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Today longish interview but good read

100 questions to the Russian president in the TASS special project Top Officials

Vladimir Putin: We are strong because we are right

excerpts

As soon as Russia rises to its feet, gets stronger and claims its right to defend its interests outside its territory, the attitude to the state and its leaders changes in the twinkle of an eye. Recall how it was with Boris Nikolayevich (Yeltsin). In the first stages, the world approved everything. The West received everything he did with unequivocal cheers. But as soon as he spoke up in defense of Yugoslavia, he immediately turned into a drinker and a carrier of all vices in the mind of the Westerners. :lol:

It’s an open secret, of course, that Yeltsin loved to give himself a damp. And was there anyone who did not know about it before? Everyone knew it, but it did not hinder his contacts with the world. And as soon as the moment came to defend Russia’s interests in the Balkans and he stated it openly, he turned almost into an enemy of the West. Such was the reality in not so distant past. And I have fresh memories of it.

- It turns out that you were right when you said that after Gandhi’s death, there had been no one to talk to.

- You understand, I said this with a certain irony.
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German foreign minister speaks out against Ukraine joining NATO

German position is different from US one which says its up to Ukraine to join NATO or not.
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http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/state-wo ... z3JzhQTgOH
The idea of Germany having an independent national strategy runs counter to everything that Germany has wanted to be since World War II and everything the world has wanted from Germany. In a way, the entire structure of modern Europe was created to take advantage of Germany's economic dynamism while avoiding the threat of German domination. In writing about German strategy, I am raising the possibility that the basic structure of Western Europe since World War II and of Europe as a whole since 1991 is coming to a close.

If so, then the question is whether historical patterns of German strategy will emerge or something new is coming. It is, of course, always possible that the old post-war model can be preserved. Whichever it is, the future of German strategy is certainly the most important question in Europe and quite possibly in the world.


In the meantime, the basic framework of Europe has changed since 1991. Russia remains a shadow of the Soviet Union, but it has become a major exporter of natural gas. Germany depends on that natural gas even as it searches for alternatives. Russia is badly in need of technology, which Germany has in abundance. Germany does not want to invite in any more immigrants out of fear of instability. However, with a declining population, Germany must do something.

Russia also has a declining population, but even so, it has a surplus of workers, both unemployed and underemployed. If the workers cannot be brought to the factories, the factories can be brought to the workers. In short, there is substantial synergy between the Russian and German economies. Add to this that the Germans feel under heavy pressure from the United States to engage in actions the Germans want to be left out of, while the Russians see the Americans as a threat to their interests, and there are politico-military interests that Germany and Russia have in common.

NATO is badly frayed. The European Union is under tremendous pressure and national interests are now dominating European interests. Germany's ability to use the European Union for economic ends has not dissipated but can no longer be relied on over the long term. Therefore, it follows that Germany must be considering an alternative strategy. Its relationship with Russia is such a strategy.

Germany is not an aggressive power. The foundation of its current strategy is its relationship with France in the context of the European Union. The current French government under President Nicolas Sarkozy is certainly committed to this relationship, but the French political system, like those of other European countries, is under intense pressure. The coming elections in France are uncertain, and the ones after that are even less predictable. The willingness of France to engage with Germany, which has a massive trade imbalance with France, is an unknown.

However, Germany's strategic interest is not necessarily a relationship with France but a relationship with either France or Russia to avoid being surrounded by hostile powers. For Germany, a relationship with Russia does as well as one with France. An ideal situation for Germany would be a Franco-German-Russian entente. Such an alliance has been tried in the past, but its weakness is that it would provide too much security to Germany, allowing it to be more assertive. Normally, France and Russia have opposed Germany, but in this case, it is certainly possible to have a continuation of the Franco-German alliance or a Russo-French alliance. Indeed, a three-way alliance might be possible as well.

