Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr 2014

Inder Sharma · Post by **Inder Sharma** » 25 Jun 2014 09:12

In the heritage foundation discussion on Cristine Fair’s book, “Fighting to the End”, she just refers to this phenomenon. She laments that US establishment is willing to give a long rope to ISI/Pak Army when they have abetted killing of around 4000 US troops. C Fair believes that this stance will change once US troops start arriving back and give account of the ground situation to their families and friends.

And this is getting corroborated:

The book by Lt Sean Parnell(Outlaw Platoons) on his deployment experience in Afpak border highlights the Paki perfidy and reflects the disgust within the US fighting rank and military leadership for the Pakis.

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 25 Jun 2014 09:17

Meanwhile..

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 25 Jun 2014 09:40

- Deleted - Mistaken post.

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Jun 2014 09:55

SRoy wrote:Gunmen open fire on plane at Peshawar airport

Again? Or is this the older news discussed last 2 pages?

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 25 Jun 2014 09:58

Sorry, was making along post. Had copied the first line when "Submit" got hit by chance.
Will stay away from smartphone and stick to laptop.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Jun 2014 10:11

shiv wrote:I think the report that the plane was 1500 meters above ground may be wrong. That would be nearly 5000 feet above ground and five minutes flying time away from the airport. Difficult to put six bullets in the aircraft at that height unless there were a whole bunch of people filling the air with lead. At 5000 feet a 200 foot long airliner would provide a 2.5 degree wide moving target. More likely it was just above ground shortly before touchdown when it was fired at.

Do foreign airlines fly into Peshawar at all?

Only anti aircraft artillery like a ZSU-23 can hit you at that Height, not Ak-47's. No way even 5 Ak -47's can get 6 bullets close to each other at aircraft landing at 250 + Km per hour even at an altitude of 50 feet.

If it is AK 47 Bullets, then it has to be when the aircraft is taxing, otherwise the other possibility is that Peshawar is an airport cum military base and some of the PAF Air Defense artillery personal, thought this was a target because 1) He was Shia and thought the aircraft was carrying Sunnis 2) He become greener than the green or 3) He thought some Hindu Raw agents were landing.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Jun 2014 10:26

It is safe to assume that at least some of the purer green have gotten hold of some AA guns. Apparently the shanty next to the Peshawar airport is a no go area for police and they don't go there out of fear.

Edit: Another tidbit. Since a "steward" was injured, news channels reported that a foreigner yahoodi (George Ramprasad Stewart) was injured.

vina · Post by **vina** » 25 Jun 2014 10:38

Anujan wrote:It is safe to assume that at least some of the purer green have gotten hold of some AA guns. Apparently the shanty next to the Peshawar airport is a no go area for police and they don't go there out of fear.

Those tend to be larger caliber weapons, autocannon rounds mostly that will go kaboom after penetration. Some ten rounds of that kind hitting the plane would have shredded that part of the plane to pieces. If the plane landed safely and it was small caliber rounds, it was probably Mujs loitering around the landing area and hosing the plane just as it was touching down.

A 0.5 caliber browing 0.5 BMG kind of anti personnel /anti material rifle is possible and looks more likely. It has the range and can be easily transported as opposed to true AA guns and ammo which will need to be mounted on a pickup like we see in Syria /Iraq. It has been used in Afghanistan and I am sure the "good" and "bad" telebunnies have access to them.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 25 Jun 2014 10:57

A similar incident happened and Musharraf's place too was fired upon during the Siege of Lal Masjid, in Rawalpindi.
Anti aircraft guns were recovered that time round

Security officials said they recovered two antiaircraft guns and one submachine gun with a telescopic sight from the rooftop of a house barely a mile from the airport where the shooting had apparently taken place.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 25 Jun 2014 11:06

Yesterday was target practice day for Paki non state actors.
In few days this practice will help them to bring down kuffar bird also known as UCAV.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Jun 2014 11:21

VikasRaina wrote:Yesterday was target practice day for Paki non state actors.
In few days this practice will help them to bring down kuffar bird also known as UCAV.

surprised that they have not yet dragged India into this "attack"

Surely they should have found the "Indian arms" by now.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 25 Jun 2014 12:28

^^
Or atleast an Indian 'Hand'!

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 25 Jun 2014 12:50

VikasRaina wrote:Yesterday was target practice day for Paki non state actors.
In few days this practice will help them to bring down kuffar bird also known as UCAV.

