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If there was no 7 yr. blockade of Gaza there would be no tunnels.Removing the blockade and having designated routes into Gaza from Egypt and the coast,where scrutiny of the vehicles entering is conducted would ease the ghetto-like conditions ,give the Palestinians a far better quality of life and engage them in meaningful activity building up their society not building bombs and rockets."A hungry man is an angry man" and cornered in their "rat holes",the Gazaans are fighting for their very survival.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/
Obama and Pope call for peace in Gaza as child death toll rises

The problem for O'Bomber and the US as "peacemakers" is,that its hands are infinitely more bloodstained than the Israelis! One could even argue with some justification,that what Bibi N. has done is to merely follow O'Bomber and Uncle Sam's example,where for over a decade now,over a million people have lost their lives due to cretinous US instigated illegal invasions and engineered conflicts ,which have not brought peace to those troubled lands,but violence unprecedented and a return to stone age civilisation.All to the accompaniment of that famous US anthem,"beating the retreat".The latest nation where the US has "beaten the retreat" is Libya,where it has in indecent haste,Saigon style,it has "evacuated its bowels...sorry,embassy!" American turds lie all across the globe,remnants of its dismal diplomacy,where it prefers to "war ,war" instead of "jaw,jaw". And we blame the Israelis.

Here is Mohan Guruswamy in the Asian Age writing about the "facts and fiction" of the matter.A useful primer.

http://www.asianage.com/columnists/isra ... iction-333
Israel: Fact & fiction
Jul 27, 2014
Israel today is no longer the valiant and beleaguered underdog it was once. It is increasingly seen as an arrogant oppressor seeking to crush another old nation under its jackboots.

The Israeli assault on Gaza is horrific in its ferocity and far exceeds the limits of justifiable and even acceptable retribution.

There was once an image of Israelis being a people of heroic dimensions and sterling character forged by the many tyrannies that the Jewish diaspora suffered, including the industrial-scale pogrom of extermination undertaken by Nazi Germany. The founding of the state of Israel held out the promise of a new nation that, tempered by their experiences and motivated by the high idealism of its founders, would give the world something to look up to. It was this idealism that inspired India to be among the first three countries to recognise it.
The first generation of Israeli leadership was drawn from the European Jewry known as the Ashkenazimm, who were generally liberal and progressive. This was seen in the early Israel when most agriculture was under co-operative farming organised around the Kibbutz, which also entailed a communal (sharing) lifestyle. Histadrut, the labour union, which was the bedrock of the Labour Political Movement led by Israel’s founding father, David Ben Gurion, is also Israel’s biggest employer and owns much of its transportation, dairy, construction and services sectors. Israel was intended as a progressive, socialist and democratic state. It has moved away quite a bit from that goal.
During the initial years of its existence, Israel heroically defied the odds and many writers, like the late Leon Uris, captured this new promised spirit of the Israeli people. His 600-page masterpiece, Exodus, created a sensation in 1957 and propelled him to the highest literary fame. It was a detailed and heroic chronicle of European Jewry from the turn of the last century to the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.
Exodus, while being the epic story of a nation seeking a state, was also the touching love story of Ari Ben Canaan, an Israeli freedom fighter, and Kitty Fremont, an American nurse who joined Canaan’s fight for a Jewish state.
In 1958, after it became one of the most popular novels of the century, Exodus was made into a film by Otto Preminger featuring Paul Newman as Ari Ben Canaan. The book and the movie contributed the most to the mythologising of the Israeli fighter as an indomitable and idealistic hero.
But it is not that Israel lacked such men those days. The founders of the Palmach, the elite strike force of the Haganah that was the forerunner of the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF), men like Moshe Dayan, Haim Bar Lev, Ezer Weizmann, Yigael Yadin, Yitzhak Rabin and Yigal Allon, were all men of heroic proportions and each one could have been a prototype for Ari Ben Canaan. But it was Yigal Allon who came closest. Allon began life as a Haganah field commander in 1936 when he was merely 18 years old. In 1941, he was one of the founders of the Palmach, a commando style strike unit of the Haganah. In 1948, he was made Lt. Gen. and commanded Israeli forces in the south that “liberated” the Negev in what became to be known as the War of Independence. He retired from the IDF in 1950, at the ripe old age of 32. In 1960, Allon went to Oxford University’s St. Anthony’s College to study international relations. Allon later entered public life and became deputy Prime Minister of Israel in 1967 and devoted himself to seeking durable peace with the Palestinians. He died in 1980.
The Haganah was founded in 1920 as the underground military organisation of the Jewish yishuv or community and was then a loose organisation of various local defence groups. The Palmach was its first mobilised unit which gained battle experience in the Second World War as the Jewish Brigade under British command. The Palmach consisted of many first-generation sabras, or Palestine-born Israelis who were also fluent Arabic speakers, which gave it the ability to remain concealed among the Arab population and to wage a lethal unconventional war on them.
The British learnt as much from this experience. Capt. Orde Wingate, who led the famous Chindits Brigade in Burma, was originally from the Palmach. Wingate was a charismatic dreamer who, though a Christian, had joined the Jewish movement and led the Special Night Squad of the Haganah, which carried out reprisals against the Arabs. Wingate’s Palestine experience found expression in Burma and its successes led all traditional armies to establish special warfare forces to give them similar deep-strike capabilities.
The combination of unconventional warfare by British SAS and US Special Forces and deep and precision airstrikes by modern fighter and bomber aircraft in Afghanistan has now given modern warfare a new dimension. Of the three battalions that formed the original Chindits Brigade, the 2/4 Gurkha Rifles is still with the Indian Army and carries the Chindits tag with great pride. Wingate is buried in the small Israeli town of Sharon near Tel Aviv.
The heroic sheen of the IDF has now largely dissipated with its emergence as a mighty Army with latest weapons and an unstinted support of the US. It is no longer David with a slingshot facing mighty Goliath. In the four major wars it has fought, the IDF worsted numerically superior Arab armies with ease.
It’s difficult to remain a heroic David against such adversaries for long. The Palestinian intifada is now the heroic struggle of a people seeking to find their identity and their freedom. Just like Israel was before 1948.
The atrocities during the War of Independence can be justified by the fact that there was a war declared on the Jewish state by all its Arab neighbours — Egypt, Jordan and Syria — supported by the entire Arab world. The Israel mandated by the UN was not tenable in terms of security, and addition of territory to gain security could have even been justified. But the continued occupation of West Bank since 1967 and the continued building of settlements in defiance of UN resolutions and in the face of world opinion are ugly and contemptuous manifestations of a narrow nationalism.
Israel is no longer the valiant and beleaguered underdog, but increasingly seen as an arrogant oppressor seeking to crush another old nation under its jackboots. The sad truth about Israel is that now Benjamin Netanyahu is fact and Ari Ben Canaan is fiction.
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the relentless din against Israel in this thread is quite indicative of the naivety of modern Indians.

