Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct 2014

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 27 Nov 2014 12:06

Golden opportunity to start a new block comprising of all of India's neighbors excluding the Jihadi nation of Pakistan. Let Pakistan be there at SAARC. We can have the new block for signing of treaties and progress for the whole region.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Nov 2014 15:04

DO really Bangladesh + Sri Lanka + Nepal + Bhutan+ maldives + Afganistan add to 20% of SAARC i.e 30% of Indian economy, I would think BD 5% + SL 2%+ Nepal 3% + AF 1%, 11% + Pakis +8%, are 20% of Indian economy, i.e Out of SAARC, Indian Economy must ~ 85% and the rest 15%.

arun · Post by **arun** » 27 Nov 2014 15:05

X Posted from the Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism thread.

Uniformed Mohammadden Terrorists of the “State Actor” Security forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan provide covering mortar fire in order to allow Ununiformed Mohammadden Terrorists of the “Non State” variety to infiltrate into India from the Islamic Republic:

Gunfight in Jammu as militants enter India from Pakistan

The officer said a gun battle is on between the troopers and the militants

IANS | Jammu
November 27, 2014 Last Updated at 11:18 IST

A gunfight broke out Thursday when separatist guerrillas who sneaked into India from Pakistan were accosted by security forces at the border in Jammu and Kashmir, police said.

Police sources told IANS that a group of three to four militants infiltrated into the Indian side of the international border at Arnia in RS Pura area of Jammu district.

Sources added the militants entered an abandoned army bunker.

"The infiltration attempt was supported by Pakistan Rangers who fired mortar shells at BSF (Border Security Force) positions in Arnia today (Thursday) morning so that the militants could sneak in," a senior police officer said here.

The officer said a gun battle is on between the troopers and the militants.

IANS via Business Standard

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 27 Nov 2014 15:24

Pigs across the border are cooking a giant ponzi scheme to pull the wool over IMF's eyes..

AoA! 1B dollahs raised!! Pak is now unstoppable suppapowah of the world!

Unlike the Euro bond that was issued without collateral, the government has pledged the Islamabad-Lahore Motorway to raise funds that helped it keeping the interest rate below the Euro bond transaction when it raised $2 billion. Sukuk is Islamic bond that has to be backed by collateral.

How does this even work? The pawki pledged a highway as collateral??

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2014 15:43

About SAARC a and the request for new full time membership, we must recognise that both China & the US are playing as a tag team collaborating with Pakistan. Both have asked for full membership, something that India *should* most certainly not accede to even under blandishments such as membership of TPP or SCO etc. Those will have to happen sooner than later anyway as India cannot be sidelined in those important arrangements for too long. We have other leverages to play with to gain access into them, if we want. We cannot let anybody else to be hegemon in our very backyard, OTOH and hope to recover ground later on. There is evil collaboration between US, China and Pakistan. Sri Lanka is punching far above its weight and Bangladesh will revert to pre-Hasina days if AL loses power there bringing China even closer. Ghani in Afghanistan isn't exactly inspiring confidence either. We must be therefore extremely suspicious and not disturb SAARC in any way detrimental to us.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2014 15:47

sudhan wrote:How does this even work? The pawki pledged a highway as collateral??

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Nov 2014 16:18

uddu wrote:Golden opportunity to start a new block comprising of all of India's neighbors excluding the Jihadi nation of Pakistan. Let Pakistan be there at SAARC. We can have the new block for signing of treaties and progress for the whole region.

Exactly,

SAARC should have some subset of "Subcontinental Economic Council" where India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Maldives first meet for 2 days, have the bilateral talks, sign bi-/tri-/quadri- lateral agreements, and then there is the last day, SAARC Summit Day, when Pakistan and Afghanistan get invited along with the observers for some pomp and ceremony, speeches and signing of any further agreements to which Pakistan has agreed.

Other regional bodies also have subgroups like Shengen Agreement, Eurozone, etc.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 27 Nov 2014 16:25

SSridhar wrote:
sudhan wrote:How does this even work? The pawki pledged a highway as collateral??

