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Kakkaji wrote:Core loan norms relaxed
Mumbai, Dec. 15: The Reserve Bank today relaxed norms for structuring existing long-term loans to infrastructure projects.

The move will not only revive stalled projects but also help banks to tide themselves over mounting bad loans.

The new guideline widens the scope of the 5:25 scheme by including existing standard long-term project loans worth over Rs 500 crore to be flexibly structured and refinanced.

Under the 5:25 scheme, banks can extend loans to an infrastructure developer for 25 years with an option to rewrite or reset the terms of the loan or transfer it to another bank or financial institution after five years.

The latest development will ensure long-term viability of existing projects by aligning the debt repayment obligations with cash flows generated during their economic life, the RBI said in a circular.
Comments from Gurus? How significant is it?
Currently nationalised banks have 15% plus NPA on their loan books. This money is kind of expected to be never repayed. Next year the GOI has to refinance the nationalised banks to the tune of 40,000 crores. this money has to come out of somewhere. It has to be done as the whole idea of nationalisation of the banks will be lost in case of a bank run. GOI has given preliminary indication, they wont refinance the banks unless banks get the loans back or even make reasonable attempts. Kingfisher saga is a case in the point.
To make it even easier for the banks, the government is allowing the banks to finance infra projects using some of these loans are possible collateral. I do not know how this will end. Possibly with half built bridges to places where no one wants to go? Who knows.
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I agree with Suraj regarding the foot in mouth disease that Rajan is suffering. Other than that I fully support his stance on interest rates. A drop in interest rate without a corresponding drop in inflation will result in further weaken of Rupee. When the interest rates do not track the inflation, the demand for gold goes up, complicating the situation with balance of payment. Also a softer interest rate will see some flight of foreign capital and adversely affect BOP and exchange rate. RBI has be very careful with respective to the long term expectation of inflation before changing interest rate. The 0% WPI, coupled with Jaitley deciding not to use the dropping oil price as a cookie jar, by letting the price fall, may do the trick. If the current weakening of Rupee stops then I expect RBI to drop Repo in the near future.
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WPI has fallen to 0. But how far will it remain at 0? And further CPI has not come down to sub 5% range. It is not WPI that impacts us, it is CPI. We do not buy stuff at Wholesale prices. The pertinent question is why CPI is not going down significantly and whether it will stay down for extended period of time. Till that happens, may the dogs keep on barking, let the herd of elephants goes on its merry way.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Busi ... 532203.cms
Rupee hits 13-month low; global turmoil raises rate cut doubts

Dec 16, 2014, 12.00PM IST

MUMBAI: The rupee hit 13-month lows and bonds fell sharply as markets in the region tumbled on fears about the global economy, raising doubts about whether India can afford to cut interest rates given risks that such a move could trigger foreign outflows.

The rupee's session low of 63.46 on Tuesday was its weakest against the dollar since Nov 13, 2013, when India was in the midst of its worst currency turmoil since the 1991 balance of payment crisis.

But efforts by the government and the central bank to narrow the current account deficit and the election of Prime Minister Narendra Modi have sparked a sharp turnaround: foreign investors have purchased a net $43.4 billion in shares and bonds this year, allowing India to outperform most emerging markets.

The volatility in global markets is now bound to test India's appeal at a time of high hopes the Reserve Bank of India would cut interest rates as early as at its next policy review in February.

Russia sharply increased its benchmark interest rate on Monday, raising concerns about the global economy at a time of sliding oil prices and a weakening China economy.

"If the rupee weakness sustains for long, then we could see a delay in rate cuts," said Hari Chandramgethen, head of foreign exchange trading at South Indian Bank.

The partially convertible rupee was trading at 63.37/38 per dollar by 1040, versus its Monday close of 62.94/95.

Traders said the rupee was also hit after data on Monday showed India's trade deficit widened to an 18-month high in November, in part due to surging gold imports.

Although the RBI has recently been intervening to smoothen volatilities in the rupee, traders said the central bank had not stepped in so far on Tuesday.

Meanwhile concerns about foreign selling and delayed rate cuts sent the benchmark 10-year bond yield IN084024G=CC up as much as 10 basis points to 7.93 per cent.

The yield had hit a 17-month low on Monday on hopes the RBI would cut interest rates after data last week showed consumer inflation slowing to the lowest on record.

