Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr 2014

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Jun 2014 01:06

Nothing changes. I'm browsing through the Indian Annual Register for 1946:

1946: Oct 13th The Muslim League Working Committee, at its meeting, adopted a resolution strongly condemning the recent bombing on the Muslims of Waziristan (N.W.F.P.) and expressed its sincere sympathies with the suffers there.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 29 Jun 2014 01:31

sudhan wrote:Morons need to be told that brain eating amoeba does not add to brain drain

if Ammi and Abba were not first cousins this amoeba probably would have had more brain tissue to feast upon

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jun 2014 01:38

ArmenT, 45 calibers was for 155mm guns. That is the basis of GCT 45. Maybe for assault rifles its the 52 calibers.

Essentially he showed that the pressure time curve doesn get to develop fully in a short barrel gun. Hence need a longer barrel for better range.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 29 Jun 2014 04:33

Ramzan moon not sighted, fasting to begin from Monday

Where is the elite, totally pindigenous SU(P)ARCO when you need it, hain??

Why are they not using their world famous Moon sighting technaawlajee??

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jun 2014 05:59

Whatever I might feel about the fakeness of the Waziristan operation "Nazb-e-zamzam" or "Zub--e-Nusbaum" whatever it looks like the Talibs have been cowed into submission apart from a minor leg-bye at Peshawar airport. If Amoebas are the most lethal things going on in shitistan, what are the martial races coming to?

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 29 Jun 2014 06:01

Sri Lanka shuts terror door on Pakistan

NEW DELHI: Sri Lanka has banned visas on arrival for Pakistanis after investigations showed that jihadist groups targeting India were using Sri Lanka as a transit point. Lanka is also one of the few countries that extended such a facility to Pakistani nationals.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jun 2014 07:20

From Anindya's post above,

Modi, in his first conversations with Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa, had raised this issue which he said was of particular sensitivity to India. On his return, Rajapaksa is believed to have launched an investigation. The results of the probe have contributed to the decision.

In a related development, Sri lankan authorities have been rounding up Pakistani asylum seekers — almost 1,500 of them will be deported back to Pakistan. This has invited sharp criticism from human rights activists and the UN, because many of them are Ahmadiyas (a banned sect in Pakistan) and Shia Muslims.

The Lankan government probe revealed that many Pakistanis are arriving as tourists by taking advantage of easy visas on "electronic travel authorization" but staying on as "refugees". {This is why it was foolish on India's part to have considered a freer visa regime for Pakistanis, young or old or infirm}

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jun 2014 08:24

Mahendra wrote:
sudhan wrote:Morons need to be told that brain eating amoeba does not add to brain drain
if Ammi and Abba were not first cousins this amoeba probably would have had more brain tissue to feast upon

In fact the name "Amoeba" is derived from closeness of relationship of Ammi and Abba - Ammibba - Amoeba

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Jun 2014 08:40

shiv wrote:e="Mahendra"uote="sudhan"]Morons need to be told that brain eating amoeba does not add to brain drainif Ammi and Abba were not first cousins this amoeba probably would have had more brain tissue to feast uponIn fact the name "Amoeba" is derived from closeness of relationship of Ammi and Abba - Ammibba - Amoeba

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Marhaba Marhaba!! IMHO, this is another proof of science in ROP. Now we know why Paki remain AmmioAbba.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 Jun 2014 09:03

From the peshawar airport video.

Hangars leading to side runway. Fighter jets?

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 29 Jun 2014 09:29

Yep. Check google maps. There are some fighters on the apron.

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 29 Jun 2014 09:36

Mani Shankar Aiyar has a bhagal mein churi :

http://www.thehindu.com/features/magazi ... 158040.ece
Serbia 1914 and Pakistan 2014

We now learn from the autobiography of Nawaz Sharif’s former (and present) Foreign Minister, Sartaj Aziz, that the Pakistan cabinet was indeed briefed by army chief, Gen. Pervez Musharaf, in detail at the end of March 1999 – that is, a month after the Vajpayee visit and a few weeks before the Kargil invasion was to begin – and that on being told by Musharraf that his men could possibly be in Srinagar within a week of scaling the Kargil heights, Nawaz Sharif raised his hands and asked, with his Cabinet colleagues, for Allah’s dua. So also did the Serbian government in Belgrade know that something could go gravely wrong with the Archduke’s visit to Sarajevo but as they broadly shared the goals of their terrorists, even if they had nothing to do with this particular plot, the Serbian government played along while covering their tracks, just as Nawaz Sharif did about his government’s awareness of Musharraf’s Kargil misadventure. Credible denial, not action to halt the plot, was Sharif’s leitmotif as it was of the Serbian Prime Minister Nikola Pasic and his Cabinet.

