Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Aug 2014 23:17

Sayeeda Warsi never found a jihadi movement she did not support.

Stupid of UK to make her a Baroness. Shows their underlying support for jihadis all over the world.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 07 Aug 2014 17:29

arun wrote: Spectators headline is not the only negative one in the UK. One more uncomplimentary headline dealing with the Pakistani origin politicians resignation :

Baroness Token Resigns. Never Buy the First Pony You See

Warsi was of course useless. But it proves Cameron is not intelligent enough.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 08 Aug 2014 01:25

The British diaspora

According to the World Bank, the British diaspora (at nearly 5m people, roughly the size of Scotland) is the largest of any rich country and the eighth biggest overall.

But Britain’s government seems to have “no coherent strategy” for engaging with them..

Of 193 UN member states, 110 have formal programmes to build links with citizens abroad. Britain is not one of them. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office’s database of Britons abroad is patchy. Of all the high-flying expats with British passports your correspondent asks, only one—Danny Sriskandarajah, a migration expert based in South Africa—has had any contact with local embassies or with UKTI, Britain’s trade-promotion body. And his Indian friend has received much more attention from his consulate.

Indeed, India is a trailblazer in this field. It has an entire ministry for its emigrants. Mr Gamlen says it partly has this to thank for the success of its IT industry, built by Indians lured home from Silicon Valley and Europe. Other countries are similarly welcoming. Italy and France even reserve parliamentary seats for their diasporas.

The British government would probably have to work harder than most to sustain ties with the country’s expats. Britons are relatively good at melting into other countries without trace. They are a individualistic bunch, have Commonwealth links and a native language that often makes it easy to integrate.

Kiwi seeds

New Zealand offers a good model for Britain’s hands-off diplomats to emulate. Wellington has spent 30 years encouraging firms and philanthropists to root out Kiwis abroad. Its proudest achievement is the Kiwi Expat Association, a public-private partnership that supports and connects overseas New Zealanders through social media and networking events, and helps them return home if they so wish. Britain might also make it easier to bring spouses into the country. Expats who want to move back with their non-British partners often collide with their home country’s ever-tougher immigration regime.

If Britain does not want its talented globetrotters, others do. Germany actively recruits Britons to take apprenticeships there. Middle Eastern governments tour British universities doling out visas. Mr Wilson was contacted out of the blue by the Chinese authorities, who invited him to relocate his firm and offered to pay for his flight. “America and China seem really keen to attract us,” he says. “Britain just doesn’t seem that interested.”

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Aug 2014 02:11

The Baronness Warsi fiasco shows that Britain has effectively over the last few decades mortgaged its identity and politics to "immigrant votebanks" Congress style.In fact over the last 25 years of travel in the UK and EU,the steady decline in "Britishness" in the UK has been sad to watch.Britain is now caught between the Islamist fundoos of mainly Paki ethnic origin,and the criminal immigrants from eastern Europe.The primary culprits responsible for the downfall of the EU/UK were the Socialist parties of Europe and Labour in the UK,who used the immigrant vote as a bloc to wrest power from the Conservatives.Labour's contradictions,being held captive to the Unions saw it split into the SD's and the Liberals gained,but the backlash saw Maggie T and her ultra-right policies rule the roost until her acute unpopularity and policies which made the rich richer and poor poorer,saw her ousted in a party coup.Today,all parties have surrendered their interests to an extent to the "immigrant vote",which is actually pandering to Islamic interests.The headscarf was never seen in Britain earlier,mosques are springing up everywhere,Islamist militancy is on a boom,and the rise of UKIP is a consequence of the policies of appeasement to the Islamists.The hard trith is that Britain is no longer a "Christian " country and none of the politicos or religious leaders have the balls to say so and draw the line against the surging tide of Islamic extremism.

Instead of being principled and firm on maintaining Britain's core values,the rule of law,etc.,the lust to stay in power has made the British political species soft and mushy.One forsees decades of growing internal conflict ahead for the UK,esp. England,as the religio-cultural clash hits the streets.

This report is a stunning example of what has happened to Britain.Maverick politico GG has declared Bradford a no-go area for Israelis (read Jews) ,anti-semitism rears its ugly head openly.Muslim ghettos are springing up all over the country and the rule of British law will soon be replaced by Sharia law! The Scots would do best to vote "Yes" for independence and save their country.England is going down.Pockets of independent enclaves of Englandistan are around the corner.Who will take up the cudgel for "ISIS,Al Q,Islamist" free zones in the UK? Will UKIP and the BNP react?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 53894.html
George Galloway declares Bradford ‘an Israel-free zone’ and warns away ‘Israeli tourists

he Respect Party leader and MP for Bradford West said ‘we don’t want Israeli goods, services… or tourists’
Adam Withnall

Thursday 07 August 2014
George Galloway claims to have “declared Bradford an Israel-free zone”, saying that he wants the city to reject all Israeli goods, services, academics – and even tourists.