Seems like "There is a bridge I would like to sell" is a valid business proposition in Land of the Pure. Going by the comments Bakis have entered into a financially questionable deal

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 Nov 2014 17:42

^^Nice. What next I wonder - pledging their H&D? Oh, but that's already been mortgaged multiple times to multiple buyers onlee..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2014 18:02

"SAARC leaders reach last-minute energy deal" scream headlines in Indian newspapers. Pakistan agreed to this because it is extremely advantageous to it.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 27 Nov 2014 18:18

There is already an alternative to SAARC and its calledBay of Bengal Initiative for Multi-Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation (BIMSTEC). Without the pakis and Afghanistan but with Myanmar and Thailand as bonus.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Nov 2014 20:16

Guys, remember the other day someone posted a video interview with Hajami Jihadi Sethi in which he said there is a huge lobby in India that wants to make piss with TSP. I was reminded of that when I read the headlines in this morning's newspaper. Rediff takes the cake with "the moment we have been waiting for" caption with a picture of Modi Badmaash handshake. I wonder where is the disconnect between those that want a reasonable behavior from TSP before any talks with those who are obsessed with "uninterrupted and uninterruptible" talks. And that too on 26/11 anniversary and today's gun battle with pigLeTs.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Nov 2014 20:22

ChandraV wrote: Inbred author failed to mention that India accounts for 74% of the GDP and Pakistan accounts for 6%. Voila, the combined GDP is 80%!!

Pakis have this disease of constantly trying to do an equal-equal with India even when there is no match. There is no easy cure for this disease.

Its in the military realm where they can claim equal equal. And thats their trump card which they use to the hilt to check mate India. This, coupled with its 3.5 patronage, and our own WKK perverts give it near parity, if not total parity. But that parity is somewhat illusory or at best exists with a very weak foundation, and could collapse, and hopefully will. I am still hoping TTP and others will resurrect themselves

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Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 27 Nov 2014 22:13

Watch the body language in the Modi-Badmash handshake. Looks like only Badmash is shaking it (desperate for approval), and Modi even points a finger at Badmash, jokingly ofcourse.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 27 Nov 2014 22:21

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/modi- ... 141127.htm
Modi, Sharif warm up to each other after cold vibes
Last updated on: November 27, 2014 20:21 IST
The frosty Indo-Pak ties briefly gave way to some warmth when a smiling Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif on Thursday shook hands and exchanged pleasantries, but India cautioned against reading too much into such "courtesies"....
Gautam

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Nov 2014 22:38

The pledging the highway is actually quite funny.

First of all, the bond has an interest rate of 6.75% and is dollar denominated. So Pawkis cannot inflate it away. It was actually quite a nice investment options for even abduls like us. Who pays 6.75% on 5 year dollar bonds that too with sovereign guarantee?

Now the secret nobody wants to tell you is that no abdul is going to purchase bonds even at 6.75% interest (in the region of junk bonds I may add) from AlBakistan. So they had to have a collateral. So the Pakis renamed the bond as "Sukuk" (Islamic) bonds. And since Charging and giving interest is against Islamic banking, which allows only lending against a collateral, AlBakistan put up the highway as a collateral. With notional appreciation in value set at 6.75%, which they will then "repurchase" when the bond matures. Somehow that is not charging interest if it is done that way. My head spins.