Germany's current strategy is to preserve the European Union and its relationship with France while drawing Russia closer into Europe. The difficulty of this strategy is that Germany's trade policies are difficult for other European countries to manage, including France. If Germany faces an impossible situation with the European Union, the second strategic option would be a three-way alliance, with a modified European Union or perhaps outside of the EU structure. If France decides it has other interests, such as its idea of a Mediterranean Union, then a German-Russian relationship becomes a real possibility.

A German-Russian relationship would have the potential to tilt the balance of power in the world. The United States is currently the dominant power, but the combination of German technology and Russian resources — an idea dreamt of by many in the past — would become a challenge on a global basis. Of course, there are bad memories on both sides, and trust in the deepest sense would be hard to come by. But although alliances rely on trust, it does not necessarily have to be deep-seated trust.

Germany's strategy, therefore, is still locked in the EU paradigm. However, if the EU paradigm becomes unsupportable, then other strategies will have to be found. The Russo-German relationship already exists and is deepening. Germany thinks of it in the context of the European Union, but if the European Union weakens, Russia becomes Germany's natural alternative.

The article being two years old but points out exactly why the Ukraine crisis was made out to be.
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SajeevJino wrote:.

some Press release from US today ..despite Republicans pressure to obama send military aid to Ukraine

Deal to supply mortar locater Radar 20 nos for 118 million dollars

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=123700
Those counter-battery radars are going to cause the Russians a lot of grief. Already estimates of Russian dead in the conflict range from 2000-4000 KIA. Ukrainian military losses are by most accounts at least twice that number, despite the official figures from Kiev which no one believes (especially the Ukrainian soldiers themselves).

Look for a lot more Russian bodybags coming back in trucks as their artillery advantage is nullified.

This is an interesting precedent as it shows the US is not going to shy away from arming Ukraine (even absent a Russian invasion), defying predictions here and from many analysts. It's now clear the US is going to openly defy the Russians and arm Ukraine anyway. The Russians should have crushed these Euro-Pakis when they had the chance.
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How many missiles does it take to 'take out' $118M worth of mortar locator radars? I think this may well be the tipping point for a vodka bottle procession all the way to Kiev. Then again, the US may be using the $118M to trigger all-out war and a NATO intervention.

I wonder why Hagel resigned, don't you? He is a Vietnam Vet and very anti-misadventure. I think the White House is absolutely honest when they say that Hagel's exit had NOTHING to do with Eyerak.
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but but ..Ukraine May be in NATO soon


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30176256
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Many European Nations wont agree to Ukraine Joining NATO , Germany already said so and for any Nations to join NATO all members should agree.

The Europeans are already in recession and they really dont want any further headache
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UlanBatori wrote:How many missiles does it take to 'take out' $118M worth of mortar locator radars? I think this may well be the tipping point for a vodka bottle procession all the way to Kiev. Then again, the US may be using the $118M to trigger all-out war and a NATO intervention.

I wonder why Hagel resigned, don't you? He is a Vietnam Vet and very anti-misadventure. I think the White House is absolutely honest when they say that Hagel's exit had NOTHING to do with Eyerak.
Well the Europeans are already fed up of this and they have an imminent recession this year.

Merkel said last week Europe security is not possible without Russia participation. German foreign minister opposing Ukraine in NATO.

Now this is just a start like call it appetiser .....there is an entire Ukraine Economy that they have to support in coming years which is like well Good Luck with that without Russian Support.

Hungary and Serbia are not willing to sanction Russian inspite of EU pressure and Italy is just fed up.

EU right now has too much on its table and they would simply want this to end asap and get the Monkey ( Ukraine ) off its back
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"Hungry" indeed! The "Hunger Games" will soon begin across eastern Europe once Gen.Winter marches in and judging from the current trends,its going to be a long cold one. The EU must be scratching their heads as to how they can economically support a bankrupt UKR,which already owes Russia billions for energy supplies. With almost total support back home,Putin knows that he can continue to act tough and wait for the other side to blink. O'Bumbler is now experiencing the explosion of black anger across the USA over racial issues ,has just "Chucked" his Defence Min. into the dustbin of history after US foreign policy defeats across the ME with the emergence of ISIS,not to mention the drubbing at the hustings losing both the Senate and the House.

