Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

partha · Post by **partha** » 12 Sep 2014 04:43

Chatteratti is muttering that there will be another attempt at getting rid of badmash. Curiously, the rumor started today after FIA declared Mush responsible for emergency

Anujanji, what's your reading of the chatteratti?

Ramu · Post by **Ramu** » 12 Sep 2014 06:14

Army used to have both civilian and jihadi groups under tight leash.
This failed coup has exposed army's vulnerability for the first time.
It is still the top dog but the other two entities are fast catching up.
The only leverage that army still has is its ability to pull sunroof lever
Accident or motorbike shoot outs or vacuum bulb blasts at will.
I wish for the day when everyone is equal-equal and share their love
and affection to each other. That day we should have our border sealed
and look the other way.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 12 Sep 2014 06:41

Ramu wrote:Army used to have both civilian and jihadi groups under tight leash.
This failed coup has exposed army's vulnerability for the first time.
It is still the top dog but the other two entities are fast catching up.
The only leverage that army still has is its ability to pull sunroof lever
Accident or motorbike shoot outs or vacuum bulb blasts at will.
I wish for the day when everyone is equal-equal and share their love
and affection to each other. That day we should have our border sealed
and look the other way.

That's why Hameed "Bund" is so depressed.
Listen to last few minutes.
http://t.co/1gW4RG6Xea

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 12 Sep 2014 07:57

http://www.dawn.com/news/1131440/opposi ... nd-impasse

Opposition jirga presents ‘workable solution’ to end impasse (actual title)

So they are not calling it a committee now. They are calling it a jirga in Pakistan

partha · Post by **partha** » 12 Sep 2014 08:02

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... chi-attack

PESHAWAR: Al-Qaeda´s new South Asia branch Thursday claimed responsibility for a weekend raid on a Karachi naval yard that left a sailor and three attackers dead, saying former military officers had helped in the attack.

You are not considered a serious terror org if you don't have a branch in Pakistan

It claimed that the target of the raid was a “US supply ship” and said the dead attackers included former Pakistan navy officers. It was not immediately possible to confirm whether a US ship was present at the port.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 12 Sep 2014 08:15

ramana wrote:So after the failed coup by non-state actors backed by non-state military, what are the ramifications? Where is the blowback? What do the chatteratti mutter?

Ramana: I have heard a variety of opinions.

1. Nawaz runs his party as a fiefdom, appointing his family members to everything so he deserved this!! (as though army conducting a coup is a loss to Nawaz and not to the country!! It reminds me of a crude saying in tamil which translated goes as "fellow got angry with the lake and so didnt wash his musharraf"). Nawaz hasnt shown any signs of changing. Still doesnt attend parliament, still runs the party as a one man show

2. There is consensus among the elites that rigging didnt happen. Imran Khan is talking through his musharraf. Most of TuQ supporters are poor unwashed abduls so the elites dont really identify with TuQ. The elites also think that Musharraf (the general) trial is what sparked off this round of tensions. Mushy has indicated that crore kammandus and their chelas (who are now serving, includes also Ashphuck) actually were complicit in the declaration of emergency. Those fellows are real pissed that Mushy is being dragged through court. I actually think that the crisis was touched off by the army realizing that the civvies are gaining an upper hand: Democratic transition of power might become a norm. The more it happens, the more entrenched the political parties become (for example, in India, both Congress and BJP have their supporters, detractors in media, business etc etc. The important thing to note is that there is no constituency supporting the Army against civilians in India. If elections are held regularly, this will become the story in Pakiland as well. Politics is a game of patronage. If you are out of power for a long time, you lose support because those people have lost patronage). Secondly the judiciary and the civvies are tasting blood by prosecuting a retd jernail and eroding the power and prestige of the army. The narrative that "Army is angry with Nawaz because he delayed action against the taliban" is pure hogwash. Army had a free run of policy making during Zardari's time and there was intense pressure from US to act. They could have in fact negotiated a substantial package before taking action, they didnt. So somehow Nawaz stopped army from acting against the taliban is quite a nonsense. There also seems to be some tension between bad sharif (the jernail) and Kayani. Kayani apparently wanted to settle in Australia and was blocked by bad Sharif. On top of that bad Sharif got Athar Abbas (the spokesman of ISPR during Kayani's tenure) to give out interviews that Kayani was indecisive and waffling. This flew under the radar but is quite remarkable that a retd major gen, that too an army spokesman spoke out against a retd COAS while revealing details about internal deliberations!! http://tribune.com.pk/story/729499/kaya ... har-abbas/

This could not have happened without a wink and a nod from serving crore kammandus and bad sharif himself. It would not have gone down well with the crore kammandus who owe their promotion to Ashphuck. So there seems to be a good army/bad army split as well. The murmurings that this coup was initiated by Pasha/Kayani and their chamchas without bad Sharif's support might have some truth to it.

