, it’s an attempt to divert our attention and save cruel militants, but we will fight both the forms of terrorism,” he added.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 25 Jun 2014 07:03

Jhujar wrote:http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakist ... eaves-one-

Peshawar airport: Firing at PIA flight leaves one dead, one injured

At least one female passenger was killed while flight steward Ijaz Afridi was injured after unknown gunmen opened fire on a Pakistan International Airlines flight while landing at the Bacha Khan International Airport.According to PIA spokesman, the incident took place as PIA flight PK 756 --en route from Riyadh to Peshawar with around 170 passengers onboard was landing at the airport.

If the pakis are telling the truth ( oxymoron statement ), then the guy who managed to get so many shots through the windows of a landing passenger jet and that too in dark must be the greatest sniper ever.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 07:16

Al-Jazeera:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/southasia ... 30623.html

Another senior police official said the incident could have been catastrophic, as the PIA plane was flying only 1,500 metres above ground level when it was attacked.

Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/2 ... 26882.html

Khan initially said five bullets hit the plane as it was coming in to the airport, but the Senior Superintendent of Police, Najeeb ur Rehman Bhagvi, said when he and other authorities later inspected the plane they found at least ten bullet holes.

The plane was about 300 feet (90 meters) off the ground when someone opened fire on it from below with a sub-machine gun or an AK-47, Bhagvi said.

The Tribune, Pakistan:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/726606/two- ... pia-plane/

The airline’s managing director Junaid Yunus said that the plane was 5.6 kilometers (3.5 miles) away from the runway when it was hit.

At the time of incident, the plane was flying low over Landi Akhum Ahmad area as it lined up its approached for landing.

Wajid Khan, the other crew member who had received one bullet in his leg, told a private TV channel that this particular area, the residential colony adjacent to the airport, is notorious and the pilots have previously complained of aerial firing in the area.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2014 07:29

I think the report that the plane was 1500 meters above ground may be wrong. That would be nearly 5000 feet above ground and five minutes flying time away from the airport. Difficult to put six bullets in the aircraft at that height unless there were a whole bunch of people filling the air with lead. At 5000 feet a 200 foot long airliner would provide a 2.5 degree wide moving target. More likely it was just above ground shortly before touchdown when it was fired at.

Do foreign airlines fly into Peshawar at all?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 07:34

If we assume 3° angle of approach of the plane to the landing, and 5.6 kilometers away, then the plane was at 300 meters. The Huffington Post article says 90 meters.

You can see departures and arrivals at Peshawar via here:
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Airport/a ... port%2C+PK

It includes Etihad, Virgin Australia International, Air Arabia, Emirates, flynas?

Qatar also flies (from their website).
Saudia also flies to Peshawar (from their website).

vina · Post by **vina** » 25 Jun 2014 07:42

The Huffington Post article says 90 meters

A plane coming in to land is around 130 knots, which is pretty substantial. Any abdul firing from BELOW and to penetrate the fuselage with an AK47 type weapon , and go through the baggage holds into the passenger compartment must be at Djinn level proficiency , and holy Ijjlamic pullets are fighting mama gravity all the time and losing KE. Aint what happened.

What probably happened was that the gunman was probably perched on top of a tower or something near the landing area and shot DOWN into the plane as it was descending. That is a far easier shot, gives you more time to follow and rake the plane and get to hit the passenger compartment easily.

So, will put it down to poor perimeter security, plane flying close to some tall tower in the flight path.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 07:55

vina wrote:
The Huffington Post article says 90 meters
What probably happened was that the gunman was probably perched on top of a tower or something near the landing area and shot DOWN into the plane as it was descending. That is a far easier shot, gives you more time to follow and rake the plane and get to hit the passenger compartment easily.

So, will put it down to poor perimeter security, plane flying close to some tall tower in the flight path.

Maybe in 400 AD when the 120 meter high Stupa built by Kanishka still existed. I don't think any such tall building exists in Peshawar today. Anyway, the Landi Akhun/Akhon/Akhund Ahmed area is a bit southeast of the airport - it is around the Bari River - as per Google maps, it is fields and low residential houses.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 25 Jun 2014 07:56

Accident: PIA A313 at Peshawar on Jun 24th 2014, aircraft under gun fire on final approach
http://avherald.com/h?article=476566da&opt=0

A PIA Pakistan International Airlines Airbus A310-300, registration AP-BGN performing flight PK-756 from Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) to Peshawar (Pakistan) with 178 passengers and 12 crew, was on short final to Peshawar's runway 35, descending through about 300 feet AGL, when the aircraft was hit by a number of bullets, the bullets penetrating the fuselage belly at the right hand side and entering the cabin. A female passenger was hit in her head and received fatal injuries, the purser received serious injuries and another flight attendant minor injuries. The crew continued for a safe landing on the runway. Both injured flight attendants are in hospital care.

The airport of Peshawar is currently closed.