And the reasons for shying away from personal involvement but ensuring that nothing was done to stop the outrage from occurring also weirdly parallel those between the Serbia of yore and the Pakistan of the present. The arch Serbian plotter was Dragutin Dimitrijeviæ, known by his ‘takhallus’ of ‘Apis’ the Bee (the nickname he had acquired as a cadet for always buzzing around earnestly). He had earned his laurels by being the most ruthless of the regicides, who in 1903 had assassinated the previous Serbian King Aleksandar Obrenoviæ and his Queen (the two, by sheer coincidence, having been married just three days before Franz Ferdinand and Sophie in the face of similar furious objection from the court and the politico-military establishment — in Queen Draga’s case because she was a notorious nymphomaniac, the Interior Minister having lost his job because he protested to King Aleksandar that he had himself slept with the incoming Queen!) Apis had gone on to become the chief of intelligence (shades of ISI) and then split off to become the clandestine recruiter and trainer, like Ajmal Kasab’s ‘Major Iqbal’, of an army of subterranean terrorists picked up from the coffee-houses of Belgrade where unemployed but idealistic Serbian youth whiled away their time in useless, unrealistic political dreams — the massacre of kafirs to earn a quick passage to Paradise in the case of Kasab and his companions; the realisation of Greater Serbia in the case of Princip and his friends.

Apis took care to recruit for the Sarajevo mission boys suffering from terminal tuberculosis who knew they were destined to die young but preferred the glory of death for a noble cause to just wasting away in an infirmary. For the terrorists, of both the 20 and the 21 centuries, death held no fear and cyanide pills were thoughtfully provided in the event of capture. And where young Pakistanis have been fed on dreams of re-establishing global Muslim rule as in the century that followed the Prophet (pace Allama Iqbal’s Shikwa, or Complaint to Allah as to why he had snatched the world from Muslim hands, and his renowned poem on Granada, ‘Yeh Gumabde Miane’, rendered into immortal song by Malika Pukhraj), Serbian nationalism, and its appendage, Serbian terrorism, also thrived on ballads and epic songs woven around ‘a mythical pantheon’ that included ‘the celebrated assassin’ Miloš Obilic who was said to have infiltrated the Turkish camp and slit the Sultan’s throat. Matching the revivalist irredentism of Allama Iqbal was the 19 century Serbian writer, Garašanin, and the 1847 epic, The Mountain Wreath by the Prince-Bishop of Montenegro, which was to Serbian nationalism what Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyaya’s Anand Math was to Indian nationalism. Most significant of all, Apis’ Serbian Black Hand organisation operated independent of the Serbian government, but with both immunity and impunity, as does Hafiz Saeed’s Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 Jun 2014 10:09

^^^
So the fellow was lying through his teeth in 1999

http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/jul/06aziz.htm

Pakistan Foreign Minister Sartaj Aziz has said that some progress on the Kashmir issue was needed to persuade the militants to withdraw from the Kargil sector.

''If the Mujahideen or the freedom fighters, as we call them, are going to be persuaded to withdraw, then they obviously would do so if the world is paying some attention to their concerns and their right of self-determination,'' Aziz told BBC World Television from Washington.

''If there is greater attention and willingness to deal with their longer-term concerns... then obviously they would be prepared to await or try to cooperate in any dialogue process.

''If not they would not obviously respond to our appeal... because they say they have a right to be in Kashmir and they are fighting for their right of self-determination, so I think this assurance of some progress on Kashmir will give greater weight to an appeal that we may make to them to...,'' Aziz said.