It means in future Pak cannot sneak out or sneak in their maal from their strategic depth. Their military luggers now must operate under heavy security. If they use heavy security, they will loose their secrecy. A catch-22 situation.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2014 14:12

Rony wrote:Bruce Riedel An Impossible Partnership?: Pakistan, America and the Future of South Asia

People - it is well worth watching every minute of this.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 25 Jun 2014 14:58

kmkraoind wrote: <snip..>
It means in future Pak cannot sneak out or sneak in their maal from their strategic depth. Their military luggers now must operate under heavy security. If they use heavy security, they will loose their secrecy. A catch-22 situation.

kmkraoind, While reading your post, I had my tube light moment.

Let me bring in kuffar concept of advaitha here. Jehadis, Non-state Actors (NSA) and TSP Army are one and single entity although ignorant folks call them by different names.
What one posses is automatically available to another, so if TSPA has any maal and thats a big IF, then it should be construed as Jehadis and NSA too having access to this maal.
I think this is another of those myths that Pukes are protecting their assets from other players in the arena especially when all the players are of the same team wearing same green colors. Helps them in making more money and scaring $hit out of western world and Indian dovey eyed sick-lib crowd.
Tomorrow if by twist of fate, Saeed Hafiz or Mullah Omar ends up being ruler of Pakistan, Even they would be singing the same bhajan of protecting maal from Jehadis and other actors.

Talibans maybe one player who are not fully integrated with TSP Army yet but then they don't have any intention or aspiration to get hold of JDAM and then send it to Manhattan or New Delhi. They are very happy fighting each other with AK-47 and maybe one day rule over Kabul.

What Pukes maybe worried about now is the rise of Chinese Jehadis who by geo-political necessity would not be co-opted into Puke controlled Jehad crowd and maybe keen on getting one for themselves. Rest all scare mongering groups like AL-Q, Talibans, LeT, JeM, HM blah blah are just red herrings which helps Puke stay relevant and important in world community.

Anything that Pukes do or say should be looked at with suspicion and see if there is any begging bowl trail at the end of it.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Jun 2014 15:35

Pakis taking potshots at flying/landing aircrafts reminds me of the Tusken Raiders in Star Wars.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2014 15:48

Why is the US safe from a gunman/Paki taking potshots at landing aircraft? It's only an idea away. There is no real reason why anyone could not do it bar the fact that automatic weapons are illegal in the US. But powerful large caliber (0.5 in) weapons are available. Even a Tavor for civilian use can squeeze off 2-3 rounds per second. Enough to pump a few bullets into a landing aircraft.

Sooner or later, if Pakistan cannot be forced to change course, it will happen.

I am surprised that no decision maker in the US asks what would happen if they stopped funding the Pakistan army.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2014 17:12

shiv wrote: . . . the arc of flight of the bullets could have made a horizontal trajectory at the time of penetration. Aircraft skin can easily be penetrated . . .

Haraam ! Are there 4 pious Muslim witnesses for this penetration that you are talking about ? You are a kafir Brahman Hindu and you are making wild allegations about a people belonging to a pious land. This is a Hanud-Yahud-Nasara conspiracy.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 25 Jun 2014 17:15

I don't consider the Pathans brave people. I consider them a cowardly clan. These tribes easily succumbed to Islam the primary reason being fear. They succumbed next to greener Islamists, primary reason being fear. Then they succumbed to the Taliban, primary reason being fear. And if ISIS marches along the NWFP, they will happily join them brandishing their AKs on weaker sections. Primary reason being fear. They don't have the balls in them to fight for humanity. They succumb most easily to the ravages and fear of evil. A cowardly clan for sure. On that measure i consider the Jat clans in and around Delhi the bravest. They survived within a stones throw of successive Mughal and Muslim emperors, invasions without much conversion.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Jun 2014 17:34

harbans wrote:I don't consider the Pathans brave people. I consider them a cowardly clan. These tribes easily succumbed to Islam the primary reason being fear. ......

OT. Don't know about the rest (once converted, muslims succumbing to greener muslims out of fear) but the Hindu dynasties that preceded the Islamic hordes put up a brave and a valiant fight for decades. Brahmana Hindu Shahi dynasties.

I think that en masse conversion to Buddhism by the local subjects is the root cause of the region capitulating to the hordes from the west.

kish · Post by **kish** » 25 Jun 2014 17:36

A paki kid got kidney & liver transplanted in India. Parents chose to treat their kid in India rather than china.