what option does Israel have other than the one it's currently following? how can they think of accepting a 2-state solution when the Islamics don't even recognize the Right of Israel to exist?

the questions that Israel faces about its existence are the same kind of questions that Hindus have faced since our first interaction with Islamic forces. It is the same question that our own Jammu and Kashmiri Hindus have faced under Islamic onslaught for generations and centuries now.

the same question that Assam and Kerala face. the same issue that the Hindus of Pakistan and Bangladesh faced for generations until being hauled out of their homes in both those regions.

we confront the issue of Islam and Jihad and yet go on lecturing to a tiny foreign nation which faces the very same threat to its existence. and yet, people like Philip and many others above keep on repeating the defeatist rhetoric that we need to sympathize with the Islamics and demonize Israel.

Yes, I did call it defeatist. people who argue for the "rights" of Islamics even as Islam consistently refuses to give up its genocidal RIGHT to Jihad, are essentially arguing for the wipe-out of the non-proselytizing Abrahamics (Jews), and the last remaining ancient religions of the world (Hindutva and its branches). if the people calling for Islamic 'rights', even as Islamics don't give up their right to Jihad, happen to be Hindus/Indians themselves, then they are defeatists who have a vested interest in the enslavement of India to the same Islamic Jihad.
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Haven't seen such passionate argument and support to mitigate the suffering of Kashmiri refugees, whose population is comparable to that of palis,. Heck, we do not even have a thread dedicated to sufferings of Kashmiri refugees. No breast-beating or wailing about the condition of Kashmiri refugee children, but man palis must be at a higher totem pole in the grand scheme of things.

As already stated, palis are small section, who are occupying way too much mind share. Israelis are doing what needs to be done. period. And they are ready to live with the consequence of their actions. They are trying to fix the problem in one way, they may or may not be successful. There is no need to transplant panch-sheel, kumbhaya type solutions to their situation.
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Libya - in tripoli, two militias are having a private war. yday 20 migrant workers were killed.
in benghazi, the govt and islamist militia are fighting leading to death another couple dozen.
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nageshks wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote: According to some, the original pioneers of suicide bombing were the LTTE. I guess, back then, it used to be called the shoe-side veshti.

Jai Hind.
Out of curiosity, when was the first shoeside veshti exploded in Lanka? Or in general? I remember that the Hezbollah rammed the US barracks in Beirut in 1983, blowing up 200 or so US marines. And before that, there were German plans to blow up Adolf Hitler with a shoeside vesht. Although, none succeeded, in one case, one of the shoeside vesht bomber wannabes actually lit a 10 minute fuse to his bomb, while conducting old Adolf through a visit to a picture gallery, and Adolf left after just 2 minutes after that, leaving the poor perplexed wannabe bomber in a fit. He ran into a toilet to douse the fuse after Adolf left.
From the googly:

Tamil Tigers: Suicide Bombing Innovators
Robert Pape joins us now. He's professor of political science at the University of Chicago and director of the Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism. And he joins us from Chicago Public Radio.
NEARY: So tell me how the Tamil Tigers came to use suicide attack as a strategy.

Prof. PAPE: Well, in the 1980s, the Tamil Tigers were becoming the lead resistance group or independence movement on the island of Sri Lanka. And at this point in time, there was a little bit of, actually, a crossover between the Tamil Tigers and Hezbollah, that famous suicide terrorist group from Lebanon.

And in 1983, there were actually several Tamil Tiger cadre, just a couple, who were training in some Hezbollah terrorist camps right at the moment that there was that spectacular suicide truck bombing of the U.S. Marines in Beirut that killed 241 Marines and that led Ronald Reagan, just a few months later, to pull all the U.S. troops out of Beirut.

Well, a few years later, the head of the Tamil Tigers, Prabhakaran, decided to try to model an attack just after the Beirut suicide truck assassination. And in July 1987, the very first Tamil Tiger suicide attack occurred when a person by the name of Captain Miller drove a truck into a barracks of Sinhalese army troops who were sleeping, effectively trying to copy that attack. And that then set off the entire wave that came over the - over the next 20-something years.

NEARY: Now when you say they copied the attack, was there - and you say there was contact between the Tamil Tigers and Hezbollah. Were there -did they received training from Hezbollah, or was it simply a matter of learning about it via the media and then trying to imitate it? How does it…

Prof. PAPE: Yeah. Training is probably a little too much here, because it's really more of the demonstration. And it's - when I say copy, I mean, the tactic of a single driver of a truck, a truck that's laden with explosives, that's attacking a camp, an army camp early in the morning, and is essentially attacking a barracks of sleeping soldiers.

So that that - those are the key features of the Beirut - the suicide truck assassination in Beirut in October '83 and exactly the same tactical features of the first Tamil suicide attack. And then after that attack, even though it didn't lead to sort of the same political success, it did lead to a fair bit of martyrdom for Captain Miller.