Pakis have zero credibility and zero sincerity. Then why this restlessness to give them "concessions" and "back channel negotiations" and "track 2" and all the other allied nonsense with the faith that they are going to keep their end of the bargain? Relationship should be transactional. They do something we do something. No more "strengthening democracy" "giving concessions" nonsense.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jun 2014 10:29

shiv wrote:In fact the name "Amoeba" is derived from closeness of relationship of Ammi and Abba - Ammibba - Amoeba

OMG, Shiv.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jun 2014 10:34

From that MSA article posted above by sadhana, the conclusion:

The lesson for India and Pakistan of The Sleepwalkers who led their countries to collective disaster in 1914, a disaster that none wanted but none could prevent, is that menacing mutual brinkmanship must be replaced by pragmatic understanding. We in India need to understand that Pakistani terrorism cannot be ended for talks to begin; and that unless talks begin, there is no handle in the Pakistan government’s hands to contain India-specific targeted terrorism. We can climb as many pulpits as we wish, make as many impassioned appeals to the world and Pakistan as we desire, prepare ourselves for the worst and ready ourselves to inflict on Pakistan the worst, but the end result will be an Armageddon worse than anything our imagination can conceive or our mythology grasp, if we do not agree now to an ‘uninterrupted and uninterruptible’ dialogue with Pakistan. What overtook Europe could overtake us — unless we listen to the voice of Gandhi instead of Clausewitz and Nietzsche. It is by engaging with our opponents that we can turn them from friend to enemy; by confronting them, we could potentially turn our millions of Pakistani friends into implacable enemies. We cannot afford to sleepwalk our way to war. We must seize whatever opportunity presents itself, or which we ourselves can create, to make the 21st century the Asian century instead of repeating in Asia in the 21{+s}{+t}century the horrors of Europe’s 20th century.

Unfortunately, the above article is not 'comment'able.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jun 2014 10:40

SSridhar wrote: Unfortunately, the above article is not 'comment'able.

Sridhar. It is. I have commented - pending moderation by some phool

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 29 Jun 2014 10:48

MSA's article is also published in The Friday Times where one can comment.

MSA is a drawing room expert on Pakistan(IMHO) who thinks
1. Pak elite can be bought off with concessions
2. Pak elite can deliver 'deliverables'

He is wrong on both counts. Pak elite are rapacious and can't stop exploiting their own compatriots, what to say of other countries offering freebies. Secondly Pak elite has no real capability to deliver anything much like late Salmaan Taseer had no real capability to deliver any amendment of law or fair trial to the woman who was accused of blasphemy.

MSA is like Americans repeatedly voting for aid dollars to Pak in this respect.

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 29 Jun 2014 10:50

Here is a guy mentioning deliverables:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/727921/indi ... an-groove/

Pak will remain impoverished just because India wants it to engage in productive economic activity.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Jun 2014 11:03

Anybody seen this movie.
TSP army is made a mockery!

Underwear made of Khans flag worn by PA soldiers!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Jun 2014 11:09

sadhana wrote:Here is a guy mentioning deliverables:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/727921/indi ... an-groove/

Pak will remain impoverished just because India wants it to engage in productive economic activity.

In July of 64 A.D., a great fire ravaged Rome for six days, destroying 70 percent of the city and leaving half its population homeless. According to a well-known expression, Rome’s emperor at the time, the decadent and unpopular Nero, “fiddled while Rome burned.”
Mr Chaudhry, your house is burning down. You are fantasizing you are dictating terms to India. Afghanistan is a sovereign country and it is not the 1990s. Although you don’t realize it, your literary gem of a column here is Exhibit A on why Pakistan is here where it is today.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jun 2014 11:21

svinayak wrote: Anybody seen this movie.
TSP army is made a mockery!

Underwear made of Khans flag worn by PA soldiers!

Entire movie here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opAR45fJJ_E

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Jun 2014 11:48

shiv wrote:
svinayak wrote: Anybody seen this movie.
TSP army is made a mockery!

Underwear made of Khans flag worn by PA soldiers!
Entire movie here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opAR45fJJ_E

Most hilarious is the Chinese leader in talks with Pak counterpart on telepresence

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 29 Jun 2014 11:48

MSA is an idiot. The apt comparison to the Bakis would be Hitler's Germany Only that there is no Hitler and that Bakis are closer to the 7th century technologically than the Germans ever were.

The Serbians had legitimate grievances, but Bakis have manufactured ones. The Serbian govt. may have looked the other way when radicals were running amok in Serbia, however Baki army IS the terrorist. The comparison with Serbia and Bakistan is pure Bullcrap pulled out of MHAs musharraf.

MHA asking India to use "talks" with Bakis is like asking the Jews to "talk" to the Nazis. The result will be the same in both the situation. You cannot negotiate with a fanatic.