Anyway, so if you decide to invest (excellent choice by the way). And AlBakistan refuses to pay, they have a motorway in lahore to sell you

India should have bought all of the bonds, it is a win-win for us. If they pay up it is 6.75% interest. If they dont, we have a highway we own

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 27 Nov 2014 22:44

GoI should buy the road and write "Hypothecated to Indian Government" every KM in true nationalised bank style. Watch Bakis either start driving on the shoulder or beat the crap out of the motorway accusing it of RAW agent.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 Nov 2014 23:39

From Flaws_in_the_Flow_Roads_and_Their_Modernity_in_Pakistan, some tidbits

Nawaz Shari claimed as much as he shouted “There is not one motorway in the entireHindustan” from his Caravan

That turned out to be true, albeit in all kind of pakistaniyat. Read on how

However, the inauguration carried premonitions of troubled times ahead as onlookers complainedof falling victim to pickpockets, government officials took an unofficialholiday to attend the cavalcade, public cars were impounded to provide transportation to the Motorway, and the windscreens of cars shattered as people drove onto the hard shoulder of the road despite instructions to the contrary.The road appeared to be not yet free of the old habits of the corrupt state and the unruly crowd
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By 1998, a mere five thousand vehicles had been coaxed into using the road per day, despite promises of “sale” or toll-free days. Pakistani officials claimed that this was due to slow public adaptation to new technology.
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In other words, the Motorway’s modernity far outstripped that of Pakistan’s.
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The Motorway is represented as an American-style highway. Yet this is not to say that the American experience substitutes for the Pakistani one
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There are close parallels in the thrust of reasoning employed in arguing the usefulness of the GT Road and the Motorway for defense and trade purposes respectively:
Lines constructed directly for military purposes incidentally served commerce, while the commercial roads were often used for the transit of troops, stores and ammunitions.

Compare these with the following:
From the defense viewpoint, the Motorway will allow safer and expeditious movement of troops, armour and logistics during peace and war. The Motorway once completed will become the trade and commerce artery and .. the mediality of the Motorway was at odds with its materiality within DN1900.
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Pakistani motorcars were not equipped to travel the Motorway, despite the fact that automobiles in Pakistan are imported. Almost everyone who first entered the Motorway in merry expectation remembered the time the metal bodies of their cars shook and the wheels wobbled as they pressed their cars to the required speeds of 100 – 120 km/hour
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Qarar Shah, a Lahore based banker still shudders when recalling his experience.” “Those compelled to stay on the road as their own bodies demanded release have defecated on their seats because rest stops were so few and far in between
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However,its borders were not successful in keeping out intruders. Its attempts at insularity from its surrounding landscape quickly developed leaks. First came the animals that prevented the seamless flow of the Motorway: “Be vigilant while driving on the motorway. You may hit stray dogs, jackals and foxes.” Then the local population failed to see the necessity for the fence along the road: “As many as 18 cases have been registered against ‘fencecutters.’ Fencing was put up the entire stretch of the road, but that too proved ineffective as farmers cut them to reach their felds directly rather than walk down to the nearest crossover.” Finally, “unsocial elements” were fast-tracked by the superior road with smugglers shipping goods faster than ever before, and dacoits robbing vehicles in relative privacy
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“I chose GT Road for my Lahore-Islama-bad travel as it is safe,” said Tarique Mehmood, a resident of Lahore. . . . Due to poor safety standards against robberies on motorway, commuters follow the suit. At least 10 buses were looted on the motorway in the week preceding Eid
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The following story was related to me by three different sources, which may either prove its veracity or reveal it to be an emergent urbanmyth. Either way, the story was very telling of how the Motorway wasexperienced as ungrounding the familiar:
A group of Tablighi Jamaatis, that is, a Muslim missionary group, set off ona bus journey from Lahore to Islamabad across the Motorway. They spend most of their time reading the Koran. Halfway through the journey they tell their fellow passengers that they wish to share sweets with them as the Jamaatis have successfully completed one reading of the entire Koran. The other passengers joyfully take part in the celebration. However, the sweets are adulterated by sleeping medicine and pretty soon the entire bus falls asleep.The Jamaatis make off with everyone’s possessions.
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But drivers are not the only ones who experience drowsiness when traveling on the Motorway
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When the Motorway’s communicative aids failed, accident victims, unable to communicate with the state,were engulfed in silence. Even if crowds could form, which they could notas the emptiness of the new landscape diminished the reach of rumors, passersby, no longer trusting their senses, refused to form crowds, creating another ring of silence around victims.
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the pink curtains provided were drawn over each window such that everyone sat in shadows even though it was a cloudy day.
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ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 28 Nov 2014 00:36

Anujan wrote:The pledging the highway is actually quite funny.

