Re: US strike options on TSP

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Aug 2014 03:07

With equal justice for all:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/2 ... -probation

On June 15, 2013, according to authorities and trial testimony, Couch was witnessed on surveillance video stealing two cases of beer from a Walmart store, driving with seven passengers in his father's Ford F-350 pickup truck, and speeding (70 MPH in a designated 40 MPH zone). Three hours after the incident, he had a blood-alcohol content of 0.24, three times the legal limit for adult drivers in Texas. Couch also tested positive for Valium.

Approximately an hour after the beer theft, Couch was driving his father's truck at 70 MPH on a dark, rural road where motorist Breanna Mitchell's sport utility vehicle had stalled. Hollie Boyles and her daughter Shelby, who lived nearby, had come out to help her, as had passing youth minister Brian Jennings. Couch's truck swerved off the road and into Mitchell's car, then plowed into Jennings' parked car, which in turn hit an oncoming Volkswagen Beetle. The truck then flipped over and hit a tree. Mitchell, Jennings, and both Hollie and Shelby Boyles were killed, while Couch and his seven teen passengers (none wearing seat belts) survived, as did the two children in Jennings' car and the two people in the Volkswagen.
Got it? Teen steals beer, gets hopped up on valium, then goes on to kill four people. And what did he get? Probation.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 22 Aug 2014 04:13

Just so we're understanding what we are talking about in cities like East St. Louis and Chicago, etc. peruse the following website for Cook county Illinois:

http://heyjackass.com/

scroll down to the race of the victims and grok who is committing the violent crime in Cook county. Some of these stats are amazing.

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 22 Aug 2014 05:08

TSJones wrote:Just so we're understanding what we are talking about in cities like East St. Louis and Chicago, etc. peruse the following website for Cook county Illinois:

http://heyjackass.com/

scroll down to the race of the victims and grok who is committing the violent crime in Cook county. Some of these stats are amazing.

Of course that justifies killing an innocent unarmed black person in St. Louis.

Chicago, St Louis.........whats the difference, whats 300 miles between friends..........and besides "they all" look the same anyway..........Chicago or St Louis. Plus we dont want "them" to vote in Chicago any more than we want "them" to vote in St Louis, right ? Let us "get" a few more of "them".......bang bang.......long live the NRA........long live the rednecks

Every American city, I mean every last one of them, is so racially segregated still in 2014, it makes my head spin. And worse than that, is the problem of mindless stubborn denial that Americans live under.........they refuse to acknowledge or even see this segregation.........they actually believe there is nothing wrong with it, they will come up with all kinds of statistics from Cook county to justify all of this, and if Cook County statistics will not work, they will bring up Mclean County or Marshall County......and it that doesnt work, they will just commission some study with the appropriate slant to create the stats that suit them. And of course, how about passing some more voter id laws, while we are at it, buddy ? Still thousands of "them" will manage to vote......despite all we have managed to accomplish in suppressing vote over the last few years....very worrisome.........and how about that reverse discrimination......"them people" taking up all the jobs meant for the good old white boys and then.........and then.........living off of welfare and food stamps........and then, and then.......buying beer with food stamps and even some cookies.........and then, and then.......buying brand new caddilacs with that welfare check.........gawd......I cant stand it anymore......I am just going to go back and read those Cook County statistics for the 10th time, turn on Fox News, get myself a beer and try and calm down......I cant't stand it........We have got to take back this country........from all those "thems".......O'Riely.....Hannity.......Lou, my man Lou...........where are you all, when I need you......

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 22 Aug 2014 05:13

race dont enter into it, mate.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 22 Aug 2014 05:24

Kirsten Powers to Eric Bolling: You're 'Offended' That Holder Remembers Racism? #Ferguson

Why Most White People Don't Speak Out Against Racism

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Aug 2014 05:55

while Couch and his seven teen passengers (none wearing seat belts) survived,

Goes to prove that drinking and not wearing seat belts is key to survival. Sooo many incidents where the innocents die, the drunk driver walks off without a scratch.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Aug 2014 06:04

Read this oiseule's "explanation": Aren't there any lawyers in America to sue the knickers off the city of St. Louis?