Some analysts said they expected India to remain less vulnerable than other emerging markets.
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Reading about the WPI / CPI situation elsewhere, it ws predicted that WPI would bottom out in November due to high base effect from last year (double digit increase in the corresponding month of 2013). RBI is very interested in seeing whether depressed WPI is sustained in December and January, where the high base effect is less predominant. If it stays depressed, then there will be a rate cut in early February, though by then the markets will price in the coming cut. They may also cut rates out of turn in January .
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I hope we do not make hasty decisions as far as rate cut is concerned. One of the mess that mummy+yuaraj+silent cambridge educated economist have left us with is the high CPI inflation. Let us slay this rotten apple gifted to us by UPA.
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Uttam wrote:When the interest rates do not track the inflation, the demand for gold goes up, complicating the situation with balance of payment.
Data says that the demand for gold does not track anything. It is ever present and omnipresent in India. Heavy marketing ensures it.

It stays somewhere between 500-800 tonnes of imports per year. The only thing that varies is the actual price of gold, from a low of of $200/oz in 2001 (NDA1) to high of $1900 during UPA2. This is what triggers the heavy currency outflow. Right now, relative to the past gold is still quite expensive hence the incredible currency outflow numbers we are seeing.
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New GST Bill provides comfort
The Bill provides further comfort to States by allowing them to charge additional 1 to 2 per cent GST to cover up for losses. This provision will have a sunset clause and will be available only for two to three years.
The Finance Minister wants the Constitutional Amendment Bill to provide for a flawless framework for a pure GST, the source said. “He feels that if States insist on a half-hearted GST then there is no point of bringing the reform at all … The GST architecture cannot be flawed … the Constitution should not have to be amended again and again ... .”
If exceptions come with sunset clause, it is a good news. It means that we will get "clean" GST. Not sure if this is confirmed news or just expectation. I will wait for official confirmation.
Extending the GST to real estate transactions, the source explained, will reduce black money generation in the sector. Consequently, low-cost housing will become more affordable, he said.
With GST, India will become a common market
At the Central level, it will subsume Central excise duty, service tax and additional customs duties while at the state level it will include value-added tax, entertainment tax, luxury tax, lottery taxes and electricity duty. Central sales tax (CST) will be completely phased out. Entry tax or octroi would be subsumed from the start. But state taxes on petroleum products will continue for a few years after GST is introduced, as per the deal brokered between the Centre and states on Monday. State taxes on alcohol and tobacco, too, would remain
A sub-committee of the Empowered Committee of state finance ministers had proposed revenue-neutral rates (RNR) for the Central and state components at 12.77 per cent and 13.91 per cent, respectively, taking the effective GST rate to 26.88 per cent. This is much stiffer than the 14-16 per cent in most countries as well as the recommendation of a taskforce of the Thirteenth Finance Commission of 12 per cent (7 per cent for state GST and 5 per cent for central GST)
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Sunset clauses are important to enable states with different socio-economic standards to transition into the GST regime smoothly, and for the Bill itself to be effectively approved. It's important that states fully implement the GST, but also that they be given some leeway todo so. It also avoids the need to modify the bill repeatedly, which would be a costly political exercise each time. Overall, a good stewardship of the process by Modi, Jaitley, Naidu and all others involved. Successfully tabling and passing this build would be a crowning first year achievement.

India exported $94-billion illegal capital in 2012: Study
The total illicit financial outflows from India between 2003 and 2012 were $439 billion —$94.8 billion of that in 2012 alone — shows a study by Global Financial Integrity (GFI), a Washington DC-based research and advisory organisation.

On the list of the world’s biggest exporters of illicit financial flows from 2003 to 2012, India currently ranks fourth — after China, Russia and Mexico, in that order. Compared with the previous rankings, India and Malaysia have switched positions in terms of cumulative illicit financial outflows, with India moving to the fourth spot and Malaysia to fifth. This was due to a continuation of India’s upward move, which began in 2009, and Malaysia’s downward move, which began the next year. To put the figures in perspective, the $439 billion of outflows come to about 23 per cent of India’s gross domestic product in 2013.

The study estimates illicit financial outflows from two sources: As a result of deliberate trade misinvoicing, and due to leakages in the balance of payments (known as illicit hot money narrow outflows). According to the study, while trade invoicing accounted for 77.8 per cent of illicit flows from all developing countries over the period, this number was 85.3 per cent for Asia.

The report says it is likely the repatriation and surrender requirements create strong incentives for exporters to under-invoice exports as a way to circumvent these requirements. While the report provides an estimate of illicit flows, it is difficult to say with certainty what is the exact quantum of funds currently stashed abroad. That is because many allege a substantial portion of these illicit outflows are routed back into the country, often via tax havens. But Aman Aggarwal, director, Indian Institute of Finance, disagrees.