PS: Sorry for invocation of~~Gordon's~~Godwin's Law

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 29 Jun 2014 11:52

What overtook Europe could overtake us — unless we listen to the voice of Gandhi instead of Clausewitz and Nietzsche. It is by engaging with our opponents that we can turn them from friend to enemy; by confronting them, we could potentially turn our millions of Pakistani friends into implacable enemies. We cannot afford to sleepwalk our way to war. We must seize whatever opportunity presents itself, or which we ourselves can create, to make the 21 century the Asian century instead of repeating in Asia in the 21 century the horrors of Europe’s 20 century.

Duffers like him still think that Pukes are friends of India.. I wonder what is it that stops them from seeing the ugly truth. Pukes would rather slit your throat or put a garland of snake around it than
shake your hand.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jun 2014 12:20

LokeshC wrote: PS: Sorry for invocation of Gordon's Law

No need for an apology. Gordon's law itself is an acknowledgement that those who accuse others of invoking Gordon's law have no argument other than admitting that they have nothing further to say. It is a way of having the last word in a face-saving echandee preserving manner when one's own arguments are trodden into the dirt. Then accuse the other guy of invoking "Gordon's law'.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 29 Jun 2014 12:32

shiv wrote:
LokeshC wrote: PS: Sorry for invocation of Gordon's Law
No need for an apology. Gordon's law itself is an acknowledgement that those who accuse others of invoking Gordon's law have no argument other than admitting that they have nothing further to say. It is a way of having the last word in a face-saving echandee preserving manner when one's own arguments are trodden into the dirt. Then accuse the other guy of invoking "Gordon's law'.

Do you mean Godwin's law? There is another law attributed to Gordon Moore, the Intel founder, that has to do with hardware capacity doubling every 10 years or something.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jun 2014 13:03

KLNMurthy wrote:
Do you mean Godwin's law? There is another law attributed to Gordon Moore, the Intel founder, that has to do with hardware capacity doubling every 10 years or something.

I guess that must be the one, thanks. if that is the one about one debater invoking Nazis and the other party going of in a huff because they can say nothing more other than coin a "law" to comfort themselves - yes it must be Godwin's law.

I believe that those who make references to Nazis where a real similarity does not exist need to be countered on facts rather than a downhill ski that accuses them of invoking Godwin's law. if that accusation is the final word it is as good as accepting that the Nazi analogy was true and accurate. Arundhati Roy and assorted Pakis frequently used the Nazi analogy for Hindu groups - but I don't recall if anyone downhill skied and quoted the law.

Note that what I am doing here is creating a counter to people who use the Godwin's law quote to put any future quoters of Godwin's law on notice ..

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Jun 2014 13:16

Leave MSA, his children are in USa and his Ilk don't really care about India. His ilk job is to peddle USa interests at India's cost. He is just doing his job.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 Jun 2014 13:18

http://www.dawn.com/news/1115891/chines ... t-massacre

Chinese-American was target of Nanga Parbat massacre

Militant sources told AFP the Chinese-American was the specific target, with the plan being to trade him for Taliban in Afghanistan.

But as the attack unfolded in the freezing night, Chen burst out of his tent and tackled one of the militants using martial arts techniques.

The militant, named Mujeeb, panicked and shot him, destroying the main purpose of the mission and infuriating the shadowy masked commanders.

The remaining climbers were then tied up and shot one by one.

The chinese fella was not just a climbing enthusiast maybe?

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Jun 2014 13:41

Month old story.

Indian company gets Canadian Court to seize 55,000 tons of coal procured by company owned by Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in support of default of Pakistani company in making good on earlier ICC arbitration award in favour of the Indian company.

The Indian company is Goa based Sociedade de Fomento Industrial Private Limited and the Pakistani company is the Government owned Pakistan Steel Mills (Private) Limited. :

British Columbia Court of Appeal upholds Mareva injunction in aid of international arbitral proceedings, overturning lower court

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 Jun 2014 13:44

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ample.html
Children forced to watch as Pakistani couple who married for love were 'murdered as an example'

“Their legs and arms were tied while their mouths were gagged with pieces of cloth. The father of the girl announced loudly that he was going to slit the throat of her daughter and her husband.”
A crowd gathered as they were brought to the courtyard of the family house. Someone said the children should be sent away but Mrs Bibi’s father told them to stay and watch, said Mr Ijaz
“He said they should learn what would happen to them if they married someone of their own choice,” he explained, adding many in the town – where 15 girls had eloped in the past year - supported the murders.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Jun 2014 14:19

svinayak wrote:
sadhana wrote:Here is a guy mentioning deliverables:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/727921/indi ... an-groove/

Pak will remain impoverished just because India wants it to engage in productive economic activity.