First of all, the bond has an interest rate of 6.75% and is dollar denominated. So Pawkis cannot inflate it away. It was actually quite a nice investment options for even abduls like us. Who pays 6.75% on 5 year dollar bonds that too with sovereign guarantee?

Yes, but there are guarantees and there are Pakistani sovirgin guarantees, which is a different matter altogether. This is a guarantee coming from the same people that confidently assured us 400% that Osama was not in Bakistan.

Anujan wrote:Now the secret nobody wants to tell you is that no abdul is going to purchase bonds even at 6.75% interest (in the region of junk bonds I may add) from AlBakistan. So they had to have a collateral. So the Pakis renamed the bond as "Sukuk" (Islamic) bonds. And since Charging and giving interest is against Islamic banking, which allows only lending against a collateral, AlBakistan put up the highway as a collateral. With notional appreciation in value set at 6.75%, which they will then "repurchase" when the bond matures. Somehow that is not charging interest if it is done that way. My head spins.

Is is 6.75% per annum or 6.75% over 5 years?? Basicaly, are they going to be paying out $67.5 mil or $337.5 mil at the end of 5 years?

Anujan wrote:Anyway, so if you decide to invest (excellent choice by the way). And AlBakistan refuses to pay, they have a motorway in lahore to sell you

India should have bought all of the bonds, it is a win-win for us. If they pay up it is 6.75% interest. If they dont, we have a highway we own

Yes, but is that highway a good investment? Who pays for repairs when the inevitable pissed-off native decides to excavate a section of it? And if they default, it isn't like you could dig up the highway and move it elsewhere. Also, where are they going to raise the $67.5 million from? Start charging higher toll rates?

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Nov 2014 04:57

saravana wrote:GoI should buy the road and write "Hypothecated to Indian Government" every KM in true nationalised bank style. Watch Bakis either start driving on the shoulder or beat the crap out of the motorway accusing it of RAW agent.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 28 Nov 2014 06:34

Watching Maryam Nawaz Sharif's tweets, it appears the Sharif family stays away from showing any rancour or hatred for Modi.

So far the Indian MSM attacks on Modi have been far far more vicious than the Pakistani media.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Nov 2014 09:19

They know if the pubically state thier position, Modi will only become more popular. Remember these have deep contacts in INC and will everything possible to help improve INC image. Thats why they dragged ABV and are trying to do the same with Modi.

I remember in around 2000 all the WKK crowd used to say how Pakistani Airports are soo much better than India, go gaga over Lahore Isloo Highway and mock Indian Highways. Why are these WKK crowds not comparing Isloo and New Delhi airport and Top 10 Indian Highways with Top 10 roads in Pakistan. Wonder why they have stopped???

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 28 Nov 2014 10:11

SAARC Summit Coverage

The squabbling between India and Pakistan has held back SAARC for years, with the two sides' disagreements preventing progress in the consensus-based grouping.

Sad that Indian media widely propagates silly Western / Pakistani lines that give no credit to Indian diplomacy - use of the term 'squabbling' conveys that both parties, India and Pakistan - are being equally silly and pointless with their "petty" adolescent behavior.

Unless Indian media understands clearly the need to propagate a distinctive Indian viewpoint that acknowledges India's strategic imperatives - India will always remain under pressure from Western and Pakistani outlets. Despite such spectacular all-round idiocy, India goes around claiming that "soft power" is one of its strengths ! What a bunch of retards we have in Indian media !!!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2014 10:23

There could never have been any comparison of say highways or airports or haseena atim bums between the two countries. One was a result of pure largesse while the other is unadulterated sweat and blood and brains

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Nov 2014 10:24

Arjun wrote:SAARC Summit Coverage

The squabbling between India and Pakistan has held back SAARC for years, with the two sides' disagreements preventing progress in the consensus-based grouping.
Sad that Indian media widely propagates silly Western / Pakistani lines that give no credit to Indian diplomacy - use of the term 'squabbling' conveys that both parties, India and Pakistan - are being equally silly and pointless with their "petty" adolescent behavior.