He says: “Very little of these illicit outflows actually come back to the country,” adding “the mechanisms through which these illicit gains are made are known, but very little has been done to curb those. There is a need to bring efficiency into the system to check these gains, which cost the country dear.”
November trade data suggests October IIP figures were an aberration:
October's industrial output decline could be an aberration
A sharp 7.6 per cent drop in India’s manufacturing production in October puzzled many. But that could be an aberration, and the country’s industrial production, a major portion of which is factory output, could see a growth in November from 4.2 per cent fall in October.

Some of the recently released data seem to suggest the same. According to trade numbers released on Monday, India’s non-oil, non-gold imports, a pointer to industrial demand, in November rose 27.7 per cent to $27.5 billion from $20 billion in the same month a year ago. By comparison, these had increased only 5.6 per cent in October (to $22.91 billion from $21.7 billion last year).

Besides, there was a pick-up in automobile sales in November, indicating an increase in production during the month. Domestic car sales in November increased 9.5 per cent over a year ago, compared with declines in the two previous months.

Economists, however, warn growth might not be too high to begin with; it could rise gradually. They cite a sudden drop in consumption demand as one of the main reasons for a manufacturing decline. It is unusual for demand to be this weak during the festival season.

Growth in private consumption expenditure, a proxy for consumption demand in the economy, did not decline much in the September quarter and stood at 5.64 per cent, higher than the 5.81 per cent in the previous quarter. The growth rates in both quarters, though, were much lower than the 8.22 per cent in the March quarter of last financial year.

One possible reason for a sudden drop in industrial production in October could be the presence of a large number of holidays during the month. This time, both Diwali and Dussehra, apart from a number of regional holidays, fell in October. This meant fewer working hours for factories. Even in pre-2008 years, whenever these two main festivals have fallen in the same month, the industrial production story has been somewhat similar to this year’s. However, the difference was that a deceleration in monthly growth was not played up in those years because industrial output was on the rise. By comparison, since production in the secondary sector was crawling to pick up this year, a contraction in October was hard to miss.
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http://www.financialexpress.com/article ... sey/19904/
Amid increased focus of the Narendra Modi government on harnessing technology to change lives, a study by McKinsey Global Institute (MGI) has said a dozen “empowering technologies”–ranging from mobile Internet to cloud computing to advanced genomics–could potentially add up to $1 trillion a year to the indian economy by 2025.While technology applications such as mobile payments can address the problem of financial inclusion by helping as many as 300 million more people gain access to banking services, digital technologies in the education sector can help produce about 24 million more educated workers.The study said about 90 million farmers could raise their productivity with real-time market information and as many as 22 million through precision farming. These improvements have the potential to raise incomes of 100 million farmers and bring better nutrition to 300-400 million consumers. Similarly, “disruptive technologies” could transform the delivery of public health services, extending care through remote health services, including delivering expert consultations via the mobile Internet.
It said hybrid and genetically-modified crops, precision farming (using sensors and GIS-based soil, weather, and water data to guide farming decisions), and mobile Internet-based farm extension and market information services alone could help create more than half the $45-80 billion a year in additional value by 2025.In financial services, the technology applications could raise incomes by 5-30% of the 300 million people they are expected to help, thanks to better access to credit and the ability to save and make remittances. The sized applications could translate into economic value of $32-140 billion per year by 2025.In education, the report estimates an economic impact of $60-$90 billion a year by 2025 from the higher productivity of more highly educated workers. In the health care sector, using “Internet of Things” tracking systems to curb counterfeit drugs could be worth as much as $15 billion a year. The total value of empowering technologies in health care could be $25-$65 billion a year by 2025. Of this, the largest share ($15 billion to $30 billion) could come from equipping health-care centres and health workers to bring services to some 400 million poor people.Energy technologies, including unconventional oil and gas, and solar technology, could have economic impact of $50-95 billion a year by 2025, including the value of carbon emissions avoided. The most significant impact is expected from smart metering, which could save the country $15-20 billion a year in 2025 in reduced transmission losses.
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Suraj wrote:Reading about the WPI / CPI situation elsewhere, it ws predicted that WPI would bottom out in November due to high base effect from last year (double digit increase in the corresponding month of 2013). RBI is very interested in seeing whether depressed WPI is sustained in December and January, where the high base effect is less predominant. If it stays depressed, then there will be a rate cut in early February, though by then the markets will price in the coming cut. They may also cut rates out of turn in January .
There is no logic to cutting rates from where we are right now. Why would anyone hold the rupee if the cost of borrowing it (shorting the rupee so to speak) is going to drop? I would like your POV regarding the need to cut rates.
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I have been reading about this under-invoicing of import-export business for decades but no concrete effort has been made to stop this practice. How do developed economies deal with this? We need to find out and implement.
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panduranghari wrote:There is no logic to cutting rates from where we are right now. Why would anyone hold the rupee if the cost of borrowing it (shorting the rupee so to speak) is going to drop? I would like your POV regarding the need to cut rates.
Deposit growth has not been a problem. Credit growth on the other hand, is at the lowest level since the 2008 global crash. High rates were a Volcker formula to break the back of inflation, which is currently below RBI's Jan 2016 target of 6%. Yes, their goal was to get it down to 6% by Jan 2016, and it's been below that for almost 3 months now, in autumn of 2014. The fear seems to be that a rate cut will weaken the Rupee due to money in the rate arbitrage market going out, thereby making imports dearer and driving up inflation. However, most of the inflows have been into government and corporate debt paper and equities. A rate cut will drive them higher, increasing inflows and strengthening the currency . Further, oil continues to remain depressed, with futures pricing it down to the low $50s for January. In my opinion, RBI is losing an opportunity by waiting this out.
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RBI needs to be careful. The rupee is currently under devaluation pressure. Meanwhile, first Dholera SIPR tenders (RFQ) floated (source SSC).
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Russia with super low budget deficit and trade surplus is getting hammered. I say again, shun hot foreign money and use budget deficit to build infrastructure assets.
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SSridhar wrote:Japan banks to bulk up India presence on improving ties - Reuters, ET
Mizuho also plans to offer debt capital market services and to help Indian companies launch 'Samurai bonds' denominated in yen in Japan, Kashiwagi said.

