Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 12 Sep 2014 02:54

Anglo-Saxon duplicity as usual

Daily Mail - One is Scottish edition, other is English edition

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 12 Sep 2014 05:30

Alex Salmond smacking the English Broadcasting Corporation (EBC)

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 12 Sep 2014 05:41

So Scotland is disputed territory? English administered Scotland.

Hope Scotties vote yes. Slow news days are killing me. Popcorn is piling up.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 12 Sep 2014 05:50

I hope so saar. Its going to be a real nail biter. No one can predict now. I just hope even if the No camp wins, it is by a razor thin margin where the results get disputed for the next few decades. That will keep the Brishitstainis at each others throat. Good for the world.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Sep 2014 06:32

Does anyone know how Indians inside Scotland are planning to vote? And should we urge Indians inside Scotland to vote for Independence?

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 12 Sep 2014 07:03

Its bad karma to hope for the breakup of multi-ethnic states. We are the largest multi-ethnic state in the world and what goes around comes around.

Now here's an interesting question. If Scots succeed in breaking away, will the next be Northern Ireland. They have half of the population loyal to the UK while the other half wants out. A split of the territory might occur with one side declaring independence.

The slow & steady breakup of multi-ethnic states is an alarming trend.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Sep 2014 07:27

Bris1hitLand is not "multi-ethnic" except for London and Brixton where it is mostly Pakis, hain? It should be called Azad Londonistan because it is Pakistan-Occupied Londonistan. I for one think it is excellent Karma that the center of the British Empire that brought so much devastation and slavery and sorrow to most of Humanity, should find itself fragmented with 3 countries within 200 miles. Wales should also secede. The Welsh Rabbits should part company with the Spotted D1cks.
"The Sun never sets on the Brish!t Empayh". Because there ain't room for it.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 12 Sep 2014 08:07

How do the nukes get divided? How many does scottland get? Shouldnt an unstable country like england not give up its nukes in case they end up in hands of IRA and the like?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Sep 2014 08:18

Shreeman wrote:How do the nukes get divided? How many does scottland get? Shouldnt an unstable country like england not give up its nukes in case they end up in hands of IRA and the like?

See this for independent Scotlans's policy on nukes, Shreeman-ji.

http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/what ... t-scotland

They are completely opposed to nukes, and want all nukes and nuclear missiles removed from Scotland.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 12 Sep 2014 09:06

nageshks wrote:
Shreeman wrote:How do the nukes get divided? How many does scottland get? Shouldnt an unstable country like england not give up its nukes in case they end up in hands of IRA and the like?
See this for independent Scotlans's policy on nukes, Shreeman-ji.

http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/what ... t-scotland

They are completely opposed to nukes, and want all nukes and nuclear missiles removed from Scotland.

Thats a pity. Havent they learnt anything from Eukraine? Giving up their security council seat as well? Next they will need to build a wall like ukraine instead of the british having to build one.

Let a new country be born, it was an artificial union anyway, born out of greed for oil anf suppressing a small minoroty.

The Brits are calling for grocery store owners to come out in favor of no. Apparantly this would scare women into voting no. I do so hope scottish women have some spine left.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 12 Sep 2014 09:51

Neshant wrote:Its bad karma to hope for the breakup of multi-ethnic states. We are the largest multi-ethnic state in the world and what goes around comes around.

The slow & steady breakup of multi-ethnic states is an alarming trend.

Don't be fooled by such simplistic "alarms". A better way to think of it - the "diversity quotient" combined with "resource and security quotient" of a state will determine whether vested interests want to divvy it up or whether the spinoffs of union are greater than those of separation. This is talked about even by the founding fathers of the US in the Publius Papers. The greater the diversity of interest groups - without one being too dominant over the other - the greater a republican democracy will flourish. India is a nation of minorities, in most ways. Sliced one way or another, there is no single majority in India. ("Hinduism" is a majority ethos movement that is fundamentally inclusive, unless a particular minority doesn't want to be included).

