This is an old pic of Agni I missile from 2012. Have they released any official pic of the latest launch? If not, then Agni I was definitely giving customarily official proxy for another missile test IMHOhecky wrote:
Agni-1 launched by SFC today
via @Anantha Krishnan
The country’s top military scientist has said India’s infrastructure deficit in the defence sector is coming in the way of indigenisation, at a time China is investing billions in building capacities.
Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) chief Avinash Chander said India needed to take immediate steps to close the technology gap with China and to sharpen the country’s military edge in the long run.
“China has invested heavily in infrastructure and R&D. It outspends India’s R&D expenditure (more than Rs. 15,200 crore) by almost 15 times. There is a huge gap,” he told HT.
India has only one missile testing range, compared to China’s seven. It also lags behind when it comes to facilities and platforms for testing top-end hardware. It has a solitary wind tunnel facility to test aircraft and engine components.
Chander said, “We need at least three wind tunnels. We also need a fighter plane such as the MiG-29 as a flying test best. Availability of test platforms is a serious problem.” He said the evaluation of advanced light towed array sonars (ALTAS) — for detecting and tracking enemy submarines — was stuck for want of a test ship.
He acknowledged China had moved up the value chain in high-tech defence hardware — it has tested an anti-satellite weapon, is working on a stealth fighter project and is ready to deploy an advanced submarine-launched ballistic missile.
The DRDO chief said India should look at the Chinese model of creating its own military-industrial complex to boost indigenisation. “More than 4 lakh people work in the Chinese aerospace sector, compared to less than 40,000 in India,” he said.
He said India should have a “composite policy” to link big-ticket imports to inflow of cutting-edge technology. “China pursues such a policy vigourously. If Beijing were to import 126 fighters (referring to India’s almost-done fighter deal), it would have ensured that engines were produced in China.”
One of the top priorities for the NDA government is to speed up indigenisation and transform the country from the world’s biggest arms importer into an export powerhouse.
The Strategic Forces Command (SFC) conducted the trial at 11.11am as a part of its periodic training activity to further consolidate operational readiness, Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) sources said.
The trajectory of the trial was tracked by a battery of sophisticated radars, telemetry observation stations, electro-optic instruments and naval ships. "The missile covered 650km in nine minutes and met all parameters. It was a Mark-02 version of the missile," said a scientist of the Integrated Test Range (ITR). ITR director MVKV Prasad, additional director Binay Kumar Das and senior scientists were present.
and it went on to say, "the missile achieved a CEP (circular error probability) of about 50 metres".aditya_dange wrote: . . .2. the hindu article: ... missile carrying a total payload mass of 1100 kg zeroed in....
The Mk-II version probably refers to the MaRV vehicle that was supposed to have been tested in the previous launch, Feb. 2014hecky wrote: . . . It was a Mark-02 version of the missile," said a scientist of the Integrated Test Range (ITR).
nash wrote:I think with the CEP of 2 figures, it can be use in conventional role.
Satheesh Reddy: On the RF seeker front, we have quite a few developments taking place. We have developed a millimeter wave (MMW) seeker that is being produced by private industry. This MMW seeker is capable of both lock-on-after-launch(LOAL) and lock-on-before-launch(LOBL) configurations.
Satheesh Reddy: (MMW Seeker) It is meant for PGMs and for the next generation anti-radiation missile (NGARM).
Satheesh Reddy: Like the lightweight PGM under development here in RCI at the moment. This PGM has already been test-fired from an unmanned aerial vehicle and a sizeable number can also be carried by a missile like the Prithvi or by an aircraft like the Su-30 MKI. The Prithvi configuration can be used for attacking runways for example.
Continuing on the RF seeker front, RCI is also developing a Ku-band seeker for anti-aircraft applications. This is a scaled down version of an existing active radar seeker developed by us and is a requirement for the Astra. System qualification is expected to commenceearly next year.
An X-band seeker for anti-ship applications is also being pursued very seriously and trials will be held in the first quarter of 2015.
SauravJha: Turning to IIR seekers, Dr Reddy what is the status of the new seeker for the Nag? Will it satisfy the Army's requirement of achieving target acquisition at a range of 4 km even in the most trying desert conditions?