3. Whether the army will become 'more powerful' or 'less powerful' is anyone's guess. They always controlled the bomb, the foreign policy, relations with US, afghan and Indian policy. In fact Birkin babe used to brief Ashphuck before she briefed Zardari after her India and US jaunts! That arrangement could not have changed much suddenly. They are certainly not becoming less powerful. They never were. They will continue to do what they have always done.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 12 Sep 2014 09:12

Anujan wrote:1. Nawaz runs his party as a fiefdom, appointing his family members to everything so he deserved this!! (as though army conducting a coup is a loss to Nawaz and not to the country!! It reminds me of a crude saying in tamil which translated goes as "fellow got angry with the lake and so didnt wash his musharraf").

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 12 Sep 2014 10:05

Get a load of this!! Remember abduls attacked PTV? apparently a few were PTV employees

So even PTV employees are not disciplined and secular

partha · Post by **partha** » 12 Sep 2014 10:12

Praveen Swami:

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/ ... -men-ours/

First claim by al-Qaeda subcontinent wing: Pakistan Navy men ours

The newly-formed Indian subcontinent division of transnational terror group al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility for Saturday night’s attack on a Naval dockyard in Karachi — the organisation’s first strike since its existence was made public last month. The attackers, the statement said, were former Pakistan Navy officers-turned-jihadists who were attempting to hijack a missile frigate to stage an attack on a United States aircraft carrier.

“They had taken over control of the ship and were proceeding to attack the American carrier when they were intercepted by the Pakistan military,” the statement says. “These men thus became martyrs. The Pakistani military men who died defending enemies of the Muslim nation, on the other hand, are cursed with hell”.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 12 Sep 2014 10:14

^^^^

One step away from nuclear weapons onlee!

partha · Post by **partha** » 12 Sep 2014 10:27

Floods: RAPEs have become climate change activists overnight

member_28640 · Post by **member_28640** » 12 Sep 2014 13:00

I thought this was cancelled.Looks like Bakistan is not going to crying about Trade loss then, hain?
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Del ... 403729.ece

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Sep 2014 14:36

partha wrote:“They had taken over control of the ship and were proceeding to attack the American carrier when they were intercepted by the Pakistan military,”

Though there could be the usual exaggeration by the AQ (a Pakistani characteristic indeed), it is still a serious matter and a real possibility. This also explains the lid that put on this incident for a few days before matters began leaking out. Even now, we are only having a trickle of info unlike any of the earlier attacks. The late Syed Saleem Shehzad linked serving PN officers with AQ for the PNS Mehran attack. Apparently, some naval officers had been arrested for AQ links as part of a crackdown on PN's links with AQ and the AQ demanded their release. As the talks failed, the attacks took place. The rumour was that the arrested PN officers & sailors were plotting to attack the Americans. The disquieting thing was not only the sizeable penetration into the PN by the AQ but also the fact that the Admirals were talking directly to the AQ for a compromise! Surprisingly, the linkage between the PN and the Islamists goes a long way back. During Ayub's last days, a clutch of naval officers wanted Mawdoodi to take control of Pakistan and plotted to capture Ayub Khan (along with the Afghan King when the two were fishing off Karachi). The thing to note is that the Punjabis dominate the PN even more than they dominate the PA. Former CNS of the PN, Adm. Karamat Rehman Niazi plays a leading part in Tableegi Jamaat at Raiwind.

However, once again the Talibs are found wanting in execution. The loss of veterans like Ustad-e-Fidayeen, Qari Husseein Mehsud et al is telling perhaps.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 12 Sep 2014 14:50

Exhausted and frustrated, Pakistani protesters want to go home

Means color revolutions need money than ideology. Ideology can be manufactured, but money only comes from well funded interest groups (who were they, were they Araps or Americans).

"I come in the morning and submit my CNIC (Computerised National Identity Card) to Qadri's people who then give us our daily wages of 300-400 rupees ($3-$4). We then sit around here all day," said Niaz Ahmed, a daily wage labourer.
...........
At least three women protesters, all of them domestic workers, said they had been paid to come to the rallies when they were first launched. One of them, with three children under the age of six, said mothers were paid 2,500 rupees ($25) more.

"You got paid more if you have a child," said Rukhsana Bibi, one of the women. "They wanted more women with children to join the rallies so the pay for that was higher.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 12 Sep 2014 15:30

SS, what is that is said, try and try again till you succeed.

