Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

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gandharva wrote:the whole world was listening, when Nawaz shareef was speaking on Kashmir.

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There is a video clip with Bakra Mutt on Undie TV (program called 'buck stops here' or something like that from the balcony of a NYC hotel balcony) and towards the end she has the good Haqqani who says something along the lines of ...
'There are 192 countries in the UN and 191 of them are not interested in Kashmir. It is high time Pakistan realizes it is isolated in the world' Picture speaks for itself about core issue of world peace and nuclear flashpoint enthusiasm with world leaders.
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RCase wrote:'There are 192 countries in the UN and 191 of them are not interested in Kashmir. It is high time Pakistan realizes it is isolated in the world'
The better Haqqani should know better than expressing that hope. He moderated the C.Fair event a couple of months back and it came out clearly what Pakistan stood for, surviving one more day to fight India. Of course, even without Ms. C.Fair, he would know what was the objective of Pakistan, having observed it closely and been part of it too.
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Hiyar, I have analyzed that screen grab from ganja's N-UNGA speech and tagged the few people in it. I think it makes sense why the speech was a rousing success. I pity the next speaker. That would have been a tough act to follow.

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Guys, are we discussing ModiJi's speech somewhere? If so, which thread?
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http://www.dawn.com/news/1134704/pia-pl ... ar-airport
PIA plane ‘fired’ upon at Peshawar airport
Why is 'fired' in quotes?
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Anujan wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1134704/pia-pl ... ar-airport
PIA plane ‘fired’ upon at Peshawar airport
Why is 'fired' in quotes?
Probably because they were not sure if it is AK47 or ASS47.
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PM Narendra Modi’s maiden speech at UN General Assembly



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@rahulkanwal: Big Breaking: Pak PM Adviser Sartaj Aziz accepts timing of meeting between Pak HC & Hurriyat leaders was wrong. Says won't happen next time
pakis already begging ... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


What Vajpayee, UPA couldnt do in 15 years, Modi did it in 3 months.

as my boss says, if you don't train a dog in the beginning, he will not listen.

Same lesson to Chinese and Pakis.
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The Sherrif's grand speech to an empty hall epitomises the standing that Pak has in the international community.I personally think that Mr.Modi should've given even less attention to the Paki puppet's rant against India.Just one or two sentences would've summed it all up.He used one,about "good and bad terror",there is no difference and the world cannot be duplicitous or discerning about its origins.The second he could've made about Pak and its one-track mindset,could've been "a frog in a well cannot comprehend what the ocean is".He did well to belittle Pak rather deftly though.Pak must be treated like an insect on your shirt.Just flick it off with your fingernail.
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Nawaz leaves for home after UN address

NEW YORK: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif left for home after attending the 69th session of the UN General Assembly where he forcefully projected Pakistan’s position on Kashmir and other key regional and international issues - without meeting Modi!

During his visit, the prime minister also had a series of bilateral meetings with world leaders, including Vice President Joseph Biden on the sidelines of the world’s largest diplomatic forum, and discussed advancing Pakistan’s international relations.

Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhry told journalists that Prime Minister Sharif’s address to the General Assembly gave a powerful message of hope, progress and Pakistan’s commitment to peace.

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vivek.rao wrote:
@rahulkanwal: Big Breaking: Pak PM Adviser Sartaj Aziz accepts timing of meeting between Pak HC & Hurriyat leaders was wrong. Says won't happen next time
It must not be simply 'timing'. There should be no contact at all. How can we allow terrorists, saboteurs and separatists to meet with their handlers?
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Pakis Throwing in the towel!? :rotfl:

Army worried about funding
Kashmir/Siachen in back channel means save our H&D. Lets not talk about it but won't say we stopped talking. Save our H&D

The week is getting better and better.
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This turd Kanwal also talks big. Papaji was part of give away Siachen lobby too. Now he calls Modis foreign policy as macho and pins blame on detractors when he himself was doing a lot of the labelling.
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Pakistan have to open something else if they want India talk to them. To borrow MMS speak, India has the first right over every privilege enjoyed by 3.3 Non South Asian Abbus.
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Thank goodness for Modi to have given a tight slap to the Pakis, instead of indulging in pappi jappi of his predecessors. It is height of nonsense to indulge the Pakis having discussions with the hurry rats on Indian soil.

