Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 22 Aug 2014 22:24

The 'Kiyani Called Haqqanis Strategic Assets' link in the first post of the thread leads to a Sunday Times page that asks for a login.
Can it be changed to another, open link?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 22 Aug 2014 22:25

KLNMurthyJi, I agree 100% with what you say. All I am saying is no harm listening Haqqani out in a dispassionate manner.

BTW: This probably belongs in the US India thread, but there seems to be major kujli in DC at Modi calling off talks with TSP. I don't see any backlash against him India as this report claims

http://news.yahoo.com/big-win-indias-le ... 42207.html

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 22 Aug 2014 22:31

RCase wrote:

Not sure if this has been posted before.
The good Haqqani giving a speech in Bangalore. Hard to believe this guy was the representative of the previous government in the US.
Candid admission of the ills and delusions of Pakistan, issue of terrorism sponsored by TSP etc. If he were to go back to the LoP, he would be cutlet!

I'm sorry, no BRFite or sane Indian falls for this horesh*t. I stopped it after he says Jinnah wanted 2 separate states with open borders

. I know where he is going with this talk. All is ==. Let me guess...we have Congress, they have Muslim League and we both have to shed both in order to have better relations. Bloody beggar mentality is in every Paki. The cancer they created has metastasized and is consuming everything outside of Punjab and is now slowly moving within Punjab itself which is making every scotch loving elitist kiss a** to India.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 22 Aug 2014 22:34

This is letter of Pakistan's PM Jinnah to Balochistan's PM Khan of Kalat.

Ranjani Brow · Post by **Ranjani Brow** » 22 Aug 2014 22:50

Butts ask Imran Khan to apologize for maligning them

LAHORE: Butt fraternity has expressed immense grief and anger over its character assassination during speeches by politicians at protest sit-ins in Islamabad, while the members have also warned of a ‘Butt March’ if the process continues, ARY News reported.

According to details, Gullu Butt, Pomi Butt and Billu Butt have become important enough to get space in the speeches of leaders of Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) and Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT), yet the speeches are inciting grief and anger among the Butt brotherhood countrywide

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 22 Aug 2014 23:00

CRamS wrote:KLNMurthyJi, I agree 100% with what you say. All I am saying is no harm listening Haqqani out in a dispassionate manner.

BTW: This probably belongs in the US India thread, but there seems to be major kujli in DC at Modi calling off talks with TSP. I don't see any backlash against him India as this report claims

http://news.yahoo.com/big-win-indias-le ... 42207.html

No harm? It will be x minutes of time that won't come back, all to listen to a bunch of recycled incoherent paki garbage that is as old and putrid as a hill of refuse.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 23 Aug 2014 01:18

Haqqani is a rat who rats on his own country. Yes he is indirectly helping us but he is directly helping khan and there where loyalty of this rat lies. He cannot be trusted and doesn't deserve more respect than a traitor. Having said that he has given some interesting insights on paki army.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 23 Aug 2014 01:46

Victimology - paki style. Butts ask Imran Khan to apologize for maligning them

All the butts, all together.

Butt fraternity has expressed immense grief and anger over its character assassination during speeches by politicians at protest sit-ins in Islamabad, while the members have also warned of a ‘Butt March’ if the process continues

Gullu Butt, Pomi Butt and Billu Butt have become important enough to get space in the speeches of leaders of Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) and Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT)

The Butts of Lahore gave an ultimatum to Imran Khan

The Butts also demanded that from now on, they will not be rear ended or be discarded after a good smoke or probed.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Aug 2014 02:22

I think Pakistan as name is associated with terrorism and now have become too Badnaam . I gggest to show the loving side of the peppels of this area, proper rename can be Buttland , the homeland of Bjorn Smalllund & Grim Bigggand.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 23 Aug 2014 02:31

kancha wrote:The 'Kiyani Called Haqqanis Strategic Assets' link in the first post of the thread leads to a Sunday Times page that asks for a login.
Can it be changed to another, open link?

This link will let you read at least the beginning of the article, and pasting some text from there into Google will bring up a few copies of the article.

It is Musharraf, not Kiyani who is mentioned in the story as referring to the Haqqanis as strategic assets.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 23 Aug 2014 03:21

kancha wrote:The 'Kiyani Called Haqqanis Strategic Assets' link in the first post of the thread leads to a Sunday Times page that asks for a login.
Can it be changed to another, open link?

