Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

James B · Post by **James B** » 20 Aug 2014 19:28

Neela wrote: Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Click on the NYT link, and follow the link at the bottom of the article which takes you to the editorial board. There is a familiar name there.

Are you alluding to her?

Mira Kamdar, International Affairs

Ms. Kamdar has written for many publications, including The Washington Post, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, The Caravan (New Delhi), Le Monde Diplomatique, Courrier International and The New York Times's India Ink blog. She has a bachelor's degree from Reed College in Portland, Ore., and a Ph.D. in French literature from the University of California, Berkeley.

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 Aug 2014 19:51

Help Needed.

Looking for the Hamoodur Rahman Commission MAIN Report (Not the "Supplementary" Report).

The Main report seems to have vanished from the net unlike the Supplementary Report.

Anyone got it and can share

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Aug 2014 20:04

Guys, the condescending crap from NYT, the silent sense of "victory" TSP is sensing (see Paki amby's remarks) etc, are all expected. As I mentioned the other day in response to someone posting nutty nation, US and TSP, and indeed all of TSP's 3.5 are against India. Those slimeballs have the gall to suggest that India humiliatingly talk piss with TSP while they feed TSP recalcitrance, military might, and help TSP punch above its weight; is simply breathtaking in its hypocrisy and condescension. Nothing new.

What India needs to watch out are traitors like MLB and other assorted scum like that Cong chutia Manish Tiwari or whatever, MSI, ADhothi etc. If India does not speak in one voice, and however much these traitors sugar coat TSP's continued dalliance with the separatist scum and ceasefire violations as "routine", Modi will surely be back-footed. Imagine an idiot like Arnab hosting a show under the guise of "free press" with Paki terrorists and India's Modi haters on one side, and BJP govt on the other? I mean can Indians of all stripes not agree on at least the common Lakshamn Rekhas: 1. The separatist scum cannot be allowed to dictate terms, and 2. TSPs's standard tactic of LOC firing to facilitate pigLeT entry into the valley.

MKB mst be asked flat out what his bottom line on Kashmir is.

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 Aug 2014 20:20

Article by Rajeev Srinivasan in First Post titled “Tit-for-tat with Pakistan: Game theory suggests what Modi did was right”:

There was never any good reason for India to engage with Pakistan in the first place, because it is well-known that that country is only defined as “not-India”, and its army needs the raison d’etre of India-hatred to justify its existence.

There is a fundamental question about why India comes to the negotiating table with Pakistan. It is not clear what India’s objective has been in all these years of palavering: is it to implement the Parliamentary resolution that all of Jammu & Kashmir is inalienably Indian and thus to claim all of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK)? Is it to make the Line of Control the official border? Is it to stop Pakistani terrorism?

In fact I think it is none of the above: the talks were the end in themselves, not a means to achieve any end. India was talking because it was coerced by ‘world opinion’ (for which, read ‘American bullying’).

Foreign policy, especially between enemies such as India and Pakistan, can be modeled as a series of Prisoner’s Dilemma games. ………

What is the best tactic in a Prisoner’s Dilemma? Academic simulations have run extended games with millions of repeated interactions. They tried many different strategies. But it turns out, counter-intuitively, that the very best strategy is also the simplest: ‘tit-for-tat’. That is, start by cooperating. Every time the foe cooperates, you cooperate in the next round. If the foe betrays, you betray in the next round. This turns out to be the winning tactic.

This is precisely what the Narendra Modi government has done, too. It started with cooperation, but in the face of perfidy (ie, encouragement of separatist fundamentalists in J&K), it took the right decision to follow the ‘tit-for-tat’, winning tactic against Pakistan.

Link:

Tit-for-tat with Pakistan: Game theory suggests what Modi did was right

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 Aug 2014 20:41

Mani Shanker Aiyar’s personal dislike for Prime Minister Narender Modi results in nonsensical criticism of the correct decision of stopping talks with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Or maybe I erred and the nonsensical criticism was induced by fear that the “Track 2” diplomatic gravy train would stop for Mr. Aiyar.

Mani Shankar Aiyar concludes an Op-Ed titled “Being A Bully” in the Indian Express by saying , “We stand warned that whimsicality and bullying are going to characterise our relations with Pakistan over the next five years; exactly the kind of whimsicality and bullying that led to the Austro-Hungarian Empire attacking Serbia a hundred years ago, leading to the devastation of the two world wars.”.

