Intelligence and National Security Discussion

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby RoyG » 14 Oct 2014 18:58

Mamata has become really dangerous for the entire region. She is an opportunist and has allied with the islamists. A hindu backlash is coming in WB and the offensive against the Islamists must be taken into Bangladesh. What happens here is more important than what happens to Pakistan.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Shrinivasan » 15 Oct 2014 10:21

rakall wrote:Article 356 !!
Article370 is the special status to J&K which we must scrap..
My bad... thanks for it... it has not been used in a long time and so i forgot... editing my previous post... thanks again

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Shrinivasan » 16 Oct 2014 14:08


An excellent video on the occasion of the 30th raising day of the NSG in Manesar, Haryana.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Prabu » 16 Oct 2014 14:37

My understanding about the KS Garu's Kargil commitee report was almost all recommendations were implemented except two. But this new report suggests some thing else ! Guru's Can clarify !! :eek:

Reforming India's higher defence management: Will Modi bite the bullet?


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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Nikhil T » 17 Oct 2014 11:42

More news from Mamata's West Bengal
Huge cache of explosives and hand grenades seized in WB's Burdwan

Burdwan: National Security Guard (NSG) and National Investigation Agency (NIA) officials on Friday seized a large stockpile of crude hand grenades, socket bombs and explosives from a house in Burdwan district of West Bengal where suspected militant Rejaul Karim used to stay.

The central security agencies found the explosives from a secret loft constructed after cutting the wall of a bathroom in Rezaul's place.

The recovery was made when the investigators were searching the house of Rejaul located at Mathpara on Badsahi Road near Khagragarh where the accidental explosion on October 2 killed two persons.

Security officials defused the bombs at the banks of Damodar river in Burdwan area.

A NIA team on Thursday had searched the areas surrounding a madarsa in Simulia near the explosion site. Two women, who are now in NIA custody, were radicalised in violent Jihadi ideology at the madarsa.

The blast occurred in a house in Khagragarh area killing two suspected Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen militants and injuring another. Several people including the two women have been arrested in this connection.

As part of its investigation, NIA had on Wednesday conducted searches at various places including the residence and shop of the arrested accused Hashem Moulla alias Badre Alam in Burdwan.

Besides arresting six people in Bengal and six others from Assam in connection with the incident, NIA sleuths have also interrogated three people in Chennai.

The Director General of NSG Jayant Choudhury, Thursday, warned of a joint plan by al Qaeda and ISIS to target Indian cities.

Speaking to reporters after NSG's 30th raising day celebrations, Choudhury said, “Now that they (al Qaeda) have declared an intention to attack India, they might combine with outfits like Lashkar-e-Toiba, ISIS and Indian Mujahideen.”



Guess the state police is not even capable of destroying evidence correctly?

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 17 Oct 2014 11:52

That is why they are trusted to do that job by didi.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby srin » 17 Oct 2014 12:23

The presence of NSG is very interesting. Maybe it is routine to have NSG because they have expertise in bomb defusing or maybe is far more - the NIA doesn't have any trust in the local police and this is an official declaration of it.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Shrinivasan » 17 Oct 2014 12:25

Srin, NSG was not present in Bongla. NSG DG was talking to press in Manesar in connection with raising day.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby chaanakya » 17 Oct 2014 15:35

Yes NSG Team is present in WB in connection with Burdhaman Case. It has defused 25 Gde found in one of the absconding accused.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby member_28714 » 17 Oct 2014 15:40

chaanakya wrote:Yes NSG Team is present in WB in connection with Burdhaman Case. It has defused 25 Gde found in one of the absconding accused.


NSG is a security force while NIA is an investigating agency. The NSG accompanied the team to provide security cover considering it seems to be terrorist infested. Part of the NSG's work is to neutralize explosives, be it live terror scenario or a combing operation.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 17 Oct 2014 16:01

The NSG accompanied the team to provide security cover considering it seems to be terrorist infested


The NSG holds this country's explosive forensic database. They arnt only muscle. They also aid the NIA in the investigation.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 17 Oct 2014 16:03

The NSG also maintains the country's most competent investigation arm when it comes to explosives/IEDs etc.


NSG team starts investigation

http://www.kolkatatoday.com/nsg-team-starts-their-investigation-in-burdwan-blast-case/

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Shrinivasan » 17 Oct 2014 19:25

RKhanna, the farticle got the order wrong... NIA is conducting the investigation, NSG is assisting it withperforming the forensics of the explosives...or whatever is remaining of it after the evidence was destroyed by WB cops.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby rakall » 17 Oct 2014 19:35

Shrinivasan wrote:RKhanna, the farticle got the order wrong... NIA is conducting the investigation, NSG is assisting it withperforming the forensics of the explosives...or whatever is remaining of it after the evidence was destroyed by WB cops.