(CNN) -- The man paces back and forth on a St. Louis street, yelling "Shoot me," as two armed police officers approach him.

Less than 20 seconds after their arrival, the officers open fire, killing him.

As new cell phone video emerged Wednesday of the fatal confrontation that claimed the life of Kajieme Powell, a 25-year-old African-American man, St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson tried to explain the officers' action in an appearance on CNN.

The incident took place Tuesday, less than four miles from the suburb of Ferguson where, just days earlier, a police officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teen -- and touched off violent protests.

Dotson said Powell was suspected of walking out of a convenience store with two energy drinks and a package of pastries that he didn't pay for.

Police said Powell had a knife that he pulled out, although that is unclear from the video.

"An edge weapon, a knife, within 21 feet is a lethal weapon," Dotson told CNN. "The officer just did, what I think you or I would do -- they protected their life in that situation."

'Drop the knife'

The video is graphic. CNN has chosen to freeze the footage right before Powell is shot, but the audio continues.

Powell, dressed in khaki pants and a blue sweatshirt, is standing on the side of a street when a police car pulls up on the sidewalk near him.

He takes a few steps back as officers get out of the police cruiser and approach him, armed with guns.

They yell at Powell, repeatedly ordering him to get his hand out of his pocket.

Powell walks towards them, yelling, "Shoot me! Shoot me! Shoot me now."

He takes his hand out of his pocket and appears to be holding something in his right hand, but it's unclear from the video what the object is.

Authorities say Powell was brandishing a knife.

One of the officers says, "Drop the knife." Powell looks back over his shoulder for an instant, then steps over a low concrete wall, off the sidewalk, moving closer to the officers as he is ordered again, "Drop the knife."

Nine shots are heard. (In the unedited video, the man drops to the ground). Onlookers gasp.

The man filming the incident exclaims, "Oh my God."

Questions raised

Dotson said Powell was "acting erratically, walking back and forth up and down the street."

Asked why the officers didn't use alternate weapons, such as a stun gun, to subdue the man, Dotson responded by saying such defenses can be unreliable.

"So you've got an individual armed with a knife, who's moving towards you, not listening to any verbal commands, continues, says 'Shoot me now, kill me now.' Tasers aren't 100%. If that Taser misses, that subject continues on, and hurts an officer," he said.

CNN's Chris Cuomo said the officers' actions raise several questions.
"There was no raising, there was no lunge, there was no charge," he said. "They open fire, both officers open fire."
"The question now becomes, why did they have to do this?"
The two officers involved have been placed on administrative duty, per department policy.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 22 Aug 2014 06:27

They were dispensing some fine "law enforcement".

CNN's Chris Cuomo said the officers' actions raise several questions.
"There was no raising, there was no lunge, there was no charge," he said. "They open fire, both officers open fire."

What does Chris Cuomo know about working in a dangerous situation as these cops were? Huh

The said subject could have had a bazooka in his pocket for all they know, which is why they asked him to pull his hand out. It turned out to be a knife (or something that looked like a knife). The said subject then may have been a kung fu expert who could throw the knife with his hands in the air :- after all he did not pay for a drink in the convenience store. Even if the said subject was not a kung-fu expert, the knife might have been enclosing a small caliber gun.

In any case, the life of two cops was put in grave danger by this man, just by the fact that he had not paid for his energy drinks. Lethal force is justified, clearly.

Now, it would have been the exact result if he had held up a masonry wooden ruler, for it is an edge weapon and if he is not within 21 feet, the peace officer will move closer to end the threat, by a totally justified street execution.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 22 Aug 2014 07:25

On a serious note: Against my better judgement, I watched the video. The video was surprisingly released by the police itself (we truly live in a world full of deluded phucks).