Reportedly speaking at a meeting of the Respect Party in Leeds at the weekend, Mr Galloway urged the people of that city “to do the same”.

The MP for Bradford West’s comments were captured on video and posted to YouTube, and have since been met with an angry backlash on Twitter.

According to the footage, which was posted on the Guido Fawkes blog, Mr Galloway told activists: “We have declared Bradford an Israel-free zone.”

He said: “We don’t want any Israeli goods. We don’t want any Israeli services. We don’t want any Israeli academics, coming to the university or the college.

“We don’t even want any Israeli tourists to come to Bradford, if any of them had thought of doing so.

“We reject this illegal, barbarous, savage state that calls itself Israel. And you have to do the same.”

On Twitter, user Paul Scott said Mr Galloway was “channeling Hitler here”. Another said he had “lost the plot”, and many joked that Israelis were unlikely to be “rushing to change their holiday plans”.

It is by no means the first time Mr Galloway has caused controversy with comments on Israel.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 08 Aug 2014 14:18

^^ Video of the above

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 09 Aug 2014 00:07

How soon from Israel free zone to a Sharia zone only?

The can arrest a man for pretending to be a ghost but they cannot arrest yobs for flying the ISIS flag in London

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 09 Aug 2014 00:18

panduranghari wrote:How soon from Israel free zone to a Sharia zone only?

The can arrest a man for pretending to be a ghost but they cannot arrest yobs for flying the ISIS flag in London

Didn't UK carried out partition of India in a rather arbitrary manner, bunch of promises ignored later and then quick cut-losses-and-run operations that later became an entire Islamic state at the Indus river. Another example is law and order breakdown in Iraq that has now resulted in some parts occupied currently by beheading sultanate of ISIL.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 10 Aug 2014 12:32

What a mighty fall for the UK!! Philip is right when he says the UK govt. has gone the same way the Congress in India went. Or was it the other way round? The policies followed by the early Congress leaders were based on inputs from the British folks?

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 10 Aug 2014 15:01

Sachin wrote:UK govt. has gone the same way the Congress in India went. Or was it the other way round?

Sachin, the UK abstained, whereas India voted in favour of the UN Human Rights Council resolution on 23 Jul 2014 that strongly criticised Israel:

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?N ... -dDbmK9KSM

http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies ... 1-1_en.doc

See:

1.Strongly condemns the failure of Israel, the occupying Power, to end its prolonged occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, in accordance with international law and relevant United Nations resolutions;

2.Condemns in the strongest terms the widespread, systematic and gross violations of international human rights and fundamental freedoms arising from the Israeli military operations carried out in the Occupied Palestinian Territory since 13 June 2014, particularly the latest Israeli military assault on the occupied Gaza Strip, by air, land and sea, which has involved disproportionate and indiscriminate attacks, including aerial bombardment of civilian areas, the targeting of civilians and civilian properties in collective punishment contrary to international law, and other actions, including the targeting of medical and humanitarian personnel, that may amount to international crimes, directly resulting in the killing of more than 650 Palestinians, most of them civilians and more than 170 of whom are children, the injury of more than 4,000 people and the wanton destruction of homes, vital infrastructure and public properties;

The Congress may be following the British lead, but whose lead is the BJP Government (that of the simple majority) following?

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 10 Aug 2014 15:14

panduranghari wrote:How soon from Israel free zone to a Sharia zone only?

The can arrest a man for pretending to be a ghost but they cannot arrest yobs for flying the ISIS flag in London

Plenty of nut cases everywhere. Does anyone know what happened to this s-o-b:

https://shariaunveiled.files.wordpress. ... =627&h=450

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 10 Aug 2014 15:22

FT:

Surge in support for Scotland to stay in UK

Support for Scotland to stay in the UK has surged since Tuesday’s debate between Alex Salmond, Scotland’s Nationalist first minister, and leader of the pro-union Better Together campaign Alistair Darling, according to the first full size opinion poll since the much-watched television encounter.

The poll by Survation for the Scottish Daily Mail suggests the debate, in which Mr Salmond came under heavy pressure over currency issues, was a major setback for the already-trailing Yes campaign just six weeks ahead of Scotland’s referendum.