Pakistani boy finds new lease on life in India

When asked why they chose India for the surgery, Amaar’s maternal grandfather Mubarak Haider said they took the decision after doing extensive inquiry and survey of the facilities in different parts of the world.

“We also tried hospitals in Singapore, China, America and some other countries. China we don’t trust( Probably chinese would have used counterfeit Indian drugs, why not try the real ones. ). Singapore, US was too expensive. We opted for India, because it is much cheaper and quality is good,” Haider told IANS.

A liver transplant at Fortis Hospital cost around Rs1.9 million (Dh116,015), while for a kidney transplant the fee is Rs350,000.

Paki slogans like "Higher than the himalayas, deeper than the oceans...." to appease their master(chinese) are as fake as chinese goods.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Jun 2014 17:54

DocJi, I didn't see the link in your post to Riedel's video. I'll reserve judgement till I see it, but in the past, Riedel, like many US anal-ysts attempts to look at the TSP truthfully, but then reverts to the usual horse manure: US must engage TSP, if India responds to the next TSP attack, it will cause heartburn to US, nuke conflagration, India & TSP are both rising powers that US has an interest in etc.

Someone else posted TSP RAPEtte and TSPA/ISI mouthpiece Jihadi Lodhi. They will be mighty happy at whatever scorn is poured on TSP, provided the fundamental India TSP equal equal policy of US is not changed, and that exactly has been Riedel's prescription.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2014 17:58

Emirates suspends Peshawar operations - DAWN

“Emirates has suspended flights to and from Peshawar effective 25 June 2014 until further notice, due to the security situation at the destination. Affected passengers will be rebooked on alternative Emirates’ flights and are asked to check on emirates.com for further updates. We apologise for the inconvenience caused – however, the safety of our passengers and crew is a top priority and will not be compromised,” said an Emirates spokesperson.

The talking {sic} off strip is toward the northern side, which ends at the main University Road near Tambwan Chowk but the slums of Tehkal starts from the main road which have often been used by the miscreants to fire rockets at the airport in the past.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Jun 2014 18:13

kish wrote:A paki kid got kidney & liver transplanted in India. Parents chose to treat their kid in India rather than china.

Pakistani boy finds new lease on life in India

When asked why they chose India for the surgery, Amaar’s maternal grandfather Mubarak Haider said they took the decision after doing extensive inquiry and survey of the facilities in different parts of the world.

“We also tried hospitals in Singapore, China, America and some other countries. China we don’t trust( Probably chinese would have used counterfeit Indian drugs, why not try the real ones. ). Singapore, US was too expensive. We opted for India, because it is much cheaper and quality is good,” Haider told IANS.

A liver transplant at Fortis Hospital cost around Rs1.9 million (Dh116,015), while for a kidney transplant the fee is Rs350,000.
Paki slogans like "Higher than the himalayas, deeper than the oceans...." to appease their master(chinese) are as fake as chinese goods.

make no mistake, they will still spit on your face on the way out, in the finest and ancient malsi traditions

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2014 19:01

CRamS wrote:DocJi, I didn't see the link in your post to Riedel's video.

Huh? The video can be seen embedded in the post.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2014 19:05

kish wrote:A paki kid got kidney & liver transplanted in India. Parents chose to treat their kid in India rather than china.

Pakistani boy finds new lease on life in India

From the above,

Haider said such cases play a very important role in removing distrust and strengthening people-to-people contacts.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Jun 2014 19:09

DocJi, I need to check my Chrome browser's settings.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 25 Jun 2014 19:44

Has anyone seen pictures that establish beyond doubt that the bullets traveled from outside to inside the aircraft, and not the other way round?

Anyway, I have a feeling this is going to be the next spectator sport at Pakistani airports.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2014 19:56

Relevant excerpts from Riedel's video for those who do not want to watch 90 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvRF2MRIuY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3vwo4iha_0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UHqBWb6lgU

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 25 Jun 2014 21:04

Actually I am wondering if there isn't something chankian going on with the rash of US "think tank" presentations by authors that seem to enunciate a tubelight "Oh! They were evil all along!" moment with regard to STFUP.

Why now? Perhaps an answer is to be found in the occasional condescending references to Narendra Modi sarkar that the various "experts" make in the course of their talks. Riedel for example says "Modi has a lot of baggage, some of which has merit... but even Nixon was given a chance" (paraphrase).