Nandu wrote:This link will let you read at least the beginning of the article, and pasting some text from there into Google will bring up a few copies of the article.

It is Musharraf, not Kiyani who is mentioned in the story as referring to the Haqqanis as strategic assets.

Kancha Jio & Nandu Ji :

1. HAQQANI NETWORK

In a transcript passed to Mike McConnell, the Director of National Intelligence in May 2008, Pakistan’s army chief General Ashfaq Kayani was heard referring to Haqqani as “a strategic asset.”

2. Pakistan slides further into chaos

While Mullen claims periodically that Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani is sincere in his determination to root out Taliban extremism, other reports suggest that the CIA has evidence of Kiyani describing Taliban military commander Haqqani as a “strategic asset”.

3. The Inheritance of Loss

A book titled The Inheritance written by David Sanger, a correspondent of the New York Times, published recently has received much attention because of its disclosures about how the previous administration of George Bush realised that Gen (now retired) Pervez Musharraf was playing a double game with the US– pretending to act against the Taliban and covertly using it as strategic asset. It also refers to a reported intercept of a telephone conversation of Gen.Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, the present chief of the Army Staff, in which he referred to Jallaluddin Haqqani, a Taliban commander, as a strategic asset.

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 23 Aug 2014 03:34

kmkraoind wrote:This is letter of Pakistan's PM Jinnah to Balochistan's PM Khan of Kalat.

kmkraoind

Jinnah was not the Prime Minister of Pakistan as he had been appointed the Governor General of Pakistan by His Majesty King George VI, King of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Commonwealth.

Cheers

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Aug 2014 05:44

abhijitm wrote:Haqqani is a rat who rats on his own country. Yes he is indirectly helping us but he is directly helping khan and there where loyalty of this rat lies. He cannot be trusted and doesn't deserve more respect than a traitor. Having said that he has given some interesting insights on paki army.

The general principle, time tested, is not to trust any Pakistani at all. The 'better' Haqqani is no exception to this. Of course, whatever is helpful to us to highlight Pakistani perfidy to the rest of the world, we should take it, especially when it comes from a Pakistani horse's mouth itself. We should throw these things at our own Mir Jaffers.

I believe that more than good sense, it is the 'better' Haqqani's anger at the way he was treated by the Army that is driving him and his wife to take revenge. At the same time, there is no doubt that he is more moderate and truthful than most other Pakistanis. BTW, a good chunk of his wife's family continues yo live in Chennai.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Aug 2014 05:52

SSridhar wrote:
abhijitm wrote:Haqqani is a rat who rats on his own country. Yes he is indirectly helping us but he is directly helping khan and there where loyalty of this rat lies. He cannot be trusted and doesn't deserve more respect than a traitor. Having said that he has given some interesting insights on paki army.
The general principle, time tested, is not to trust any Pakistani at all. The 'better' Haqqani is no exception to this. Of course, whatever is helpful to us to highlight Pakistani perfidy to the rest of the world, we should take it, especially when it comes from a Pakistani horse's mouth itself. We should throw these things at our own Mir Jaffers.

I believe that more than good sense, it is the 'better' Haqqani's anger at the way he was treated by the Army that is driving him and his wife to take revenge. At the same time, there is no doubt that he is more moderate and truthful than most other Pakistanis. BTW, a good chunk of his wife's family continues yo live in Chennai.

Just because Aurangzeb imprisoned Shah Jahan it is wrong to believe that Aurangzeb or his father were the epitome of desirable universal values of liberalism, freedom and equality for all.

They oppose each other. They will screw us as well, given the chance

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Aug 2014 05:58

Why India’s decision to cancel talks with Pakistan is not a mistake

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 23 Aug 2014 06:09

Wait. Stop the press. Duspercenti Zardari (remember him?) has a formula to solve the current, most recent crisis. ‘Zardari formula’ and its not what you think.

Mr Zardari will tell the prime minister to show ‘large-heartedness’ to resolve the crisis

Even if the prime minister has to opt for some sacrifice

See, that's why you Yindoos could never solve the cash-mere issue. No large heartedness. No sacrifice.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 23 Aug 2014 06:13

With passage of time pakis are slowly losing their emotional connection with their arap birathers. Here's another nail in that coffin. Guddu is Dead, D-E-D dead.