The survey of 1,010 people, conducted on Wednesday and Thursday, found that support for a No vote had risen to 50 per cent, up four percentage points since its previous poll just a week earlier. Support for Yes was down three points at 37 per cent with 13 per cent of voters still undecided.

Though analysts caution against reading too much into a single poll, the survey is a particular blow to the pro-independence campaigners since Survation has consistently found higher levels of support for Yes than most other pollsters.

Blair McDougall, Better Together campaign director said the result showed that the question of what currency an independent Scotland would use was fundamental to the referendum debate.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 14 Aug 2014 06:33

"Turbangate?"

Exclusive: Tory donor made a peer under false pretences, say Sikhs
Sikh leaders reject Government description of Lord Suri as a leading figure in their community
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 67510.html

Downing Street deliberately created a misleading impression about a major Conservative Party donor who was awarded a peerage by David Cameron last week, The Independent has learnt.

Ranbir Singh Suri, 79, a jewellery magnate who is one of Britain’s richest Asians, was elevated to the House of Lords at the request of the Prime Minister. He has donated more than £300,000 to the Tories since 2004.

In its official citation for the new peerages, the Government described the new Lord Suri as a “businessman” and “former General Secretary of the Board of British Sikhs”. But The Independent has established that the Board has not existed for more than 20 years and only involved four or five people.

At the time of his appointment, Tory sources also described Lord Suri as a leading figure in Britain’s Sikh community. But one prominent Sikh organisation said this amounted to a “bare faced lie”.

The Sikh Federation UK said in a statement: “He is no leading figure in Britain’s Sikh community and he is not associated with any of the leading Sikh organisations. Many in the Sikh community simply see Lord Suri as a businessman who has donated large sums of money [to the Tories].”

It added: “The Federation has been campaigning for over a decade to see more visible Sikhs in Parliament. On the one hand this move is welcome, but we would prefer each of the main political parties to have Sikhs in the House of Lords who are younger, there on merit and based on what they have to offer rather than those who are seen as ‘cronies’.”

According to records held by Companies House, the Board of British Sikhs was incorporated in 1990 and dissolved two years later. One person familiar with the group said it “fizzled out” after a couple of meetings and did not feature in any Sikh activities. “It didn’t get off the ground,” they added. The Board’s last registered offices were 38 Berwick Street in London’s Soho – the previous address of Lord Suri’s jewellery company, Oceanic Jewellers Ltd.

There is no suggestion of any wrongdoing on the part of Lord Suri, who was a magistrate for more than a decade and built up Oceanic into a successful international business after establishing it in 1976. In 2009 his family’s fortune was estimated to be £40m.

But one member of House of Lords, who declined to be named, said it was “disturbing” that the Government had wrongly suggested he was a prominent Sikh. “It seems to show that they’re not in touch with the community at all – which is no surprise,” they said.

The Sikh Council UK, the largest Sikh representative body in the country, said it had never worked with Lord Suri. “We have not come across this individual before,” said Gurmel Singh, the Council’s secretary general. “The first time I heard of him was when his name was mentioned [as a new peer].

“While we welcome the appointment of a Sikh to the House of Lords, the general feeling in the community is that it would have been good to have somebody who could speak on a range of issues. It would also have been good if he was known for his contributions in the Sikh community.”

Kulwant Singh Dhesi, president of the British Sikh Council, said he had never heard of Lord Suri. “I’ve never met this person. I can’t even recognise his face,” he said.

A Number 10 spokesman said: “All appointments to the House of Lords are vetted by the independent House of Lords Appointment Commission. Beyond his extensive career in business, Ranbir Suri has devoted the last 40 years to a range of charitable and voluntary positions, including General Secretary of the Board of British Sikhs in 1991/92.”

The House of Lords Appointments Commission is responsible for vetting nominations for new peerages. Bhai Amrik Singh, chair of the Sikh Federation, said the inaccuracies about Lord Suri raised questions over whether the Commission itself had been misled.

The Labour MP Yasmin Qureshi added: “There are questions to answer here, not least for the Government who, on elevating this Tory donor to the Lords justified it on the basis that he held a post which doesn’t seem to have existed for over a decade.

“Was the Appointments Commission aware of this, and what conversations have they had with the Conservatives over the suitability of this appointment? People will rightly want to get to the bottom of this issue before another Tory donor is sworn in to the Lords.”

One of Britain’s richest Asians, Lord Suri has been an active member of the Conservative Party for more than 30 years. A member of the Renaissance Forum, an exclusive dinner club only open to those who have donated more than £10,000 to the party, he has described Mr Cameron as “delightful and a good leader”.