UlanBatori wrote:"The Sun never sets on the Brish!t Empayh". Because there ain't room for it.

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 Sep 2014 10:34

kish wrote:Amidst the chaos of scotland referendum, racist brits never forgot 'cashmere' issue.

Debate on Human Rights Situation in Kashmir Causes Stir in UK Parliament

A debate on the human rights situation in Kashmir to be held in the UK Parliament building tomorrow has caused a stir among Indian groups here who fear it could be used as an India bashing opportunity.

Liberal Democrat MP David Ward has secured a 'General debate on political and humanitarian situation in Kashmir' as part of the regular Backbench Business Committee application process in the House of Commons.

Based on a petition by the 'Jammu & Kashmir Self-Determination Movement' which gained around 5,000 signatures, the Bradford East MP was able to push for the debate calling Kashmir dispute a "threat" to regional and global peace and to give the people "right to self- determination".

It has raised concerns among some Indian groups regarding the timing coinciding with the September 11 attacks anniversary as well as the focus of the debate.

"A number of British Indian organisations have contacted us expressing concerns on this Kashmir debate development in the House of Commons at this time because they fear that it could be used as an India/Indian bashing opportunity," said the Leicester-based British Hindu Voice in an appeal to its local MPs.

"If possible, please speak in the Kashmir debate and let your constituents know your and your party's stand on this subject," the appeal adds in reference to Leicester MPs Keith Vaz, John Ashworth and Liz Kendall.

The British Parliament's Backbench Business Committee meets weekly to consider requests for debates from any backbench MP on any subject, including those raised in e-petitions or national campaigns.

These debates are held in a chamber within the House of Commons complex and aimed at lobbying UK government on specific issues.

Around 20 British MPs, including Ward, Labour's shadow finance secretary Shabana Mahmood and secretary of the All Party Parliamentary Group for Kashmir Richard Harrington, are lined up to address the debate.

The succumbing by UK Parliament to communal pressure of Mohammadden’s of Pakistani origin residing in the UK has not gone down well with India.

Deputy High Commissioner for India in the UK, Dr Virander Paul, in a message believed to be aimed at senior UK Cabinet Minister Vince Cable to reign in his fellow party man David Ward who initiated this debate at the behest of his Pakistani origin Mohammadden constituents said: "From time to time, we find that there are certain tendencies in certain sections of the society, which are not in the interest of our strong relations."

India Furious About UK Lawmakers' Plans to Debate Kashmir

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 12 Sep 2014 12:17

ramana wrote:
Biggest question is will Scotland get its share of nukes and two of the Tridents submarines as their share. The base is in Scotland.

If Scotland votes Yes, lets have a BRF meet in Edinburgh next year. Celebrate completion of "End of Colonialism" started by India in 1947.

I would be delighted to organise such a meet.

member_28638 · Post by **member_28638** » 13 Sep 2014 02:24

BBC using dirty tricks over Scotland: Salmond

Fri Sep 12, 2014

Scotland’s First Minister Alex Salmond has slammed the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) for using a “dirty tricks campaign” to disrupt the outcome of next week’s Scottish independence referendum.

Salmond made the remarks on Friday after the British Treasury leaked sensitive information about the future of the Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS) to the British broadcaster in case of a “Yes” outcome.

The BBC was first to announce that several major banks, including RBS, could relocate their headquarters from Scotland to Britain if Scotland votes to break away from the UK.

Salmond said such a move would only mean that banks’ “brass plates” would be relocated, while jobs in Scotland would remain secure.

The Scottish first minister added that the BBC’s disclosure of the RBS decision was a matter of “extraordinary gravity” and he was writing to Jeremy Heywood, UK’s Cabinet Secretary and head of the British civil service, demanding an investigation.

This comes as the “No” campaign has been also warning Scots that an independent Scotland could lead to price hikes as they would not be able to use the British currency, the pound.

Recent polls show that such reports have led to a slight fall in the YES campaign’s popularity. However, Salmond says he is confident of a “Yes” victory in the upcoming referendum despite recent knife-edge polls.

