Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 18 Sep 2014 12:12

Shreeman wrote:Logic dictates that No will win, regardless of percentages or the will of the population. Lets see if I am proven wrong.

Anyone else want to forecast the outcome?

Yes will win by a whisker. If Scotland goes back to stone age as predicted by Niall Ferguson (the great India hating economist) then where will England be? Certainly close to 7 CE. Isn't that technically stone age?

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 18 Sep 2014 12:19

One of the greatest benefits of the whole referendum saga has been the chance to see all the posh, high-brow 'historians', 'statesmen', 'fair British press' and 'eminent personalities' drop their mask of affected holier than thou behavior, and show what trolls they actually are. I loved reading Niall Ferguson's article in the Telegraph. It's a hoot. The naked partisanship, fear-mongering and utter lack of the previously asserted objectivity makes for great reading, and is useful against them in future when the same louts come and give us 'advice'.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 18 Sep 2014 12:52

The article by white mogul Darling-piles is grounds for kicking him out of India. He should forever be reminded that he supports the unholy union which was united to loot the very country he resides in, and therefore has no right to comment on India in any capacity.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Sep 2014 13:50

Andy Murray Wimbeldon champion comes out openly in support of YES for separation. He said negative campaign by NO has swayed him big time.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Sep 2014 14:28

IndraD wrote:Andy Murray Wimbeldon champion comes out openly in support of YES for separation. He said negative campaign by NO has swayed him big time.

ungrateful wretch.

This, even after the whole of the UK rooted for him

member_28714 · Post by **member_28714** » 18 Sep 2014 14:35

chetak wrote:
IndraD wrote:Andy Murray Wimbeldon champion comes out openly in support of YES for separation. He said negative campaign by NO has swayed him big time.
ungrateful wretch.

This, even after the whole of the UK rooted for him

lol ... is it not the other way around? he delivered them from some 80 years of embarrassment

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Sep 2014 14:51

^^ Acc to comments he is selfish loath, he practiced mostly in London, stays away from Scot most of the times. He is being blasted left & right on all newspaper forums

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 Sep 2014 15:22

LokeshC wrote:^^^ Suraj ji, This is OT (and I can point to a lot of online sources. Actually Wiki is very credible on this).

Most of what I know from my travels in Barcelona and talking to local folks there.

I got the same impressions (and I am going back to the late '80s when the movement had taken on violent under currents). The people are insulted if you call them Spanish. They want to be called Catalans.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 18 Sep 2014 15:29

LokeshC wrote:I am familiar with Catalan nationalism. Just a matter of time. Spain is circling the drain and when it gets into real trouble (in the near future), Folks from Catalunya will start making noises.

OT for the thread. But is it same as Basque.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Sep 2014 17:19

British political, media and financial influence is built by showing the world a mirage of the same, showing the world United Kingdom standing atop on the hill sturdy and unwavering. When the wedge slips, UK is bound to come tumbling down and break its crown.

Without Scotland, mediocrity stares UK in the face, the prospect of becoming an Italy or a Spain. Either one has aura of power and thus the power or one has it not. FUK would be losing its influence very quickly should Scotland go.

For India it would be very good.

member_28714 · Post by **member_28714** » 18 Sep 2014 17:25

What happens to Falklands if YES wins? If there is no more Britain, does Falklands get split between Scotland and the rest?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Sep 2014 17:28

No movement picks up speed, final poll (even those loyal to Wesiminster) giving NO movement 53% +

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Sep 2014 17:29

George wrote:What happens to Falklands if YES wins? If there is no more Britain, does Falklands get split between Scotland and the rest?

Those islands are named after Falkland, a place in Scotland.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Sep 2014 17:32

RajeshA wrote:
George wrote:What happens to Falklands if YES wins? If there is no more Britain, does Falklands get split between Scotland and the rest?
Those islands are named after Falkland, a place in Scotland.

If push comes to shove, the grasping FUK will not let the falklands go to scotland.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Sep 2014 17:39

The referendum is not about Partition, but rather Separation, so even though there would be a division of assets, Scotland is not going to get any British territories falling outside Scotland, e.g. Scotland would also not put up claims for half of Northern Ireland or Wales.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 18 Sep 2014 21:51

63% of MPs against goodies promised to Scotland. That was quick.