Satheesh Reddy: That seeker is headed for trials this year. It can actually be used out to 6-7 kms in better conditions. (This means HeliNa's effective range can be ~10km from current 7km)
For Pictures and more: Seeking the future: An interview with Dr G Satheesh Reddy, Director Research Centre ImaratSauravJha: And has work begun on a two colour seeker?
Satheesh Reddy: Design work is under way. We expect it to head for developmental trials in 2016.
hecky wrote: Satheesh Reddy: That seeker is headed for trials this year. It can actually be used out to 6-7 kms in better conditions. (This means HeliNa's effective range can be ~10km from current 7km)
SauravJha: And has work begun on a two colour seeker?
Satheesh Reddy: Design work is under way. We expect it to head for developmental trials in 2016.
I was expecting better CEP - 10 mtrs with- SFC launch
- 1.1 T payload
- CEP 50 mtrs
- 550 sec flight
- night trial
for conventional weapons (if at all). the message to nuke walas will be too much though. we can target the chartered petal epicenter.sophisticated radars, telemetry observation stations, electro-optic instruments .
SFC personnel test-fires Agni-Iramana wrote:SaiK, Where is the Chindu link? Can you please post it for my knowledge?
If its 50m at 650 km range its piss poor CEP.
The missile carrying a 1,100-kg payload zeroed in on the target with a high degree of accuracy, a missile scientist with the Defence Research and Development Organisation said. Describing it as a fantastic launch, he said the missile achieved a CEP (circular error probability) of about 50 metres. Its trajectory was tracked and monitored by sophisticated radars, telemetry observation stations, electro-optic instruments and naval ships through the 550-second flight.
This lightweight PGM with MMW seeker is desi Brimstone equivalent.Satheesh Reddy: Like the lightweight PGM under development here in RCI at the moment. This PGM has already been test-fired from an unmanned aerial vehicle and a sizeable number can also be carried by a missile like the Prithvi or by an aircraft like the Su-30 MKI. The Prithvi configuration can be used for attacking runways for example.
Neela, what you state was the exact issue with the earlier seeker. Its been resolved now with a better detector array & design improvements to the earlier Nag seeker. This two color seeker is a new beast apart from the ones above! Probably the IIR one for the PDV HK vehicle.Neela wrote:hecky wrote: Satheesh Reddy: That seeker is headed for trials this year. It can actually be used out to 6-7 kms in better conditions. (This means HeliNa's effective range can be ~10km from current 7km)SauravJha: And has work begun on a two colour seeker?
Satheesh Reddy: Design work is under way. We expect it to head for developmental trials in 2016.
Not sure if the seeker can be used already. He says" better conditions ". That means operating conditions (Safe Operating Area ) of the seeker in the Rajasthan desert are being violated.
My guess is that they are having poor contrast on the image output from the seeker when ambient temperature is high i.e this is probably because the seeker cannot distinguish objects which have smaller temperature differences or that at higher ambient temperatures, delta-T response is low for the seeker.
Matri sir, Chander headed the Agni program (After RN Agarwal IIRC), in that position, you pretty much become wholly versed with most things required of the missile systems. The other missile men were Prahlada (Akash/Nag), Pillai (Brahmos), Saraswat (Prithvi) and Agarwal (Agni). These folks also mentored many other people who will follow in their path & what lends them an extra "impetus" is the fact the missile program is one of the GOI's better funded programs and also DRDO's most successful.matrimc wrote:KaranM: Please correct me if I am wrong but I thought Dr(?). Avinash Chander is more of an avionics (control, Comm, GPS, Radar) man rather than mech (Aerodynamics, Ballistics, Materials, NVS).
What I am asking for is to double down on success. Do more. The fact that DRDO does not have a test bed for ALTAS and has to wait till resources become available shows how far we have to go in terms of critical infrastructure. One of the key "successes" of the missile program was that in that place, they slowly and steadily built up the infra to accomodate their subsystem tests. On the other hand, we are still limited by limited # of test ranges and infra, plus funding monitored by beancounters at CAG and CGDA who have no clue of R&D requirements and how much effort it requires to set up infra across multiple orgs.hecky wrote:^ I thought Sonar tech was going good with HUMSA-NG and advanced light towed array sonar (ALTAS) undergoing tech trials.