It was either a disoriented/deluded man or it was a classic case of suicide by cops. They shot him when was moving towards the cops, however they had already assumed a confrontational and aggressive position. When he yells "Shoot me, Shoot me, Shoot me", they do not try to distract him or to talk him down. Instead they are barking orders. He then moves to a position where there is no one behind him (which is what makes me think its a suicide by cop). Keeps his hands down, and deliberately moves towards the cops. As expected the shots were rapid, center of mass and ceased only when he was on the ground. All over in about 19 seconds.

For the six minutes after that there was no ambulance. A few center of mass shots would inevitably make it to the spine, but they were trying to flip him around while he was dying (probably to search him). There was one peace officer with his gun drawn while the other was searching the man, probably already dead by the time. Even if he had made it, I doubt he would have ever been able to walk.

There is no point in assuming a confrontational and aggressive position with someone who is mentally disturbed and/or intent on committing suicide. What one can do is to assume a defensive posture and try talk him out of it. When the cops arrive at the scene he had his hand in his pocket and one could see he was holding "something". Instead of assuming defensive position and trying to calm the man down, they take the offensive posture. Making it easy for the man if suicide was his intent, which is highly likely.

Defensive and aggressive posturing creates a condition where the ONLY rational choice you have is to submit to the order. But mentally disturbed people or suicidal people can hardly be expected to be rational. If someone is rational, then they would find better means to commit crimes than this man.

In the end the peace officers come across as lunatics with good weapons training and equipped with zero commonsense or empathy, regardless of what the "law" and "procedure" is with handling these things. What a sad commentary on the state of affairs in a sorry excuse of a state. You can also observe that most people in the video are black, but there is all but one black cop in there (I am not sure if he is black or hispanic).

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Aug 2014 07:28

If you thought Sonia Gandhi promoting Rahul Gandhi was ridiculous, take a look at this:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/ ... -deep.html
Read all the way to the end.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Aug 2014 07:32

The murder of Michael Brown by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson was so routine that an incident report was not needed, apparently.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/2 ... ort-at-all

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 22 Aug 2014 07:37

Gun control laws were passed in the US to avoid precisely these things from happening:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/2 ... iller-Cops

It was designed in such a way that blacks never get access to any weapons. From that initial racist intent, it has now morphed into a liberal war cry.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 22 Aug 2014 12:13

TSJones wrote:Just so we're understanding what we are talking about in cities like East St. Louis and Chicago, etc. peruse the following website for Cook county Illinois:

http://heyjackass.com/

scroll down to the race of the victims and grok who is committing the violent crime in Cook county. Some of these stats are amazing.

I do believe ISIS have missed a trick here. Immediately after the Foley video they should have put a website up that lists the statistics on Christian on Christian violence. Plenty of nice graphics available ready-made from the Inquisition or Ireland or wherever. Buy using the logic of the above website that would excuse them...NOT!

I think TSJones is trolling. He is too intelligent otherwise.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Aug 2014 16:36

if he had held up a masonry wooden ruler, for it is an edge weapon and if he is not within 21 feet

Glad you noticed The Chief's Irrefutable logic.

Don't give them ideas, they'll add that to ITAR (International Trafficking in Arms) laws as a Dual-Use Technology. Along with pieces of cardboard, any signs, roof flashing, ID cards, Credit Cards, Driver's Licenses, Combs. I've managed to get a bleeding cut from the edge of a sheet of copier paper. Add that too.

The 21 feet is when the Officers are carrying handguns, because they can't hit a barn door from beyond that (why else does it take NINE shots to "stop" a "Perp" coming with an "Edge Weapon"?)

Didn't they read Datta's claim that "the moment a suspect is immobilized, they must cease all violence" or something like that? So much for that lie: they just LOVE to get in that vital shooting practice. Sooo macho!

If the officers are carrying sniper rifles, the relevant distance would be 100 feet.

300 feet for bazookas. For the coming 300mm artillery systems, 5 miles because those can be used to wipe out a whole building with the perp and everyone else. After all,

Half the fun is watching the buildings fall

Wonder what this ~~moron's~~ einstein's excuse would be if someone "came" with a roll of toilet paper. However, note the silence from the One Community about this poor man? He didn't even beat up a store clerk. Why does he not deserve a hearing at least posthumously?