So what Prabhakaran did is he decided to make a tremendous political display in the Tamil homelands of this person who had done the attack named Captain Miller. And a statue was erected. The statue was displayed prominently in Jaffna. That's the key Tamil city in the Jaffna Peninsula in the northern part of Sri Lanka.
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Philip wrote:If there was no 7 yr. blockade of Gaza there would be no tunnels.Removing the blockade and having designated routes into Gaza from Egypt and the coast,where scrutiny of the vehicles entering is conducted would ease the ghetto-like conditions ,give the Palestinians a far better quality of life and engage them in meaningful activity building up their society not building bombs and rockets."A hungry man is an angry man" and cornered in their "rat holes",the Gazaans are fighting for their very survival.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/
Obama and Pope call for peace in Gaza as child death toll rises

The problem for O'Bomber and the US as "peacemakers" is,that its hands are infinitely more bloodstained than the Israelis! One could even argue with some justification,that what Bibi N. has done is to merely follow O'Bomber and Uncle Sam's example,where for over a decade now,over a million people have lost their lives due to cretinous US instigated illegal invasions and engineered conflicts ,which have not brought peace to those troubled lands,but violence unprecedented and a return to stone age civilisation.All to the accompaniment of that famous US anthem,"beating the retreat".The latest nation where the US has "beaten the retreat" is Libya,where it has in indecent haste,Saigon style,it has "evacuated its bowels...sorry,embassy!" American turds lie all across the globe,remnants of its dismal diplomacy,where it prefers to "war ,war" instead of "jaw,jaw". And we blame the Israelis.

Here is Mohan Guruswamy in the Asian Age writing about the "facts and fiction" of the matter.A useful primer.

http://www.asianage.com/columnists/isra ... iction-333
Israel: Fact & fiction
Jul 27, 2014
Israel today is no longer the valiant and beleaguered underdog it was once. It is increasingly seen as an arrogant oppressor seeking to crush another old nation under its jackboots.

The Israeli assault on Gaza is horrific in its ferocity and far exceeds the limits of justifiable and even acceptable retribution.

There was once an image of Israelis being a people of heroic dimensions and sterling character forged by the many tyrannies that the Jewish diaspora suffered, including the industrial-scale pogrom of extermination undertaken by Nazi Germany. The founding of the state of Israel held out the promise of a new nation that, tempered by their experiences and motivated by the high idealism of its founders, would give the world something to look up to. It was this idealism that inspired India to be among the first three countries to recognise it.
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This is a common fiction, but in reality, trauma and torment produces twisted monsters much more often than heroes "forged in the flames." Flesh and blood will stink and shrivel and heal in grotesque and ugly ways when put in the burning, fiery furnace.
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There is no tirade.Humanity demands that a death toll of over 1000 mainly women and children is unacceptable.Even O'Bomber has finally taken off his blinkers and demanded an "unconditional end" to the Israeli bombardment.

The security of Israel is non-negotiable.So is recognition from Palestinian entities which as of now do not recognise it.This could all be part of a package deal.The problem is no one is walking the talk about a final peace settlement,especially the US which pays lip service to a lasting peace in the ME,but instead is promoting and pursuing war and regime change everywhere! One must seriously ask whether global peace is really in US interests,or are we as George Orwell brilliantly foretold in his book 1984,a state or permanent war between shifting alliances. Since no one is walking the talk of "peace",the hardline Israeli govt. of Bibi N. pursues relentlessly its policy of settlement expansion into traditional Arab lands pushing them to the brink.Allowing Gaza to become a festering cesspit has also been entirely israel's fault by its asinine blockade going on 7 yrs. "What you sow,so shall ye reap"...for both sides in the conflict.
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Gaza, was not blockaded till such time the PA was in charge. It was post the Hammas take over and the brutal executions of the PA members by Hammas, that led to Isreal imposing the Blockade.

Please get your history right.

Even following the last gaza war of 2008. Hammas was engaged in killing the surviving PA members.
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Philip wrote:There is no tirade.Humanity demands that a death toll of over 1000 mainly women and children is unacceptable.Even O'Bomber has finally taken off his blinkers and demanded an "unconditional end" to the Israeli bombardment.

The security of Israel is non-negotiable.So is recognition from Palestinian entities which as of now do not recognise it.This could all be part of a package deal.The problem is no one is walking the talk about a final peace settlement,especially the US which pays lip service to a lasting peace in the ME,but instead is promoting and pursuing war and regime change everywhere! One must seriously ask whether global peace is really in US interests,or are we as George Orwell brilliantly foretold in his book 1984,a state or permanent war between shifting alliances. Since no one is walking the talk of "peace",the hardline Israeli govt. of Bibi N. pursues relentlessly its policy of settlement expansion into traditional Arab lands pushing them to the brink.Allowing Gaza to become a festering cesspit has also been entirely israel's fault by its asinine blockade going on 7 yrs. "What you sow,so shall ye reap"...for both sides in the conflict.
What you have said is reasonable, but clearly not going to happen barring a drastic shift in the power balance. Even then, we may not like what will happen.

Currently, there is nothing we can do about any of this, and it is not clear what benefit there is in trying, or appearing to try.

We can perhaps talk about what lessons there are for us in all this.
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JE Menon wrote:SwamyG

What reform would you advise for the "fanatics of Judaism"?
A difference in my mind between an orthodox and fanatic is that a fanatic views everything in a way that results in confrontation. Standing up for one's values, people or religion is one thing. An orthodox has the same rights as an orthodox hindu, muslim, christian etc. So it does not matter how they internally conduct their religion and rituals. If they affect others, then it becomes the problem of the world. The three religions from the region have caused nothing but bloodshed, misery and trauma to all. So by reforms, all I mean is create a society that has a control of their fringe elements have a pluralistic outlook.
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Is he a BRF lurker? A Pakistani origin Wow?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-riz ... 02701.html
The oft-cited politics/religion dichotomy in Abrahamic religions is false and misleading. All of the Abrahamic religions are inherently political.
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Religion is about seeking God and not about seeking political power.
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KLN,yes. Even the US general who was briefing the media on the current crisis when asked when peace would happen said ,"not in my lifetime".

The key problem is that on both sides,there is no entity willing or able to put real pressure to stop the fighting or seek a genuine peace.The US is the only nation which can restrain Israel as it supplies it with most of its key weaponry,aircraft,missiles,tech,etc,plus vast qtys. of money overt and covert. This is due to the huge Jewish lobby in the US without which no aspirant for president can be elected. On the opposition side,pushed to the brink of existence where survival is paramount,there is little that any Arab/Muslim entity can do to persuade the Palestinians,Hamas,the Hiz,etc. Like cornered rats,the Palestinians are fighting back tooth and nail. Frankly they have nothing to lose.does anyone envy their current existence? Any Israeli would like to trade his kibbutz home for a Gaza rathole? So as the saying goes,"water (nay blood) will find its own level". One can only pray for the victims.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... complished
Israel says Gaza campaign will continue 'until mission is accomplished'
House of Ismail Haniyeh, a senior Hamas leader, hit by missile after suggestions of a major escalation of military action in Gaza
Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
The Guardian, Monday 28 July 2014 19.48 BST
Link to video: Israel vows to continue to act with force as nine children are killed in Gaza

The war in Gaza erupted afresh on Monday as Israel warned of a protracted military campaign to destroy cross-border tunnels and disarm Hamas and other militant groups.

