
Garuds in action..!!!
MP-5/10s were manufactured for USJSOC units for a while chambered to 10mm ammo. These guns eventually transitioned tot he .45 UMPCant ARDE develop new ammo for the MP-5 to penetrate BPJs and the like? Would be a waste to ditch the proven MP-5 just because of its ammo.
IMO Cobra maybe less effective than previously imagined. Other than posting pics of fancy gear on FB their ops have met with limited levels of success. Somebody on another fora stated that his mates in COBRA are not allowed to their their TAVORs, etc out of camp because the higher ups are scared the expensive gear will get damaged. dont know how true that is ofcourse.@karan ji although informative , the thread have been hijacked !
after ITBP may be NSG will complain of fighting naxals. COBRA too have the mandate of hostage rescue . why NSG ? NSG is elite and it should not be diluted.
Sirji its a wish..Because if its not and the NSG is duplicating what CoBRA should be doing then we have wasted a bucket load of money and men on CoBRA.^^ is that last line a wish or a statement of chaiwalla fact.
The SAS can commandeer a BA flight as and when they choose incase of any emergency and with minimal warning. Its high time we instituted such a relationship with Indian Airlines (Public/pvt)....with namo in charge, its high time and muscular indic SOCOM be funded with tri-services rotating command and staffed and equipped appropriately. some the shiny new chinooks and LCHs can be given, as also priority claims of C130J as needed. perhaps one base in Vizag, one in Chakrata, one in Mizoram and one in Karwar-Belgaum for peacetime training.
I meantrkhanna wrote:MP-5/10s were manufactured for USJSOC units for a while chambered to 10mm ammo. These guns eventually transitioned tot he .45 UMPCant ARDE develop new ammo for the MP-5 to penetrate BPJs and the like? Would be a waste to ditch the proven MP-5 just because of its ammo.
(SOCCOM has moved even their side arms to .45 calibre)
Delhi IGI Airport nowadays have 2 x IL-76 permanently parked in the ARC area. Not to mention that there is DET from NSG also at the airport for quick response.Singha wrote:>> Its high time we instituted such a relationship with Indian Airlines (Public/pvt)....
this has been done post the mumbai episode for all our airlines not just IA. no more need to wait for a IL76 or C130.
Its always been the case thanks to the great GOI and INC which ran this country. Doctors I know used their salary as Govt doctor to buy medicines for poor patients since the Govt compounder, was always short of medicines.deejay wrote:^^^ For some people like the UPA II team, everything was politics and personal gain. Had it not been for the man on the street our nation would have collapsed. Here's a big cheers to people like above who constantly donate 30% of their salaries in keeping us safe.
Votebank politics and the misguided "benevolence" of the Gandhi/Nehru-Gandhi group towards minority extremism is what led us to this path.An unsaid story above was the strange role of Bihar Govt and the Bihar DGP after Bhatkal's arrest. It absolutely defies logic and reason. So desperate were these people to please vote banks.
And then we cringe in recognising and rewarding them? Which member on that team had not risked their entire career on that Ops? Which member did not risk jail terms in Nepal? And how many were recognised? Will it be corrected now?
+100Karan M wrote:Votebank politics and the misguided "benevolence" of the Gandhi/Nehru-Gandhi group towards minority extremism is what led us to this path.
Karan - the way I see it, slowly but surely, the dirt about UPA and MMS and SG are coming out in public.Karan M wrote:Truly an ack thoo on MMS and the entire INC gang
http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... less-india <SNIP>
I do remember reading here about an injured NSG guy who said that they have been involved in over 100 operations in J&K. Can't seem to find it though.rajatmisra wrote:There has been a lot of discussions on not using NSG, Garud for regular CT activities. My question is that a situation like say Mumbai hostage happens rarely (thankfully). How do we keep teams like NSG ready? Training is one part, but nothing like live action. Could they be inducted in Kashmir for short periods, say 6 months, before being sent back to their parent establishments?
I am guessing these chaps are from MARCOS.On the night of September 12, responding to an SOS, a team of five Army personnel led by an officer launched a relief operation at Srinagar’s Lal Chowk, a separatist stronghold. Carrying out rescue work in the area needed recce and more importantly concealment of identity.
Dressed in civvies, the team began its operation at 2 am and worked till late in the evening on September 13. During the day-long exercise, the personnel witnessed firing at Army boats trying to ferry out stranded people to dry areas, and raised slogans of “Azad Kashmir” to maintain their cover even as they laughed at the rumours that Pakistan had sent 80 helicopters to help rescue operations.
“On the night of September 12, we received an SOS for two people. By 2 am, we were on our way. Knowing that it is a notorious area, we decided to conceal our identities. Dressed in civvies, we went in a Sumo vehicle. After crossing Gupkar, we realised that the vehicle could not go further. We did not have life jackets… and decided to swim… we waded through 800 metres,” said an Armyman involved in the operation.
At one point, the group found an abandoned wooden boat with no oars. Rowing the boat with their hands, the group reached Exchange Road adjacent to Lal Chowk at around 5 am. “There were four women and they did not have food or water. We had to ask our operation commander to send air support. We needed to be stationed at a height to receive the air support, and thus got on to one Dena Bank building,” the official said.
Considering the difficulty that the incoming helicopters might have in locating the team from amongst several others atop the houses, the group told their commander that they would “remove their shirts and stand in two groups — a few feet from each other — waving black clothes”.
“We sent the supplies, including some specific medicines. And with the peculiar arrangement that our men created on the top of the building, the helicopter located them easily,” said the operation commander. One of the flood-victims provided relief was an 84-year-old Kashmiri Pandit woman who was being looked after by a Muslim family.
After distributing the air-dropped aid, the group started rowing the wooden boat to return to its base. “At this time, two Army boats on routine rescue mission entered from south and were fired upon. We told the boats to retract and disengage. To row away from the scene, we navigated to a muhalla. Three Hurriyat men got onto our boat… they told us that Pakistan had sent a help of 80 rescue helicopters, which India denied.We went to a mosque. I told the maulavi to pray that the water recedes soon and peace prevails.The maulavi said that the tragedy has brought people of Kashmir together and prayed for Azad Kashmir… to remain under cover, we too shouted for Azad Kashmir.We all laughed at this later… (but) at that time, we were one amongst them,” said a member of the Army team.
Nice psyops to broadcast this. Now they won't know if they can trust whoever is shouting for "Azad kashmir"SagarAg wrote:Read in full.
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/shouted-for-azad-kashmir-and-laughed-at-it-later/I am guessing these chaps are from MARCOS.The maulavi said that the tragedy has brought people of Kashmir together and prayed for Azad Kashmir… to remain under cover, we too shouted for Azad Kashmir.We all laughed at this later… (but) at that time, we were one amongst them,” said a member of the Army team.
"Kashmiries should roll their Kashmiriat and shove it up each others ass****"
svinayak wrote:All of India should shout Azad Kashmir. Then make it India Kashmir! That will be a great goal
A question. In India what constitutes Tier I? We know how the Americans/Brits define it. How do we - Is it Training / tasking ? Do we even have a concept of Tier I as mostly i just see specialized commando units. From little i know and few people i have spoken to SG maybe the only real "Tier I" we have.But its often said of Tier 1 SF's that getting IN is the easiest part.
I agree with you , though in India AFAIK we have no system of Tiers.SG maybe the only real "Tier I" we have.