Modi's body language radiates a confident demeanor, firmness and a sense of purpose. He is in the league of the big boys. Badmash is no match for him.

Enjoyed the piece that Badmash quietly slid back to shitland to ensure that he still has a job, while Modi met up with all the heads of SAARC countries!
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Karan M wrote:This turd Kanwal also talks big. Papaji was part of give away Siachen lobby too. Now he calls Modis foreign policy as macho and pins blame on detractors when he himself was doing a lot of the labelling.
+1.

This insect thinks that he is driving India's foreign policy. I particularly liked that "now over to @PMOIndia". Such delusions of grandeur from a media hack. No wonder NaMo keeps them all away, while the said worthies desperately try to insert themselves into the process by hook or by crook, just to stay relevant.
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Extract from “Official” Full Text of our Prime Minister Narender Modi’s UNGA address dealing with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan
Statement by Prime Minister at the General Debate of the 69th Session of the UNGA

September 27, 2014 …………………………..

India desires a peaceful and stable environment for its development. A nation's destiny is linked to its neighbourhood. That is why my Government has placed the highest priority on advancing friendship and cooperation with her neighbours.

This includes Pakistan. I am prepared to engage in a serious bilateral dialogue with Pakistan in a peaceful atmosphere, without the shadow of terrorism, to promote our friendship and cooperation. However, Pakistan must also take its responsibility seriously to create an appropriate environment for it. Raising issues in this forum will derail the efforts to resolve the issues between our two countries. Instead, today, we should be thinking about the victims of floods in Jammu and Kashmir. In India, we have organized massive flood relief operations and have also offered assistance for Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. ……………….
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So, Pakistan is beginning to learn quickly and one-by-one the rules that India is setting up. The first was no meeting with the Kashmiri splittists, the second is not even a shadow of terrorism and the third is no mention of Kashmir in the UN.
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Really pathetic that no less than an Advisor to the Pakistan Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs says that he has re-assured the Army that talks with India will not lead to reduction of budget for them ! This is a n-weapon country?
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Extract from “Official” Full Text of Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Prime Minister Nawaz Shariff’s Modi’s UNGA address dealing with India.
Statement by His Excellency Mr. Muhammad Nawaz Sharif, Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan during the General Debate of the Sixty-Ninth Session of the UN General Assembly

(2014-09-26) …………………………………………

Mr. President,

It is my government’s aspiration and effort to build a peaceful neighborhood by pursuing a policy of constructive engagement.

In South Asia, our people have missed opportunities for prosperity because of unresolved conflicts. We have a choice today: continue with the status quo or to seize the moment to resolve all outstanding issues and free up our shared energies for cooperation. To take this course of high statesmanship, we need more, not less, dialogue and diplomacy. We need to respect each other’s rights and sensibilities. We must have relationships based on equality, mutual respect and transparency.

We were disappointed at the cancellation of the Foreign Secretary-level talks by India. The world community, too, rightly saw it as another missed opportunity.

Pakistan is convinced that we must remain engaged in the dialogue process for settling disputes and building economic and trade relations. Let us not ignore the dividends of peace.

Mr. President,

More than six decades ago, the United Nations passed resolutions to hold a plebiscite in Jammu and Kashmir. The people of Jammu and Kashmir are still waiting for the fulfillment of that promise.

Many generations of Kashmiris have lived their lives under occupation, accompanied by violence and abuse of their fundamental rights. Kashmiri women, in particular, have suffered immensely.

For decades, attempts have been made, both under UN auspices and bilaterally in the spirit of the Lahore Declaration, to resolve this dispute.

The core issue of Jammu and Kashmir has to be resolved. This is the responsibility of the international community. We cannot draw a vale on the issue of Kashmir, until it is addressed in accordance with the wishes of the people of Jammu and Kashmir.

Pakistan is ready to work for resolution of this issue through negotiations. Our support and advocacy of the right to self-determination of the people of Jammu and Kashmir is our historic commitment and a duty, as a party to the Kashmir dispute.
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SSridhar wrote: It must not be simply 'timing'. There should be no contact at all. How can we allow terrorists, saboteurs and separatists to meet with their handlers?
SSJi, I just saw Sartaj whatever with Bakara. Contrary to what this Rahul dude is peddling, Sartaj never showed an iota of a remorse. Matter of fact, he says that TSP fully supports the "Kashmiri leaders" when Bakara referred to the harried pigs as separatists. All he said was may be the timing was a bit awkward. Seems to me that TSP just threw a dog bone at India, and is hoping that there will be enough pressure from US and its lackeys in India as a result of that to resume talks.