In July of 64 A.D., a great fire ravaged Rome for six days, destroying 70 percent of the city and leaving half its population homeless. According to a well-known expression, Rome’s emperor at the time, the decadent and unpopular Nero, “fiddled while Rome burned.”
Mr Chaudhry, your house is burning down. You are fantasizing you are dictating terms to India. Afghanistan is a sovereign country and it is not the 1990s. Although you don’t realize it, your literary gem of a column here is Exhibit A on why Pakistan is here where it is today.

The pukis elites want unrestricted access to Indian infrastructure, peaceful industrial climate and guaranteed security for their investments in India through an Indian constitutional amendment, the right to own property in India, settle their kith as "managers" in India, to look after their property.

In return we may get access to afghanistan and beyond with our goods being plundered en route by the pukis like they do the NATO convoys passing through, leaving us at their complete mercy.

THANKS, but NO THANKS.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jun 2014 16:06

shiv wrote:
SSridhar wrote: Unfortunately, the above article is not 'comment'able.
Sridhar. It is. I have commented - pending moderation by some phool

Thanks for pointing out. It is commentable only if you reach it through the 'Features' tag. I have sent in my comments too, but it is also awaiting moderation. I saw at least one BRf member's comment. For those interested, url

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 29 Jun 2014 16:12

So have I... I let no farticle of MSA past without at least an attempted comment.

Two BRFites comments are in there I think. Shiv, yours may already be in... Pls double check (if I'm guessing the handle right).

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jun 2014 16:17

JEM, both our comments are there now. Yeah, I think Shiv is also in if my guess of his handle is also right.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 29 Jun 2014 16:26

Yup... it's in... for some weird reason as "Jai Jai" !!! I signed in with my real name...

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Jun 2014 17:25

Meanwhile, away from MSA's laughable comparisons of two worldly events, and back at the funny farm, here's what Im the Dim Khan had to say recently. Khaniyat. Immy for PM.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Jun 2014 17:49

yup... this was worth bosting in real naam onlee.

Mani Shankar Aiyer goes to great contortions to paint Pakistan as some small country that made a mistake, rather than as the worst pestilence to hit Humanity since Abdul Adolf bin Hitler. Sharf, Sartaz Aziz and Pervez Musharraf tried to cause a massive conflagration that would have consumed the Indian subcontinent, probably ending in nuclear cataclysm. The only force that stopped them was the heroism of the Indian youngsters who climbed icy cliffs at 18,000 feet in the darkness, into the teeth of machine-guns wielded by Pakistani sex-offenders. Mani Shankar Aiyer was in the Indian government for several years - including when Pakistan conducted the cowardly 26/11 terrorist attack. What did he do other than sit on his thumbs and talk about "peace"? There can be no "peace" as long as Pakistan is not in "pieces", as he very well knows if he has anything between his ears. Learn to be honest with others if not with yourself, Mani. You forgot Saurabh Kalia. Karma does not forget.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Jun 2014 17:51

shiv wrote:Whatever I might feel about the fakeness of the Waziristan operation "Nazb-e-zamzam" or "Zub--e-Nusbaum" whatever it looks like the Talibs have been cowed into submission apart from a minor leg-bye at Peshawar airport. If Amoebas are the most lethal things going on in shitistan, what are the martial races coming to?

Points to Army-Taliban coordination, does it not? The Waziristani Taliban are meant for Afghan operations, who knows which faction did the Karachi airport attack; but by definition, they are not in Waziristan. Army needs artillery practice and can't do that in Karachi.

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 29 Jun 2014 18:07

Anujan wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1115891/chines ... t-massacre

Chinese-American was target of Nanga Parbat massacre

Militant sources told AFP the Chinese-American was the specific target, with the plan being to trade him for Taliban in Afghanistan.

But as the attack unfolded in the freezing night, Chen burst out of his tent and tackled one of the militants using martial arts techniques.

The militant, named Mujeeb, panicked and shot him, destroying the main purpose of the mission and infuriating the shadowy masked commanders.

The remaining climbers were then tied up and shot one by one.
The chinese fella was not just a climbing enthusiast maybe?

Look at the killer's justification:

In a video clip recorded by negotiators who met with him, Mujeeb owned up to the killing of Chen but told them he would not surrender because he acted in “self-defence”.

“What did you expect me to do, wait for him to kill me? I panicked and opened fire,” Mujeeb said on the video.