A young male Bactrian camel named Guddu suffering from a hump injury for months was found dead in its zoo enclosure on Friday morning

seen as the only hope...

died of ruminal tympany

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Aug 2014 06:21

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s former Ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani writes in Yale Global about the Islamic Republics obsession with India:

Pakistan, Obsessed Over India, Risks Anarchy : Pakistan cannot afford India as lasting enemy, yet agitators won’t let leaders make peace

Article also appears in Huffington Post under the same though shortened title “Obsessed With India, Pakistan Risks Anarchy”:

Huffington Post

And in Outlook India under the different title of “Snafu Situation”:

Outlook India

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 23 Aug 2014 06:25

There may be a Shia Sunni angle to Haqqani's current rancour for the Pakistani army. His wife is a Ispahani, most likely of Irani origin. He may be a Sunni married to a Shia.

He was also very close to Benazair Bhutto. An Iranian taxi driver told me that Nusrat Bhutto was a Ispahani as well.

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Aug 2014 07:01

kancha wrote:The 'Kiyani Called Haqqanis Strategic Assets' link in the first post of the thread leads to a Sunday Times page that asks for a login.
Can it be changed to another, open link?

Google Books link to Page 248 of David Sanger's book "The Inheritance" where he reveals that the fromer head of the uniformed Jihadi's of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Gen. Kiyani, reffered to Mohammadden Terrorist Jalaluddi Haqqani as a "Strategic Asset":

Clicky

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 23 Aug 2014 07:02

anupmisra wrote:With passage of time pakis are slowly losing their emotional connection with their arap birathers. Here's another nail in that coffin. Guddu is Dead, D-E-D dead.

A young male Bactrian camel named Guddu suffering from a hump injury for months was found dead in its zoo enclosure on Friday morning

She is the fifth addition to the number of mammals living without a mate at the zoo. The others are: a zebra, a lion, a golden tabby tiger and a langur, all males.

Now that explains the HUMP injury!

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 23 Aug 2014 07:47

^^^They need to investigate the zoo attendant and check for presence of his DNA in camel. After all these are descendants of arapian fore-fathers we are talking about.

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Aug 2014 08:40

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

anupmisra wrote:
Rony wrote:Why so many British jihadis in ISIS ?
Mostly paki-origin brits. Its the same reason why convicted criminals in jails all over the civilized world convert to the religion of peace. Because that's where atonement for past is immediate, and murder and rape are perks.

Report that Mohammadden Terrorist who beheaded US Journalist James Foley is suspected to have roots from where else but in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, supports what you say about the role of Pakistani’s.

The British are reaping the bitter fruits of permitting Mohammadden citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to migrate to the UK:

James Foley's Killer: Hunt is On for British-Pakistani Isis Militant 'John'

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Aug 2014 09:11

X Posted from the “26/11/2008: Never Forgive, Never Forget” thread.

The depredations of Mohammadden Terrorist’s aided and abetted by “State Actors” in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan stand overcome. Chabad House aka Nariman House attacked during Mumbai 26/11 set to reopen.

I extend to Chabad House my good wishes and hope they enjoy a long peaceful innings untroubled by Mohammadden Terrorists:

Mumbai Chabad Center Reopens Tuesday With an Eye to the Future : Building to Enable Further Expansion of Jewish Activities, Unabated Since 2008 Terrorist Attack

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Aug 2014 09:31

How come the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan never seem to find and stop anyone looking to do harm to India on their side of the border / line of control despite the bulk of their military forces being deployed there

The Indian army on Friday night discovered a cross-border tunnel dug close to 50 meters into the Indian territory from Pakistan side in Pallanwala sector near Akhnoor in Jammu & Kashmir. Pointing out that the tunnel was big enough for terrorists to sneak into the Indian territory from Pakistan side, sources said that the area was immediately sealed by the troops.

Indian Express:

Indian army uncovers cross-border tunnel; Pakistani Rangers kill two civilians, injure four

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Aug 2014 09:47

I was debating the issue at a favourite watering hole,with a chum who personally knows our dear little lamented and decisively defeated Quisling,now in the gloomy darkness,the candlelight of his political career,his imbecelic dialogue of the absurd with Pak.In fact speechless in truth was he,with the words emanating from his mouth those inserted by his "burattinaio" (puppet-master).