An opinion poll published earlier this week showed that Scottish independence supporters and pro-unionists were evenly split. A survey presented on September 7 put support for Scotland’s independence in the lead at 51 percent, compared with 49 percent in favor of remaining in the union.

Scotland will hold a national referendum on September 18 to determine the country’s future. The independence referendum could result in Scotland’s breakaway from the United Kingdom after more than 300 years of political union.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/09/1 ... -scotland/

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 13 Sep 2014 02:28

panduranghari wrote:
ramana wrote:
Biggest question is will Scotland get its share of nukes and two of the Tridents submarines as their share. The base is in Scotland.

If Scotland votes Yes, lets have a BRF meet in Edinburgh next year. Celebrate completion of "End of Colonialism" started by India in 1947.
I would be delighted to organise such a meet.

If the Scotts vote yes, I promise to show up

Breaking my own self imposed rule of never setting foot in that god forsaken nazi-$hitland.

Shankas · Post by **Shankas** » 13 Sep 2014 03:57

LokeshC wrote:
ramana wrote: If Scotland votes Yes, lets have a BRF meet in Edinburgh next year. Celebrate completion of "End of Colonialism" started by India in 1947.

I would be delighted to organise such a meet.

If the Scotts vote yes, I promise to show up Breaking my own self imposed rule of never setting foot in that god forsaken nazi-$hitland.

If it is a "YES" count me in.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 13 Sep 2014 07:30

I may even consider relocating to a english speaking republic of S'land. But are to going to cut out their germanic nazi royal s**t house also???

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 13 Sep 2014 08:08

The dirty trick department is just getting started. I am amazed at the number of banks, utilities, grocers, dog kennels, ... that have been roped in so far. Self determination my foot. Any sane journalist interested in such a documentary and still not capturing these moments is letting gold flow by in a river flood.

arun · Post by **arun** » 13 Sep 2014 08:38

Loyalty to India by those of Indian origin who have opted for UK citizenship even on issues that have nothing to do with UK domestic affairs such as Jammu & Kashmir, must never be taken for granted:

Indian-origin MPs in UK conspicuous by their absence during Kashmir debate

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 13 Sep 2014 09:13

Just like I have written on US thread, we need to realize that the US citizens are just that UK Citizens. Pan Hindu relation do not exist and labour MPs are muslims and Conservative MPs are Anglicans. We need to get to it hammered into our head time and again. I failed to understand why we are forgetting that their loyalties are towards their nation and their nation only. I say f**K them and move on.

A d class Euro begger nation need not be taken seriously. On the other hand take away POI cards from these s**t heads. That is the least we can do.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 13 Sep 2014 10:53

LokeshC wrote:
panduranghari wrote:
If Scotland votes Yes, lets have a BRF meet in Edinburgh next year. Celebrate completion of "End of Colonialism" started by India in 1947.
I would be delighted to organise such a meet

If the Scotts vote yes, I promise to show up Breaking my own self imposed rule of never setting foot in that god forsaken nazi-$hitland.

Me too. Will relocate to Aberdeen.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Sep 2014 11:15

India dismisses U.K. lawmakers’ discussion on Kashmir

India on Friday dismissed the discussion on Kashmir by the U.K. lawmakers, saying gone are the days when a group of “disparate individuals” decided the destinies of countries far away from their shore.

Noting that the topic of discussion was an “internal” matter of India, External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin said, “We would like to make it very clear that gone are the days when a group of disparate individuals decide the destinies of countries far away from their shore.” — PTI

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 13 Sep 2014 11:31

Narayana Rao,

" I say f**K them and move on.

A d class Euro begger nation need not be taken seriously. On the other hand take away POI cards from these s**t heads"

Are you referring to people of Indian origin here when you say "f**K them" and "take away POI (?) cards from these s**t heads?"

If yes, just a gentle note that many participants of BRF are about to get "f**ked" and "POI cards" taken away shortly, no doubt...