Coming to taks, weren't TSP RAPE like Hajam Soothi, Sehzaad cowdung etc bragging that TSP can live without talks? Why are they so desperate for resumptions of talks now?
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/will- ... -u-n212416
Will Pakistan's New ISI Chief Rizwan Akhtar Help Revamp U.S. Ties?
Have you ever come across a question like that regarding CIA or RAW or any other country's intelligence service chief? "Will CIA's new chief help revamp Russia ties?", "Will RAW's new chief help revamp Pakistan ties?". Only in Pakistan.
Lt. Gen. Akhtar's experience, which includes a stint commanding a peacekeeping force in Somalia, shows that he’s got a record of tackling militancy — desperately necessary in a country that has lost over 5,000 soldiers and 50,000 civilians since 2001, according to the military spokesperson’s office.
He missed mentioning 500000 million dollars loss to economy. This should be Pakistan's pitch to get funds from 3.5 friends. Pakistan should launch a campaign - 5000, 50000, 500000.
None of this will be easy, largely because the ISI is such a sprawling organization. According to the finance ministry, the service’s budget is more than that of the Pakistan Navy’s, and its manpower, estimated by military insiders to be between 80,000 to 100,000, makes it larger than Pakistan’s Air Force and Navy combined.
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“However, the ISI’s size is so large — larger than any other military command at his rank — that it cannot be controlled down to the lowest levels.
So going rogue in EyeAssEye no longer the domain of just retired afsars?
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Altaf asks whether Mohajirs are still Pakistanis - DT
Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) founder leader Altaf Hussain has said establishment and nation should tell mohajirs clearly whether they wanted to treat them as equal citizens.

Hussain said those who sacrificed everything for the sake of Pakistan were not being considered Pakistanis.

Hussain expressing resentment over untoward attitude with ‘Mohajirs’ said, “Our ancestors scarified a lot for the creation of Pakistan, had never thought even in their dreams their offspring would be treated so badly”.

Come forward and announce courageously so that it should be made clear who were we. If you would not behave well with mohajirs in Pakistan then curse would come.
During raids Urdu speaking people were abused and called foreign agents. It was also said who called you to Pakistan. You are people of India and go back to India.
He said Bengalis were also kicked but the day when I would announce I would not bear abuses then there would be no talk, there would be a fight.{AoA}
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Some 3 months back, a flight from Riyadh was shot at during landing at Peshawar airport.
Fast forward to today: PIA plane ‘fired’ upon at Peshawar airport

With several international flights already being suspended to Peshawar, it wont be hard to track down specific flight landings at the airport. Both this and the last attack was on flights from Riyadh and both were PIA aircraft.
Official sources said that Pakistan International Airline (PIA) flight PK-376 form Riyadh was fired upon by unknown miscreants between Sulemankhel and Mashokhel of Peshawar’s Badhber area tonight.
BUt things are still normal in Pakistan because police have already proposed the possible motive.
Badhber Police said that they have heard and seen the gunfire and were investigating if the plane was attacked or it was a routine celebratory fire, common in the area.
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^
Altaf Raja just talks from Londonistan. No action.
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Neela wrote:
Badhber Police said that they have heard and seen the gunfire and were investigating if the plane was attacked or it was a routine celebratory fire, common in the area.
Media can always give a positive spin to such incidents - "PIA plane interrupts routine celebratory fire in Peshawar airport".
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CRamS wrote:SSJi, I just saw Sartaj whatever with Bakara. Contrary to what this Rahul dude is peddling, Sartaj never showed an iota of a remorse. Matter of fact, he says that TSP fully supports the "Kashmiri leaders" when Bakara referred to the harried pigs as separatists. All he said was may be the timing was a bit awkward. Seems to me that TSP just threw a dog bone at India, and is hoping that there will be enough pressure from US and its lackeys in India as a result of that to resume talks.
CRS, thanks for that news about Sartaj Aziz on NDTV because I simply do not watch it. I also do not watch any programme anywhere which included that Karbala Brahmin, Barkha Dutt.

Those apart, I am not surprised that Sartaj Aziz maintains that stand. After all, he has to return to Pakistan and hope to stay alive too. If Rahul Kanwal deliberately extrapolated Aziz's statement, then it also shows our media's propensity to misreport.