"We need to be prepared for a long operation until our mission is accomplished," Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu said in a televised press conference, rejecting mounting international calls for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire.

Just after midnight , reports from Gaza described flares lighting up the sky amid intense shelling, with drones flying overhead. Gaza's interior ministry announced that the house of a Hamas leader, Ismail Haniyeh, was hit by a missile. No immediate casualties were reported.

Netanyahu – who described the conflict as a "just war" – spoke after a series of dramatic events following a lull in fighting on Sunday and early Monday. Eight children playing in a park in a Gaza refugee camp were killed, the main public hospital was struck, four Israeli soldiers were killed in a mortar attack and militants from Gaza infiltrated Israel through a tunnel.

Israel Defence Forces warned residents of neighbourhoods in northern Gaza – including Shujai'iya, the scene of some of the most intense fighting in the three-week war – to evacuate immediately, suggesting a major escalation of military action was imminent.

Benny Gantz, Israel's military chief of staff, and defence minister Moshe Ya'alon also said the operation would continue as long as necessary. "Gaza residents should distance themselves from areas in which Hamas is acting because we will get there and it will be painful," Gantz said.

The renewed bloodshed added urgency to international calls for a ceasefire. Earlier on Monday the UN secretary-general, Ban Ki-moon, reiterated the security council's call for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire, demanding that both sides end the fighting "in the name of humanity".

The statements from the three men directing the military offensive on Gaza will gratify hawkish cabinet ministers and media commentators who have been stridently urging an expansion of the operation to try to deal a decisive blow to Hamas.

But Israel's decision to press ahead with the operation risks alienating its key ally, the US, after Barack Obama told Netanyahu of his concern over civilian casualties.

Eight children and two adults were killed, and dozens more injured, at the seafront Shati refugee camp on Monday. At the same time the Shifa hospital in Gaza City was hit. The incidents followed the end of a 24-hour unilateral ceasefire declared by Hamas to mark the start of the Muslim holiday of Eid.

Israel categorically denied its forces were responsible for the strike on the hospital or the camp, saying rockets launched by militants had misfired. But medical staff and other witnesses insisted missiles were fired at the hospital from an F-16 jet. Israel has previously accused Hamas militants of hiding in the hospital premises."We have not fired on the hospital or on Shati refugee camp," Major Arye Shalicar told AFP. "We know that Hamas was firing from both areas and the missiles struck these places."

In southern Israel a Palestinian mortar strike from Gaza killed four soldiers, the IDF said. A fifth soldier was killed in southern Gaza, bringing total military casualties to 48. A number of others were wounded in the attack. It was not confirmed whether the victims were military personnel or civilians.

At least one militant among a group which infiltrated Israel through a tunnel was killed as the men emerged near a community close to the border. Hamas said 10 Israeli soldiers had lost their lives but there was no confirmation from Israel.Warning sirens were reported in northern Israel, including the city of Haifa, suggesting Hamas could be deploying long-range missiles in its arsenal.

Earlier, following the end of the ceasefire at 2pm, there was renewed rocket fire from Gaza. The IDF warned that it would respond to rocket fire with further air strikes. "The IDF is free to attack after any fire if there is any," Brig Gen Motti Almoz told Israel Radio.

In New York Ban accused Netanyahu and Hamas leader-in-exile Khaled Mishal of being morally wrong for allowing civilians to be killed.

He urged both sides to demonstrate political will and compassionate leadership to end the bloodshed.

Gaza was in a "critical condition" after three weeks of military offensive, which raised serious questions about proportionality, he told reporters.

The UN and Obama had also called for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire. The calls followed a series of unilateral ceasefire announcements by both sides, each of which was rejected by the other amid mutual blame and recrimination.

A presidential statement issued by the UN security council just after midnight in New York on Sunday, called on the parties to the conflict "to accept and fully implement the humanitarian ceasefire into the Eid period and beyond" and "to engage in efforts to achieve a durable and fully respected ceasefire, based on the Egyptian initiative".

It noted "grave concern regarding the deterioration in the situation as a result of the crisis related to Gaza and the loss of civilian lives and casualties" and called for Israel and Hamas to respect international law.

Obama told Netanyahu of his concern at the rising number of civilian deaths and urged an immediate, unconditional ceasefire. He stressed the importance of "ensuring Israel's security, protecting civilians, alleviating Gaza's humanitarian crisis and enacting a sustainable ceasefire that both allows Palestinians in Gaza to lead normal lives and addresses Gaza's long-term development and economic needs, while strengthening the Palestinian Authority".

However, in his television address on Monday night, Netanyahu vowed: "We will not end this operation without neutralising the tunnels whose sole purpose is killing our citizens."

According to the UN, more than 20 hospitals and medical centres have been hit by Israeli shelling and about 1,060 people – mostly civilians – killed, with 6,000 injured. The Israeli death toll exceeded 50.

In Egypt, former president Mohamed Morsi who was overthrown in a military coup a year ago praised the "resistance" in Gaza.

"Our compass is set on supporting Palestine against the usurping occupier and we are with any resistance against any occupier," Morsi said in a message posted on his official Facebook page. "A full salute to those who resist and to the revolutionaries."

Hamas is an offshoot of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, which has been outlawed under the regime of Abdel Fatah al-Sisi.
PS:"Mission accomplished".Scary famous last words,remember Dubya Bush? What happened? ISIS took over most of Iraq! As one US analyst said,after Hamas we may get something even worse.
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Iran's leader says Israel commits "genocide" in Gaza
Israel has committed "genocide" in Gaza Strip, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said here on Tuesday.

