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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby JayS » 05 Aug 2014 10:01

Why would BRF have this news linked on its home page?? Its clearly just mud-slinging and not written in good spirit.


IAF, Army again ground 'indigenous' Dhruv copters after fatal crash

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=21177

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 21 Sep 2014 06:52

Cross post
NRao wrote:http://www.samachar.com/IAF-AN32-crash-lands-in-Chandigarh-no-casualties-ojvaK0jegch.html

The aircraft, which was coming back from Jammu and Kashmir after dropping relief supplies to the flood-affected state, broke into three portions as it crash landed and caught fire.

http://www.samachar.com/IAF-AN32-crash- ... jegch.html
Sun, Sep 21, 2014 00:24 hrs

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shubham » 21 Sep 2014 08:57

Naval Chetak Helicopter crashes near Mumbai (18 Sep) . No fatal injuries to crew .

http://eprahaar.in/chetak-helicopter-cr ... n-alibaug/

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby member_20067 » 22 Sep 2014 06:11

shiv wrote:Cross post

The aircraft, which was coming back from Jammu and Kashmir after dropping relief supplies to the flood-affected state, broke into three portions as it crash landed and caught fire
http://www.samachar.com/IAF-AN32-crash- ... jegch.html

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby member_20067 » 01 Oct 2014 09:20

IAF chopper went down near Bareilly --- 3 feared dead.. :(... hoping it is not a Dhrub.. :(

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby putnanja » 01 Oct 2014 09:34

Prithwiraj wrote:IAF chopper went down near Bareilly --- 3 feared dead.. :(... hoping it is not a Dhrub.. :(


According to some tweet I saw, it was a cheetah.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Nikhil T » 01 Oct 2014 10:14

Confirmed Cheetah. NDTV Source

RIP brave souls.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby manjgu » 01 Oct 2014 14:19

a chopper which went down some time back was also from Bareilly ??

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby saje » 02 Oct 2014 12:34

manjgu wrote:a chopper which went down some time back was also from Bareilly ??


...and it went down in a similar fashion as well. Fuel adulteration maybe?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby member_20453 » 02 Oct 2014 16:25

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/iaf ... 78465.html

A Jag crashes yesterday too. Bad day. I think high time to finalize re-engine deal for Jag

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby ravip » 02 Oct 2014 16:59

Strange but When it happens it happens in 3.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby rohitvats » 02 Oct 2014 18:21

The chopper which crashed was a Cheetah from army while Dhruv was from air force. One of the pilots in the recent Cheetah crash is from my native place. Sigh!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby kmkraoind » 14 Oct 2014 17:41

NEERAJ RAJPUT @neeraj_rajput: IAF Sukhoi-30 aircrash in Pune both pilots safe @abpnewstv

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby RajD » 14 Oct 2014 17:49

BREAKING NEWS - SU-30-MKI GOES DOWN NEAR PUNE. BOTH THE PILOTS ARE SAFE.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby anand_sankar » 14 Oct 2014 18:30

One of the first images from the crash site, posted by someone on FB. The airframe looks remarkably intact.

https://www.facebook.com/hobbyflyers/photos/a.294530200703498.1073741829.294211110735407/368528176637033/?type=1&theater

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby SagarAg » 14 Oct 2014 18:50

Kudos to the IAF pilots. From first look, it seems the pilots tried everything they could before ejecting. The body of the jet is more or less intact and also they crashed away from population.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Indranil » 14 Oct 2014 19:07

Thank god the pilot's are safe. That plane is most probably salvage-able. It happens very rarely when the pilot(s) eject(s) but the plane lands itself. Example: Cornfield Bomber

But this picture is very interesting. It is almost looks like the pilot's stayed with the plane as long as possible. The tried everything: flaps are down, the air brake was deployed (and torn off), parachute's deployed. Tried to land on it's belly? Possible failure of left engine?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby girish.r » 14 Oct 2014 19:22

indranilroy wrote:Thank god the pilot's are safe. That plane is most probably salvage-able. It happens very rarely when the pilot(s) eject(s) but the plane lands itself. Example: Cornfield Bomber

But this picture is very interesting. It is almost looks like the pilot's stayed with the plane as long as possible. The tried everything: flaps are down, the air brake was deployed (and torn off), parachute's deployed. Tried to land on it's belly? Possible failure of left engine?