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 18 Sep 2014 22:52

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... lsh-voters

Read the comments. The English threatening the Scots in all ways possible.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 18 Sep 2014 23:30

More than all these articles, the comments have been interesting. Scotland bashing is going on in full flow. It didn't take them long to resurrect the old hatred, and contempt, did it?

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 18 Sep 2014 23:41

And that is why even if the "YES" people end up loosing, I hope they do so with a narrow margin (with high turnout). The resentment and mutual hatred will spread very fast due to social media.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 18 Sep 2014 23:45

The English are doing an excellent job of poisoning the well in which all the frogs swim. The poisonous language against the Yes supporters guarantees that even a No vote is just a stay on the execution of the UK, not a reprieve. Many families and friends will be torn by this topic, and it's in our interest to generously feed some fuel into the fire repeatedly.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 18 Sep 2014 23:46

Exactly. Like I wrote earlier - Brits have to be seen to be honest and actually assimilating - but the English are already showing acrimony. This can only go downhill especially if the economy falters.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 18 Sep 2014 23:52

RajeshA wrote:The referendum is not about Partition, but rather Separation, so even though there would be a division of assets, Scotland is not going to get any British territories falling outside Scotland, e.g. Scotland would also not put up claims for half of Northern Ireland or Wales.

nice to see you back, Rajesh saar. Missed you.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Sep 2014 23:54

johneeG ji,

when big decisions happen in the world, BRF is the water pond where I come and quench my thirst!

I feel it in my bones that Scottish Independence would go a long way in both reinstating India as a power, as well as curing Indians of Macaulayism!

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 19 Sep 2014 00:10

Suraj wrote:The English are doing an excellent job of poisoning the well in which all the frogs swim. The poisonous language against the Yes supporters guarantees that even a No vote is just a stay on the execution of the UK, not a reprieve. Many families and friends will be torn by this topic, and it's in our interest to generously feed some fuel into the fire repeatedly.

yes indeed. Do the needful duty on social media (adequately disguised), and remember to write in qyooon engrish or whatever version of engrish that might piss off the party you are fighting "against".

Hopefully some of our non-macaulayized babus and politicians are looking at this fine opportunity that might present itself for ripe exploitation.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 19 Sep 2014 00:13

yayavar wrote:Exactly. Like I wrote earlier - Brits have to be seen to be honest and actually assimilating - but the English are already showing acrimony. This can only go downhill especially if the economy falters.

The British schools teach this

The English are said to be reserved in manners, dress and speech. We are famous for our politeness, self-discipline and especially for our sense of humour. Basic politeness (please, thank you, excuse me) is expected.

link

Visiting people in their houses

When being entertained at someone's home it is nice to take a gift for the host and hostess. A bottle of wine, bunch of flowers or chocolates are all acceptable.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 19 Sep 2014 00:25

How I wish our Dork Media idiots develop some grey cells in their brain and decide to write articles with headlines like this:

"In the UK, a referendum that may be held in peace but social media tells us that the process is anything but peaceful"

"Scotland, an occupied territory of England will vote to decide its fate in the referendum tomorrow. English politicians resort to threats"

"Scottish referendum maybe over, but the wounds may take decades to heal"

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Sep 2014 01:20

The markets have decided the answer is no. Lets see the outcome. Salmond seems to think he can claim victory in the concessions made for No, and the brits are already back pedaling from the No promises.

A yes would be a huge surprise now - nothing points to it.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 19 Sep 2014 01:25

Shreeman wrote:and the brits are already back pedaling from the No promises.

Any Scot who chose not to vote Yes because he was swayed by "Vote No - we'll devolve more power and autonomy to you if you do!" does not know his history.

Correspondingly, the English can be trusted to screw things up further if the vote is No. They can't change decades of Thatcherite de-industrialisation overnight.

For us, Yes means UK is quickly deep fried. No means they are slow boiled.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Sep 2014 01:34

Scoties getting their own separate potties will finally validate the Karma Siddhant. Then may be Maccaulyputras in Bharat too accept the validation following their masters's fate. F UK will soon S UK .