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 22 Aug 2014 18:35

Is Barack Obama More of a Realist Than I Am ?

This president isn't weak and waffling. He's calculating, coldhearted, and decisive when it counts

An early hint came in the 2008 presidential campaign, when Obama was asked to identify his favorite movie. His answer was The Godfather. His second favorite? The Godfather, Part II. It was a revealing moment, borne out by subsequent events. He followed the Godfather's advice when he appointed Hillary Clinton secretary of state ("Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer"), and his style as president resembles Marlon Brando's Don Corleone and Al Pacino's Michael Corleone in many ways. They don't make many threats, they never bluster, and they rarely raise their voices. But when the time comes, they dispatch opponents with remorseless indifference and pay little attention to who might get hurt in the process. "It's not personal; it's strictly business."

In fact, because the United States is already so powerful and so secure, there is relatively little the United States could gain in most of these situations, even if they were to turn out well. Furthermore, diving back into the quicksand might easily make them worse.

Equally important is that Obama's approach is causing more trouble for America's various adversaries (and for some of its less cooperative allies) than it is causing the United States, and at a rather low cost to the United States itself. That's not a bad definition of a successful foreign policy: If you can give opponents headaches without having to do very much, what's not to like? The only downside is that innocent third parties end up bearing most of the burden, which merely underscores the degree to which Obama's approach is based on coldhearted realpolitik.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Aug 2014 18:54

^^^ Above article is like praising the virtue of celibacy of a euunuch.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Aug 2014 19:02

The hatred for Obama is astounding.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Aug 2014 08:08

Cops had nothing against African-Americans in particular

(CNN) -- A Missouri police officer involved in maintaining security in troubled Ferguson was put on administrative leave Friday after a video surfaced showing him railing about the Supreme Court, Muslims, and his past -- and perhaps, he said, his future -- as "a killer."

The officer, Dan Page of the St. Louis County Police Department, became something of a familiar face to many earlier this month when video showed him pushing back CNN's Don Lemon (Oh! A Hero!

) and others in a group in Ferguson. But it's another video that led St. Louis County police officials to say they had removed Page from his post and had started a process that will likely include the department's internal affairs unit investigating and a psychological evaluation of the officer.
Officer in Ferguson relieved for remarks
"(I) apologize to the community and anybody who is offended by these remarks, and understand from me that he ... does not represent the rank-and-file of the {trigger-happy, nine-bullet bullies} St. Louis County Police Department," county Police Chief Jon Belmar told CNN. Belmar called the video "so bizarre."
Posted to YouTube and highlighted by CrooksandLiars.com, the video shows the military veteran talking for about an hour to an Oath Keepers group. According to its website, Oath Keepers is "a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to 'defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.'"

The president of the Oath Keepers' St. Louis/St. Charles chapter, Duane Weed, told CNN that Page was a guest speaker and is not a member of his group. A link to the video of his speech was posted to the local chapter's Facebook page on April 23 -- a day after it happened -- along with text that highlighted what Page had to say about the dangers of private contractors in war zones.
{Ha! Read what Ulan Bator News posted on this topic a few hundred posts ago!)
That was just one of many topics Page touched on, sometimes jokingly and at other times very seriously.

In his rambling remarks on the video, he talks about what he describes as a draft replacement for the U.S. Constitution, the "four sodomites on the Supreme Court," and a visit to Kenya "to our undocumented President's home." He refers to Barack Obama as "that illegal alien who claims to be our President."

Page frequently references violence, including nine combat tours in the Army, during which he did "my fair share of killing."
Speaking about Muslims, he says pointedly: "They will kill you."
On domestic disputes, he opines: "You don't like each other that much, just kill each other and get it over with. Problem solved. Get it done."
On urban violence, he predicts that "when the inner cities start to ignite, people are going to start killing people they don't like."
And lastly, Page says, "I personally believe the Lord Jesus Christ is my savior, but I'm also a killer. I've killed a lot and, if I need to, I will kill a whole bunch more."

"If you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me."