These bonds could be a cheap borrowing option for Indian companies.
Japanese QE money is coming to India. Borrow this low cost Yen money when Indian Rupee is low and interest rates are high and pay them off when Rupee becomes strong and Interest rates are low. That will become a form of subsidy for Indian companies.
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GRAPEVINE NEWS

Rajan may be shipped off to Beijing to head the BRICS bank - NDB. Its mostly likely to be a take it or leave it deal, which means he is unlikely to complete his three year term if he refuses the offer.


Awesome if true! :)

I just feel the Chinese may object to Rajan considering he is an IMF product and may be seen as a risk.
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Foreign money should only be welcomed if it brings in "High technology" Equipment & Manufacturing Process, rest is just speculative paper. First, we had US paper causing cost push inflation and now we have Japanese buying off India by printing Yen. When will we stop laying down for everything Gora and Deemed Gora. Our Capital goods sector is getting killed by Gora manufacturers getting cheap loans from their EXIM banks. Be Indian, Print Indian currency. (Well actually that it also printed on Swiss Machines and UK paper)
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Suraj wrote:
panduranghari wrote:There is no logic to cutting rates from where we are right now. Why would anyone hold the rupee if the cost of borrowing it (shorting the rupee so to speak) is going to drop? I would like your POV regarding the need to cut rates.
Deposit growth has not been a problem. Credit growth on the other hand, is at the lowest level since the 2008 global crash. High rates were a Volcker formula to break the back of inflation, which is currently below RBI's Jan 2016 target of 6%. Yes, their goal was to get it down to 6% by Jan 2016, and it's been below that for almost 3 months now, in autumn of 2014. The fear seems to be that a rate cut will weaken the Rupee due to money in the rate arbitrage market going out, thereby making imports dearer and driving up inflation. However, most of the inflows have been into government and corporate debt paper and equities. A rate cut will drive them higher, increasing inflows and strengthening the currency . Further, oil continues to remain depressed, with futures pricing it down to the low $50s for January. In my opinion, RBI is losing an opportunity by waiting this out.

PMO should select ten important sector of Indian economy and allocate Rs. 50,000 crore seed money per annum on each of it even at expense of Higher fiscal deficit. My selection:-

Roads
Thermal power
Dams and irrigation projects
Railways and metros lines and manufacturing
Ports, airports, fishery hubs
EWS housing sector
Consumer Electronic manufacturing hub
Aerospace manufacturing hub
Telecom equipment manufacturing hub
Tourist, medical, entertainment and Higher education hubs



Rather then depending on FII investments in stock markets.
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That is not sustainable. It's far better for GoI to fix its subsidy regime and spending priorities and lower borrowing pressure, thereby reducing rates, enabling better access to credit for private companies. This is the approach Modi pursued in Gujarat. A lot of what he does is based on prior precedent that worked (and did not work). It's far more meaningful to see how he accomplished similar things at state level, in order to predict how he'll act now.

Here's an example of GoI doing what it should - removing hurdles to investment and economic activity:
PM Modi steps in to speed up stuck projects worth $300 billion
Prime Minister Narendra Modi has taken direct control of a project-monitoring body to fast-track investments worth almost $300 billion (approximately Rs. 18,90,000 crore at current exchange rates) and revive manufacturing in the country, two officials with direct knowledge of the matter told Reuters.