It is going to be a circus "Lilliput" from the US who will be chief guest for Republic Day ,sitting next to "Gulliver" Modi!
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No prizes for guessing where Saakashvili is today. In Brooklyn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/world ... .html?_r=0

Thats where Yatseneuk and Poroshenko are likely to go too. And then they can chat as to how well they served their country. US of A.
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are they planing to field the entire US Army 1st Calvary into Baltic Region

http://www.army.mil/article/138877/USAR ... _continue/
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Ukrainian General (ex?)Yan Kazemirovich says it's all the fault of the jewish politicians of Ukraine

he says oligarch Victor Pinchuk was the mastermind and key figurehead in Ukraine. He and kuchma conspired to pull Yanukovich down.
Ukraine today is run by USA using figureheads Pinchuk, Kolomoyskyi, Akhmetov, Firtash

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Use of word " Jewish" is hate speech. Americans puppets yes, this like the left and Pakis blaming Brahmism for all the world's ills.
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^^ Sino-Russian relations in trouble again ?!

Now the Pakis will have to think twice before buying the helos.

:P
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Time for a sharp short war? Looking at maps, troops amassed on both sides... and Choco upping the ante, so to speak.

What bets?
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habal wrote:Ukrainian General (ex?)Yan Kazemirovich says it's all the fault of the jewish politicians of Ukraine

he says oligarch Victor Pinchuk was the mastermind and key figurehead in Ukraine. He and kuchma conspired to pull Yanukovich down.
Ukraine today is run by USA using figureheads Pinchuk, Kolomoyskyi, Akhmetov, Firtash

BTW 70% of Polish cabinet is jewish.............not my words,just overheard a polish guy whining.
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Gen Breedlove Meets Ukraine Leaders ..said You are not alone

https://twitter.com/PMBreedlove/status/ ... 16/photo/1
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https://pp.vk.me/c624324/v624324613/c0e ... laVunU.jpg

Ukrainian militia unit - Azov. No comment.
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look at the Ukrainian general's interview, he says SVOBODA is just a ruse, the real name of that entity is National Socialist Party of Ukraine aka UKBAPZI (Ukrainian Baptist Nazi). Now they can't go around with that name and hide their true history at the same time, so they invented a SVOBODA to cover their true origins and ideological intentions.
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UKBAPZI
Thanks!
As always, PeeAref and UBCC are way ahead. 8)
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a. NATO warning against Crimea militarization.
b. FP magazine recommends that Uk start trying a deal with Russia. And is slightly critical of the difficulty that EU and US are giving Ukraine when its not the ideal situation

US worries that Russia can control Black Sea. Putin says that Russia isn't interested in any geopolitical games.

Mmh.
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vijaykarthik wrote: US worries that Russia can control Black Sea. Putin says that Russia isn't interested in any geopolitical games.
And only provides moral, political, and diplomatic support....
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Looks like "Freedom" is going to percolate up through the Boss-Porous. From Yugoslavia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan....
Where does one find the stock of Portoilets Inc?
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Mikhail Gorbachev on Ukraine (Part 1)



Mikhail Gorbachev on Putin and Freedom of the Press (Part 2)

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Oyel is now in high 60s and headed lower still. Also ukraniya would like some winter fighting. Russiya might or might not oblije.
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Now that OPEC has refused to cut production, it should be an interesting few wks / months fwd.

Russia will feel hard pressed too. US shale will be unviable. EU will grin on the new offer on this - its akin to QE4. But can they take it in their hands and stride fwd? Remains to be seen.