That is exactly the point. One of the things f.e. DRDO did when they worked on AESA radar tech was develop TR modules of different power ratings. Now they have the building blocks to churn out a variety of radars based on the same overall architecture but different capabilities. If you have the subsystems, your design capability rises exponentially.NRao wrote:The msg here, seems to be, that they have built (lego) blocks. Now, as and when they want, they can build whatever they want (pretty much).
Sir, he is one of many folks like him with breakthroughs to their names on different aspects. The Kaveri is a different case altogether, program management, funding & experience all have been lacking in a program of that scale. Hopefully, it will be leveraged for the AURA, in which case it will contribute to a game changing system (think of how strike power will be boosted become if IAF say gets a dozen "squadrons" of Strike UAVs )BTW, they should have deputed Dr. Bhat (of Kanchan fame) to help build engines - jet and others!!!
How would this compare to CBU 105s? Assuming that in the above scenario you have (a) massed formation(s).Singha wrote:the Tornado is able to carry 12 Brimstone in 4 triple-racks under its broad flat belly. looks like its fired hot off the rail without a inert release, so the back two pylons are tilted down to clear the front pair of pylons carrying the same which are level.
http://www.markstyling.com/Tornado_JPEGs/cu.04.jpg
http://defense-arab.com/news/wp-content ... mstone.jpg
if our light pgm is this size and gets the kind of triple rack, a su30 could potentially carry around 24 and function as a loitering tank buster using its 9t of fuel for persistence. if 4 such planes unleash 96 pgms over a regimental sized armour attack (300 vehicles), might cause a fair amt of damage and mission kill the attack.
I wonder if the lightweight PGM is a variation of one of these mentioned in DRDO Tech Focus (2012): Armament Technologies.hecky wrote:This lightweight PGM with MMW seeker is desi Brimstone equivalent.Satheesh Reddy: Like the lightweight PGM under development here in RCI at the moment. This PGM has already been test-fired from an unmanned aerial vehicle and a sizeable number can also be carried by a missile like the Prithvi or by an aircraft like the Su-30 MKI. The Prithvi configuration can be used for attacking runways for example.
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Precision Guided Munition Avionics
Precision guided munition (PGMs) are advantageous over conventional counterparts as these provide increased lethality, stand-off capability, decreased exposure to risk, and reduced collateral damage. Two types of PGMs, have been developed viz., (1)Cannon launched guided missile (CLGM) and (2)Precision guidance kit for high speed low drag (HSLD). The technologies of the two products are described below:
Cannon Launched Guided Missile
Cannon launched guided missile has augmented the firepower capability of India’s main battle tank (MBT). CLGM will be able to engage the enemy tanks up to 5 km.
CLGM Avionics
CLGM electronics has four sub-systems─a control actuation block, a guidance block, a gimbal laser seeker, and warhead control unit.
Control Actuation Block
This is the rear most sub-system of the missile, responsible for control actuation mechanism. The fully digital fin actuation electronics has been realised on a single actuation control card.
Guidance Block
Guidance block is a DSP-based, computation and communication intensive platform for implementation of guidance and control algorithm. It consists of the flight control unit (FCU), power supply and regulation unit (PSRU), inertial measurement unit (IMU) and thermal batteries.
Warhead Control Unit
Warhead control unit is responsible to keep warhead of CLGM safe during storage, transportation handling and initial phase of launch and for detonating the warhead at right time and right place when target is sensed. The kill mechanism with CLGM is tandem HEAT warhead.
PG Kit for HSLD Bomb
The aim of PG kit is to convert dumb bomb in to a precision strike weapon which increases range of weapon manifold by aerodynamics manoeuvering. The kit is in the form of tail cone and nose cone and can be fitted easily around the bomb body. The tail cone houses mainly electromechanical fin actuation system, INS-GPS module, and a guidance on-board computer. The nose cone comprises of laser seeker module along with electronics.
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29th January 2013
The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) on Monday conducted the tests of an advanced version of Cannon-launched Laser Guided Missile (CLGM) from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) off the Odisha coast.
Altogether three rounds of the missile were test-fired from a specially built launcher at the launching complex-II of Chandipur based test range. A defence official said the mission was successful as the missile perfectly destroyed the targets as expected.
“The tests were conducted in between 3.30 pm to 4.30 pm during low tide period. There will be one more round of test on Tuesday. All the data have been collected and would be evaluated after the completion of the mission,” he said.