From here:

Being A Bully

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 Aug 2014 20:49

Let’s face some hard truths about Pakistan : That’s the first step towards dealing with a nation which has failed to outgrow a bitter obsession with India

We must therefore tackle the problem we have with a clarity of vision that has no space either for wishful thinking or a graciousness that is usually misconstrued as timidity.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 20 Aug 2014 21:26

http://s3.amazonaws.com/magazine.good.i ... 64-19pq8g3

baagistaan in good company.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 20 Aug 2014 21:59

Funny that all the insects are crawling out of the woods to denounce Modi as if It is Modi's job to prop up NS govt or as if by chai-bicuit with Paki FS, Pak Army will not conduct coups.
How long are we going to play this charade of strengthening the hands of Paki PM and the next thing we know is that the same hand is poking knife in our ribs.
These gravy train passengers don't realize that in Modi's world view, Pakistan is only as as important as avoiding next terrorist attack from that part else we really don't need to even acknowledge Paki presence.
Saner elements in Congress I am sure are rubbing their hands in sigh as they could not snub Pakistan for its shenanigans including 26/11 and we had this strange specter of MMS bending over backwards to accommodate Pakistan and USA. Pakistan was the only project where MMS didn't require Yankee instructions and was more than keen to somehow placate Pakistan.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 20 Aug 2014 22:09

NYT editorial team batting for pakis

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/opini ... .html?_r=0

Prime Minister Modi Fumbles on Pakistan

By THE EDITORIAL BOARDAUG. 19, 2014
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Pakistan has had regular contact with Kashmiri separatist leaders over the years, and previous Indian prime ministers, including the last prime minister from Mr. Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party, Atal Bihari Vajayee, lived with the practice. [why for he is changing anything, its not like he has any mandate for this ]

especially when it could have served as an opportunity to discuss grievances and press for a solution.

like what?

What’s needed is a meeting between the leaders to establish a continuing dialogue. Next month’s United Nations General Assembly meeting in New York offers a good venue.

so that's what is brewing..

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 20 Aug 2014 22:15

MSA words of nandi droppings:

Then there is the question of sovereignty. Pakistan may be weaker than India in every respect but there is at least one in which Pakistan is our equal and will remain so, and that is in the dimension of sovereignty. If India as a sovereign country refuses to buckle under Pakistani pressure, it is only natural that Pakistanis will not countenance infringement by India of their sovereignty. That is why the imposition of new conditionalities, flying in the face of precedents, will be seen as infringing on Pakistan’s sovereignty.

Okay, let us talk about the dimension of sovereignty (or is it sauvirginity?)...

1. A bunch of US special forces flew over hundreds of miles of Pakistani territory in two helicopters and landed them in the backyard of a mansion right next to the military academy, shot a bunch of people, managed to take away the body of a key Pakistani guest, raided the mansion for all kinds of incriminating stuff and flew away. While this was happening, there were twitter feeds of blow by blow description of the action. However, not a single police, army personnel showed up at the scene. Same for the airforce.
2. Raymond Rambo Davis (and probably a whole lot more who are undercover) was taking in the tourist sights of Lahore and Slumbad. Even managed to show his marksmanship and sharpshooter skills while enforcing US law in Pakistan.
3. Predators/Drones are not called the National Bird for nothing. Flying with US insignia, they were taking off from Pakistani soil (now supposedly from Afghanistan) and are patrolling the skies of the badlands of Pakistan. I guess that would still be considered Pakistani airspace, or has that been ceeded?
4. Arab royalty and demi royalty stake their claims to large swaths of land, where they are free to practice their barbaric customs of hunting endangered animals, which are out of the purview of Pakistani laws.
5. Political leaders and Army chieftains do routinely seek guidance from four fathers on whether to 'coo or not to coo' (pun intended).

Foggy headed geezers like MSA are delusional to talk about the sovereignty of a rentier state.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 20 Aug 2014 22:32

http://www.dawn.com/news/1126586/of-wet ... evolutions

“For example before he led the crowds to the Red Zone, Imran in his speech used language reserved for private company not a public gathering," Khattak says.

"Unki shalwaray geeli ho gai hain he [Imran] said referring to parliamentarians opposing him. Imran is entitled to his views and language, but while he may have been at fault for not caring about cultural norms of decency dictated by the presence of women and children

Dimran Kaun, please keep in mind the cultural norms dictated by Pakistan. BRF land has the term 'browning of the shalwars' that is most applicable to the inhabitants of the Land of Pure.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Aug 2014 22:34

Extra-constitutional step: SC summons Imran, Qadri on Thursday

ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court of Pakistan (SC) on Wednesday issued notices to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan and Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) chief Dr Tahirul Qadri while hearing the case pertaining to likely extra-constitutional step, Geo News reported.