Yes seems like the pilots stayed with it to ensure a safety on ground.

Check the engine nozzles, seems like asymmetric thrust due to flameout?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby anand_sankar » 14 Oct 2014 19:38

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2014/10/photos-from-su-30-crash-site-offers-big.html

LiveFist has more pictures now.

Kudos to the pilots, an intact airframe is going to make the investigation of the crash easy peasey!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shaun » 14 Oct 2014 19:56

A Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft crashed at Wadegaon near Wagholi, outskirts of Pune. Both the pilots managed to bail out safely from the aircraft that crashed soon after taking off from Lohegaon airbase. This is 5th crash of Su-30 MKIImage
courtesy : IBN
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The jet appears to be SB 050 from 20th Squadron "Lightnings" based at Lohegaon Air base in Pune. The aircraft is from 3rd batch, 2002 and is not HAL manufactured .

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby bharats » 28 Oct 2014 19:47

IAF reviews its flight safety performance
Link: http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/iaf ... 87720.html

New Delhi: Highlighting the need for safe and result-oriented operations, top officials of the Indian Air Force on Monday reviewed the flight safety performance of the force with focus on handling airborne emergencies. Addressing the annual Aerospace Safety Council meeting held at Air Force Station in Palam here today, AOC-in-C Air Marshal SS Soman AVSM VM highlighted the need for continued prioritisation of safe and result oriented operations.

The Headquarters Western Air Command also took stock of its operational and flight safety performance. The IAF flies close to two and a half lakh hours per year of which Western Air Command share is more than 25 per cent, a statement issued here said.

The quorum comprised senior functionaries of the HQ WAC and field commanders of its airbases. DG (Inspection & Safety) Air Marshal S Neelakantan YSM VM reviewed the Flight Safety performance of the IAF with focus on situation handling and dealing with airborne emergencies. The incident and accident rate has been showing a steady decline in the last 10 years, however, a word of caution was sounded by SASO Air Marshal BS Dhanoa YSM VM so as "not to let the guard down".

Bird hits remains a cause of accidents and needs the effective participation of the district administration at most places, they said. The Airospace Safety conference comes close on the heels of the recently concluded Commanders conference of the IAF.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby VishalJ » 27 Jan 2015 15:04

VayuSena MiG-27 crashes near Barmer at 3.05PM - Pilot Safe

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby BajKhedawal » 27 Jan 2015 19:34

Eleventh person dies in hospital after Spain plane crash

Jan 27 (Reuters) - A French serviceman who was severely injured when a plane crashed at a Spanish military air base on Monday died in hospital in Madrid on Tuesday, bringing the death toll from the accident to 11 people, a ministry of defence spokesman said.

"A French serviceman died this morning at La Paz Hospital," said a spokesman.

The accident occurred at a base used for NATO training when a Greek F-16 fighter plane crashed after taking off in Albacete, Castilla-La Mancha, about 250 kilometres south-east of Madrid.

The plane hit French and Italian planes and service personnel in the parking area.


Do we know what French and Italian planes got halled?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby RajD » 31 Jan 2015 19:44

Bad news folks.
Mig21 crashes near Jamnagar this evening, pilot ejected safely.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Karan M » 31 Jan 2015 23:35

If the pilot is truly safe, thats good news enough.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby wig » 02 Feb 2015 11:36

Army Cheetah Helicopter crashes in Dimapur , Nagaland; mercifully nobody is injured

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/armys-ch ... red-736360
The army aviation chopper was on a routine sortie when it crashed nose down from a height of about 10-12 feet on the ground at 9.30 am

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby wig » 11 Feb 2015 20:27

Army helicopter crashes in Bandipur, j&k

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby HKumar » 11 Feb 2015 21:32

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor

Army pilots killed in Dhruv crash in J&K are Lt Col Rajesh Gulati & Maj Tahir Khan. Latter reportedly wed three months ago. Unspeakably sad.


RIP

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Khalsa » 12 Feb 2015 00:23

Dammit
Rest in peace you brave souls

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Nikhil T » 12 Feb 2015 04:48

RIP brave pilots and thanks for your service to the country.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Surya » 12 Feb 2015 08:06

Sad :( RIP pilots

is it a cheetah or dhruv?