We now have the familiar sight of anarchy in Pak,with rival power centres jockeying for position,with the "great brown hope",Pathan Khan boasting (how the Pakis love to boast),that he would rather die than retreat from upending the Sherrif.I am sure that rolling in laughter along with us Injuns are the uniformed top crass of the Paki high command,at the antics of their political parasites and religious zealots,petenders to the throne of thorns.

For the Paki military,the age-old strategy of the "crore commanders" is simple."Liberate Kashmir" from "Indian oppressors" to the cries of "AOA",whip up anti-Indian sentiments,sabre rattle, send in the terrorist pigs and try to keep the pot simmering.It is their raison d'etre.Only a perpetual enmity with India or some miraculous victory military or diplomatic achieved by them justifies their existence.Gen.Mush-a-rat tried both tricks,on and off the field of battle.He lost both times.If the pot boils over,it is always the Pakis who get burnt,as it was in '48,'65,'71 and at Kargil.So at regular intervals the tactic is to "send in the clowns", to titillate the imbecelic intellengtsia...on both sides,raising hopes of a "p*ss in our time",hoping that an Indian Neville Chamberlain,or a Man Mohan Singh might sign away over the table what Pak couldn't grasp on the battlefield.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 23 Aug 2014 09:59

Pakis now claiming that Partition was a mistake: Look at their hearts CRYING for re-integration

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Aug 2014 10:05

So ex-PAA ISI wing, Pasha staged a coup with DImmy and Qadri to get over the US objections to military coups. Now that it has failed who is going to pay the price?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 23 Aug 2014 10:21

http://www.dawn.com/news/1127195

The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) received a vote of confidence from some unlikely allies, as the proscribed Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ) – formerly known as the Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) – rallied in support of the ruling party after Friday prayers.

The demonstrators, led by ASWJ chief Ahmed Ludhianvi, marched from the Lal Masjid to the National Press Club, in opposition to what they called “attempts to replicate an Iran-style revolution in Pakistan”.

However, the rally was punctuated by sectarian slogans.

If you wanted any more proof of nawaz secular and tolerant credentials.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Aug 2014 10:34

Zulfikar Bhutto said thus: "India is held together by the noise and chaos of its democracy".
Philip says this:"Pakistan will disintegrate because of the noise and chaos its theocracy"!

partha · Post by **partha** » 23 Aug 2014 13:15

Yawn editorial:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1127138/light- ... the-tunnel

Light at the end of the tunnel?

Light could well be from the fast approaching army trucks of 111 brigade.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 23 Aug 2014 17:25

ramana wrote:So ex-PAA ISI wing, Pasha staged a coup with DImmy and Qadri to get over the US objections to military coups. Now that it has failed who is going to pay the price?

ramana Ji :

Elementary my Dear Ramana Ji : I'm the Dim and Frair TuQ.

Cheers

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 23 Aug 2014 18:22

partha wrote:Yawn editorial:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1127138/light- ... the-tunnel

Light at the end of the tunnel?
Light could well be from the fast approaching army trucks of 111 brigade.

My my what a fall for the mighty Pa'astan Fauj. Can't even do a straightforward coup.
Have to resort to tahashebazi by the likes of Taliban Khan and Tuk Tuk Padri.
Anyway, destabilizing civilians in their country is right up their alley, it seems the faujis can't sit idle in pindi.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 23 Aug 2014 19:43

arun wrote:How come the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan never seem to find and stop anyone looking to do harm to India on their side of the border / line of control despite the bulk of their military forces being deployed there

The Indian army on Friday night discovered a cross-border tunnel dug close to 50 meters into the Indian territory from Pakistan side in Pallanwala sector near Akhnoor in Jammu & Kashmir. Pointing out that the tunnel was big enough for terrorists to sneak into the Indian territory from Pakistan side, sources said that the area was immediately sealed by the troops.

Pakis learnt this (building clandestine tunnels) from their fillistine brothers. I wish the troops had not sealed the tunnel on discovery but waited for the momeens to use it and then, ...splat!

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 23 Aug 2014 20:24

their back doors are being ripped apart it seems

“@dawn_com: Pakistan suggests urgent DGMOs meeting to India after ceasefire violation | http://www.dawn.com/news/1127237/ pic.twitter.com/aHQCTECjsd” Good!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 23 Aug 2014 21:00

Now that N Modi has shown everyone the way to deal with Pakistan, even Con-gressis are seeing the light.