A four-judge larger bench headed by the Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Nasir-ul-Mulk and comprising Justice Jawwad S. Khawaja, Justice Anwar Zaheer Jamali, Justice Saqib Nisar and Justice Asif Saeed Khan Khosa was hearing the petition filed by the Lahore High Court's Multan Bar Association.

During the hearing, the court summoned PTI chief Imran Khan and PAT leader Dr Tahirul Qadri for tomorrow’s hearing. The court also issued notices to law secretary and secretary of interior ministry.

Justice Jawwad S Khawaja, while hearing the case, remarked that the constitution provides a procedure to remove the prime minister, and anyone who would try to employ any unconstitutional step would create chaos and anarchy.

The attorney general argued that any effort to remove the government through power is illegal and unconstitutional. Therefore, the sit-in by the PTI and PAT to get rid of the present regime is the violation of Article 18, 19 and 20.

Justice Saqib Nisar remarked that the court would not interfere in the political matters but would only look into the fundamental rights. He, then, questioned if anyone has the right to lead a crowd inside the Supreme Court. “There’s a limit to everything,” Justice Saqib remarked.

Cheers

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 20 Aug 2014 22:41

What is it with MSA and WWI, WWII (aka European Colonial Wars -- ECW ) quotes?

His last puke was also quoting how duke of Ferdinand was halaaled by some non state actor from somewhere.

He forgets that we have a lot of history of war ourselves. In our own history, the UQturds used the precise reasoning of Bakistan to colonize and genocide India.
x-post from WU thread (http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 6#p1701776):

A_Gupta wrote: http://www.binghamton.edu/fbc/archive/gaht5.htm

The next sentences are:
Writing in 1688 during the war against the Mughal emperor Aurangzeb, Sir Josiah Child, director of the East India Company and instigator of the war, captured the essence of this relationship. "The subjects of the Mogul," he noted, "cannot bear a war with the English for twelve months together, without starving and dying by the thousands for want of work to purchase rice; not singly for want of our trade, but because by our war, we obstruct their trade with all the Eastern nations which is ten times as much as ours and all the European nations put together" (quoted in Watson 197x, 348-5).

Bakistan is an agent of disruption installed by UQstan and US and supported by their fourfathers. Our leaders have behaved with Bakistan exactly like our ancestors did towards UQstan. I.K Gujral is a prime example. MSA is another. While these clowns were literate in Euro-centric history, they forget their own history. In doing so, they cause history to repeat itself.

The only way to end this disruption is take the war into the hearts of Bakis. Instill fear, consistently and ruthlessly. That is exactly what our army did during genocide in 1971 resulting in 90,000 POWs. However, in Diplomacy we failed. Probably due to clowns like MSA. The 90,000 POWs should have been tried and summarily executed for genocide, yet with our big hearts we let them go. Had we executed all of them, Bakis would have to think a 100 times before they ever think of breaking India.

The peacenick retards have no idea on how to deal with irrational barbarians. To think that this clown was in IFS makes me shudder.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Aug 2014 23:04

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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Aug 2014 23:36

Peregrine, Why the delete? I always try to read your posts.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Aug 2014 23:45

ramana wrote:Peregrine, Why the delete? I always try to read your posts.

ramana Ji :

It was the a "wrong" post - so deleted.

Meantime latest victim of Pakistan's present unstable status (putting it mildly)

Sri Lankan President postpones visit

ISLAMABAD: With the federal capital deep in the throes of the ongoing political turmoil and uncertainty, Sri Lankan President has postponed his scheduled visit to Islamabad.

Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa along with a high level Sri Lankan delegation was scheduled to visit Pakistan from August 22. However the visit has now been put on hold, foreign office confirmed.

“It has not been cancelled. It is postponed,” FO spokesperson Tasneem Aslam told The Express Tribune. She said the visit was not formally announced however the government of Pakistan has advised the Sri Lankans to postpone it.

Cheers

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Aug 2014 23:51

Neela wrote:NYT : Prime Minister Modi Fumbles on Pakistan
TClick on the NYT link, and follow the link at the bottom of the article which takes you to the editorial board. There is a familiar name there.

Always call the IDIOT-REAl board. No good thing they will ever say about India. They are More Paki Than Paki ( MP-TP).

Rajagopal · Post by **Rajagopal** » 20 Aug 2014 23:59

What has the world come to? Even Pakistanis are making fun of madame Jalebi

She has always been a "heavyweight" ....err...in politics.

http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/23746 ... cal-issue/

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Aug 2014 00:03

Maybe MSA and his cohort will lecture Sri Lanka now!!!

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 21 Aug 2014 01:19

^^^
Pakistan is a vibrant democracy with freedoms of speech and protest and a vibrant free media. Oh, I forgot, a vibrant and free Army too.