Lord Suri did not respond to a request for comment.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 15 Aug 2014 13:26

Indian Government wins stolen Nataraja idol case in British court

Kennedy's verdict has set alarm bells ringing .in British institutions that hold millions of pounds worth of Indian art treasures. The Victoria and Albert Museum has a collection of 33,000 Indian paintings, sculptures and textiles and the British Museum owns countless Indian religious objects.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 29032.html

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Aug 2014 15:50

Neela wrote:Indian Government wins stolen Nataraja idol case in British court

Kennedy's verdict has set alarm bells ringing .in British institutions that hold millions of pounds worth of Indian art treasures. The Victoria and Albert Museum has a collection of 33,000 Indian paintings, sculptures and textiles and the British Museum owns countless Indian religious objects.
Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 29032.html

Next target - the Tower of London and its collections of Indian-origin jewels.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 15 Aug 2014 23:42

Excellent! I hope India can recover more of her treasures.

At the same time, there needs to be a concerted effort within the country to properly house the treasures. Temple treasures back to temples with proper oversight, and well funded and managed museums for others. Not an easy task but one that will need to be undertaken.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 16 Aug 2014 01:21

Hamilton and Ghorpade's arguments evoked much legal curiosity. They maintained that "once a deity, always a deity. An idol remains a juristic person however long buried or damaged, since the deity and its juristic entity survive the total destruction of its earthly form." They argued that the temple's rights were not affected by the mere fact of the idol's clandestine removal and export.

If the arguments sounded offbeat, Justice Kennedy's judgement was fascinating. He said he was entirely "persuaded" that the London Nataraja was the Pathur Nataraja. The judge concluded: "A juristic entity. which has a title to the Nataraja, is superior to that of the defendant."

This is a very good British common law precedent to be used repeatedly in other cases. It establishes the divine sanctity of the religious artifact and declines the argument that it becomes a mere curio through a sequence of actions amounting to theft and smuggling. As much as it sounds absurdly straightforward to us, it's a reflection of the bankruptness of their claim that this required a concerted legal argument to establish. This case law precedent should be vigorously applied to repatriate the thousands of other stolen artifacts.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 16 Aug 2014 14:59

Incidentally, India has been following the same dictum and nothing new in the argument , novel it may seem from the point of British Common law. RJB was decided on this premise only that a deity was a juristic person and had title of the place where he was supposed to have been born and worshiped. All Presiding Deity in Temples are owner of their abode as juristic person and a legal entity. I hope SC judges take early decision on the appeal pending before them.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 16 Aug 2014 21:03

quid?

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 17 Aug 2014 02:12

chaanakya wrote:Incidentally, India has been following the same dictum and nothing new in the argument , novel it may seem from the point of British Common law. RJB was decided on this premise only that a deity was a juristic person and had title of the place where he was supposed to have been born and worshiped. All Presiding Deity in Temples are owner of their abode as juristic person and a legal entity. I hope SC judges take early decision on the appeal pending before them.

Our legal system may indeed be better evolved than theirs, but in this matter it's important that we managed to establish case law that matches our own treatment of stolen idols. Time to use this precedent to vigorously pursue more such cases pending in their backward courts.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Aug 2014 03:51

The UK's sordid role in the global concentration camp network set up by the US to persecute terror suspects in secret.DG is the most notorious place on earth along with Camp Gitmo for the latter-day concentration camps set up by the US,with active involvement from its allies.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... dition-cia
UK ambassador 'lobbied senators to hide Diego Garcia role in rendition'
Rights groups claim that top-level talks were part of bid to redact link to Diego Garcia from report

Logs released under the Freedom of Information Act have reinforced claims that the UK lobbied to keep its role in the CIA's torture and interrogation programme out of what is expected to be a damning Senate report.

They show that the UK ambassador to the US met members of the Senate select committee on intelligence 11 times between 2012 and 2014 – as they were investigating the CIA's rendition programme. This included two meetings with the committee's chair, Diane Feinstein, which took place as crucial decisions were being made regarding how much of its report into the programme should be made public.

The revelation has prompted fresh concern that the government lobbied for key parts of the report referring to Diego Garcia, a British territory in the Indian Ocean leased to the US as a military base, to be redacted. Human rights groups believe that the territory played a key role in facilitating the CIA's extraordinary rendition programme – the movement of high-value terrorist suspects to "black sites" around the world without legal oversight.

The US authorities have confirmed only that the territory was used for two refuelling stops. But there are suspicions Diego Garcia has played a more extensive role than the US has so far admitted, raising questions about when and what the UK knew about its use.

The release of the report on the torture and rendition programme has been delayed after the Democrats criticised what they claimed were excessive redactions made by the CIA. Sources suggest that the spy agency wanted as much as 15% of the report blacked out.