"What Israeli authorities are doing (in Gaza) today is a genocide and a big historical disaster," Khamenei said when addressing a huge crowd gathered to mark the festival of Eid al- Fitr at the end of fasting Muslim month of Ramadan.

The nations and the world peacemakers should demand the punishment of those who committed these crimes and those who were their supporters, Khamenei said, stressing that the passage of time should not affect this demand.

"The first and foremost issue of the Islamic world and, perhaps, humanity today is Gaza," he said, adding that "a rabid dog and a rapacious wolf have attacked the oppressed people and the world should react to this."

The resistance of Palestinians in Gaza, who are under blockade and deprived of water and power supplies, shows "the power of a nation" and this is "a big lesson," he added.

The recent developments in Gaza show that the enemy is " regretful" about what it had done and it is strangled in a dilemma, so it seeks European and the U.S. help to "impose cease-fire on the Gazans," Kamenei said.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31788.html

Israel-Gaza conflict: Obama presses Netanyahu to call ‘immediate and unconditional’ Gaza ceasefire
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Washington ratcheted up the pressure on Israel on Sunday night to end the bloodshed in Gaza after the US President, Barack Obama, stressed to Benjamin Netanyahu the need for an immediate, unconditional ceasefire.

Stopping short of calling for an end to the blockade of Gaza, Mr Obama told the Israeli Prime Minister in a telephone call that any peace deal “must ensure the disarmament of terrorist groups and the demilitarisation of Gaza”.

It came as Israel and Hamas wrestled over whether to extend a humanitarian lull in their 20-day old war as Israel approached a fateful decision on what to do when it completes the stated initial goal of its ground offensive: locating and destroying Hamas cross border tunnels.

Army chief of staff Major-General Benny Gantz told reporters on Sunday that the military had completed most of the work of locating and destroying Hamas tunnels, a statement that raises the question of where Israel will take the war in a few days when that is accomplished. Possibilities include finding new military goals, declaring victory and unilaterally withdrawing troops from Gaza, or escalating to a campaign to militarily destroy Hamas.

There is also a possibility of a ceasefire, but the Israeli moment of truth approaches at a time when US-brokered efforts for a comprehensive ceasefire appear to be foundering, with Israel and Hamas adhering to mutually exclusive conditions.

With the war goals becoming fuzzier, Amos Yadlin, head of the country's most influential think-tank, the Institute for National Strategic Studies, advocated the, “weakening and even destruction” of the Islamist group that rules the coastal enclave. At the start of the war, that position was heard only on the far right fringes and its advocacy by Mr Yadlin, a former intelligence chief, and some ministers in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party suggests it is becoming more mainstream.


The outlook for a ceasefire was bleak. In addition to completing the tunnel operations, Israel wants Hamas “demilitarised” and does not want it to be able to claim a victory in the form of its demands being met. Hamas, meanwhile, is adhering to its demands that there can be no ceasefire without guarantees that Israel and Egypt will lift the border strictures crippling the Strip's economy and that Israel will release Hamas leaders it recently rearrested in the West Bank. Mr Netanyahu told NBC that the unconditional ceasefire proposal of Egypt, which was rejected by Hamas, “is the only game in town.”

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Anger over Gaza: The world tells Israel - 'Enough!'
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He added that Israel is demanding the “demilitarization” of Gaza, a term understood to mean the stripping from Hamas of its rockets and heavy weapons. He said that any future economic assistance should be linked to this demilitarisation and alleged that international funds to build kindergartens were diverted by Hamas to making tunnels to be used to blow up Israeli kindergartens

But how to get Hamas to agree to disarm? Mr Yadlin, the think-tank director, believes the answer is “much more military pressure on the Hamas military wing. We have destroyed some battalions but we haven't destroyed the core of the military wing. Hamas has been beaten but not enough. The only way to achieve a durable ceasefire is by weakening or even destroying Hamas.”

Menachem Klein, a political scientist at Bar Ilan University near Tel Aviv, took issue with Mr Yadlin’s prescription. “Hamas is not just a military chain of command, it is an idea, a social network, welfare institutions and a political party so it is impossible to destroy it physically and their idea of liberation will remain in the minds of people.”
This looks like another round of the "war to end all wars".No one has learnt the lesson of WW1. Hamas even if sorely diminished militarily,will find in time other ways to recoup,or we may see another even worse entity take over with even more diabolic intentions than firing mere rockets into Israel.Lebanon,Syria,Jordan and even Egypt are not secure politically.With the emergence of ISIS and more from the lunatic and heretic fringe of Islamist Wahaabism and "Caliphism",Hamas might look like boy scouts in the future.

Latest news.60 killed last night,in the most ferocious attack ever by Israel.Continuing air strikes as well.10 Israeli soldiers killed in a surprise Hamas raid into Northern Israel.This i a new development.The only power plant in Gaza has been destroyed by the Israelis.
Mahmood Abbas on his way to Cairo where a ceasefire is being attempted.
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I think Israel Has a good strategy here, make life in Gaza so bad that the residents will emigrate and then intergrate the land. The GCC leaders though will trying thier best from this happening, Palestinian leaders especially expats need to keep the pot boiling so Arab leaders have an issue which they can distract their public with. Hamas leaders are paid to keep needling Israel, Israelis have realized that in the long term they need to reduce Gaza population, I am sure much of the Population in Gaza if allowed to will emigrate.

I wonder what would be the fate of the Jews if the Arabs had the miltary superiority the way Israel has, it would be a genocide like the what happened in Pakistan, where Hindus and Pakistanis from 33% in 1941 went to 1.5% by 1951.
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Aditya_V wrote:I think Israel Has a good strategy here, make life in Gaza so bad that the residents will emigrate and then intergrate the land. The GCC leaders though will trying thier best from this happening, Palestinian leaders especially expats need to keep the pot boiling so Arab leaders have an issue which they can distract their public with. Hamas leaders are paid to keep needling Israel, Israelis have realized that in the long term they need to reduce Gaza population, I am sure much of the Population in Gaza if allowed to will emigrate.