Adv India too as $$ will be potentially saved. Extremely lucky time for the govt and hope they utilize it to the hilt. Dream few months on the oil front!
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vijaykarthik wrote:Now that OPEC has refused to cut production, it should be an interesting few wks / months fwd.

Russia will feel hard pressed too. US shale will be unviable. EU will grin on the new offer on this - its akin to QE4. But can they take it in their hands and stride fwd? Remains to be seen.

Adv India too as $$ will be potentially saved. Extremely lucky time for the govt and hope they utilize it to the hilt. Dream few months on the oil front!

it's our time to fill our Oil Reserves fully
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I agree.When prices are cheap we should make massive buys and stock supplies in caches just as the US has done.What comes down will go up.Just wait for the next conflict crisis in the ME.

Moldovan vote.Close contest,just like the UKR the county is slit down the middle. The tug of war between NATO/US and Russia for control may engneer another crisis similar to that of the UKR in the future.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/n ... ope-russia

Moldova goes to the polls torn between Europe and Russia
Sunday’s elections could decide whether former Soviet nation continues on westward path of last five years or turns back east
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/n ... ope-russia
The small motorcade arrived along potted mud roads and past single-storey peasant homes and pulled up in the village of Parcani, near Moldova’s northern border with Ukraine. Out stepped the prime minister, Iurie Leanca, greeted by a small brass band, and he entered the village hall to try to pitch his vision for the country’s future.

Behind him as he addressed a crowd of around 200 mostly elderly men and women, a banner read “Forward towards a European future”. Two flags were on display, the Moldovan one and that of the EU.

“My strong belief is that 99% of Moldovans, irrespective of ethnicity or the language they speak, are Europeans. We want to get back to the family,” Leanca told the Guardian shortly after the speech. “Why these elections are so critical is that if our opponents win we will see a reversal of everything we’ve done.”

On Sunday Moldova holds parliamentary elections that could decide whether the former Soviet nation continues on the path it has followed for the last five years, towards the EU, or turns back towards Russia. Polls suggest the vote will be close, with the latest showing the pro-EU parties holding a slim majority. Arcadie Barbarosie, executive director of the Institute for Public Policy, a Chisinau-based thinktank, said: “The percentage of undecideds is very high, so it’s difficult to predict the results.”

Moldova, home to a population of 3.5 million, is often described as the poorest country in Europe. Chisinau, the capital, is filled with faded Soviet-era apartment blocks. Beyond the main cities, paved roads quickly disappear. A quarter of the country’s GDP is estimated to come from remittances of Moldovans working abroad, most of them in Russia.

The official language is Romanian, but many Moldovans’ first language is Russian and, like Ukraine, the country is divided between those who feel they are more European and those who feel closer to Russia. Moldova even has its own breakaway self-governing region in the east, Transnistria, where 1,500 Russian soldiers are stationed, the legacy of a 1992 civil war.

Following the last parliamentary elections, in 2009, a coalition of three pro-EU parties formed a working majority in the 101-seat parliament, replacing the Communist party, which had dominated since independence in 1991.

On 27 June this year Moldova, alongside Ukraine and Georgia, signed an association agreement with the EU allowing for greater economic relations and visa-free travel across Europe. Members of the governing coalition saw it as the latest step towards full EU membership, but not all Moldovans were happy. Moscow certainly wasn’t; it would prefer Moldova to become part of its custom union.

Russia has applied strong economic pressure, banning the import of Moldovan wine and then fruit, vegetables and finally meat. Moldova relies on Russia for gas, and in the past Moscow has threatened to cut off supplies unless Chisinau toes the line.

“Yes, the sanctions hurt us,” said Leanca. “We had to look for additional resources to compensate for those who grow apples, prunes, sell meat. The decisions made in Moscow on trade had an immediate impact but in middle and long term they help us to become stronger. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.”

The bigger problem for Leanca and his coalition is domestic dissatisfaction with the government. A weak economy and little progress in dealing with endemic corruption have left many voters disenchanted and looking for a change. Political infighting among the coalition has not helped.