Belmar, the head of the St. Louis County police department, said all the talk about killing was especially disturbing to him. {Unless it was the killing of poor disturbed people, which he thoroughly endorses}

"As a police chief, that's something I'm not going to be able to endure," Belmar said.

CNN's AnneClaire Stapleton contributed to this report.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 23 Aug 2014 16:49

Singha wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... topstories

crowdfunding collects $235k for police officer who started the ferguson thing.

---
reminds of similar effort to help Gen dyer after he was recalled to bartania for enquiry after jallianwala bagh.

Comment from one of the donor to Darren Wilson. There are hundreds of such racist comments from Darren Wilson's donors which gofundme has to delete. Yet the whites in America pretend that this is not about race

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 23 Aug 2014 17:05

I see Dead People (But Not Racists)

Many voters are reality invariant, they say things about who they are rather than the world they live in.

In the US, more whites believe they have touched a ghost than believe blacks are discriminated against a lot. I would consider this a good example of people being reality invariant. Needless to say there’s ample evidence of racism, and little of ghosts, but note that these beliefs are treated differently.

Reality invariant voters are sometimes paid attention to, and sometimes not. It’s not enough to blame policy errors on politicians pandering to the reality invariant. When and where they’re tolerated or ignored tells us a lot too.

One reason there are racist policing policies is that white voters in America don’t realise they exist or pretend they don’t. But there are no ghost friendly policies to the same degree despite comparable levels of reality invariance.

Some of this is because the fish is the last to know the water. Many Americans have swam in racism so long they don’t see it. Another is that there is no institutional outlet for supporting ghost based policies unlike those for racism.

I think the idea of a reality invariant electorate is important, but it’s not nearly a complete theory, as the above example shows. History, path dependence and institutional capability and development all play a role in whether these reality invariant voters are catered to or not.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 23 Aug 2014 17:28

Missouri lt. Gov. Peter Kinder - " We Need Anglo-American Justice in Ferguson Not Racial Protests "

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Aug 2014 07:46

When the Angelic High Schooler manages to get the cop's gunCNN) --

A police chief in a small Texas town was shot multiple times during a traffic stop Saturday afternoon and later died, authorities said.
Michael Pimentel served in Elmendorf, a suburb southeast of San Antonio with about 1,500 residents.
According to Rosanne Hughes, spokeswoman of the Bexar County Sheriff's Office, Pimentel pulled over a vehicle in a residential area. There was a struggle and Pimentel was shot, Hughes said.
The chief was flown by helicopter to University Hospital in San Antonio, where he died of his wounds, according to Hughes.
The Bexar County Sheriff's Office took 24-year-old Joshua Manuel Lopez into custody and he will face charges of capital murder of a police officer, said Hughes.
According to Hughes, Lopez had an active misdemeanor warrant for graffiti at the time he was pulled over.
At a press conference, Sheriff Susan L. Pamerleau expressed her department's condolences and said "even on a quiet, peaceful day in a small town, it can turn deadly in an instant."
Before he was Elmendorf's top officer, Pimentel served as police chief of the San Antonio Independent School District, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page.
A call placed to what is believed to be the Lopez family residence was not immediately returned.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 24 Aug 2014 08:13

Who here is claiming that brown was an angel. Why you keep beating that line sir.

Brown probably was a thug and probably did rob that store. So? He was not an angel, so? Al sharpton inserts himself into this to do his usual thing, so? Blacks kill more blacks, so? Black on black violence does not get this much attention or outrage, so?

Does not mean a cop can gun down unarmed person. Until I get clear evidence of brown making a grab for that gun - there is no amount of posts from you that can make me think it was OK to shoot him.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Aug 2014 19:50

Policing in Missouri (Washington Post article is the basis, with some commentary):
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/2 ... e-Ferguson

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Aug 2014 19:56

Unknown - how many people are killed by the police in the US annually.
http://gawker.com/what-ive-learned-from ... 1625472836

The biggest thing I've taken away from this project is something I'll never be able to prove, but I'm convinced to my core: The lack of such a database is intentional. No government—not the federal government, and not the thousands of municipalities that give their police forces license to use deadly force—wants you to know how many people it kills and why.