In any case, I was one of those who strongly felt that there should be no reference to Pakistan in Modi's speech lest it gets dignified. But, I am quite happy with the way his reference panned out in the end. The contours and the parameters under which, talks can start have been laid out and I am sure some more parameters would emerge in public domain in the coming days (in private domain, they were conveyed to Nawaz Sharif in May). Modi has clearly conveyed a message to not only Pakistan but its Most Aligned NATO Ally, the USofA, that talks will start only if certain parameters are met and talks run the risk of being called off at the first sign of transgression. The message that could not also be lost upon the interested stakeholders is Modi's rejection of the UN as far as the Kashmir issue goes.
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NaMo's subtle message was that the pakis are an ally but not a friend and India is a friend but not an ally.

Are the amrekis and obama too obtuse to get this clear distinction??
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Of Mars & Metro Buses - Ayisha, DT anal-ysis

This is all very amusing, this Mars takleef. I am posting this for the laughter quotient onlee.

One of the greatest wins of the Indians in this successful MOM launch is a spectacular PR campaign. Trumping China, India is now the first Asian country to send MOM to space in what is possibly the lowest price point. This does not have just political mileage, it has also inspired the imagination of India’s students, its people and its scientists. It has signalled to the rest of the world that India needs to shed its image as a country of serial genocides and homeless and unhygienic cities and towns. It wanted to reinforce the image of a country where even the skies are no limit. This was also staged at a time when US-India relations are entering a new era. It certainly does not hurt to have MOM in the pocket when negotiating for more leverage as an emerging power.


Moreover, it signals that the previously launched India Shining campaign and the new Made in India campaign has real horse power behind it and that, indeed, its scientists can do it on their own. Half of the world’s battles can be won by national pride. But not all. If one probes, MOM has limited sensors and the data it will collect will be of equally limited scientific use.
On the other hand, Pakistan does need to not just shed the image of being a poor country or a poorly managed country

Likewise, lndia cannot just get away with a feather in its PR cap. This region houses the world’s largest number of malnourished, poor and diseased people, particularly women, children and the old. Poor-friendly projects also need attention and it would be wonderful if the rat race were about that than about weapons, contracts and nuclear stockpiles.
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CRamS wrote:
SSridhar wrote: It must not be simply 'timing'. There should be no contact at all. How can we allow terrorists, saboteurs and separatists to meet with their handlers?
SSJi, I just saw Sartaj whatever with Bakara. Contrary to what this Rahul dude is peddling, Sartaj never showed an iota of a remorse. Matter of fact, he says that TSP fully supports the "Kashmiri leaders" when Bakara referred to the harried pigs as separatists. All he said was may be the timing was a bit awkward. Seems to me that TSP just threw a dog bone at India, and is hoping that there will be enough pressure from US and its lackeys in India as a result of that to resume talks.

Coming to taks, weren't TSP RAPE like Hajam Soothi, Sehzaad cowdung etc bragging that TSP can live without talks? Why are they so desperate for resumptions of talks now?
In the DNA of kabila paki culture, 'tis written thus:

"We are predators and we will keep attacking infidels till infidels decide they can't win and ask for talks for the attacks to end, i.e., they are asking the attacker for terms of surrender and vassalhood. So, agreeing for talks in TSP mind is the same as agreeing to surrender. This brings the attacker lots of echandee among other things. RAPEs will always say that they can live without talks, because the talks that bring them echandee are talks that their beaten foe begs for. We can live without talks but never without echandee, it is our khat, horse, pcp all rolled into one."

So, for pakis, if India agrees to have talks, it triggers the echandee receptors in the paki reptilian brain and generates a high. Since pakis are in no position to actually have a war, beat down India and make India come for talks, they go for the sequence which is just as good from the point of view of their addicted echandee receptors: they just beg / demand that India come for talks, so that they can get their echandee fix. That's the end goal, Cashmere, Afghanistan, nukes etc etc. are all just means for that fix--they think they have to do those things to get that fix, but if they can get it without all those, that is ok too.