“This government hasn’t done a good job on social issues,” said Vitalie Dorogan, a 41-year-old priest from Soroca, in the north of Moldova, who was undecided on whom to vote for and whether the EU was the right direction. “I think we should stay in the middle. The middle way is also a decision – to have good relations with both, but not joining either.”

Last year the economy grew by 8.9%, the highest rate since independence, but this year growth is expected to be closer to 2%, despite the fact that exports to the EU have offset lost trade with Russia and its allies.


“People are associating the bad economic situation with the EU integration process,” said Adrian Lupusor, executive director of Expert-Grup, an economic thinktank in Chisinau. “They associate the EU with the current government, which is seen as corrupt.” A recent report by the Institute of Public Policy suggested that if Moldovans were to choose between the EU and Russia’s custom union right now, 39% would vote for the former and 43% the latter.


In Parcani, Julita Caruntu, 68, who had come to listen to the prime minister speak, said: “I will vote for Leanca’s Liberal Democrat party. I think he’s a good man, his party has given a lot of help to our village. I am with Europe, I want Moldova to be in European Union.”
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The changing world order.With BRICS taking the lad in a new intl. bank for the developing nations and emerging powrhouses,the Western economic monopoly

Russia
Vladimir Putin’s Eurasian Economic Union gets ready to take on the world
Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus at heart of post-Soviet trading bloc that aspires to commerce but not community

Benoît Vitkine
Guardian Weekly, Tuesday 28 October 2014 10.04 GMT

Ex Soviet state leaders
Leaders of former Soviet states gather for a regional summit in Minsk, Belarus. Photograph: Sasha Mordovets/Getty
Until the last moment Alexander Lukashenko, the president of Belarus, held out for 7 October, to coincide with Vladimir Putin’s birthday. But in the end the parliament in Minsk ratified the treaty on Eurasian Economic Union on 9 October, the day before its first three members – Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan – were due to meet.

It would be simplistic to reduce the nascent EEU to a toy in the hands of the Russian president. When it comes into force, on 1 January 2015, it will be the most advanced organisation for regional cooperation the former Soviet bloc has seen, an achievement preceded by many false starts.


In fact, the EEU already exists. It has a headquarters – a glass building near Paveletsky railway station in Moscow – and officials who would not look out of place in Brussels. Its member states have already lifted some internal customs barriers and harmonised others for the outside world. So much for the practical side, what analyst Nicu Popescu describes in an article for the European Union Institute of Security Studies as the “real” EEU, a trading alliance slated to guarantee free circulation of goods, services and assets, but not hydrocarbons.

The other Eurasian Union is “imaginary”, the brainchild of Putin, first mentioned in October 2011. As he sees it, this organisation will be the equal of the EU and other major regional entities, a powerful bloc that will matter on the world stage. Its official formation is also intended to show the world that Russia has fully recovered, while crowning Putin’s efforts to pull together the states making up the post-Soviet sphere of influence. Those who deride the scheme see it as an attempt to restore the empire.

This dream foundered last November in Kiev, when the Maidan protests started. They carried away President Viktor Yanukovych, guilty in the eyes of the demonstrators of refusing an association agreement with the EU. Ukraine, with its population of 45 million, was supposed to play a key role in the EEU, on account of its economic clout and the place it occupies in the Russian imagination and worldview. “Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire,” the former US national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in The Grand Chessboard, in 1997.

Ukraine had to be punished, for wanting to move closer to Europe but also for refusing to join the EEU, after Yanukovych’s demise. Moscow started by restricting trade with its neighbour, then annexed part of its territory (Crimea) and finally fomented war in its eastern extremity. Russia has also put pressure on Moldova and Georgia, both of which have so far shunned the EEU.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, right, and Kazakhstan’s President Nursultan Nazarbayev. Both Belarus and Kazakhstan demanded subsidies in the form of gas or cash to join the EEU. Photograph: Dmitry Astakhov/AP
Belarus and Kazakhstan have often voiced their concern at the treatment meted out to Ukraine. They have worked to limit the political weight of the Union too. Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev lobbied hard to get the word “economic” in the title and both states demanded a high price – gas or cash – for joining.