Former foreign secretary William Hague confirmed in a recent letter to the human rights group Reprieve that the UK government had discussed the report with the US, prompting concerns it had pushed for sections relating to Diego Garcia and possible other British involvement to be blacked out.

"We have made representations to seek assurances that ordinary procedures for clearance of UK material will be followed in the event that UK material provide[d] to the Senate committee were to be disclosed," Hague explained.

Now the newly released logs reveal that UK ambassador Peter Westmacott met Feinstein on 29 April and 2 May this year, Senator Martin Heinrich on 16 July, and Senator Marco Rubio on 26 March 2014. The timing of the meetings appears significant. The committee voted to declassify its report's summary and conclusions on 3 April this year, succeeding by 11 votes to three. Rubio voted against. Mid-April also saw numerous stories appear in the world's press relating to Diego Garcia and the CIA's rendition programme.

The ambassador met Rubio last year on 1 February and 10 April, Senator Saxby Chambliss on 20 November 2012, Senator Mark Warner on 11 January 2013, Senator Susan Collins on 16 July and 25 July 2012, and Senator Jay Rockefeller, the then chair, on 28 June 2012.

There were also at least 11 meetings between Britain's then ambassador, Nigel Sheinwald, and members of the committee between 2009 and 2011, commencing shortly after the committee voted by 14-1 to investigate the rendition programme.

"This is yet more evidence of the desperate attempts being made by the UK to censor the Senate's report on CIA torture," said Reprieve's executive director, Clare Algar. "We already know that our government was up to its neck in the CIA's programme of rendition and torture – making it highly likely that the Senate's report will contain information which is deeply embarrassing for them. But simple embarrassment is not a justification for suppressing the truth. Ministers must change course and instead support the publication of this crucial report in the most open and transparent form."

Confirmation that a British territory was involved in extraordinary rendition could leave the government vulnerable to legal action. Last month the European court of human rights ruled that the Polish government had actively assisted the CIA's European "black site" programme.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 19 Aug 2014 21:36

BBC on the Dhammazedi Bell, in all its impartiality:

The Portuguese adventurer and mercenary Filipe de Brito seized the bell with the aim of melting it down to make cannons.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28832296

Adventurer? Brigand is a perfectly acceptable English word.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Aug 2014 12:34

So Poodleistan can bite and behead!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/#source=refresh
Jihadi with British accent beheads kidnapped journalist
US freelance reporter James Foley in Aleppo in 2012

Hunt begins for 'British' killer after Islamic State video shows masked militant purportedly beheading American reporter James Foley in revenge for US air strikes over Iraq

'British' Islamic State jihadi beheads US journalist James Foley
Science of savagery: how humans become hardwired for violence

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Aug 2014 12:44

there is a section of dhimmi NRIs (with foreign passports or those in the queue) who argue that looted and purloined indian art treasures are better kept in NYC and london because 'they are well looked after there'

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 20 Aug 2014 20:36

I am sure you will find enough Indians in India saying that. There is no question that the treasures should be brought back to India; at the same time India will have to invest in better upkeep. Frankly the current museums dont have enough funding. Not that all the treasures would go to museums, many probably should go back to the temples they were stolen from.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 21 Aug 2014 21:34

Only 600 malsi in 200,000 ukistan TFTA army? -- really?

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 22 Aug 2014 08:39

Video of beheading of James Foley:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc1_1408481278
Gautam

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 22 Aug 2014 09:32

Re Malsi component in Britarmy: Things are definitely going downhill. They had more 100 years ago!!!

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 22 Aug 2014 09:36

Never thought I would see someone pull that off (beheading) with such a small knife. The worst I have seen serrated knives used by the cartels, but I have never seen a knife that small used for that purpose. I havent seen any recently, so I maybe out of "fashion" in this macabre business.

Anyway. Good luck to UQstan. This guy is going to come back there through Pakhanastan or through Eastern Europe making it extremely difficult to detect, if he is a smart dude.

EDIT: I now have seen videos of 3 people getting snuffed out today. Two in the US, and one in eyeRaq. There is no hope for humanity... no hope.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 22 Aug 2014 09:43

Just cant imagine the plight of the parents of this journalist or any of the victim of these beasts!

As a parent I pour in years and years of love and effort to ensure they grow up to become great citizens of society, nation and the world. To take off their lives in one stroke of the knife is disgusting. Karma will ensure very bad things for the beasts!