It's the only conclusion that can be drawn from the evidence. What evidence? In attempting to collect this information, I was lied to and delayed by the FBI, even when I was only trying to find out the addresses of police departments to make public records requests. The government collects millions of bits of data annually about law enforcement in its Uniform Crime Report, but it doesn't collect information about the most consequential act a law enforcer can do.

I've been lied to and delayed by state, county and local law enforcement agencies—almost every time. They've blatantly broken public records laws, and then thumbed their authoritarian noses at the temerity of a citizen asking for information that might embarrass the agency. And these are the people in charge of enforcing the law.

The second biggest thing I learned is that bad journalism colludes with police to hide this information. The primary reason for this is that police will cut off information to reporters who tell tales. And a reporter can't work if he or she can't talk to sources. It happened to me on almost every level as I advanced this year-long Fatal Encounters series through the News & Review. First they talk; then they stop, then they roadblock.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Aug 2014 21:55

The biggest thing I've taken away from this project is something I'll never be able to prove, but I'm convinced to my core: The lack of such a database is intentional. No government—not the federal government, and not the thousands of municipalities that give their police forces license to use deadly force—wants you to know how many people it kills and why.

This sounds very impressive, Guptaji, and great that you were able to dig deep and find such a resource. A blow for Free Speech, very commendable.

But as Hamilton Burger might say, it is Not The Best Evidence. How about spending 0.1 seconds on Google starting to type "Deaths by .." and you hit it right at the top:

U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics
Arrest-Related Deaths, 2003-2009 - Statistical Tables
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf

They have breakdown by local jurisdiction.

Of course I can't find stuff after 2009. Perhaps the rate has shot up under the Democrat administration?

And of course the picture is bad: AAs constitute maybe 11 percent of US population? 38% of decedents are AA, vs. 40% EAs (European Americans). But where is the basis for the claim of the "project" you have cited, that such data are impossible to find? Where did the searchers search? In Saudi Arabia?

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 25 Aug 2014 03:43

one thing I have to support is that the prosecutor McCulloch must be removed and a special prosecutor appointed

In small 100 dollar stupid cases where I have been summoned for jury duty they ask questions like if I or a near family member has been a victim of a crime etc

and here they have allowed this guy to go on for years - when his father was murdered by an AA.

makes no sense

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Aug 2014 04:11

UlanBatori:

From the URL you provided:

Arrest-related deaths are under-reported. BJS did not attempt to estimate for partial or non-responding jurisdictions.

The Appendix Table 2 tells you states not reporting.

This is a 2013 bill that did not pass that tries to put reporting requirements:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/ ... ofcongress

PS: further, the goal is to learn about all police shootings, including where the shot-at-person did not die.

PPS: http://regressing.deadspin.com/were-com ... 1624180387

PPPS: a while ago, I had a minor fender bender, but it still had to have a police report written up. Within a week, I had a dozen letters from attorneys' offices, asking me if I had someone I wanted to sue. So the incident report for minor car accidents is more than just publicly available, it looks like you can subscribe to them. The accident has my name, age, address, etc.. Why aren't the incident reports when police fire shots just as available?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Aug 2014 04:25

Here is a Master's Thesis from 2011 from Arizona State University, assessing the quality of the Arrest Related Death data reporting:
http://repository.asu.edu/attachments/5 ... _10572.pdf

The study finds that all types of ARDs, not just police-involved homicides, are not accurately and reliably reported. Furthermore, the information provided is not reliably reported or interesting to research initiatives.

I suggest reading the whole thesis.

PS:

Overall, the media report data identified 18 more ARD cases for California. The
state of California already had a state reporting system of ARDs in place before the DCRP (Mumola, 2007). Texas also had a mandatory reporting system in place and underreported other homicides and illness/natural caused deaths compared to the media data for 2005. This suggests that there may be a problem with the way data is collected. Other discrepancies include Oklahoma where 9 ARDs were reported in the media, but only one was in the DCRP. Nebraska underreported by a ratio of 1 to 5 for overall ARDs for 2005. Additionally, the DCRP also underreported cases for Connecticut, Florida, and New York. Again, data collection varies from state to state, which may be one of the biggest factors
contributing to the underreporting by the DCRP

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 25 Aug 2014 05:43

As an impartial observer, I'm going to make a radical suggestion...