Although Putin is determined to push the EEU perimeter as far as possible, it is not yet clear what real economic benefit countries will gain from membership. Apart from Belarus and Uzbekistan, all former Soviet states have stronger commercial links with either the EU or China than with Russia.

Since the first customs measures were introduced in 2010, only Belarus has benefited. Enlargement to include poorer states such as Armenia, Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan would make the balance of the EEU even more precarious.

But what counts for Putin is the image of Russia restored and the bolstered notion of a president embodying a conservative bulwark against western decadence. As Popescu puts it, the Russian president is prepared “to spend a few billion a year on a foreign policy project that, in his opinion, brings geopolitical benefits to his country, as well as domestic political benefits”.

So who else may join? Armenia, which has Russian troops on the ground and is counting on Moscow’s support in its conflict with Azerbaijan over the Nagorno-Karabakh region, has announced plans to join shortly. The president of Kyrgyzstan, tipped to be next on the list, has displayed only lukewarm enthusiasm, a stance he made clear in December 2013: “Ukraine has a choice, but unfortunately we don’t have much of an alternative.”

Moscow’s bear hug inspires fear and it has little in the way of soft power or other attractions to compensate. At an institutional level the EEU resembles the EU, but its workings are likely to be much more top-down, hinging on the power and domination of Moscow. “There is no concept of building a community in the EEU,” says Thomas Gomart, an analyst at France’s International Relations Institute, “but given trends in the EU, the Russians think their model is more viable.”

Introducing the EEU

Members: Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus

Prospective member: Armenia

Possible members: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan

Wooed: Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan

Population: 173 million (Russia, including Crimea, 146 million; Kazakhstan, 17 million; Belarus, 10 million)

Total GDP: $2.4 trillion

Share of world gas reserves: 20%

Share of world oil reserves: 15%


This article appeared in Guardian Weekly, which incorporates material from Le Monde
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Great Ukranian sell-out!

Astonishing.The Chocolate president wants to allow foreigners to rule over UKR.It explains why Biden Jr. has been made a dir. of a UKR co. By such means,foreign entities and nations will "own" the UKR and a new colonial western/US empire will be created to border Russia. Imagine the chaos if say Mexico allowed foreigners,Rusians oligarchs for example to run Mexico! Talk about Vidkun Quisling.In the future we may be calling traitors "Poroshenkos"!
Poroshenko aims to change laws to allow foreigners into Ukrainian govt
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Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko gives a speech during a parliament session in Kiev on November 27, 2014. (AFP Photo / Sergei Supinsky)Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko gives a speech during a parliament session in Kiev on November 27, 2014. (AFP Photo / Sergei Supinsky)

Ukraine’s president has announced plans to change the nation's legislation to make it possible to appoint foreigners to top government positions. This has been dubbed “unprecedented,” and may indicate that the country is being governed “from outside.”

READ MORE: EU chief calls for decentralization and federalization of Ukraine

“My idea is to change the laws in order to give the right to engage foreigners in state service, including government,” President Petro Poroshenko said in his address to Parliament on Thursday. “Or to expand the list of people whom Ukraine’s president may provide with Ukrainian citizenship in a speedy procedure,” he added.

He stressed that those foreigners’ willingness to accept Ukrainian citizenship in order to take the posts will “confirm” the “strong commitment of our potential partners and candidates.”


Poroshenko also suggested appointing a foreigner as the head of the newly-created National Anti-corruption Bureau. He elaborated that foreigners would have a particular powerful “advantage,” due to their “absence of links to the Ukrainian political elite.”

“Nobody will be anybody’s godfather or matchmaker,” he said, referring to political nepotism.