Manish Tewary speaks thus...

The Baloch Question

When India can host the Tibetan government in exile in Dharamsala, should Balochistan be treated differently? Should India at least not bilaterally raise it with Pakistan?

Looks like the clueless Sonia-mata-ji finally woke up, took a cue from what NaMo had done, realized that the world did not end, and that it was the need of the hour to atleast appear to talk tough on Pakistan and its terror sponsoring ways.
For 10 long years, these guys under their clueless mata's tutelage tried not to upset the applecart and probably the gravy train. Kept everything in Status Quo!

yuck!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 23 Aug 2014 21:17

Immy apparently just gave a speech that people should use Hawala to transfer money to starve the government of funds

. Meanwhile US treasury explains Hawla as

Abdul is a Pakistani living in New York and driving a taxi. He entered the country on a tourist visa, which has long since expired. From his job as a taxi driver, he has saved $5,000 that he wants to send to his brother, Mohammad, who is living in Karachi

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... la-rpt.pdf

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Aug 2014 21:33

Anujan wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1127195

The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) received a vote of confidence from some unlikely allies, as the proscribed Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ) – formerly known as the Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) – rallied in support of the ruling party after Friday prayers.

The demonstrators, led by ASWJ chief Ahmed Ludhianvi, marched from the Lal Masjid to the National Press Club, in opposition to what they called “attempts to replicate an Iran-style revolution in Pakistan”.

However, the rally was punctuated by sectarian slogans.
If you wanted any more proof of nawaz secular and tolerant credentials.

The support for Nawaz Sharif is based on Mohammadden sectarian logic within contending Sunni factions. The Ahle Sunaat Wal Jamaat (AWSJ) is a Sunni Deobandi Mohammadden outfit. The boss of the Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT), Tahir-ul-Qadri, is on the other hand a Sunni Barelvi Mohammadden and consequently the membership of the PAT is also largely Barelvi.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 23 Aug 2014 22:15

Vision or illusion?

Out of 25 ‘goals’ contained in the seven ‘pillars’, the following are the important ones:

• Increase primary school enrolment and completion rate to 100 percent and literacy rate to 90 percent by 2025;

• Increase proportion of population with access to improved sanitation from 48 percent to 90 percent in 2025;

• Reduce poverty level by half by 2025;

• Increase annual foreign direct investment from $600 million to over $15 billion in 2025;

• Increase tax-to-GDP ratio from 9.8 percent to 18 percent by 2025;

• Double power generation, reduce average per unit cost of production by 25 percent, and increase electricity access to 90 percent of the population by 2025.

• Increase home remittances from $14 billion to $40 billion in 2025;

• Triple labour and capital productivity by 2025 through an improvement in Pakistan’s score under the World Bank’s Knowledge Economy index by 82 percent;

• Increase annual exports from $25 billion to $150 billion in 2025.

Pakistan’s Annual Exports and Imports :

2005-06 Exports US$ 16.572 Million - Imports US$ 24.894 Million

2013-14 Exports US$ 25.162 Million – Imports US$ 41.689 Million

Increase in Exports in Eight Years 2005-2006 to 2013-2014 : 1.52 Times

Planned Increase in 12 Years from 2013-2014 : Six Times.

IMO – At best the land of the Pure and the Home of the Terrorists may increase its Annual Exports to US$ 75 try hard US$ 100 Billion by 2025.

Cheers

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Aug 2014 22:32

Peregrine wrote:Vision or illusion?

Out of 25 ‘goals’ contained in the seven ‘pillars’, the following are the important ones:
2013-14 Exports US$ 25.162 Million – Imports US$ 41.689 MillionIncrease in Exports in Eight Years 2005-2006 to 2013-2014 : 1.52 Times.Planned Increase in 12 Years from 2013-2014 : Six Times.
IMO – At best the land of the Pure and the Home of the Terrorists may increase its Annual Exports to US$ 75 try hard US$ 100 Billion by 2025.

Hard work is required To increase export. Kaun & Kitne Paki Harami are used to jard work?
Basically Paki Fourfathers now pay close to 15 Billion a year to sustain them. Increasing the cost to them in current economic crisis will do good to their health. Paki will need 200 Billion $ in aid by 2025 , lets see who love them this much?