Every government in India and every south block babu knows this instinctively, including under the much-maligned UPA, which played the role of drug dealer, by promising "uninterrupted and uninterruptible talks" but still cutting off or suspending talks for very little provocation from the paki pov--a drug addict is not given to reflect on the gravity of the crimes he commits in pursuit of his fix. And because the Indian babus and politicos' behavior is instinctive, and mostly not self-aware, it didn't matter whether they were fire-breathing anti-pakis or papi-jhapi types, or different ones at different times; instinct + lack of self-awareness means that instinct always wins in determining the overall behavior pattern. The talks when they happened, and whether they were secretary-level or track zillion talks, were all fakes chai-biskoots, meant to supply pakis with empty echandee. On the rare occasions when something concrete like easy visa regime or MFN came out of the talks, pakis themselves would do something to sabotage its implementation, since they would be uncomfortable in a non-fake, real-life zone.

UPA as the drug dealer didn't much care about the echandee addict or his harmful impact on himself and India. So, meeting the hurriyat leaders or not meeting them, or even occasional terrorist attacks, none of them meant much to them--their instinctual role was to supply pakis with the echandee fix, while retaining the power to cut off the drug supply at any time for any length of time.

Modi is doing something radically different. He has cut off the supply of echandee through chai-biskoot talks, and is introducing the language of responsibility to the echandee addict; now "talking responsibility" is the only key to curing addiction, and for that reason, the addict hates it like poison and rages against it. Because by definition, the echandee addict is incapable of taking responsibility on his own, he has to be taught by "a higher power" in this case India through Modi. Teaching is done by visiting on the addict the consequences of bad behavior, with unmistakable action-consequence causal pairing (foreign secretary talks cancellation after meeting hurri-rats), along with laying out very specific expectations for which the addict is asked to take responsibility (Modi's UN speech: 1 take responsibility to actually end terrorism, and 2. don't whine to the UN any more).

Modi is of a very different character than most of us on this forum. He doesn't want to see pakis destroy themselves and their shitty little country as he is not a hater like us. He is the real deal, an actual humanitarian, and genuinely wants to cure Pakistan and bring it into the family of humanity as a more or less functioning member. His approach and clarity in carrying this out are, to be honest, not common ways to resolve problems, certainly not by Indians. I suspect that Modi, a voracious reader, has educated himself on the techniques of cognitive behavioral therapy, and is convinced that it will work not just on individuals but also on countries like Pakistan.

Pakis demand talks on the basis of equality (or equity as they keep calling it). But that train has already left the station in many different ways: an addict can never be equal to his therapist, while a humane and effective therapist will always maintain respect for the addict as another human, all the while remaining strict with him in correcting his behavior. This is Modi's personal leadership style, something that our status-addled but otherwise empty-headed media elite also recognize and hate.
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SSridhar wrote:Of Mars & Metro Buses - Ayisha, DT anal-ysis

This is all very amusing, this Mars takleef. I am posting this for the laughter quotient onlee.
One of the greatest wins of the Indians in this successful MOM launch is a spectacular PR campaign. Trumping China, India is now the first Asian country to send MOM to space in what is possibly the lowest price point. This does not have just political mileage, it has also inspired the imagination of India’s students, its people and its scientists. It has signalled to the rest of the world that India needs to shed its image as a country of serial genocides and homeless and unhygienic cities and towns. It wanted to reinforce the image of a country where even the skies are no limit. This was also staged at a time when US-India relations are entering a new era. It certainly does not hurt to have MOM in the pocket when negotiating for more leverage as an emerging power.

Moreover, it signals that the previously launched India Shining campaign and the new Made in India campaign has real horse power behind it and that, indeed, its scientists can do it on their own. Half of the world’s battles can be won by national pride. But not all. If one probes, MOM has limited sensors and the data it will collect will be of equally limited scientific use.
On the other hand, Pakistan does need to not just shed the image of being a poor country or a poorly managed country
Likewise, lndia cannot just get away with a feather in its PR cap. This region houses the world’s largest number of malnourished, poor and diseased people, particularly women, children and the old. Poor-friendly projects also need attention and it would be wonderful if the rat race were about that than about weapons, contracts and nuclear stockpiles.
Yes, quite amusing, these baby-RAPEttes spouting their wisdom at India. If only they were randomly made the undisputed elite of a benighted and ignorant country and have all their material comforts and luxuries taken care of so that they will be free to raise up their fellow-humans with their superior knowledge and intellect...
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

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Timing of talks with Hurriyat was not right: Sartaj Aziz


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

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Kashmir at the core - Dawn Editorial
SPEAKING at the UN General Assembly session on Friday was a Nawaz Sharif different to the one who had earned much flak from the hawks in Pakistan for his India vision of a few years ago.