NSG is helping with search operations (detectors, sniffer dogs etc),forensics, & controlled detonation of explosives..

BSF has also been tasked to assist NIA in combing operations as local police completely not cooperating with investigations... heard that WB police are not even ready to provide lockup facilities to hold arrested suspects..

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 17 Oct 2014 20:04

srin wrote:The presence of NSG is very interesting. Maybe it is routine to have NSG because they have expertise in bomb defusing or maybe is far more - the NIA doesn't have any trust in the local police and this is an official declaration of it.

NSG runs the 'national bomb data centre' and has some of the best IED experts in the country.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 18 Oct 2014 03:44

What is a socket bomb? Any pictures?

I guess they use a pipe socket as the metal casing. But whats the advantage? shrapnel?

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 18 Oct 2014 11:10

most likely it's because the pipe would retain structural integrity and focus the explosion towards the openings. a directional bomb so to speak.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 18 Oct 2014 14:02

nabbing India's most wanted terrorist mastermind.

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... less-india

read it all.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 18 Oct 2014 20:17

Confirms UPA was a terrorist supporting group.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Ardeshir » 18 Oct 2014 23:45

Wow, I am filled with gratitude to those fine officers! Not only risking their lives, but also putting in their own money to nab these bious scum.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Sumair » 20 Oct 2014 15:14

Rahul M wrote:nabbing India's most wanted terrorist mastermind.

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... less-india

read it all.

This article only gives about 15 to 20 percent of the actual details and written with great deal of constraints not to show the higher up officer in too much negative light. The actual accounts were much more thrilling, but also disgraceful at the inaptitude of the entire government apparatus. If wasn’t for the personal initiative and efforts of the officers involved, Bhatkal would still be out there killing innocent Indians. They basically had no support from anyone and even had to enter Nepal and conduct the entire operation without any government of India issued weapons as to not make an international incident if things went wrong.
And of course after the fact all the fat cats wanted to grab the credit.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Ankit Desai » 20 Oct 2014 19:21

Sumair wrote:This article only gives about 15 to 20 percent of the actual details and written with great deal of constraints not to show the higher up officer in too much negative light. The actual accounts were much more thrilling,............


Hi Sumair,

Can you post source/s, URLs of other details. It will be interesting read.

-Ankit

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby member_25399 » 20 Oct 2014 19:35

Sumair,
Being a public forum, cannot ask for everything, but small details would be interesting.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 20 Oct 2014 19:44

I know sumair. the country owes a lot to these people who are perpetually at war to protect India from her enemies.

the weapon thing is understandable though, given our relation with Nepal.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 20 Oct 2014 21:54

In any normal country the admin and political bosses who did not support the team would have been tried and shot for treason.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Sumair » 20 Oct 2014 22:30

Ankit Desai wrote:
Sumair wrote:This article only gives about 15 to 20 percent of the actual details and written with great deal of constraints not to show the higher up officer in too much negative light. The actual accounts were much more thrilling,............


Hi Sumair,

Can you post source/s, URLs of other details. It will be interesting read.

-Ankit

Friends there are no URLs for corroboration. I just have second hand details from the individuals involved, but cannot name them for obvious repercussions. Even this article should never have been published as the operation should and would have remained secret, if not for the “fat cats” stumbling over each other to claim undue and undeserved credit, with scant regard to the national security. There was a treasure trove of information and leads with the team that could have lead to many more arrests if not for the public announcement of the arrests by the “fat cats” trying to claim the credit.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Sumair » 20 Oct 2014 22:59

Akshay Kapoor wrote:In any normal country the admin and political bosses who did not support the team would have been tried and shot for treason.

The Bihar government let alone commend its officers, wanted no part of Bhatkal and wanted him out of the state in order not to antagonize the Muslim voters. They were furious at the involvement of Bihar police but were helpless to reprimand them right away, but have managed to eventually.
And the IB team was being shunted to north east if not in the change of government.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Sumair » 20 Oct 2014 23:21

There is a big problem with the present set up in our country. Police, intelligence, paramilitary and investigative agencies should be delinked from civil service structured examinations and should come up through the ranks. People occupying the decision making positions who come through civil services, don’t have the aptitude or the attitude for the job, as evidenced in this operation; SP Vinay kumar of Bihar police being an extreme and lucky exception.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Karan M » 20 Oct 2014 23:31

And folks wonder why there was so much contempt for the UPA gang of corrupt sods who were always ready to sell the nation down the river

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 21 Oct 2014 05:19

Really guys get off the Burkha Dutt mode of inquiry.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 21 Oct 2014 11:11

In any normal country the admin and political bosses who did not support the team would have been tried and shot for treason.