I wonder what would be the fate of the Jews if the Arabs had the miltary superiority the way Israel has, it would be a genocide like the what happened in Pakistan, where Hindus and Pakistanis from 33% in 1941 went to 1.5% by 1951.
Spot on sir. And, they get to test Iron dome using real people showering rockets. Very interesting to note that the offensive happened right after several EU countries/MNC started putting trade barriers right after additional Gaza settlements.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31788.html

Israel-Gaza conflict: Gaza endures heavy night of bombardment
A building within the Gaza port burns after several strikes early on July 29, 2014

Gaza endures five hours of thunderous bombardment by strike aircraft and artillery following the deaths of five Israeli soldiers
Gaza Strip refugee camp and hospital 'hit by Israeli missiles'
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You destroy 'an idea, a movement etc' by defeating it militarily and hanging the thought leaders after due process like at Nuremberg.
So Prof Klein is talking through his mushy!

Philip, Relax and think from Indian POV and not some subaltern sympathy.

you are mistaking an underwolf for an underdog.
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ISIL has started direct attacks on Syrian forces. Also released, alongwith, video of beheading Syrian soldiers, Syrian teenagers and so on. link1, link2.

Wonder where are protests against the beheading caliphate of ISIL. The representatives & owners of morality and human rights are silent as usual. Propaganda seems to go nowhere and people across continents seem to ignore the beheading caliphate.
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A fitting case of "The dog that didn't bark!"
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A_Gupta wrote:Video via
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/2 ... t-to-music
6000 years of slaughter.
Perfect,As the Bible says, “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”
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What is happening in Gaza is a microcosm of what is happening to the human race.It is not underdog or underwolf.Are we to progress into a greater standard or civilisation or regress into barbarianism? It just happens to be Israel here.ISIS is doing the same in Iraq.The UKR junta are shelling the east indiscriminately.If all nations decided to adopt the same tactics to resolve disputes we'll soon be back to the stone age.As Einstein said...

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

Indian interests in the region as I've said in another td. are very much involved.It is not just Gaza.The entire region is afire,where millions of Indians are employed,the largest earner of foreign exchange, and are at risk from the conflict,like our 1000 nurses trapped in Libya.The world as Marshall McLuhan said is now a "global village".We are interlinked more than ever before.
The MEA's ostrich approach to foreign policy displayed magnificently over the last decade has to be discarded if India is to take its rightful place in the comity of nations. As a friend of Israel we can and must advise it that its short term gains in Gaza may backfire in the long term.
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Philip wrote:As a friend of Israel we can and must advise it that its short term gains in Gaza may backfire in the long term.
Are we Sirji? :) I thought we are friends of Palestine people. And we must be advising them to stop rocket attacks on Israel and tell them that the short terms gains they get by launching rockets against Israel may backfire in the long term. :)
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I think that let them settle their differences themselves. This is going for such a long time. Either Israel survives or Palestine. Let them decide it.
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There is a boycott oil, go electric movement going on at the moment. :) This is in response to the Arab support to Palestine. They say that the oil prices are going to come down heavily because of that. :)
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Not to distract anyone, but ... :D

Jew-kissing-Arab selfie goes viral amid Israel-Gaza fighting
The campaign, Jews and Arabs Refuse to Be Enemies, was initiated by Abraham Gutman, an Israeli student living in New York, and his Syrian friend Dania Darwish, according to media reports. Using the hashtag #JewsAndArabsRefuseToBeEnemies, people have posted images on Twitter and Facebook of Jews and Arabs together, holding pro-peace signs or engaging in acts of goodwill.

One couple’s photo has become the face of the campaign: a selfie of half-Lebanese Sulome Anderson kissing her Orthdox Jewish boyfriend, which she posted to Twitter with the caption, “He calls me neshama, I call him habibi. Love doesn't speak the language of occupation #JewsAndArabsRefuseToBeEnemies”
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Uddu,we are supposedly friends of both.The state of Israel was decided by a UN mandate.Therefore there is no going back to "throwing the Israelis into the sea" as some extremists advocate.What we are seeing in Gaza today is the symptom of the disease,not the disease itself.One must ask why the Hamas/Palestinians are firing rockets into Israel. It is a result of the appalling conditions there due to a 7 yr. blockade .Unless the root of the problem,a lasting peace settlement is found,the tragic happenings today will be repeated cycle after cycle in ever greater intensity in the future,and if outside entities get involved even more,the very survival of the Israeli state will be at risk.
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Another UN school has now been attacked,19 dead 90 injured.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... ombardment
Gaza: another UN school hit in further night of fierce bombardment
Officials say more than 40 people died in Gaza as Israel continued heaviest bombing of 23-day campaign
At least 19 Palestinians were killed and about 90 injured early on Wednesday when a UN school sheltering people was hit by shells during a second night of relentless bombardment that followed an Israeli warning of a protracted military campaign.

Gaza health officials said at least 43 people died in intense air strikes and tank shelling of Jabaliya, a neighbourhood of Gaza City. The death toll included the people at the school who had fled their own homes. Bombardment from Israeli gunboats continued without respite for much of the night.

The last two nights have seen the most fierce bombardment in this Gaza offensive. In 23 days more than 1,240 Palestinians, most of them civilians, have been killed. On the Israeli side 53 soldiers and three civilians have been killed.

A spokeswoman for the Israel Defence Forces said the military was investigating reports that a UN school had been struck.

Last week 15 people died and about 200 were wounded when another UN school in Beit Hanoun was hit as the playground was filled with families awaiting evacuation amid heavy fighting. Israel denied it was responsible for the deaths, saying a single “errant” shell fired by its forces hit the school playground, which was empty at the time.

But according to testimonies gathered by UN staff, an initial shell was followed by “several others in the close vicinity of the school within a matter of minutes”, spokesman Chris Gunness said. Reporters who visited the scene minutes afterwards said damage and debris was consistent with mortar rounds.

The UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA, said on Tuesday it had found a cache of rockets at one of its schools in Gaza and deplored those who had put them there for placing civilians in harm’s way.

“This is yet another flagrant violation of the neutrality of our premises. We call on all the warring parties to respect the inviolability of UN property,” Gunness said. Two similar discoveries were made last week.

Israel says militants from Hamas and other organisations launch rockets from the vicinity of UNRWA properties.

More than 200,000 people in Gaza have taken shelter in the UN’s schools and properties after Israel warned them to leave whole neighbourhoods that it was planning to bomb. UNRWA said it was at “breaking point”.