Think of it from the perspective of the parents of the beasts. Some of them may be reasonable and worried about their children going the wrong way. to see their effort and love being wasted thus having progenited a frankenstein.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 22 Aug 2014 09:47

The parents of these beast are likely to be beasts themselves. If not, they are "moderate muslims" who did nothing much to change their offspring when the offspring was turning more "pure" than they were.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 22 Aug 2014 09:53

LokeshC wrote:Never thought I would see someone pull that off (beheading) with such a small knife. The worst I have seen serrated knives used by the cartels, but I have never seen a knife that small used for that purpose. .......There is no hope for humanity... no hope.

When I see this, I remember Saurabh Kalia, who was ignored by the West. What goes around comes around.
Gautam

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 22 Aug 2014 10:11

Not to take this disgusting topic further. But Brophet BBUH always used to behead people due to fear of their ghost taking revenge. The lore back then was if the head is separated from the body, the dead wont come back as a ghost.

Beheading was the Brophets favorite way to kill people (including babies). According to Quran there are only two ways to reach Jannat, either follow BBUH's behavior and mannerisms to a tee OR do Jeeeeehaaard.

The peaceful executioner in the video is doing both, that way his 72 up there are secure.

You can see that peacefuls have done the same to Russian soldiers in Afghanistan and Chechenya, where they would behead a couple of ensign level kids from the Russian Army (18 year old cadets) and send it to the Russians as a scare mongering tactic. Did not do much to the Russians, but they kept beheading anyway.

This was primarily an Arap/middle east/central asian way of killing people. Bakistanis doing it is very recent AFAIK. Saurabh Kalia suffered unspeakable cruelty before being beheaded. The man in the video seemed to be healthy and well fed, and from what I can see from the video: he was resigned to his fate.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 22 Aug 2014 18:52

g.sarkar......could you delete the video of beheading please.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 23 Aug 2014 14:54

rsingh wrote:g.sarkar......could you delete the video of beheading please.

I tried, but could not. Perhaps an administrator could.
Gautam

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 23 Aug 2014 16:16

The coming apocalypse: Last week, historian DOMINIC SANDBROOK wrote a damning critique of the West's failure to halt Islamic fanatics. Now, after a savage murder that confirmed his worst fears, he looks into the future

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... uture.html

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 23 Aug 2014 22:55

On a related note viewing of the video may result in prosecution as per the Met , so BRFites in UK needed to be careful.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Aug 2014 23:47

Am X-posting this piece as it has relevance to the true threat that forced the Bits out of India,the revolt by Indians in British uniforms and Netaji's INA.The similarities and differences between the Russian revolutionaries and Gandhi however show that they were two sides of the same coin.Overthrowing the oppressors of their peoples.Leon Trotsky's prophetic words about the vassal states being resources for cannon fodder for the imperialists is very relevant today as the US attempts to inveigle us into an anti-China military alliance,where as in WW1 and WW2,millions of Indian soldiers fought for "king and country",the white man's wars.We cannot allow history to repeat itself.

Today a new era in India's post-Independence history has begun.The new Modi govt. has already entered battle with highly discriminatory WTO food policies,which if agreed upon,will keep hundreds of millions of Indians in perpetual starvation,no different from what it was during the British Raj. Lenin and Trotsky's word still echo down the corridors of history...which from time to time repeats itself. The NDA regime will face many future battles with those revisionist nations who wish to turn back the clock and economically enslave us yet again.The expose that Monsanto tried to rope in 5 BJP MPs for a food conference in the US ,without them realising who was sponsoring everything,indicates the enormity of the task that lies ahead in protecting India's interests.

http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2014/08/15/how ... 37555.html

How Russia fired up India’s freedom movement

August 15, 2014 Rakesh Krishnan Simha
Both the peacenik Mohandas Gandhi as well as firebrand revolutionaries found inspiration in the methods practised by Russians to win freedom from tyranny.

St Petersburg’s illustrious Sanskrit connections
Russian scholars and the Indus Valley script

How Russia fired up India’s freedom movement
“There is no end to the acts of violence and plunder which goes under the name of the British system of government in India,” Lenin pointed out in his work 'Inflammable Material in World Politics'. Source: Denis Evstafev / RIA Novosti

It was the first Russian Revolution, in 1905, that fired up the imagination of Indian revolutionaries. Mohandas Gandhi regarded it as “the greatest event of the present century” and “a great lesson to us”. India was also switching to this “Russian remedy against tyranny,” Gandhi said.

The revolution made a big impact also on the minds of Indian revolutionaries who, unlike the ‘Moderates’ and the ‘Extremists’ of the Congress party, intended to get absolute independence by adopting revolutionary methods as practised by Russians.