Unfortunately almost every country (from all that i have read) has a similar trend between Civilian leadership/Bureaucrats and operators/Intel officers. Just read all the stuff coming out of the Bengazi Debacale and hundreds other coming out Iraq/Astan

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby vinod » 22 Oct 2014 19:47

Muslim youths get free coaching to prepare for IB officers' exam
KOZHIKODE: In an attempt to remove misconceptions and integrate the community further into the mainstream, an educational society is offering sponsored coaching to Muslim youths to help them join the Intelligence Bureau (IB), the nation's premier internal intelligence-gathering agency.

Al Ameen Educational and Charitable Society, based here, has tied up with Enlight Study Circle, a professional entrance coaching centre, to enable candidates from the minority community crack the upcoming exams for 750 vacancies of Assistant Central Intelligence Officer-Grade II posts in the IB. It is offering cash scholarship for the 45-day coaching programme.

"The number of Muslims in the rolls of IB is dismal; as per our information it is just around 2%. We also feel that under-representation of Muslims in the agency could be a reason why sometimes the agency is perceived as anti-Muslim. Having more Muslims will surely make the agency more inclusive and truly representative," Shahid Thiruvalloor, secretary of Al Ameen Educational Society, said.

According to National Commission for Minorities the percentage of Muslims in security agencies is around 4%. The Sachar Committee report had found that in India as a whole, Muslims are under-represented in the police — just 6% of police constables and 4% in the IPS.

"Our coaching programme is open for candidates from all religions and communities. But Al Ameen is giving financial sponsorship to students from the Muslim community which will cover part of the course expense," said T K Abhijith, a trainer with Enlight.

Candidates aged between 18-27 years are eligible for the IB exam, which has two papers. Paper I focuses on general awareness/general knowledge, reasoning, comprehension, mathematical ability etc, while Paper 2 will be designed to check English writing skill and analytical capability. It will be followed by an interview and successful candidates will have to clear character and antecedent verification, and medical examination.


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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby member_25399 » 22 Oct 2014 22:23

^^^^^
This is not representation, its called penetration. :lol:

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby PratikDas » 22 Oct 2014 22:43

gauravsh wrote:^^^^^
This is not representation, its called penetration. :lol:

Even Ajit Doval said that we need the support of the Indian Muslim community for effective intelligence gathering.

Watch from 54:25.



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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Nikhil T » 22 Oct 2014 23:19

High time RAW is scrutinized or else it will become an unaccountable fiefdom of some.

Tent scam: CBI lodges case against unknown RAW officials

It is alleged that officials in Cabinet Secretariat and SFF repeatedly showed favours in the supply of pre-fabricated shelters for SFF at high altitude locations causing undue gain of several crores to the suppliers during 2009-13.

The CBI action came after the agency received a reference received from the Prime Minister's Office which wanted a probe in the matter.

RAW had carried out an internal probe in the matter in which prima facie irregularities were found.

The report was sent to the PMO which referred it to CBI for further probe.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby member_25399 » 22 Oct 2014 23:49

PratikDas wrote:
gauravsh wrote:^^^^^
This is not representation, its called penetration. :lol:

Even Ajit Doval said that we need the support of the Indian Muslim community for effective intelligence gathering.

We need those who want to work for a cause to work for the Indian cause, not the Talibani one.


You are missing the key point - One has to volunteer to join such services.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby PratikDas » 22 Oct 2014 23:57

gauravsh wrote:
PratikDas wrote:Even Ajit Doval said that we need the support of the Indian Muslim community for effective intelligence gathering.

We need those who want to work for a cause to work for the Indian cause, not the Talibani one.


You are missing the key point - One has to volunteer to join such services.

It still seems voluntary to me, only that the coaching is being funded. Since their activities are common knowledge, I doubt there is any security concern.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby KiranM » 23 Oct 2014 04:50

gauravsh wrote:
PratikDas wrote:We need those who want to work for a cause to work for the Indian cause, not the Talibani one.


You are missing the key point - One has to volunteer to join such services.

There are organizations that coach students for SSB interviews and some philantropists who sponsor some candidates for Armed Forces. It is in the same vein albeit sponsorship for a particular community to improve their national contribution. We should avoid reverse pseudo-secularism.


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