Earlier, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenuk suggested the creation of a new position – deputy prime minister of European integration affairs. He proposed that a European leader be appointed to the post.

Ukraine's Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk walks during a session of the parliament in Kiev November 27, 2014.(Reuters / Andrew Kravchenko)Ukraine's Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk walks during a session of the parliament in Kiev November 27, 2014.(Reuters / Andrew Kravchenko)

On Thursday, Yatsenyuk received approval from lawmakers to remain Ukraine's premier, while five Ukrainian parties formed the new ruling European Ukraine coalition during the first session of the new parliament.

‘Does Poroshenko believe all Ukrainians are corrupt?’
If Kiev is truly planning to suggest that top government positions be filled by citizens of other countries, the situation is unprecedented, a Ukrainian political expert told RIA Novosti, also questioning the legitimacy of such a move.

"Such cases are exempt from modern [political] practice, when someone who does not have the right to even theoretically have access to state secrets – because he is a citizen of another country – is invited to take a post of minister in the government of a sovereign country. I think this is another demonstration of the degraded status and allegiance to the so-called European choice,” said Mikhail Pogrebinskiy, head of Kiev's Center of Political Studies and Conflict Management.

He questioned whether Poroshenko’s plans to appoint a foreigner as head of the anti-corruption government department suggests a total lack of confidence in his own people.

The president’s “reasoning is also surprising – does Poroshenko believe that every citizen of Ukraine will certainly be corrupt while holding this post?”

Reports cited by RIA Novosti claim that foreigners may be offered top jobs in the ministries of finance, energy and coal production, and infrastructure, as well as the post of deputy prime minister.

European Union envoy former Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski.(Reuters / Dmitry Neymyrok)European Union envoy former Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski.(Reuters / Dmitry Neymyrok)

Aleksander Kwaśniewski, Poroshenko’s close friend and Poland's president from 1995 to 2005, has reportedly been suggested for an unnamed position, Denis Denisov, the head of the Ukrainian branch of the Institute of CIS, told RIA Novosti.

‘Ukraine not welcome as EU, NATO member’
Many foreign experts – predominantly from the US and Europe – are already advising Ukraine while working in various government departments and ministries. Such practice of foreign administration puts Ukraine under external control, said Denisov.

In his Thursday address to Parliament, Poroshenko said that Ukraine's neutral out-of-bloc status had proved unjustified and should be abandoned.

"For this reason we have got back to the idea of integration with NATO," he added. "We are deepening our cooperation and the compatibility of our army with NATO's armed forces and reorienting to NATO standards.”

He stated that implementing the reforms in Ukraine will allow the country to apply for EU membership in five years. EU membership was the key demand of those taking part in the Maidan protests, which led to the armed coup earlier this year.

Despite Poroshenko’s aspirations, EU officials have repeatedly said that the union is not ready to welcome Ukraine as a member.

On Monday, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said in an interview with Der Spiegel that he does not believe it is realistic for Ukraine to join the EU in the foreseeable future, as the economic and political modernization of Ukraine is a “project for several generations.”

Germany's Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier.(Reuters / Stefanie Loos)Germany's Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier.(Reuters / Stefanie Loos)

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius in an interview to i-Tele right after Poroshenko’s pro-EU inauguration speech said that the idea of Ukraine entering the EU doesn’t find support among “his Western colleagues.”

Nor have NATO members said that they support Ukraine's hope of joining the alliance. On Monday, Steinmeier said he is against Ukraine joining NATO, and would only consider supporting the possibility of a partnership.

On Thursday, Poroshenko also put the issue of Ukraine’s federalization out of question, saying that "100 percent of Ukrainians are in favor of a unitary state."

Meanwhile, Ukraine's federalization has been a key demand of residents in the country's eastern regions of Donetsk and Lugansk, and was a major point in the September Minsk agreement between Kiev and eastern authorities.