A little less generalisation may work in your favour... just observing, that's all.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 13 Sep 2014 12:07

Moral victory for India as UK MPs debate on Kashmir

LONDON: The British government on Thursday condemned terrorism and violence and rejected mediation in the dispute between India and Pakistan on Kashmir in a parliamentary debate in which pro-India speakers among the MPs overwhelmed Pakistan supporters by almost three to one.

Replying at the end of a three-hour debate on the political and humanitarian situation in Kashmir, Tobias Ellwood, a junior minister in the foreign office, said, "Talks (between India and Pakistan) can only take place free from terrorism and violence." He reiterated there would be "no mediation" by Britain in respect of the differences between India and Pakistan over Kashmir.

The debate took place in a committee room and under the auspices of the Backbench Business Committee. In other words, it wasn't a part of government business and there was no vote at the end of the debate. At the same time, it had official recognition.

Of the 18 speakers who participated, only three clearly stood up for Islamabad's cause — the mover of the debate, David Ward, who represented a Bradford constituency where most of the voters or their families hail from Mirpur in Pakistani-administered Kashmir, and two MPs of Pakistani-origin.

arun · Post by **arun** » 13 Sep 2014 14:57

This webpage carries weblinks to the video and text transcript of debate by UK Parliament meddling in Jammu & Kashmir:

MPs debate political and humanitarian situation in Kashmir

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Sep 2014 16:57

gone are the days when a group of disparate individuals decide the destinies of countries far away from their shore.”

A distinct improvement in the tone and verbiage coming out of Dilli. A very clear slap reminding the Brish!t of the East India Company and the whole source of their ill-gotten wealth. The very building of their "Parliament" was no doubt built with looted cash.

Lokesh: As long as get your ticket on a non-Brish1t airline, and stay at a foreign hotel chain, find desi restaurants to eat, and a desi taxi driver to take you around, hey, go for it. There are some things u can do:

1. Ask the ~~airport security~~ (no don't do that..

) where the nearest WindsorCastle is: If they look puzzled, explain that you mean the "WC".
2. Climb the hill outside the Holy Rood castle, use a telephoto lens and look for any horsey-looking types doing their thing under the trees. Probably the Royals. Note that I never said "take pictures"

That would be so wrong, besides, why contaminate your camera?
3. Get on a train (they are mostly empty..) and sit in every empty seat in turn, and "go" as many times as u can (I mean, not on the seats!)
4. Decline politely, all those suggestions that you should go visit the British Museum. I did, and a famous British prof told whoever was suggesting:

"He won't. Most of the stuff there was stolen from his country".

I just

Or tell them you don't want to be photographed around "hot" property and ask if the Museum Directors aren't on InterPol Red Corner notices.

5. As them if they are still into "virginity tests" and isn't that because there ain't any there over the age of 5 that are.
6. Ask how Vaseline sales are going, since the County Cricket season is in full swing.
7. Ask why the British refer to themselves as the Three King Nation: You know, like Mr. ***King Anderson and ***King Cook (or is that Mr. Cooking ***k?) talks. Ask if Her ***King Majesty is doing fine at ***King Astor. I mean the racetrack, not the horse!

See? What a full itinerary!

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 13 Sep 2014 17:00

All the threats, scaremongering seems to be working. No voters slightly in the lead and increased their tally in the latest poll

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 13 Sep 2014 19:01

UlanBatori wrote:A distinct improvement in the tone and verbiage coming out of Dilli. A very clear slap reminding the Brish!t of the East India Company and the whole source of their ill-gotten wealth. The very building of their "Parliament" was no doubt built with looted cash.

I am waiting for the day when India will leave the so-called 'Commonwealth'. Seems a very self-respecting thing to do. The only thing these countries have in Common is that their Wealth was grabbed by the Britteeshkaaran. He grabbed all the milch cows, we are reduced to milking mares and yaks.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Sep 2014 19:20

SSridhar wrote:India dismisses U.K. lawmakers’ discussion on Kashmir
India on Friday dismissed the discussion on Kashmir by the U.K. lawmakers, saying gone are the days when a group of “disparate individuals” decided the destinies of countries far away from their shore.