AQ will keep on trying till one day it managed to get the job done.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 12 Sep 2014 16:16

SSridhar wrote:
partha wrote:“They had taken over control of the ship and were proceeding to attack the American carrier when they were intercepted by the Pakistan military,”
Though there could be the usual exaggeration by the AQ (a Pakistani characteristic indeed), it is still a serious matter and a real possibility. This also explains the lid that put on this incident for a few days before matters began leaking out. Even now, we are only having a trickle of info unlike any of the earlier attacks. The late Syed Saleem Shehzad linked serving PN officers with AQ for the PNS Mehran attack. Apparently, some naval officers had been arrested for AQ links as part of a crackdown on PN's links with AQ and the AQ demanded their release. As the talks failed, the attacks took place. The rumour was that the arrested PN officers & sailors were plotting to attack the Americans. The disquieting thing was not only the sizeable penetration into the PN by the AQ but also the fact that the Admirals were talking directly to the AQ for a compromise! Surprisingly, the linkage between the PN and the Islamists goes a long way back. During Ayub's last days, a clutch of naval officers wanted Mawdoodi to take control of Pakistan and plotted to capture Ayub Khan (along with the Afghan King when the two were fishing off Karachi). The thing to note is that the Punjabis dominate the PN even more than they dominate the PA. Former CNS of the PN, Adm. Karamat Rehman Niazi plays a leading part in Tableegi Jamaat at Raiwind.

However, once again the Talibs are found wanting in execution. The loss of veterans like Ustad-e-Fidayeen, Qari Husseein Mehsud et al is telling perhaps.

SS Anna, Now you know why Pakis are getting PC3 and submarines from USA. This is to fight the future naval war with TTP which would include PN sailors from both sides.

On a serious note, I think most of the missions that fail are like startup projects by TTP themselves without inputs by ISI. Unlike the missions where the taswk to storm in, lob few grenades and then eventually explode suicide vest. TTP depends upon ISI help to pull off such missions which require know how and intelligence otherwise they too can just capture couple of tankers like Somalians do and ram into a Frigate or Kilo class ship. The ISI elements can be rogue or still on Govt payroll or retd like Hamid Gul. But make no mistake about it, in few years from now, TTP would be able to get such projects up and running leaving lot of Brown paints in white uniformed Pak Navy.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 12 Sep 2014 18:12

Pakistan Floods: Cabinet decides against appeal for foreign aid

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif chaired the federal cabinet meeting here on Friday during which it was decided that an appeal for foreign aid would not be made in light of the recent floods in the country.

Flood relief committees to maintain contact with affectees comprising provincial and National Assembly members were formed by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. The decision to set up a contact mechanism on the district, provincial and national level was also taken during the meeting.

The prime minister directed that the National Disaster Management Plan be presented during the cabinet meeting on September 19.

Briefing the meeting, NDMA chairman said 10 districts have been several impacted from the floods with Jhang, Chiniot and Hafizabad the worst affected. He further said 274 people had been killed, 1.1 million affected, 45,000 homes damaged and 3,000 villages impacted.

The federal cabinet praised the role of the army, police, district administration and rescue services in relief operations.

The prime minister directed that rehabilitation and reconstruction should be completed in weeks not months and should start immediately after evaluation.

Cheers

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 12 Sep 2014 18:42

Pakistani Media on Raising India & Modi !

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 12 Sep 2014 18:43

Sometimes I wonder after 3 or 4 years of Modi, will Pakis start demanding better investment and growth like ours?

Harish · Post by **Harish** » 12 Sep 2014 20:22

Peregrine wrote:Pakistan Floods: Cabinet decides against appeal for foreign aid

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif chaired the federal cabinet meeting here on Friday during which it was decided that an appeal for foreign aid would not be made in light of the recent floods in the country.

Flood relief committees to maintain contact with affectees comprising provincial and National Assembly members were formed by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. The decision to set up a contact mechanism on the district, provincial and national level was also taken during the meeting.

The prime minister directed that the National Disaster Management Plan be presented during the cabinet meeting on September 19.

Briefing the meeting, NDMA chairman said 10 districts have been several impacted from the floods with Jhang, Chiniot and Hafizabad the worst affected. He further said 274 people had been killed, 1.1 million affected, 45,000 homes damaged and 3,000 villages impacted.

The federal cabinet praised the role of the army, police, district administration and rescue services in relief operations.

The prime minister directed that rehabilitation and reconstruction should be completed in weeks not months and should start immediately after evaluation.

Cheers

What does Badmash think - he is a Bakistani Modi or something?