As Kiev authorities continue to repeatedly reject the idea of federalization, the president of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, said on Wednesday that Ukraine should indeed undergo federalization, stressing that this may be a comprehensive solution to the current crisis.
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Moral keepers are conspicuous in their absence or may be it is that with Ukbapzis around the moral keepers see no need to utter a word! What does that say about politics, sovereignty, lecturing others (& only others) etc etc.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -coup.html
The Ukraine militias take order from noone. Certainly not the govt.
So one can only wonder what will happen in Ukraine in 6 months.
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^^ reg the law which allows the entry of foreigners to govt posn... well, atleast the media will heave a sigh of relief. The idiots don't need to mention that the US calls the shots from the bkgrnd. When they sit in the parliament / do stuff directly etc, it becomes far easier to report stuff, aint it.

In a few months, we could hear funny reports like JoKerry Sec of state and spl appointe by Ukraine for Ukraine Foreign Affairs, Breedlove, Supreme Commander and Spl Appointee by Ukraine for Defense purpose etc.

What amazing idiots the current Ukraine govt has. My god. Cartoon characters.
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Western Pressure is a major factor in current Ukrainian politics. After that strange revolution in Ukraine in its previous avatar, Yushchenko and Tymoshonko f@cked up. Yanukovich came back to power before US could incorporate Ukraine into NATO.
The west wouldnt want to take any chance this time. Brezinsky clearly states that Ukraine has to be separated from Russia to weaken it. And so does common sense. Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan make a formidable resourceful grouping.
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Putin seized the day early on and took control of the crimean peninsula -- the rest of western Ukraine is pretty much useless in terms of providing access to the meditteranean sea -- there are only three ports in the western ukraine, and as long as Russia control sevastopol and ports in Crimea, access to west Ukrainian ports cannot be used for commercial purposes or for military bases by the EU (mostly because the ports are not developed to handle such capability). This makes western UKR a DMZ for Russia, where they can keep the soft border to wage war with the US/EU proxies that want to destabilize Russia.

This is what the genocidal oiseuaule Zbigniew Brzyzenski (of Afghan taliban fame) claimed in march this year, and no doubt he had a hand in stirring the pot in Ukraine.
But at the same time we have to convey to him very quietly, not in a fashion that humiliates him, that if he is not inclined to accommodate or if he is even inclined to go further and threaten Ukraine, there will be consequences. If the Russians refuse to accommodate in Crimea, I guarantee you the vast majority of Ukrainians who are not anti-Russian [now] will turn anti-Russian.”
Nothing of this sort of has happened in the delusional fantasies of Brzyzenski's senile mind. The economic warfare against russia being waged with low oil prices is most likely to accelerate weakening russia to point where the US can gain the upper hand in Crimea. Good luck with that.
Grobe: “What tools can the US and Europe bring to the table?”

Brzezinski: “Economic accommodations that now exist can be suspended. Money owned by Russians abroad can be put under constraint. There are many things of this sort that can be done that signal to the Russians that there are tangible costs for creating this kind of a challenge almost in the middle of Europe, geographically.”
There used to be a poster call Sanjay in the past who would go on and on about atlanticists or some such word, but he was partially right in it being a factor in US policy, especially this bit in the last sentence

"[US can] signal to the Russians that there are tangible costs for creating this kind of a challenge almost in the middle of Europe"
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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-faces ... ml#wm10bFT

Coal shortage now. Hmmmm. US and Australia will provide for free. Lets hope.
Enjoy.
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http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/mot ... 06961.html

Whats wrong with these Germans. Some of them are acting absolutely unlike the great british citizen type.
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From West POV - DER SPIEGEL

How the EU Lost Russia over Ukraine
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Thanks Austin. That's an excellent read. In the language, and what's not written, and motivations not examined, you can extract the true German position, and the game that was played under the subterfuge of innocent terms like common values, civil liberties and human rights... Certainly, there was an arrogant blindness to other's concerns as well. The price for that will be paid in coming years.
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