Noting that the topic of discussion was an “internal” matter of India, External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin said, “We would like to make it very clear that gone are the days when a group of disparate individuals decide the destinies of countries far away from their shore.” — PTI

Well spoken!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Sep 2014 20:05

Forget Brish1t CommonCon. See Shanghai Gang of Ten for new CommonRipOff.

Will be buying yaks, paying camel prices.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 13 Sep 2014 21:42

William Dalrymple in The Daily Telegraph:

Do the Scots really want to stop running Britain?

Hew’s gamble paid off. The empire Scotland created in alliance with England may have had deeply questionable effects for the rest of the world – dynamiting the Summer Palace outside Beijing, the grand bazaar in Kabul, the pavilions of Mandalay, and much of the Red Fort in Delhi (near which I write this), as well as many other of the world’s pre-colonial wonders, too – but there is no question it hugely enriched Scotland and turned it from one of the poorest into one of the world’s most prosperous nations.

Where before the abbeys and churches of the Border country I grew up in were burned on an almost annual basis by marauding English armies, now it was the Scots’ Borderers, as well as the Highland Regiments, who were marauding around Lucknow and Cawnpore. This may not have been a very moral swap, but the plunder and opportunities of empire turned my family’s homeland from the Poor Man of Europe into the heartland of the Industrial Revolution, the shipbuilding giant of the world and gave Scots the opportunity to prosper massively from running and administering great swathes of the world.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 13 Sep 2014 22:08

nageshks wrote:Does anyone know how Indians inside Scotland are planning to vote? And should we urge Indians inside Scotland to vote for Independence?

Some views here ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-28824987

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/art ... esult.html

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 13 Sep 2014 22:19

eklavya wrote:William Dalrymple in The Daily Telegraph:

Do the Scots really want to stop running Britain?

Hew’s gamble paid off. The empire Scotland created in alliance with England may have had deeply questionable effects for the rest of the world – dynamiting the Summer Palace outside Beijing, the grand bazaar in Kabul, the pavilions of Mandalay, and much of the Red Fort in Delhi (near which I write this), as well as many other of the world’s pre-colonial wonders, too – but there is no question it hugely enriched Scotland and turned it from one of the poorest into one of the world’s most prosperous nations.

Where before the abbeys and churches of the Border country I grew up in were burned on an almost annual basis by marauding English armies, now it was the Scots’ Borderers, as well as the Highland Regiments, who were marauding around Lucknow and Cawnpore. This may not have been a very moral swap, but the plunder and opportunities of empire turned my family’s homeland from the Poor Man of Europe into the heartland of the Industrial Revolution, the shipbuilding giant of the world and gave Scots the opportunity to prosper massively from running and administering great swathes of the world.

Let me paraphrase the brilliant White-Mogul Dah-limp-piles:

The Brishits helped us Scotts to loot and pillage India (after they looted and pillaged us), and we became prosperous because of the Brishit and their wonderful shipbuilding. So I hope we vote to stay together so that this union, born out of the murder of millions, can create even more trouble in the world.

Why the eff is this bosadeeka still in India? We should have planted a steel-tipped-boot a feet deep in his musharraf by now and send him flying off to his motherland.

He should be quietly deported when GoI gets a chance. We should not entertain colonial hangover agents anywhere in India.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 13 Sep 2014 22:30

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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Sep 2014 04:03

The 21 Sikhs of Saragarhi

Britain’s Parliament interrupted proceedings and rose to give a standing ovation on September 12, 1897 to 21 valorous soldiers — all of them Indians, all of them Sikhs — for what was undoubtedly a tremendous act of collective bravery, and one of the greatest ‘last-stands’ in military history, the Battle of Saragarhi.