CLGM is a new generation anti-tank missile developed by the Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) at Bangalore. It can destroy any target in 3 km to 5 km range. It is an all terrain missile to be used by the army, navy and air force.
This missile has bigger warhead and little slower than original 105-mm Laser Homing Attack or Laser Homing Anti-Tank (LAHAT) from Israel. It would equip the Arjun MK-2 and MK-1 tanks.
“The CLGM uses a laser of a specific frequency bandwidth to locate the target. The laser creates a heat signature on the target. The missile recognises it and homes in on it even if the target is moving,” said a defence scientist.
The missile can also target other armoured targets and helicopters at extended ranges. The ADE has developed the missile with global positioning system technology.
Interesting work coming from Research Centre Imarat (RCI):hecky wrote:CLGM/SAMHO is a ARDE project.
NAG is by DRDL and this new PGM (with MMW seeker) is being developed by RCI.
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Man Portable version of CLGM/SAMHO
CLGM or SAMHO man-portable version should be in production by now (?)
February 20, 2012
To eventually equip mother missiles with smaller missiles
Imagine a war scenario in which miniaturised missiles equipped with Precision-Guided Munitions (PGMs) are unleashed from a mother missile to take out select enemy targets like an ammunition depot while avoiding collateral damage.
A mother missile acts as a “force multiplier” and to achieve the desired result, each miniaturised missile will have a seeker to ensure its independent motion, irrespective of the mother missile's motion.
Seekers, which are of two types — radio-frequency and infra-red, enable a missile to acquire, track and home in on to the target. They are required for all tactical missiles (less than 300 km range).
Scientists at the Research Centre Imarat (RCI), a key laboratory of Defence Research and Development Organisation's (DRDO) missile complex here, have embarked on developing such seekers to eventually equip mother missiles with smaller missiles packed with PGMs.
The mandate of the RCI is to deliver avionic systems for all missiles, including anti-ballistic systems and anti-aircraft missiles.
In a bid to conduct trials without using the mother missile, a Remotely Piloted Vehicle (RPV) has been imported to be used as a Technology Demonstrator for the project. A flight trial was conducted at the Integrated Test Range using the RPV along with a recoverable tow body by providing the vehicle the same velocity of a mother missile.
Good results were obtained from that exercise, RCI Director S.K. Chaudhuri told The Hindu on Sunday. More such trials would be carried out in stages to check the guidance, control and inertial navigation systems.
By the end of 2013, a crucial trial of the RPV with missile-launched PGMs to hit a target with both IIR (Imaging infrared) and mmW (millimteric Wave) seekers was being planned. Later, a flight test with a mother missile would be conducted, he said.
Another frontier technology area in which scientists have begun work is to design and develop ‘Low Probability of Intercept Radar Seeker' to equip anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles.
This seeker will enable the missile to escape detection and jamming by enemy radars. Currently, Russia and the U.S. have such seekers, a senior RCI scientist said.
A few months ago, a major success was achieved when anti-tank Nag missile was flight-tested with an indigenously-developed mmW seeker.
Cosmo_R wrote:@srai ^^^ : "Why go for expensive Javelins?" I don't know the answer so this is an ask(s):
Is the CLGM (MP) available within the same time frame as the Javelin?
Is the CLGM is the same weapons class as the Javelin?
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CLGM Javelin
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Weight 18.5kg 22.3kg
Length 1025mm 1100mm
Diameter 120mm 127mm
Range 0.5 - 5km 0.75 - 2.5km (max 4.75km)
Not really.If Javelins were to be finally down-selected, there is still quite a ways to go in negotiations on TOT, Offset requirements, end-user usage agreements, license production, etc. It would be a minimum of another 5 years before we see Javelins (if it were to be selected) in the IA service.
Laser designator need not be from the launch team alone, CLGM can be designated by another laser source also. Much like those special forces teams in Afghanistan who would laze the target and F-16 or some other aircraft launches the missile (here we are talking about CLGM however). But yes with the laser warning receivers becoming common place it would put the designator team at risk of counter fire.srin wrote:Unlike Javelin, it has a laser seeker and not a fire-and-forget IIR seeker. So, the infantry team doing the launch will be especially vulnerable because the tank crew is now alerted by laser emitter.