SL President should not let a protest here, a sit down there deter/defer a visit to the Land of the People who follow the religion of peace!

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 21 Aug 2014 01:24

Rajagopal wrote:What has the world come to? Even Pakistanis are making fun of madame Jalebi
She has always been a "heavyweight" ....err...in politics.
http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/23746 ... cal-issue/

On one occasion, Hassan Nasir sarcastically complained about Mazari being called a ‘bulbul’ (a fairly mild, but gender-specific form of insult) by a friend of his, and suggested calling her a ‘bull bull’ instead.

Nach mere bull-bull, paisa mileyga!
(I cannot get myself to paste image url and torture your eyeballs. Please refer to image of Mdm. Jalebi dancing in previous page).

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 21 Aug 2014 01:33

Well, according the theory of Darwinism (which is Haraam), BulBuls descended from the Dinosaurs.

The particular bulbul in question may have been stuck at that stage of evolution.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Aug 2014 01:41

Guys, I like Rajeev SrinivanJi's game theory analogy. In fact the very basis of infinite repetitious game theory is to sustain cooperation. And if one player deviates, called the grim trigger, the other player also deviates and in fact is the best response. I have to go back and check my game theory lecture notes, but a grim trigger strategy essentially threatens other players with a “worse” punishment action if they deviate from an implicitly agreed action profile. And from India's PoV, deviating from cooperation is a Nash equilibrium, i.e., its best response once TSP deviated (post MOdi invitation to badmaash). This is exactly what Modi did. Expecting useless idiots like DDM and Cong to understand this is a waste of time. NYT slime-balls know this exactly, and in fact practice it to perfection when their interests are involved, but won't accord the same luxury to us SDREs.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Aug 2014 02:35

Its called Axelrod's "Evolution of Cooperation" using random tit-for tat response to Prisoner's Dilemma. It has to be random or else it will not work. Abdul should not know what to expect and hence will cooperate.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 21 Aug 2014 02:51

RCase wrote:MSA words of nandi droppings:
......
Okay, let us talk about the dimension of sovereignty (or is it sauvirginity?)...
A bunch of US special forces flew over hundreds of miles of Pakistani territory in two helicopters and landed them in the backyard of a mansion right next to the military academy, shot a bunch of people, managed to take away the body of a key Pakistani guest, raided the mansion for all kinds of incriminating stuff and flew away. While this was happening, there were twitter feeds of blow by blow description of the action. However, not a single police, army personnel showed up at the scene. Same for the airforce. .

......
Arre Baba, for Gora aadmi, it is always do what we say, not do what we do. That the the burden of White people as articulated by Kipling.
Gautam

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 21 Aug 2014 02:52

The ISIS "British" momeen who beheaded James Foley is Paki.
Who'da thunk?

The killer, described last night by David Cameron as likely to be a British citizen, has been linked to a group of four British-Pakistani jailers for the Islamic State (Isis). The group is known to have been holding at least a dozen western hostages.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvgzWj3IYAAjm1f.jpg:large
P.S. The pic is of a Brit newspaper front page, it is not a beheading or anything grotesque.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 21 Aug 2014 04:18

^^^
All roads (of terrorism) lead to Pakistan.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 21 Aug 2014 04:46

TuQ TuQ's 10 point demand

I have some questions ....

1. Martial races don't resign. They are either exiled or halaled.

2. Are only two thirds of the National Assembly tax evaders and thieves. Isn't it a 100%?

3. Formation of National Government for Democratic Reforms with consensus of TSPA chieftains.

4. Pretty much the entire establishment will be gone. Lying and cheating is a national trait.

5. Sorry, 10 points is already claimed by a former President. There is no more money in the dekhonomoney.

6. Pray, why would you need peace training centers for followers of the religion of peace?

7. Minorities to be given complete rights? TuQ has a wish to be Taseared.

8. Formation of more provinces to be gifted away to sweeter than honey fliend?

9. This goes against national trait and DNA.

10. So long as it agrees with the politics of direction action of TuQ.

It truly is a banana Republic. Where is Mushy when you need El Presidente of Al-Banana-Republic?

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 21 Aug 2014 04:53

The second isn't even a demand. Or does he wants it that way?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Aug 2014 05:08

Imran Khan is Kejriwal of TSP.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 21 Aug 2014 05:31

The SDRE Kejriwal cannot be compared with TFTA DimRan. Kejriwal actually sat it out for dharnas with the awam, while DimRan ran away to his bungalow when the going got tough to fight another day!