Aroor says Dhruv

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby wig » 12 Feb 2015 10:32

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/dhruv-cra ... lots-dead/

The helicopter was a HAL Dhruv being operated by Army Aviation. It appears to have flown into a mountain 1920 IST leading to the deaths of the two pilots.
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Sources said that at around 7.20 p.m. the helicopter struck the mountains leading to fire. However, they said that actual cause of the crash will be found by the inquiry. Police is investigating the matter.
The pilot has been identified as Lt Colonel Gulathi and co-pilot as Major Tahir Khan. The helicopter belonging to 202 Squadron had taken off from a Dhru army aviation base at Mansbal and was on training sortie.
A Srinagar based army spokesman said that Army Aviation Helicopter crashed at Safapora Heights while it was on a night flying training sortie. “The helicopter had taken off at about 7 pm from Manasbal base and the contact was lost after 40 minutes of flying. Search and rescue mission revealed that two officers, both pilots, suffered fatal casualties in the accident”, he said.


I pray that God grants peace to the departed souls and strength to the bereaved families to cope with this irreparable loss.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shaun » 12 Feb 2015 16:57

IAF crash investigation report don't come online so we can only speculate , below are the two BSF Dhruv crash report prepared by DGCA

ACCIDENT TO BSF (AIR WING) DHRUV HELICOPTER VT-BSH
AT KUNTI VILLAGE, NEAR RANCHI ON 19th Oct 2011


Investigation revealed that the accident was caused due to loss of Situational
Awareness wherein the flight crew got spatially disorientated. As a result, the
helicopter went beyond the flight envelope exceeding its structural limits and thereby
leading to failure of the rotor system. The Pilot had inadvertently entered clouds
while executing a turn to return back to the base for a cautionary landing, due to ‘Tail
Gear Box Hot’ warning. The route weather was marginal. The contributory factors for
the accident were inadequacies in IF experience, training/ knowledge of aircraft
systems and failure of Cockpit Resource Management. ALH being a recent induction
in PHHL, crew’s experience on type was limited which hindered effective use of
onboard systems for a recovery. HAL’s product support to the aircraft operator and
monitoring its sub contractor activities were considered inadequate.

ACCIDENT TO BSF (AIR WING) DHRUV HELICOPTER VT-BSN
AT RAIPUR AIRPORTON 15th JAN 2012


Investigations revealed that the accident was caused due to loss of Situational
Awareness wherein the helicopter entered Vortex Ring during descent in OGE hover.
Excessive lowering of Collective Pitch had resulted in high rate of descent which led to
onset of the condition. The situation was not comprehended and the pilot raised
Collective lever to arrest the sink, without breaking the Vortex Ring state. This led to
intensification of vortices and thus increasing the rate of descent. The helicopter
continued to descend and impacted ground uncontrolled. Inadequate knowledge of
onboard systems and fixation to speculated failures were contributory factors.
Inadequacies in training, consolidation and Cockpit Resource Management were other
contributory factors. The Flight Crew had not undergone Simulator Training

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby vasu raya » 14 Feb 2015 21:24

compiling CFIT related accidents from the recent past,

Mig-29 into the mountain, conditions: night time flying
An-32 in the NE, foggy weather
C-130 crash in day light
Mi-17 in Arunachal in foggy weather
Another Mi-17 in Uttarakhand in foggy weather
A Jaguar on a training sortie during day light

the point is after platform Obsolescence and engine trouble causes, CFIT is the most causative

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Surya » 25 Mar 2015 07:44

hate to be the one who posts this
Navy Dornier goes down

1 crew rescued - search going on for other 2

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shreeman » 25 Mar 2015 18:16

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TFTA flight data recorder after unkind contact with ground.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby anand_sankar » 25 Mar 2015 23:38

The design has done its job. It must have been subjected to its maximum force or more. The aircraft looks like slammed into the mountain at Mach 0.9.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shreeman » 26 Mar 2015 17:39

Not sure you can call it "done its job". Crashworthiness score seems to be less than perfect here.

Sure, the storage didnt explode, but it doesnt seem to have had much of a safety margin left either. Recall that these are placed where such a flight into terrain would not cause them to be so badly mangled. The nose took the impact, not this part, and nothing says so far that it was at M0.9 (at least where I read) when it crashed either. It should have come out in a better shape than this.


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