The North-West Frontier of undivided India, now a part of Pakistan known as Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, is a harsh place. Embroiled even today in bloody conflict, it has been home to a multitude of battle-hardened tribes for centuries. In this tumultuous region, between the forts of Gulistan and Lockhart, which were built by one of India’s most proficient military commanders, Maharajah Ranjit Singh, is where Saragarhi is situated. As there was no visual contact between the two forts, Saragarhi was created as a heliographic communication post to signal between them.

Afridi and Orakzai tribesmen had started to revolt against British annexation of the area in the latter part of 1897, resulting in a multitude of attacks on both Gulistan and Lockhart, especially during the first week of September that year. Elements of the 36th Sikhs, under the command of Lieutenant Colonel John Haughton, had been moved to the area and had been successfully repelling attacks from the tough, hardy Pashtuns.

On September 12, the frustrated tribesmen changed strategy; they decided to cut off this vital communication link that was being guarded by a detachment of the Sikhs, having only been reinforced in the previous couple of days by Havildar Ishar Singh, and just 20 other ranks. At 9 am, no less than 10,000 tribesmen assembled to launch an assault on Saragarhi.

Haughton, who was based at Fort Gulistan, received a signal that Saragarhi was about to come under attack from a mammoth force. His reply couldn’t have been anything but demotivating for the defenders; he was unable to send any immediate relief. The Sikhs, however, resilient and undeterred, knew quick, hard decisions were required. Ishar Singh and his men decided that they would fight to the last man. This was not just bravado. The tactic could, if successful, delay an attack on the forts, giving the troops there more time to prepare and for reinforcements to arrive. Fierce fighting ensued once the assault began and the Sikhs fought a series of delay tactics to ensure the fighting continued for as long as possible.

So much so, that as the battle was prolonged, and Afghan casualties mounted, commanders of the assault force tried offering the defenders favourable terms of surrender. That wasn’t an option for the Sikhs. Attack after attack was repulsed. Ishar Singh and his men continued to stubbornly hold out, while inflicting a steady toll on the enemy, despite an acute shortage of ammunition which eventually ran out. The tribesmen made more than one attempt to rush the gates of Saragarhi, but this too was unsuccessful. Finally, a breach was made in one of the walls by a small body of tribesmen which was not visible to the Sikhs, having stealthily crept up using a blind spot and laboured at the wall for a while. By this time the battle had raged on for the better part of the sunlight hours.

One can only imagine the fierce and brutal hand-to-hand combat that ensued between these ridiculously lopsided forces once the wall was breached. A determined Ishar Singh ordered his troops to fall back into an inner layer of Saragarhi, while he distracted and held the attackers at bay — another classic delaying tactic. After he fell, the enemy managed to finally breach the inner layers, and except for Sepoy Gurmukh Singh, who was regularly communicating details of the battle to Haughton, his commander in Fort Gulistan, every defender had been killed. The determined Gurmukh asked his commander if he could now fix his bayonet, and an account describes him packing his equipment into a leather bag before doing so. The attackers decided to set fire to Saragarhi and according to Haughton’s account, engulfed in flames, Gurmukh’s last words were the Sikh battle cry: “Jo Bole So Nihal, Sat Sri Akal (Victory belongs to those who recite the name of God with a true heart)”.

The courageous decision of Ishar Singh and his men had achieved the desired outcome. The battle had raged for over six hours and while there were a couple of patrols launched from Gulistan and Lockhart to distract the enemy, which reported there were around 14,000 attackers, the tribesmen had stayed focused on Saragarhi. The Sikhs, knowing very well what their fate would be, had held out against some of the most unfavourable odds for many hours, buying enough time for their comrades. Gulistan and Lockhart were saved from falling into Afghan hands and the lives of the vast majority of their regiment was saved too. For this extraordinary act of bravery and valour, all 21 Sikhs were awarded the Indian Order of Merit, which was the highest gallantry award given to Indians at the time. This remains the only instance when an entire body of troops has been given the highest award for the same battle.