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 12 Sep 2014 20:47

vivek.rao wrote:Pakistani Media on Raising India & Modi !

One thing is always notable in such videos, speakers say "Apke Bakistan me" means your BakistaN. They never say our Bakistan

They disown their country.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 12 Sep 2014 21:58

The timeless fatalism of the Subcontinent

Without the Indus and the two rivers that remain to us, the Jhelum and the Chenab, what would become of our land? Field Marshal Ayub Khan did not sell off the Ravi and the Sutlej. Under the prevailing circumstances – circumstances that remain valid even today – the Indus Basin Waters Treaty was the best arrangement for sharing the waters of the five rivers. And despite so much else happening between India and Pakistan this treaty has held over the years.

The Pakistani mind should wake up to some basic facts. India is not stealing our waters. India is not trying to destroy us, or wreck our agriculture, through manipulating the Jhelum and the Chenab. It is only managing its share of the waters far better than us. Why aren’t we building the dams that India is building on these rivers?

Under the terms of the Indus treaty we could have pre-empted much of what India is doing, or has already done. But we were into other things, like liberating Kashmir by force and establishing influence in Afghanistan. On the question of the waters India stole a march on us…and the situation now, with the building of more dams on the other side, is working to our disadvantage.

Cheers

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 12 Sep 2014 22:04

vivek.rao wrote:Sometimes I wonder after 3 or 4 years of Modi, will Pakis start demanding better investment and growth like ours?

We should build mile high border fence ASAP to keep out inbred diseased Pakistanis who think that fourfather's khujboo is == sleeping elephant. Jihadi army just made a soft coo on khujboo-e-badmash so where is scope of democracy? More like martial blood TFTA army commandu fantasizing copying NaMo and making rageboy aman ka tamasha instead.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 12 Sep 2014 22:11

Apologies if posted earlier, from titar:

British MP @BobBlackmanMP hammers #Pakistan in the UK Parliament during the House of Commons debate on #Kashmir.
[youtube]4j06KOtXMOM&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

partha · Post by **partha** » 12 Sep 2014 22:48

Tribune:

“Musharraf’s dictatorship was better than Nawaz Sharif’s democracy,” says Imran Khan.

partha · Post by **partha** » 12 Sep 2014 23:08

vivek.rao wrote:Sometimes I wonder after 3 or 4 years of Modi, will Pakis start demanding better investment and growth like ours?

No. They will cry about economic imbalance because of India's rapid growth leading to income inequality in South Asia forcing poor Pakistanis to become extremists.

partha · Post by **partha** » 13 Sep 2014 01:57

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/09/1 ... mic-state/

Four Terror Threats More Grave Than Islamic State

2. Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT)

3. Pakistani Taliban (TTP)

Pakistani MNCs feared globally.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 13 Sep 2014 02:33

venug wrote:Apologies if posted earlier, from titar:

British MP @BobBlackmanMP hammers #Pakistan in the UK Parliament during the House of Commons debate on #Kashmir.

That is no cause for celebration. Kashmir is NOT an issue, not even a bilateral one between India and Bakistan. In such a case, when a Brishit MP blasts Bakshitstan he is claiming Brishit stake in Cashmere and if we "thank him" for it, we are giving him more power and legitimacy to stick is nose into our affairs again at some future time.

From that point of view, its not a good news.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 13 Sep 2014 03:27

LokeshC, we don't have to take it as having any official implications. However, Pakistan clearly predicates its claims on Kashmir, and more importantly, its stirring trouble there by various means, on having the 3.5 friends backing it. So for an UK parliament debate to make it clear to them that there is no such backing is, IMHO, important in the bigger scheme of things.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 13 Sep 2014 03:59

I agree with you on the implications to Bakistan. I am saying there should not be any comment from the Indian side on it, other than denouncing the whole exercise (which is the official stance).

Any comment thanking this person would end up coming back to bite us in the a$$.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 13 Sep 2014 04:09

Agreed.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 13 Sep 2014 04:26

Just as Pakistan succeeds if it survives to see another day, Not being dead is a victory for Balochistan's journalists.

To say that Pakistani journalists are under attack is an understatement. They are lucky if not assailed or killed.

Pakistan’s treatment of journalists is shoddy at best. With the outsourcing of geographical control to militant networks, several journalists have been attacked in Pakistan’s conflict areas, with Balochistan topping the list.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 13 Sep 2014 04:40

Pakistan's Looming Demographic Crisis

According to the Population Council, a non-governmental organization based in New York, Pakistan’s population is projected to reach 302 million by 2050. Pakistan’s current population is around 200 million people while in 1947, the year it gained independence, Pakistan had only 33 million people.