The Bengalee newspaper declared in a May 25, 1906 editorial: “The revolution that has been affected in Russia after years of bloodshed...may serve as a lesson to other governments and other peoples.”

The Yugantar issued a threat: “In every country there are plenty of secret places where arms can be manufactured.” It advocated the plundering of post offices, banks and government treasuries for financing revolutionary activities. The newspaper also observed that “not much physical strength was required to shoot Europeans”.
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I-Day: Russia’s role in the Indian freedom movement

The Indian Sociologist said in its December 1907 issue: “Any agitation in India must be carried out secretly and the only methods which can bring the English to their senses are the Russian methods vigorously and incessantly applied until the English relax their tyranny and are driven out of the country.”

These incendiary articles had an immediate impact, and within a year bombs were exploding and bullets flying across India. On April 30, 1908, Prafulla Chaki and Khudiram Bose threw a bomb on a carriage in Muzzafarpur in order to kill Douglas Kingsford, the chief presidency magistrate, but by mistake killed two women travelling in it.

Praising the bomb throwers, the newspaper Kal wrote: “The people are prepared to do anything for the sake of Swaraj (self rule) and they no longer sing the glories of British rule. They have no dread of British power. It is simply a question of sheer brute force. Bomb-throwing in India is different from bomb-throwing Russia. Many of the Russians side with their government against these bomb-throwers, but it is doubtful whether much sympathy will be found in India. If even in such circumstances Russia got the Duma, then India is bound to get Swarajya.”

Chaki committed suicide when caught and Bose, just 18 years old, was hanged. Bal Gangadhar Tilak – known as Gandhi’s political guru – defended the revolutionaries and demanded immediate self rule. He was arrested and a British kangaroo court sentenced him to six years in a Burma jail.

Days after Tilak’s trial, Russian leader Vladimir Lenin published an article titled 'Inflammable Material in World Politics'. He wrote that the British, angered by the mounting revolutionary struggle in India, are “demonstrating what brutes” the European politician can turn into when the masses rise against the colonial system.

“There is no end to the acts of violence and plunder which goes under the name of the British system of government in India,” Lenin pointed out. “Nowhere in the world – with the exception, of course of Russia – will you find such abject mass poverty, such chronic starvation among the people. The most liberal and radical personalities of free Britain…become regular Genghis Khans when appointed to govern India, and are capable of sanctioning every means of “pacifying” the population in their charge, even to the extent of flogging political protestors!”

Blasting the “infamous sentence pronounced by the British jackals on the Indian democrat Tilak”, Lenin predicted that with the Indians having got a taste of political mass struggle, the “British regime in India is doomed”.

“By their colonial plunder of Asian countries, the Europeans have succeeded in so steeling one of them, Japan, that she has gained great military victories, which have ensured her independent national development. There can be no doubt that the age-old plunder of India by the British, and the contemporary struggle of all these ‘advanced’ Europeans against Persian and Indian democracy, will steel millions, tens of millions of proletarians in Asia to wage…a struggle against their oppressors which will be just as victorious as that of the Japanese.”

Lenin and Gandhi

Lenin and Gandhi were at opposite ends of the revolutionary spectrum. They differed not only in their national and individual goals but also in the means they advocated to achieve such goals.

Irving Louis Horowitz writes in The Idea of War and Peace: The Experience of Western Civilization that despite their differences, the very fact they were both leaders of masses of mankind in great nations place them in a kinship.

India’s first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, has indicated the character of this relationship of Lenin to Gandhi: “Almost at the same time as the October Revolution led by the great Lenin, we in India began a new phase in our struggle for freedom. Our people for many years were engaged in this struggle with courage and patience. And although under the leadership of Gandhi we followed another path, we were influenced by the example of Lenin.”

When Gandhi said that “nations have progressed both by evolution and revolution”, and that "history is more a record of wonderful revolution than of so-called ordered progress” he demonstrated a community of mind with Lenin that went beyond the simple coincidence of political careers,” writes Horowitz.

Then there is also the Gandhian definition of socialism that Lenin frequently emphasised – the view that socialism is more than a transformation in economic relations, but a transformation in human psychology as well.

Horowitz notes that both Gandhi and Lenin were distinguished by a fierce devotion to principle, while at the same time revealing large reserves of flexibility in the political application of these principles. “Thus, the pacifist Gandhi could even agree to the utility of national armies, small in size to be sure, in times of national crisis; while Lenin could see the utility of middle-class parliamentarianism in the development of class forces. Even in personal characteristics they had much in common. Each of them eschewed personal comforts, practicing instead an asceticism geared to the achievement of their ends.”