When the relief party finally arrived at Saragarhi, there were over 600 dead Afghans and 21 soldiers of the 36th Sikhs along with one non-combatant — a camp follower and cook of the Sikhs who had been with them. Some of those enemy casualties are said to have been caused by artillery fire, after all the Sikhs had fallen; but in any event, for just 21 men to hold off the utterly overwhelming assault force of 10,000-14,000, this battle remains utterly remarkable and among the most heroic last-stands, ever — something akin to the Battle of Thermopylae fought between a Greek alliance and the Persian Empire in 480 BC.

The 36th Sikhs survive to this day. They were re-designated as the 4th Battalion of the Sikh Regiment — which is, unsurprisingly, the most highly decorated regiment of the Indian Army. Now 20 battalions strong, the entire regiment remembers the heroic and selfless sacrifice of these soldiers by commemorating Saragarhi Day as their Battle Honour Day each year.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 14 Sep 2014 09:20

Not sure as to why the hostility towards the UK runs so deep here.

I don't have any ill feelings towards them but then again I'm not in contact with them.

How are Indians treated in the UK?

I will be watching this vote closely anyway. This could be as monumental as the fall of the Berlin wall with most not even realising it.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 14 Sep 2014 09:29

Neshant_> It is because of many anti India posturing by the Uk

1) From supporting Pakis from 1947 on Kahmir, Setting up of ISI etc.

2) Repeatedly trying to run down India, like using BBC and other propaganda mouth pieces, interfering in India's internal politics repteadly, to brandish some persons as fascists without valid reasons, like thier foreign office even claimed with little evidence that the present prime minster of India was personally involved in cutting unborn feotuses.

3) Giving shelter to Dawood's daughter and many of India's underworld dons, giving support to Khalistanis with ISI support, to complete blanking out of atrocities in POK but trying to support Pakis on Kashmir.

If you go through it there are many reasons in the last 30 years where the UK has been unfair to India which should change.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 14 Sep 2014 11:33

Neshant wrote:Not sure as to why the hostility towards the UK runs so deep here.

I don't have any ill feelings towards them but then again I'm not in contact with them.

How are Indians treated in the UK?

I will be watching this vote closely anyway. This could be as monumental as the fall of the Berlin wall with most not even realising it.

Wonder why the hostility towards Nazis runs so deep among the Jews

. (Due apologies to Godwin and his law).

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 14 Sep 2014 11:40

Aditya_V wrote:Neshant_> It is because of many anti India posturing by the Uk

1) From supporting Pakis from 1947 on Kahmir, Setting up of ISI etc.

2) Repeatedly trying to run down India, like using BBC and other propaganda mouth pieces, interfering in India's internal politics repteadly, to brandish some persons as fascists without valid reasons, like thier foreign office even claimed with little evidence that the present prime minster of India was personally involved in cutting unborn feotuses.

3) Giving shelter to Dawood's daughter and many of India's underworld dons, giving support to Khalistanis with ISI support, to complete blanking out of atrocities in POK but trying to support Pakis on Kashmir.

If you go through it there are many reasons in the last 30 years where the UK has been unfair to India which should change.

4) Murdering millions through Famines (read Late Victorian Holocausts, Churchill's Secret Wars).

5) Fighting two European wars (WWI, WWII) with Indian soldiers with false promises and treating them worse than captured POWs.

6) Preventing Industrialization of India and forceful de-industrialization resulting in destitution of a large number of our ancestors.

The list is long. Anyone who realizes the extent of damage that shit stain of a country has done to the world will have nothing but deep hostility towards it.

But then history is whitewashed and most Indians have drunk the koolaid of "benevolent colonizers". What to do onleeee. There are "good rapists" and then there are "bad rapists". Brishitstain was apparently a "good rapist", "a benevolent rapist" who cilivized us and gave us railways and a national language that maintains a permanent underclass in India. The price we paid for all of that was very small: Only 30 - 80 million lives, including 4 - 8 million just around WWII. No reason we should be hostile onlee.....

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 14 Sep 2014 11:46

Neshant wrote:Not sure as to why the hostility towards the UK runs so deep here.

A true-blue soul-mate of MMS !! He could never figure that one out too, poor sod.