Unless Indian media understands clearly the need to propagate a distinctive Indian viewpoint that acknowledges India's strategic imperatives - India will always remain under pressure from Western and Pakistani outlets. Despite such spectacular all-round idiocy, India goes around claiming that "soft power" is one of its strengths ! What a bunch of retards we have in Indian media !!!

How many years, you think they don't understand./ They do understand very well. But somebody is paying them and they are acting like wise.

Why do we give benefit of doubt to these media owners. It is not an understanding issue but being a deliberate traitor.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Nov 2014 10:27

SSridhar wrote:There could never have been any comparison of say highways or airports or haseena atim bums between the two countries. One was a result of pure largesse while the other is unadulterated sweat and blood.

IN early 2000's, rNDTV and The Hindu editorials were all praise of better airports and lovely Lahore-Delhi Highway- I think the Nayar guy used to author some of those articles and how well it compares with lously Indian Highways which used to be commented on in PEE RF. Now 10 years on no such articles Why not compare Hyderabad ring road with say Pakistan 6th city say Multan's roads?

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 28 Nov 2014 10:43

Aditya_V wrote:How many years, you think they don't understand./ They do understand very well. But somebody is paying them and they are acting like wise.

Why do we give benefit of doubt to these media owners. It is not an understanding issue but being a deliberate traitor.

I actually do think it is an "education" issue. They just picked up a Reuters news story on the summit - and have no clue how it subtly propagates the Western line. The guys who get into journalism are not known to be the brightest bulbs in the country...

Jaitley better organize some 'education' camps where the meaning conveyed by some of these terms can be decoded and explained to these naive kids.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 28 Nov 2014 12:37

Aditya_V wrote:IN early 2000's, rNDTV and The Hindu editorials were all praise of better airports and lovely Lahore-Delhi Highway- I think the Nayar guy used to author some of those articles and how well it compares with lously Indian Highways which used to be commented on in PEE RF. Now 10 years on no such articles Why not compare Hyderabad ring road with say Pakistan 6th city say Multan's roads?

Because that would mean admitting the fact that since then India has far surpassed Pakis in nearly all development metrices, while they have gone backwards. Regarding the highways, much of the credit goes to the NDA government who initiated the National Highways development programme. The Nayar, Aiyyar and Chindu types will bite their tongues/pen nibs off before crediting NDA and especially BJP with anything, who were and remain an anathema to them.

Moreover, Pakis are in such doldrums that there is little that these malicious, cantankerous leeches can find to praise the Pakis and use that stick to beat GoI with.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Nov 2014 12:51

Thats the idea, we need to remind them of thier own Bird droppings and ask them to swatch bharat.

arun · Post by **arun** » 28 Nov 2014 13:48

sudhan wrote:Pigs across the border are cooking a giant ponzi scheme to pull the wool over IMF's eyes..

AoA! 1B dollahs raised!! Pak is now unstoppable suppapowah of the world!

Unlike the Euro bond that was issued without collateral, the government has pledged the Islamabad-Lahore Motorway to raise funds that helped it keeping the interest rate below the Euro bond transaction when it raised $2 billion. Sukuk is Islamic bond that has to be backed by collateral.

How does this even work? The pawki pledged a highway as collateral??

The implied rate of interest of 6.75% that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan paid is shockingly high. India’s Axis Bank raised the smaller amount of USD 500 Million at a marginally longer tenor of 5.5 years with no security at 3.25% around 10 days back. The general rule of thumb is that smaller amounts, longer loan period and lack of security will result in a higher interest rate.