The Israeli military said it had targeted 75 sites since midnight, taking the total since the beginning of the conflict to 4,100. It had detonated three tunnels in Gaza in the past 24 hours, it added.

Among the overnight targets were five mosques, which the IDF said housed tunnel shafts, weapons stores and lookout posts, and two “facilities” utilised by senior Hamas militants.

Amid confusing reports about possible ceasefires, the Israeli security cabinet was due to meet on Wednesday to review the conflict and consider next steps.

A Palestinian delegation including President Mahmoud Abbas and representatives of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, the main militant factions in Gaza, was due to arrive in Cairo on Wednesday for ceasefire talks

International pressure for an end to the bloodshed has continued to mount. On Tuesday the British prime minister, David Cameron, added his weight to calls for an unconditional, immediate humanitarian ceasefire.

“What we’re seeing is absolutely heartbreaking in terms of the loss of life … everyone wants to see this stopped,” he said. Blaming Hamas for triggering the conflict, he added: “Hamas must stop attacking Israel with rocket attacks. That is how this started. It’s completely unjustified and they need to stop as part of the ceasefire.”

Chile and Peru said they were recalling their ambassadors to Israel. “Chile observes with great concern and discouragement that the military operations – which at this point appear to be a collective punishment to the Palestinian civil population in Gaza – don’t respect fundamental norms of international humanitarian law,” its foreign ministry said.

But support for the military operation among the Israeli public remained solid. A poll published by Tel Aviv university on Tuesday found 95% of Israeli Jews felt the offensive was justified. Only 4% believed too much force had been used.

Hamas released a video showing fighters inside tunnels in Gaza and containing a voice message from Mohammed Deif, the leader of its armed wing, the Qassam Brigades. “The occupying entity will not enjoy security unless our people live in freedom and dignity,” Deif said. “There will be no ceasefire before the [Israeli] aggression is stopped and the blockade is lifted. We will not accept interim solutions.”
Gaza conflict timeline

On Tuesday flames and clouds of black smoke billowed over Gaza’s only power plant after it was destroyed. “The power plant is finished,” said its director, Mohammed al-Sharif, signalling a new crisis for Gaza’s 1.8 million people, who were already enduring power cuts of more than 20 hours a day.

Amnesty International said the crippling of the power station amounted to “collective punishment of Palestinians”. The strike on the plant will worsen already severe problems with Gaza’s water supply, sewage treatment and power supplies to medical facilities.

“We need at least one year to repair the power plant, the turbines, the fuel tanks and the control room,” said Fathi Sheik Khalil of the Gaza energy authority. “Everything was burned.” He said crew members were trapped by the fire for several hours before they were able to be evacuated.

Gaza City officials said damage to the power station could paralyse pumps and urged residents to ration water.

The home of the Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, was destroyed on Tuesday and a building used by Hamas-controlled broadcast outlets was damaged. Haniyeh was not at home when a missile struck shortly before dawn; most of Hamas’s senior leaders are presumed to be residing in underground bunkers for the duration of the war.

The US secretary of state, John Kerry, said he was in discussions with Netanyahu to find an end to the fighting in Gaza. The pair had spoken “two, three, four times a day in recent days”, Kerry told reporters in Washington.

They were working “very carefully and thoughtfully” on ways to “prevent this spiralling downwards”, he said.

Kerry reiterated US support for Israel’s right to self-defence, “to live free from rockets and tunnels”. The secretary of state has come under sustained attack in Israel over what was perceived as undue sympathy for Hamas’s position in ceasefire negotiations in the Middle East and Paris last week.
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Watch and learn. That's what eventually has to be done to Pak. On a national scale.
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One must ask why the Hamas/Palestinians are firing rockets into Israel. It is a result of the appalling conditions there due to a 7 yr. blockade
Hamas is firing unguided rockets into Israel is because their interests is in eliminating the kafir jews. Any reduction in kafir is a cause of celebration for these sheep lovers rapists and their supporters. The poverty tag is played for too long. The pure and simple truth is ummah doesn't allow anyone to live anywhere unless one becomes a faithful. period.
Israel is taking on the Arab imperialism and shoving it where the sun doesn't shine. Notes to be taken and learnt. One does not feed the ummah beast by peaceful means.
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This is news. Pl provide translation

https://www.facebook.com/Sangairidhvan/ ... =1&theater

Are these guys malaysian or Indian? Two guys have also tagged them - Mydeen Khan and Asrou Ali
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தொண்டியிலிருந்து புறப்பட்டுள்ள சூறாவளி....!!
தமிழக முஸ்லிம்களின் வரலாற்றில் யாரும் மறக்க முடியாத ஊர் தொண்டி.
இராமநாதபுரம் மாவட்டத்திலுள்ள தொண்டி தமிழக முஸ்லிம் தலைவர்களை பெற்றெடுத்த ஊர்.
இப்பொழுது புதிதாக ஓர் சூறாவளி புறப்பட்டுள்ளது.
புதிய சூறாவளி என்றாலும் உலகையே திரும்பி பார்க்க வைத்த அக்னி பிரவேசம்.
A new storm has started from Thondi (Ramanathapuram district)
In Tamil Muslim history, none can forget Thondi - it is the birthplace of Muslim leaders.
Now a new storm has started. Although new, it will make heads turn.
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Looks like a bunch of wannabes. Probably all 15-20 year olds showing solidarity with ISIS.

One RoPer commenting:
"This will only create trouble ..there are already rumours that some ISS men are roaming within our community. This will bring a suspicion on all of the muslims in the area. think what will happen to you and your family if someone arrests you on suspicious grounds. As it is, we are getting accused have planting bombs for doing nothing ... "
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The Home Min. should be exceptionally alert to prevent Indian Muslim youth from attempting to travel to the various ME conflicts and enlist with the jihadis there.Britain has had hundreds of wannabee martyrs enlisting,there was a piece in the Deccan Chronicle today on the same. But it is going to be impossible for any govt. to prevent sympathisers from doing so once they leave Indian shores.We need both local intel as well as extra scrutiny at Emigration counters at airports ,extra questioning of such youth going abroad to the region,to weed out suspects. Returning jihadis could add to the headache existing already with the IM and Naxals.