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 21 Aug 2014 07:00

X post from the Indian foreign policy thread

Kashi wrote:MSA's unnecessary and seemingly irrelevant reference to Austro-Hungarian empire triggering WWI may not be a demented ramble. WWI started when Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated in Sarajevo by a Serbian.

Ominously, is MSA trying to say (or threaten) that the history will be repeated in the subcontinent and he's preemptively blaming Modi if the events repeat themselves.

The man is a snake, albeit with little brains or insights of his own. Is he speaking for his masters and trying to warn Modi of certain "consequences"?

I think NM and Doval must be aware of the treacherous plans.

partha · Post by **partha** » 21 Aug 2014 07:51

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/wo ... alist.html

Along with the three Americans, ISIS is holding three citizens of Britain, which like the United States has declined to pay ransoms, former hostages confirmed. The terror group has sent a laundry list of demands for the release of the foreigners, starting with money but also prisoner swaps, including the liberation of Aafia Siddiqui, an M.I.T.-trained Pakistani neuroscientist with ties to Al Qaeda currently incarcerated in a prison in Texas.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Aug 2014 07:52

Nandu wrote:The ISIS "British" momeen who beheaded James Foley is Paki.
Who'da thunk?

The killer, described last night by David Cameron as likely to be a British citizen, has been linked to a group of four British-Pakistani jailers for the Islamic State (Isis). The group is known to have been holding at least a dozen western hostages.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvgzWj3IYAAjm1f.jpg:large
P.S. The pic is of a Brit newspaper front page, it is not a beheading or anything grotesque.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/world ... d=tw-share

The terror group has sent a laundry list of demands for the release of the foreigners, starting with money but also prisoner swaps, including the liberation of Aafia Siddiqui, an M.I.T.-trained Pakistani neuroscientist with ties to Al Qaeda currently incarcerated in a prison in Texas.

So the momeen demanded the release of Aafia Siddiqui. If that is not a dead giveaway, the demand for money is

Probably its our peace loving democratic secular neighbours.

partha · Post by **partha** » 21 Aug 2014 07:59

If ISIS has demanded Aafiya Siddiqui's release, somewhere in the decision making hierarchy of ISIS there are influential Pakis. Is it possible that Pakis are extending their services in guiding ISIS since Pakis are experts in nurturing terror orgs? Could Paki charity organizations like LeT, JeM etc be supplying foot soldiers to ISIS?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Aug 2014 08:09

Oh c'mon the ISIS is Arab + Pakistani.
Funding is from Turkey, Qatar, KSA
Funny thing: Massa is bombing the ISIS by flying off the planes off airbases located in exactly these three fine countries
(One wonders if massa really really wants to stop ISIS killing shias, kurds etc, why bomb them? All they need to do is to ask Turkey, Qatar and KSA intel leadership to advise them to stop senseless murder!)

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Aug 2014 08:13

Gagan wrote:Oh c'mon the ISIS is Arab + Pakistani.
Funding is from Turkey, Qatar, KSA
Funny thing: Massa is bombing the ISIS by flying off the planes off airbases located in exactly these three fine countries(One wonders if massa really really wants to stop ISIS killing shias, kurds etc, why bomb them? All they need to do is to ask Turkey, Qatar and KSA intel leadership to advise them to stop senseless murder!)

Erdogan called Barazani and told him ISIS was told not to attack Kurds but disobeyed and exceeded their brief. Khalifa had his own agenda to not remain Lifafa.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Aug 2014 08:23

Probably the Pakis in the ISIS displayed their pakistaniyat. These louts are idiots of the first order

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Aug 2014 09:03

partha wrote:If ISIS has demanded Aafiya Siddiqui's release, somewhere in the decision making hierarchy of ISIS there are influential Pakis. Is it possible that Pakis are extending their services in guiding ISIS since Pakis are experts in nurturing terror orgs? Could Paki charity organizations like LeT, JeM etc be supplying foot soldiers to ISIS?

Yes. It is LeT. LeT is a powerful organization that has wide support in Pakistan. Not JeM though. Ms Fair has things to say about this. Will try and find quote.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Aug 2014 09:08

Fair writes that LeT is Ahl-e hadith and is the only organization that is totally pro-Pakistan. JeM, LeJ etc are Deobandi organizations that are anti-Paki state.

ISIS, supported by Wahhabis are Sunni Ahl e hadith.

ISIS chief Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi released his first video on saturday and that confirmed he is Salafi in ideology confirming the apprehension that he belongs to Wahabi Salafi groups not belong to Sunni as Media worldwide is claiming. - See more at: http://kohram.in/isis-chief-abu-bakr-al ... ztyeP.dpuf