Obsessing about all things related to Mohammaddenism resulting in calling oneself Ideological Islamic State and Islamic Republic, requires loans to be taken via convoluted Islamic finance schemes and then getting “taken” by investors

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Pakistan raises $1b through Sukuk bonds

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 28 Nov 2014 14:58

interestingly ,pakees are depicting it like it is an achievement.. they need to pay such a high interest,for the loan, because their rating is somalia status...but IMHO, such a risky bond would have normally have to yield more than 20% considering the massive risks ..perhaps because they are keeping the highway as a collateral so they need to pay 6.75% .. IMHO it is still a bargain for the bakees..

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 28 Nov 2014 17:43

not required.

if mods can delete this post please delete.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2014 17:50

Talks with India cannot be at the cost of 'dignity, reputation and self respect' : Nawaz

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 28 Nov 2014 19:28

SSridhar wrote:Talks with India cannot be at the cost of 'dignity, reputation and self respect' : Nawaz

But what about 'Honor'?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Nov 2014 19:48

Arjun wrote: Sad that Indian media widely propagates silly Western / Pakistani lines that give no credit to Indian diplomacy - use of the term 'squabbling' conveys that both parties, India and Pakistan - are being equally silly and pointless with their "petty" adolescent behavior.

Very interestingly, when TSP media report "squabbling", they do it with a triumphant note, namely, another instance of equal equal, or when western media does it, it is with contempt. But the bloody deracinated Uncle Tom fools in the Indian media can't even understand this game. Recall rediff's caption: "the moment we have been waiting for" to describe Badmaash Modi handshake.

Not related to TSP per se, but kindly hear me out. Just witness the reporting of Aussie cricket Phillip Hughes's death. It is tragic, and everyone one of us I am sure is saddened. But to understand the extent of colonial disease Indian media is infested with, not only were the tears and sadness so effusive, but the bloody morons report this is the first ever death, not one idiot cares or knows that India's own Raman Lamba died after being hit on the head while fielding in Bangladesh. When he was hit, at that time, with no round the clock media updates, I was struggling to get updates on his condition, until sadly I read that he passed away. I recalled his death again soon after I heard of Phil Hughe's death, but not one moron in the media remembers their own Raman Lamba. This is somewhat like Al Queda and ISIS is the gold standard for Islamic terrorism even in India, when the real nemeses are TSPA/ISI/pigLeTs.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 28 Nov 2014 20:23

RCase wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Talks with India cannot be at the cost of 'dignity, reputation and self respect' : Nawaz

But what about 'Honor'?

Collateral as part of Dubuk bonds

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 28 Nov 2014 21:13

http://www.rediff.com/news/interview/ex ... 141128.htm

For some mysterious reason, one barefaced liar (Sheela Bhat) interviews another barefaced liar (Kasuri) right after saarc -- did this @#$%^# sheela bhat really find no one else to interview after saarc? seriously.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 28 Nov 2014 23:53

Modi seems to be doing the right thing.
He didnt talk. He didnt even not talk. He just shook hands and thats all.
Which is absolutely perfect.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 29 Nov 2014 00:53

Briton charged in UK over Pakistan murder

Misleading headline in yawn would make one think that a gora Britisher murdered a citizen of the Land of Pure, since muslims don't kill muslims! But sure enough, it is a Baki (albeit with a British passport) that murdered another Baki. Could this have been an honor killing?

Tariq Rana, 30, is accused of killing Gulam Asia, 49, in Lahore on July 27, 2013. She died after being shot several times outside her home.

The story gets even better and tries to cloak the antecedents of the co-conspirators...

Two other British nationals, Nargis Ahmed, 33, and Mohammed Adeel, 35, both from Birmingham in central England, have been charged with assisting an offender.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 29 Nov 2014 01:10

Tell me something - what do you do with a USD 1 billion loan to justify 6.5% interest rate?

I can understand that from private sector's perspective, raising money abroad amounts to access to capital with lower cost and the business returns will cover the loan payment. But why Al-Bakistan government? Is it another short terms measure to service other existing loans or cover some long outstanding payments by GOI (to prevent some catastrophic default)? After all, they live from one crisis to another.