Fair and Riedel (perhaps not Carlotta Gall, who is a genuine investigative journalist with no known GOTUS connections) have been given their platforms at just this moment, why? Nothing they say is anything the US has not known for years or decades; it's simply being admitted in public for the first time. Who is the intended audience? Is it the great constituency of Indians (living in India and the West) who were responsible for Modi sarkar getting elected with a simple majority? If the target is these people, what is the message? We know as well as Fair or Riedel do that none of the (modest if at all) recommendations they make to deal with Pakistan will be followed by GOTUS. Riedel for example says "cut military aid, because bribing the TSPA doesn't work"... like hell that's going to happen.

It is perhaps even more telling that nothing like these discussions were made public during the MMS years. This was probably due to a sense of satisfaction among US deep state, GOTUS and think tanks that MMS was going to follow the US line when it came to Pakistan anyway... the Indians opposing the MMS policy were a "small lunatic fringe of Hindoos who supported the mass-murderer Modi", and did not matter enough to placate with public anti-Pakistan statements issued by US figures. Now they've seen that the Hindoos who supported Modi are not a lunatic fringe but the dominant political constituency in India, and Modi is in fact the PM.

Is the message supposed to be "when the next terrorist attack happens, go right ahead and do what you need to do India, we won't stop you?"

Did Saddam's Iraq receive these types of messages from similar types of US actors during the run-up to the Kuwait invasion in 1990?

Things to think about here.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Jun 2014 21:08

SSridhar wrote:Emirates suspends Peshawar operations - DAWN
The talking {sic} off strip is toward the northern side, which ends at the main University Road near Tambwan Chowk but the slums of Tehkal starts from the main road which have often been used by the miscreants to fire rockets at the airport in the past.

Apparently that shanty is a no-go area and nobody patrols it

and the Mujs have probably built AA artillery locations there by now

Meanwhile, Unkil names JuD/LeT and its 15 other names as a global terrorist and holds them responsible for Herat attack.
http://m.state.gov/md228431.htm

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 25 Jun 2014 21:13

sum wrote:
SRoy wrote:Gunmen open fire on plane at Peshawar airport
Again? Or is this the older news discussed last 2 pages?

Boss, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens EVERY day to EVERY flight. Like in the Honolulu airport, where the tourism dept. used to employ svelte Hawaiian girls to greet incoming passengers with garlands.

"Inshallah we will be landing in Krrach/Pisshour/Slumbad in a few minutes. Temperature outside is 35 degrees celsius. If you look outside the windows on the left side of the aircraft you will see non-state actors attempting to welcome you with RAW-supplied ordinance..."

arun · Post by **arun** » 25 Jun 2014 21:18

SSridhar wrote:Emirates suspends Peshawar operations - DAWN
“Emirates has suspended flights to and from Peshawar effective 25 June 2014 until further notice, due to the security situation at the destination. Affected passengers will be rebooked on alternative Emirates’ flights and are asked to check on emirates.com for further updates. We apologise for the inconvenience caused – however, the safety of our passengers and crew is a top priority and will not be compromised,” said an Emirates spokesperson.

The talking {sic} off strip is toward the northern side, which ends at the main University Road near Tambwan Chowk but the slums of Tehkal starts from the main road which have often been used by the miscreants to fire rockets at the airport in the past.

Emirates is not the only Airline from fellow Mohammadden “Brotherly” UAE to have suspended flights to Peshawar. Etihad has also joined the bandwagon.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan must complain to The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation erstwhile Organization of the Islamic Conference aka OIC demanding that Dubai and Abu Dhabi be forced to resume flights given the Islamic Republic's role of being sole Mohammadden Nuclear Power, Fortress of Mohammaddenism and Victim of {Self Created} Mohammadden Terrorists

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Emirates, Etihad suspend Peshawar flight operations

As a most likely redundant memory refresher for BRFites, Cathay Pacific had announced a week back suspension of flights to Karachi:

Cathay Pacific to suspend all Pakistan flights after Karachi airport attack

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is certainly reaping the whirlwind of Mohammadden Terrorism she herself had sown for the purpose of harming India

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Rony · Post by **Rony** » 25 Jun 2014 21:33

The Importance of Pakistan

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Jun 2014 21:35

RudraJi, good observations. My take: Fair didi is a nano bit player, doubt any honcho takes her seriously, Riedel is an ex CIA machismo, may have some influence. And we all know that ModiJi is not going to rush into anything visa vi TSP, and I am sure he, more than anybody else knows India's military limitations. But he for sure will use other measures to TSP's hanky panky. Of course, the worst thing TSP can afford is India ignoring it, and letting ModiJi get on with the job India elected him to do, so for sure there will be some TSP provocation. Perhaps US is worried that its munna will do something before the boys leave AfPak. So a little bit of noise there and there about TSP, but I wouldn't read too much beyond that.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 25 Jun 2014 21:49

Rudradev wrote: Did Saddam's Iraq receive these types of messages from similar types of US actors during the run-up to the Kuwait invasion in 1990?