Release OJ Simpson from jail.
That will even up the score.
Its the only thing that can bring calm to both white & black communities...
until OJ goes on another rampage.
Then all bets are off.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Aug 2014 07:54

Hellooo Neshant: I take credit for being the only person in my known "community" (whether work-place or social) to have accurately predicted by reading the newspapers that OJ HAD to be found innocent if there was any justice at all. The trial was a sham, the prosecutors were 'not-sleeping' together, the whole emphasis was on one prosecutor's hairdo or another's designer jacket etc. The main police witness was a known racist with KKK-type ties, and was suspected of planting evidence, which is why it was only plain justice that Johnny Cochran was able to declare:

If the glove don't fit
You MUST acquit

What happened after that was the real murder: of justice. A lynchmob "jury" in a civil court found Simpson ~~probably~~ ~~possibly~~ circumstantially responsible for the murders, and basically stripped him of all his money, which is what they were after from the beginning. The man was driven into the ground, and then arrested again on some trumped-up charges. He was broke, couldn't afford good lawyers, and is in jail for life on some ludicrous "armed robbery" conviction which was astoundingly bogus. An utter travesty. A hundred Mag 6 quakes won't clean up LA's sins in this. Maybe a good Mag 10 or 11?

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Aug 2014 08:42

UlanBatori wrote:Hellooo Neshant: I take credit for being the only person in my known "community" (whether work-place or social) to have accurately predicted by reading the newspapers that OJ HAD to be found innocent if there was any justice at all. The trial was a sham, the prosecutors were 'not-sleeping' together, the whole emphasis was on one prosecutor's hairdo or another's designer jacket etc. The main police witness was a known racist with KKK-type ties, and was suspected of planting evidence, which is why it was only plain justice that Johnny Cochran was able to declare:
If the glove don't fit
You MUST acquit
What happened after that was the real murder: of justice. A lynchmob "jury" in a civil court found Simpson ~~probably~~ ~~possibly~~ circumstantially responsible for the murders, and basically stripped him of all his money, which is what they were after from the beginning. The man was driven into the ground, and then arrested again on some trumped-up charges. He was broke, couldn't afford good lawyers, and is in jail for life on some ludicrous "armed robbery" conviction which was astoundingly bogus. An utter travesty. A hundred Mag 6 quakes won't clean up LA's sins in this. Maybe a good Mag 10 or 11?

As an aside a Mag 6 is a good shaking -- I have now woken up, and then gone back to sleep ("Its just an earthquake" --me) twice, once in each country, for 6+ mag shaking. I am dumb or something.

srin · Post by **srin** » 25 Aug 2014 15:44

http://gawker.com/what-black-parents-te ... 1624412625

Excerpt:

This fear has fueled a generational need for a portentous, culturally compulsory lecture that warns young black men about the inherent strikes against them, about the society that is built to bring them down. It is a harbinger of the inevitable, a wishful attempt at exceptionalism, passed down like an heirloom.

Every black male I've ever met has had this talk, and it's likely that I'll have to give it one day too. There are so many things I need to tell my future son, already, before I've birthed him; so many innocuous, trite thoughts that may not make a single difference. Don't wear a hoodie. Don't try to break up a fight. Don't talk back to cops. Don't ask for help. But they're all variations of a single theme: Don't give them an excuse to kill you.

The comments are especially insightful ...