Trotting a different path

Leon Trotsky, Russian revolutionary and the founder of the Red Army, however, felt Gandhi was a fake freedom fighter.

In An Open Letter to the Workers of India, written in 1939, just before World War II broke out, he wrote: “The Indian bourgeoisie is incapable of leading a revolutionary struggle. They are closely bound up with, and dependent upon, British imperialism….The leader and prophet of this bourgeoisie is Gandhi. A fake leader and a false prophet! Gandhi and his compeers have developed a theory that India's position will constantly improve, that her liberties will continually be enlarged, and that India will gradually become a dominion on the road of peaceful reforms. Later on, India may achieve even full independence. This entire perspective is false to the core.”

Comrade Lenin: Forgotten in Russia, admired in Kerala

According to Trotsky, never before in history have slave owners voluntarily freed their slaves. If the Indian leaders were hopeful that for their cooperation during the war the British would free India, they were grossly mistaken.

With uncanny foresight, Trotsky predicted: “First of all, exploitation of the colonies will become greatly intensified. The metropolitan centres will not only pump from the colonies foodstuffs and raw materials, but they will also mobilise vast numbers of colonial slaves who are to die on the battlefields for their masters.”

Trotsky believed India’s exploitation would be redoubled and tripled in order to rebuild war-torn Britain. “Gandhi is already preparing the ground for such a policy,” he wrote. “Double chains of slavery will be the inevitable consequence of the war if the masses of India follow the politics of Gandhi….”

All of Trotsky’s predictions would have come true if the rebel Indian National Army hadn’t driven a stake of fear through British hearts. The 1946 revolt of 20,000 Indian Navy ratings and the very real possibility of the Indian Army and Indian Air Force joining the revolt finally hastened the end of the most genocidal empire on the face of the earth.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Aug 2014 02:11

Indian-origin student brightest in Britain
( South Asia Kiddar Gya)

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... 55684.aspx

An Indian-origin student, who scored a perfect five in his main subjects with 100% marks across the board, is being hailed as the brightest student in Britain.Asanish Kalyanasundaram achieved the highest possible grades in maths, physics, chemistry, biology and critical thinking as part of the five main subjects required at A Levels in Britain.The 18-year-old, who simply says he is "delighted" with his score, is now off to Cambridge University in October to study medicine. He is considering becoming a surgeon but has not decided the branch of medicine he would like to specialise in.Asanish lives with his mother Sujatha in Burnley, Lancashire, and has also been a keen badminton player as a student of St Joseph's Park Hill School in the area and Bacup and Rawtenstall Grammar School, according to 'Burnley Express'."Constantly in demand of a fresh challenge beyond his A-Level studies, Asanish has a unique intelligence and has made the most of the opportunities available to him both within and outside of school," a school spokesperson was quoted as saying by the local newspaper.Asanish received an A* grade in an Extended Project Qualification, following a 100-hour research topic and presentation after attending a summer school run by the Nuffield Foundation, where he was able to work at the cutting edge of medical research.The bright student recently won the Duke of Edinburgh's Gold Award and in November is off to St James's Palace in London to receive the award from Queen Elizabeth II's husband Prince Philip.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 24 Aug 2014 09:32

Neela wrote:Indian Government wins stolen Nataraja idol case in British court

Kennedy's verdict has set alarm bells ringing .in British institutions that hold millions of pounds worth of Indian art treasures. The Victoria and Albert Museum has a collection of 33,000 Indian paintings, sculptures and textiles and the British Museum owns countless Indian religious objects.
Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 29032.html

Folks, this is 25 year old news. Why the excitement about this now? Brits have a law that prevents the return of their booty (It is part of the British Museum Act) except in case of human remains, and Nazi era. This case was unique in that it was in the hands of a private collector who was outside the UK. Otherwise, our cultural and religious treasures are all but impossible to repatriate.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 25 Aug 2014 00:23

http://www.inquisitr.com/1429387/abdel- ... mes-foley/
Posted: August 24, 2014
Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary: London Rapper Identified As ISIS Militant Who Beheaded James Foley
Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary has reportedly been identified the ISIS militant who beheaded American journalist James Foley in a video released this week.
Reports over the last several days had indicated that British intelligence forces were focusing in on the 23-year-old former London resident, who had achieved some fame in the UK for his rap career. Sources say that Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary left his family’s upscale home in London last year to join ISIS.
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In the James Foley beheading video, a masked executioner with a British accent read a statement warning the United States not to enter the conflict. The man later severed Foley’s neck with a knife and cut off is head.
Experts believe that British forces had likely identified Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary not long after the video was released.
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