Here is an israeli report on an aspect of the fighting which has had little scrutiny before,the intel war being fought on both sides.
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protecti ... mas-369369
The shadow intelligence war between the IDF and Hamas
By YAAKOV LAPPIN
07/30/2014
Gazan civilian life has absorbed a serious blow and there is little doubt, behind closed doors, in the minds of many Gazans that Hamas led them to their current state.
Hamas map
A Hamas regional operations map recovered by the IDF in Gaza Photo: IDF SPOKESMAN'S OFFICE

The IDF and Hamas are engaged in shadow intelligence war, in which each side seeks to learn as much as it can about the other and use the information to plan painful attacks.

Hamas has come a long way in the world of field intelligence, having recently set up a surveillance and reconnaissance division that is able to communicate the position of IDF ground forces to attack cells, which in turn emerge from tunnels and open fire in coordinated strikes.
Related:

Report: Hamas executes alleged spies, shoots protesters in Gaza

On the Israeli side, a mammoth intelligence effort is under way to support the ground forces in Gaza. Military Intelligence and Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) work around the clock to provide alerts for threats such as imminent use of tunnels by Hamas, anti-tank missile attacks, Hamas drones, raids on the Israeli coast from Gaza and rocket launches.

The IDF has in recent years invested heavily in intelligence- based combat. This involves Military Intelligence working intimately with the Infantry Brigades and the Armored and Engineering Corps on the ground. Military Intelligence has deployed its officers to the headquarters of army brigades that are now maneuvering in Gaza.

There, they share a wealth of information on the enemy, including signal and visual intelligence. Their presence also speeds up the time it takes to open fire on a target detected by Military Intelligence.

The valuable information is filtered down to battalion and company commanders, who learn about tunnel locations, Hamas weapons facilities, and where to go next from their current position. The intelligence also enables ground forces to avoid booby-trapped homes and ambushes.

Every 12 hours, Military Intelligence draws up a new operational plan, allowing for adjustment to real-time developments on the battlefield.

Military Intelligence has, for example, provided the Israel Air Force with alerts about Hamas drones that have taken off from Gaza and are headed for Israeli air space. It is then up to the IAF to shoot down the unmanned aircraft.

According to Military Intelligence data, Hamas has built a small fleet of armed drones, but these are more primitive than the drones in possession of Hezbollah.

When it comes to tunnels, Military Intelligence sends ground forces to the precise location of shafts in Gaza. IDF units often have to map out the full path of the tunnel.

Military Intelligence is also aware of the location of complex mazes of interconnected underground passages, which surface in Israel in multiple locations.

Before the operation broke out, Hamas, acutely aware of the surveillance it is under, tried to avoid being detected when the diggers were picked up from homes and brought to work sites.

The IDF is learning a great deal about tunnels as ground forces advance in Gaza, adding to its previous knowledge base.

Yet it remains unlikely that the military will know about every tunnel Hamas has dug.

Between November 2012, when the previous Hamas-Israel conflict ended, and July 2014, Military Intelligence created an overall target list of 1,257 terrorist assets. It then accumulated 2,423 targets during the fighting. This has allowed the IDF to attack some 3,800 terrorist targets since the start of the operation.

Additionally, the IDF has gathered information on Hamas rocket launcher locations, air defenses, and regime buildings.

By the time Operation Protective Edge began, Hamas had already moved underground, knowing that Israel was looking for its senior commanders, who are hiding in safe locations, often underneath large civilian structures.


Meanwhile, in Israel, the Shin Bet is questioning 179 Gazan security suspects taken into custody by the army.


The assessment of Military Intelligence is that Hamas has absorbed a serious blow over the past three weeks, and that it will take the organization a long time to recover.

Gazan civilian life has also absorbed a serious blow, and, according to Israeli evaluations, behind closed doors there is little doubt in the minds of many Gazans that Hamas led them to their state.

At the end of the operation, both the IDF and Hamas will carry out detailed studies of the other’s actions and seek to adapt their future moves accordingly.
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Hamas intelligence what ever exist would be easily out classed by the Israel's both on HUMINT , COMINT and SIGINT level.

Not to mention US would be aiding Shin Bet by providing HUMINT and Satellite Intelligence on Under Ground Tunnel.

Good Insight on the intel ops by both sides.
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Iraq has bought Russian weapons billion dollars
Iraq has signed a contract with Russia for the supply of arms and military equipment worth a billion dollars, the newspaper "Vedomosti", citing a source in the military-industrial complex. The agreements were signed during the visit of Defense Minister Saadoun al-Iraq Duleymi in Russia July 27, 2014. Agreement provides for the delivery of artillery and mortar weapons and ammunition, as well as four heavy flamethrower system TOS-1A "sun."

Sources also told the newspaper that Russia will supply to Iraq for two or three division multiple launch rocket systems "Grad" and howitzers "MSTA-B" 152 millimeter caliber. All the above will be partially produced weapons Russian enterprises, and partly supplied from the Armed Forces of Russia. Earlier, the Iraqi authorities have stated that they intend to significantly increase the volume of military-technical cooperation with Russia.

In October 2012, Iraqi Ministry of Defense has acquired Russian arms and military equipment totaling $ 4.2 billion. In a contract entered supply 36 attack helicopters Mi-28N and 42 anti-aircraft missile and gun complexes "Armour-C1." Baghdad later slightly reduced order for Mi-28N in favor of the acquisition of transport and combat helicopters Mi-35.

In June of this year, Iraq urgently purchased five fighter planes Su-25. In addition, the parties are negotiating the supply of ten fighters Su-27/30 and MiG-29M/M2 and heavy armored vehicles. With all of the total amount of contracts signed with Iraq Russian prisoners transactions can reach six billion dollars. The largest supplier of military equipment to Baghdad today is the United States; with this country Iraq signed contracts worth more than $ 12 billion.

It should be noted that in recent years Russia seems to have greatly accelerated the execution of contracts signed with Iraq. In particular, the July 28, 2014 appeared on the Internet photos of unloading transport aircraft An-124-100 units TOS-1A at Baghdad airport. In late June of this year, reported the arrival in Iraq of ten Su-30K fighters.
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