Perhaps the retribution needs to start off low like blasts in Lahore and Slumabad like happened in 1990s under Narsimha Rao to test western response. Obviously another 2002 type of border massing is out of question until ammo wastage levels reach optimum levels. Doval needs to game several scenarios to game Paki provocations and the consequent Indian response.

There is complete silence in western corridors since Namo came to power. Other than Hillary's comments on NDTV there is not much of a response from the US and none whatsoever from the UK. We need to watch the poodles to see if they are yapping or wagging their tails.Perhaps they are waiting to see if NM does go to NY in Sept and meet with Obama. Other than this I think NDA interaction with Russia will also be watched with interest. If they think Modi is veering towards Russia (will not happen) they will react in a knee jerk fashion and activate their local assets. As of now Modi reaching out to the Japanese poodle is in line with their plans to steer India towards a pan asia alliance where the mongrel states of Philpines, vietnam, and Taiwan with India will act as the cats paw while Australia and other ANZUS countries sit back and watch the fun and strike a deal with China on their terms.

However I think Modi is possibly doing something out of the box. It is possible that the reaching out to IAEA to give greater access is a screen to activate increasing the atomic stockpile in the future. Whether this is really comes about we have to wait and see.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 25 Jun 2014 22:02

I remember reading in the British library in the late 80s after the Iran-Iraq war around the time Gerald Bull was killed a middle eastern journalist (possibly BBC) was imprisoned by Saddam Hussein and later killed in custody. This led to an incident with UK and Maggy Thatcher had a nasty spat with the Iraqis. This happened before the Kuwait invasion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farzad_Bazoft

His body was placed in a rough wooden crate and despatched to his family in Britain. Documents seized during the 2003 invasion of Iraq confirm that Saddam Hussein personally stressed the need for Bazoft's execution to take place before Ramadan (which began that year on 16 March), to quash attempts for clemency by the British government.[8]

Immediately after the execution, the British recalled their ambassador to Iraq[9] and cancelled all ministerial visits. Bazoft's story triggered a widespread outrage of the West and contributed to international isolation of Saddam's regime. Months after the incident, on 2 August 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait, sparking the first Gulf War.

In retrospect it is possible that this was a warning sign of what was coming down the road for Iraq. We need to watch the scandinavian and Dutch reaction to the NGO ban. It may give an inkling as to what the westerners are thinking.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 25 Jun 2014 22:23

What RDji means here is Saddam Hussein was lulled into believing that west would not interfere if Saddam acted against Kuwait and maybe US is 'setting up' the GOI.

I dont think thats the case but US now understands that a hindu nationalist govt is in power at Delhi and they will not go along with the US South Asia narrative.So the US is acknowledging that Pakistan is abnormal,but still needs to be protected.

Even then,when Reidel is asked to don the robes of a 'social scientist' to pin point Pakistans flaws,he does not talk about the PAK TFTA narrative,the marital races theory,the role of Islamic kabila.Ofcourse,one cannot accept US to acknowledge their interest in shackling the hindu civilisation.But the obsession of pakistan which comes from its obsession with its TFTA fourfathers,muslim racial superiority is not even hinted at.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 25 Jun 2014 23:22

All I am saying is that there were warning signs for Saddam if he had listened with his ear to the ground. The world has evolved in the last 20+ years, Saddam was a despot, confident after besting Iran in the war with Iran and was looking to put his vast army to good use. Iraq traditionally looks to Kuwait as province hived off by the Brits. A deception on that level, assuming it actually happened will be very tall order to pull off again on India. Modi is not a despot and surely has a competent set of advisors who will weigh in if situation warrants.

If the west is going to lead Modi up the garden path...there will be possible warnings here too.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 25 Jun 2014 23:30

apparently, the gunmen were trying to hit the fuselage and blow the plane up.