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 19 Sep 2014 02:06

Suraj wrote:For us, Yes means UK is quickly deep fried. No means they are slow boiled.

That begs a question as to who/what made this referendum possible? If the result is No, when would be the next referendum?

added later: some info here

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 19 Sep 2014 02:12

Early reports coming through SKY that Westminster heaves sigh of relief and they are confident of NO now

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Sep 2014 02:43

Suraj wrote:
Shreeman wrote:and the brits are already back pedaling from the No promises.
Any Scot who chose not to vote Yes because he was swayed by "Vote No - we'll devolve more power and autonomy to you if you do!" does not know his history.

Correspondingly, the English can be trusted to screw things up further if the vote is No. They can't change decades of Thatcherite de-industrialisation overnight.

For us, Yes means UK is quickly deep fried. No means they are slow boiled.

Seems like an utter waste of time/resources. A pretend poll like they would have permitted a Yes answer. Anyone who really wanted a yes (if there are such people) would likely be thoroughly disgusted.

How is this different than any afghanistani polling process? They dont use the threats used here, and who is to say counting and balloting isnt the same quality.

The ordinary Yes voter is likely to backpedal now furiously, trying to keep whatever is left of their kilt and bagpipes out of reach. Will they be able to wear their yes buttons despite the loss or talk about yes without being beaten by the No brits?

PS -- there are 100,000s mailed ballots. A result in 100000s should be automatically suspect.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 19 Sep 2014 02:46

shreemanji that is why i said it needs to be seen as being an honest count. If not then dissent can arise and turn nasty.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 19 Sep 2014 02:48

Who wins Glasgow, wins the referendum as Glasgow accounts for 20% of the vote. Results for Glasgow by 0.00 BST.

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 19 Sep 2014 04:58

And it's happening - allegations of rigging the referndum.

A new Burns Night... or has the flame already gone out? As thousands of Scottish nationalists gather in the streets the No campaign is confident of victory - amid claims of electoral fraud

Alex Salmond's dream of Scottish independence is on the brink of ruin tonight, with early results suggesting voters have dramatically rejected his plan for separation.

The First Minister has cancelled an expected appearance in his Aberdeenshire, amid speculation the No campaign has triumphed in his own backyard.

Sources in the Better Together campaign claim up to two thirds of postal votes support the No cause, after the final YouGov poll released as counting began put No on 54 per cent and Yes on 46 per cent.

Thousands of Yes campaigners have gathered in George Square in Glasgow, burning flares, waving Saltires and chanting pro-independence songs. Meanwhile, officials at the referendum count in Glasgow have said they are investigating 10 cases of suspected electoral fraud at polling stations.

After almost three years of bitter campaigning, warnings of economic catastrophe and allegations of intimidation, threats and downright lies, No campaigners are increasingly confident the tide of public opinion is with them.

Turnout in affluent, traditionally Tory areas is thought to have hit as much as 97 per cent. Early results showed turnout in Orkney was 83.7 per cent, Renfrewshire was 87.3 per cent and in Clackmannanshire it hit 88.6 per cent, the first reports showed.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Sep 2014 05:32

yes votes in counted no pile on TV.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 19 Sep 2014 05:40

That looks like tens of thousands of votes being mis-categorized. Same bunch of jokers were making fun of assorted dictators rigging elections. Clearly, now they'll claim 99.9% voted no.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 19 Sep 2014 05:42

LOL. What a farce. Ahmedinejad and Fuehrer would be proud onleeee, wishing that they had conducted their elections like the Brishits. Free and Fair... LOL.

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2014 05:55

2 out 32 councils and it is 58 v 42. 'No' is winning. These are tiny councils though.

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2014 05:59

Suraj wrote: That looks like tens of thousands of votes being mis-categorized. Same bunch of jokers were making fun of assorted dictators rigging elections. Clearly, now they'll claim 99.9% voted no.

This is what Daily Record reporter James Moncur says...

"Just to clear up 'picturegate' - the photo was a screen grab from Sky TV of the count in Dundee.

"All votes both yes and no we're piled on a table before the final verification count started.

"The table just happened to have a 'No' sign on it. Sky got a stern ticking off from count officials for the error."

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