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 25 Aug 2014 17:45

stripped him of all his money

in the US retirement funds are immune to civil law suit. Simpson had over 4 million in retirement funds.

also Simpson was subsequently arrested and convicted for robbing a sports convention in Vegas at gun point in an attempt at recovering his previously stolen sports memrobillia. the problem was, those items did not belong to him, they belonged to the lawsuit winners (his victim's families). they were stolen out of a storage shed that he failed to tell the lawyers about. in other words he was robbing items that were legally no longer his. now he sits in prison.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Aug 2014 22:59

Look at this first:
https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/ ... 52/photo/1
and then this:
http://images.dailykos.com/images/10101 ... 1408550030

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 25 Aug 2014 23:18

Nothing brings out the tribal in whites as OJ's case does.

He was the one black mofo that got away. How dare he kill one of our women and get away with it. So even when the courts, the prosecution and everyone else could not find enough evidence to create even "reasonable doubt", everyone turned to the Kangaroo courts hosted by media vigilantes. They called the prosecution and courts corrupt and one that cannot dispense the law in a "proper manner". It disturbed the "peace" in the white minds.

These are the same people who are totally in peace with disproportionate blacks being murdered by cops and vigilantes, disproportionate number of non-whites being imprisoned for petty victimless drug related crimes. And these are the people who say "its the law of the land, deal with it" when the US "legally-raped" Devayani Khobragade .

In short, the white mind is tribal. Nothing more, nothing less. Their inner "peace" is disturbed when their tribal power structure is questioned, like when OJ was let go. In their minds he was guilty and that was it, their supposed laws, courts and procedures which did not find him "guilty" are all bullshit. The only way the white tribal power would have kept its equilibrium position is if OJ was "somehow" found guilty.

So black/brown/orange/yellow kids, don't upset the white tribal structure. They will find one way or the other to lynch you.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 26 Aug 2014 01:10

Gus wrote:

Brown probably was a thug and probably did rob that store. So?

Did they find the box of cigars on him after shooting him dead as he lay there for 5 hours? Or had he already smoked all of them in that time? And did the toxicology analysis show that he was high on PCP or anything like that?

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 26 Aug 2014 01:15

Lokesh, it is not just the cops and vigilantes. if we were to look at how jury system behaved in south, we can see huge problems in how blacks vs whites play out there. other than famous cases, we cannot even quantify the extent of this (like how we can tell how many people did cops kill etc)

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 26 Aug 2014 01:42

Gusji,

Yes, completely agree. The point I was trying to make was that literally everyone who was white or coconut/oreo types are still enraged about the OJ verdict.

The verdict was reached using the same court, the same systems, the same cops, the same investigators that they praise when a black person is punished, regardless of his guilt. "He is black, he *must* be a thug, he must be hung" is the underlying thought process. OJ is the one that supposedly "got away" with it, whereas the evidence is not even sufficient and even points to OJ not being guilty.

These same guys seem to overlook something much worse that is happening everywhere in the US, especially in the south. A white guy like Zimmerman and countless others have gotten away with murdering black/colored folks with the standard excuse of "he was a thug and I was defending myself". There is very little evidence you would need to get away with it, much lesser evidence than if you "defended yourself" against a white person.

Look at the articles A_Gupta has posted above. I have seen a bunch of black kids getting murdered by cops in my time here. Every time the media follows the standard algorithm, which points to a phenomenon called "confirmation bias". That algorithm is : "Find something that will confirm my belief that the dead kid/man is a thug". If a white kid got shot, it would be more like: "He was a good achiever, blah blah" etc.

This is the so called "liberal media" in the US, and one can imagine the state of a member of a Jury in the south. That member would need a lot of convincing to even believe that the black person on trial was normal and not a thug, and a mountain of evidence to prove that he or she did not commit the crime. It is the exact opposite in case of a white person.

This is nothing but tribal, ass-backwards behavior. Fully and completely racist, and surprisingly adhered to even by the most liberal, self-proclaimed color blind, "expert-on-racism" white person. I was surprised when I first discovered it. Now that I am aware of history, it is hardly surprising.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Aug 2014 02:15

^^^ LokeshC, today on Fox News, a commentator objected to calling #Ferguson's Michael Brown unarmed. He was 6'4" after all, and two hundred and something pounds, how can he be called unarmed? To your point, Michael Brown is "scary black guy" and nothing within his control could change that.