He was then an opposition leader who wanted to present himself as a moderate Pakistani politician. Now he is a prime minister who must represent his state’s interests which are made up of much more than a politician’s wishes.

Pakistan and India are back at a place from where they have to build from scratch. And if internal Pakistani dynamics, such as Mr Sharif’s tenuous ties with the security establishment, have contributed to the responses today, India’s desire, under Prime Minister Narendra Modi, to act as an ‘emerging superpower’ has also deterred dialogue between the two countries.

Last month’s cancellation of the foreign secretary-level talks by New Delhi, which deplored Pakistan’s contacts with leaders from India-held Kashmir, had heralded the suspension.

In fact, the ground was being prepared for that eventuality and recent engagement between the two countries, when not cold, has been too heated. There were far too many incidents of firing on the Pakistan-India frontier if we are to cite just one significant reason for the deterioration in ties — and the gifts the two prime ministers exchanged were too bereft of substance to be of any long-term value.

Pakistan’s stance on Kashmir is based on a solid principle. The emphasis has varied, but Kashmir has been very much there influencing attitudes at the talks even when it was being kept out for the sake of confidence-building.

On its part, New Delhi has also stuck to its guns over the disputed territory. Consequently, dialogue, which is always the best way forward and which in this case was kept going not least by the efforts of international powers, has been under constant threat. The basic reason for this engagement in recent times was that in a changed world, Pakistan and India could not continue their hostile ways if they hoped to keep pace with economic development.

For many on this side of the border, the increasing insistence by Mr Modi’s India to dictate is rooted in the belief that India today is economically powerful enough for international players to side with it — tacitly and openly.

That would mean greater pressure on Pakistan which has an image problem {hear all you kafir, it is only an image problem that Pakistan suffers from; there is no terrorism; there is no Army which sets the tone; there is no lack of vision; there is no sectarian problem; there is no no sub-nationalism; there is no fundamentalism. It is just an image problem and it will go away soon} and a host of economic problems to deal with. But this formula disregards the fact that Islamabad cannot ignore or compromise on Kashmir.
There is no denying that Kashmir is a central issue, but the only way it can be dealt with is by including the Kashmiris in the discussion — rather than using them to sustain nationalistic refrains. That fact must not be lost sight of.
Pakistan is quite prepared to go down. Nothing is going to change its determination. Everyone and sundry sees the writing clearly on the wall, except Pakistan.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

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gandharva wrote:Timing of talks with Hurriyat was not right: Sartaj Aziz
We should make them realize that.
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You heard Nawaz, and before that Baby Bhutto. You also heard Yasin Malik. And finally we watched and heard Modi's UN speech. What are we celebrating ?

All those who thought 'acche din aane wale hain', better get your containers ready - it is going to be a long wait...

And someone mentioned ISI chief being looked at for improving US-Pak relations - our situation is not much better - the NSA is looking after foreign affairs, defense and internal security.

Who is looking after India ? Modi, NSA, some big businessmen, some US NRIs and some shadowy ideologues in RSS. Where is the transparent decision making ? Where is the responsibility with power ? Who are these people ? What do they have in mind ? What do they plan for India for the future ?

Among our present cabinet, I can recall the names of Modi, AJ, Sushma and Rajnath. I don't remember, remembering such a short list of cabinet ministers, ever. Where are the other ministers ? What are they planning and doing ?

If we see some positive change in our policy towards China, it will be because of prompting by the US and Japan.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

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SSridhar wrote: CRS, thanks for that news about Sartaj Aziz on NDTV because I simply do not watch it. I also do not watch any programme anywhere which included that Karbala Brahmin, Barkha Dutt.
+100000
same here.
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SSridhar wrote:Of Mars & Metro Buses - Ayisha, DT anal-ysis

Likewise, lndia cannot just get away with a feather in its PR cap. This region houses the world’s largest number of malnourished, poor and diseased people, particularly women, children and the old. Poor-friendly projects also need attention and it would be wonderful if the rat race were about that than about weapons, contracts and nuclear stockpiles.
She forgot to mention toilets, where would Pakistan be without toilets ?

Toilets and food(nourishment) are central to Pakistan. Food produces Rapettes, & Rapettes produce what is dropped into toilets.
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