The future economic and political consequences of this population growth are dire, especially since Pakistan has not experienced the type of economic growth or industrialization necessary to employ millions of young people.

Like many South Asian states, Pakistan’s state institutions are relatively weak, a problem compounded by the fact that it inherited little of British India’s institutions.

Unfortunately, Pakistan’s attitudes towards India often obscure the problem in Pakistan. On one hand, there is some belief that Pakistan can only challenge India with a large population; therefore, it is not in Pakistan’s interest to limit population growth.

Evil Hindus who did not share the brishit institutions with the more deserving pakis will now have to bear the consequence of explosive paki population growth.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Sep 2014 07:25

anupmisra wrote:Pakistan's Looming Demographic Crisis
According to the Population Council, a non-governmental organization based in New York, Pakistan’s population is projected to reach 302 million by 2050. Pakistan’s current population is around 200 million people while in 1947, the year it gained independence, Pakistan had only 33 million people.
The future economic and political consequences of this population growth are dire, especially since Pakistan has not experienced the type of economic growth or industrialization necessary to employ millions of young people.
Like many South Asian states, Pakistan’s state institutions are relatively weak, a problem compounded by the fact that it inherited little of British India’s institutions.
Unfortunately, Pakistan’s attitudes towards India often obscure the problem in Pakistan. On one hand, there is some belief that Pakistan can only challenge India with a large population; therefore, it is not in Pakistan’s interest to limit population growth.
Evil Hindus who did not share the brishit institutions with the more deserving pakis will now have to bear the consequence of explosive paki population growth.

First Bakistan Have no population problem but Bopulation Broblem. They are 193 Million now and will at least double in in next 20 Year. Shed no tear for Baokotomousstan for they have Islam and need more of it.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Sep 2014 08:12

Remember the news that some of the people who attacked the Navy dockyard were navy personnel? It was a lie!! Not some, but all attackers were navy personnel

http://www.dawn.com/news/1131654/dockya ... vy-frigate

According to informed sources, the attack was carried out entirely by serving Navy personnel, along with Owais Jakharani, a former Navy cadet who could have been given access inside without too much trouble.

“The group of would-be hijackers, led by a senior officer, was even saluted by the guard at the bottom of the gangway, before another became suspicious of their intentions and alerted other personnel.”

atma · Post by **atma** » 13 Sep 2014 08:15

Why India and Pakistan Are Always Fighting -- Explained
Funny satire, on huffpost

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seriously ... 05482.html

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 13 Sep 2014 08:17

Bakistan is moving all of the navy -- air, ship, and submarine arms --- out of karachi at a very very fast rate. Half is already gone to two other pirts. Rest within the year or so. All that will be left is the shipyards, and ability to use as a third port in case of war. Even P3 types will operatte away frrom karachi.

partha · Post by **partha** » 13 Sep 2014 08:36

Anujan wrote:Remember the news that some of the people who attacked the Navy dockyard were navy personnel? It was a lie!! Not some, but all attackers were navy personnel

http://www.dawn.com/news/1131654/dockya ... vy-frigate

According to informed sources, the attack was carried out entirely by serving Navy personnel, along with Owais Jakharani, a former Navy cadet who could have been given access inside without too much trouble.

“The group of would-be hijackers, led by a senior officer, was even saluted by the guard at the bottom of the gangway, before another became suspicious of their intentions and alerted other personnel.”

Came here to post this. You beat me to it.

Dawn has been given information that the weapons had already been smuggled into the dockyard and had been stored in lockers by the rogue personnel.

Were they also pensioners?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 13 Sep 2014 09:14

Shreeman wrote:Bakistan is moving all of the navy -- air, ship, and submarine arms --- out of karachi at a very very fast rate. Half is already gone to two other pirts. Rest within the year or so. All that will be left is the shipyards, and ability to use as a third port in case of war. Even P3 types will operatte away frrom karachi.

Will they also recruit brand new swimmers?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 13 Sep 2014 09:29

Anujan wrote:Remember the news that some of the people who attacked the Navy dockyard were navy personnel? It was a lie!! Not some, but all attackers were navy personnel

http://www.dawn.com/news/1131654/dockya ... vy-frigate

According to informed sources, the attack was carried out entirely by serving Navy personnel, along with Owais Jakharani, a former Navy cadet who could have been given access inside without too much trouble.

“The group of would-be hijackers, led by a senior officer, was even saluted by the guard at the bottom of the gangway, before another became suspicious of their intentions and alerted other personnel.”

This just makes it more likely that if Pacquistanis attack with nukes it will be inside Pacquistan first.