The airline reported the aircraft was about 3.5nm from the airport (approximate height on a 3 degree glideslope would be 1100 feet AGL) when about 10 bullets hit the aircraft. The female passenger in seat 59J was fatally injured, a flight attendant was hit by three bullets and is in critical condition, a second flight attendant also received injuries.

The flight attendant receiving minor injuries reported the aircraft was descending near Landi Akhon Ahmed when the bullets hit the aircraft.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2014 08:09

shravan wrote:Accident: PIA A313 at Peshawar on Jun 24th 2014, aircraft under gun fire on final approach
http://avherald.com/h?article=476566da&opt=0

on short final to Peshawar's runway 35, descending through about 300 feet AGL, when the aircraft was hit by a number of bullets, the bullets penetrating the fuselage belly at the right hand side and entering the cabin.

Probably fired from several hundred meters off to the side - the arc of flight of the bullets could have made a horizontal trajectory at the time of penetration. Aircraft skin can easily be penetrated by AKPhyrr. ~~Serves the Saudis right for flying into Peshawar~~ oops it was PIA

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 08:10

^^^ is 59J a window seat?

PS: Does an Airbus A310-300 have a seat row 59???
e.g.,
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air_Tr ... 10-300.php

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2014 08:12

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ is 59J a window seat?

Sounds like mid cabin - head in wrong place at wrong time - naseeb etc

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 08:17

OK, seat 59J does exist, right at the back of the plane.
See charts linked at (look for "AP-BGN")
http://www.piac.com.pk/PIA_PolicynTerms/SeatCharts.asp

It is not a window seat but next to window. It is on the right side of the plane.

PS: remember one bullet hit an engine, 10 bullets hit the plane. The two cabin crew members who were hit were probably seated in the galley behind seat 59J, in preparation for landing.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2014 08:19

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ is 59J a window seat?

PS: Does an Airbus A310-300 have a seat row 59???
e.g.,
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air_Tr ... 10-300.php

You ask too many questions. Sometimes aircraft are fired at. Sometimes people are hit. It happens in every country on earth.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2014 08:22

SSridhar wrote:
Rony wrote:Another new book from another Amriki "expert" on Pakistan. CFR's Daniel Markey on his book - No Exit from Pakistan: America's Tortured Relationship with Islamabad.
So, what gives? There is a rush of new books by Americans & Pakistanis.

Mostly Americans. This may be a sociological question. Both you and I recall that the 60s had a flood of WW2 movies and books and comics - starting 10 -15 years after the war. It is now 13 years since 9-11 and a few eyes are opening.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 08:23

^^^ Never, ever trust anything a Pakistani says, without verification.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Jun 2014 08:30

I have always wondered about the IQ of the mehran/karachi types. Why do they insist on a susai ghazwa when akphyrr will do the job.

PS - never trust, even with verification.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 08:32

Dawn:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1114849/firing ... ar-airport

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Information Minister Shah Farman told DawnNews that it was difficult to ascertain as to which direction the aircraft was fired upon. He said that firing incidents like this are "a usual occurrence in the area".

This is the second person who is saying that firing is a usual occurrence in the area. The first was Wajid Khan, one of the flight crew (reported in the Tribune above).

Also, Dawn has upped the bullet count to 12, and given us a new area of where the police are looking:

Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP) Operations Najeebur Rehman said that 12 bullets were fired at the aircraft and they have launched a search operation in Pishtakara and the surroundings area.

PS: the only Pishtakar I can find on Google maps is indeed in Landi Akhon Ahmed; but it is a cemetery.
PPS: Pistakara features in the news from 2009, when 60 Taliban attacked the Al Faisal Freight Terminal there.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 25 Jun 2014 08:36

ArmenT wrote:
Agnimitra wrote:What is the origin of the "ram holding serpent" in the ISI logo above?
That is a Markhor, which is the National animal of Pakistan and which they are doing their best to exterminate within their territory. There is a common belief that they eat snakes and the name "mar khor" is itself a persian translation of "snake eater". See the wiki link I posted for details. Apparently, the drippings from chewing its cud are in great demand by people because it is believed to be an anti-venom.

Ah! Now I see the missing link between khushboos and goat-droppings oph wisdom!

Anujan

BTW RigVeda says the Ram will defeat the Lion. So watch out SDRE yindoos!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Jun 2014 08:37

The plane was probably Qadrified by ground crew angry at haraam activities like free intermingling of men and women on board.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Jun 2014 08:40

PS: Does an Airbus A310-300 have a seat row 59???

Yes, it is next to 69, the crew rest & "recreation" area.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2014 08:45

A blast from the past! (Nov 2009)
http://youtu.be/w4gkstangf8

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 25 Jun 2014 08:55

Mostly Americans. This may be a sociological question. Both you and I recall that the 60s had a flood of WW2 movies and books and comics - starting 10 -15 years after the war. It is now 13 years since 9-11 and a few eyes are opening.[/quote]

Haqqani is cashing in on this craze. Hopefully this time something good will come out of it.