Pro-business Modi has faced criticism in recent weeks that his ambition to spur investment and re-energise the economy has yet to be realised, more than six months after he won elections with the strongest mandate in three decades.

Industrial output contracted in October in its worst performance in three years, jarring with a much-publicised "Make in India" campaign Modi has championed to make the country a manufacturing powerhouse.

By taking over the Project Monitoring Group (PMG), which was previously in the cabinet secretariat, Modi could help firms planning coal, power, steel and infrastructure projects cut through a maze of up to 180 clearances.

"The fact that the Prime Minister's office (PMO) will be directly overseeing all the project clearances will impart a greater degree of efficiency and also ensure that clearances are fast tracked at every level," said one of the officials, declining to be identified ahead of a public announcement.

"The PMO's stamp will make a big difference." A PMO official said a bureaucrat who had worked closely with Modi when he was chief minister of Gujarat will head the monitoring group.

The senior officer is among a few trusted civil servants with whom the PMO thrashes out key decisions, often at the expense of ministerial authority.
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This is the approach Modi pursued in Gujarat.
Modi was Prime Minister of Gujarat and had a currency called the Gujarat Rupee and the Finance Ministry of Gujarat had sovereign powers to borrow in Gujarats name ?

Just pointing out that unless Modi had those powers,he couldn't have had a monetary policy which controls money supply and have done what you said he did.
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vina: Please stop trolling.
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Bankers see $1 Trillion of stranded zombie investments in oil
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Note all the major formations and countries that now have oil becoming unviable to produce. This aint going to end anytime soon.

So yeah, this is at best a transitory effect for 18 months and you will see a sharp rebound. It is going to be a rocky period with big sovereign credit risk events and also a couple of big systemic shocks from defaults.
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The Consequences of a Strong Dollar

Not sure if this was posted before (the article is from 2013). What do the gurus think about this article, and is it still relevant after (a) the elections and (b) oil price drop?
High inflation and a strong currency have propelled demand for foreign capital. It is essentially to arbitrage the difference in the cost of capital on and offshore. High inflation makes the real cost of capital onshore low or negative. The strong currency gives foreign capital providers high returns offshore. This arbitrage is self-fulfilling in the short term. Foreign capital inflow supports their currencies, increasing their money supplies and inflation.

In recent months the BRIC countries no longer receive strong inflows anymore. Their currencies have been under downward pressure. The BRIC economies now are similar to Southeast Asian economies in 1996. Wrong policy moves could aggravate the situation and trigger a full-blown financial crisis.
added later: I see vina and others have brought up some points similar to those in the article.
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I don't agree with all this Rajan-bashing. I think he is doing a fine job.
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For make in India to succeed we need to limit Chinese imports. Also it is well known secret that Chinese bought off lot of Babus and politicos in India to get entry for its imports especially telecom equipment. Inspite of their repeated border incursions we have never taken action on economic front where we hold all the cards. Lot of Chinese Dalals have bought off custom officials and they are able to under value the imports by upto 10 times & pay almost Nil duties. China also has financed a spate of strikes and bloody management & worker strife in areas that were emerging as alternative to Chinese SEZs. Not to mention funding terrorism in NE India and Arming our enemies in Neighbouring nations. My recommended actions:-

1. Ban all Chinese products where desi alternatives exist like toys, tyres, steel products, furniture, consumer durables & electronics, power sector equipment, ships etc

2. Enter into Chinese import substitution with sweet heart deals with other foreign manufacturers like in Telecom sector encourage Alcatel, Ericsson. In Railways ABB, Bombardier etc. Tie up with other foreign manufacturers first and "thereafter" ban Chinese imports on security issues.

3. Post invoices of all Chinese imports filed with Customs so that General Public can evaluate and report under valuations.

4. Encourage Make in India by reducing PLR interest rate to 5% from 14%

5. Clear projects stuck in policy hurdles (These seems to be action).

6. Start National off set policy beginning from Telecom, Aerospace and then moving on to other items.

7. Increase Fiscal deficit and invest in infrastructure while curbing inflation by controlling hot money from abroad.
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you cant simply ban without a proper reason. Public should be made aware, they should take the initiative to buy indian made products
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Notwithstanding some strong views expressed here, I believe that unless India has a sustainable and consistent positive balance of trade, the rupee will always be a victim of US Federal Reserve policies and any political storm that any other emerging market country goes through. Just look at the rupee swoon in the last week after the ruble rumble and the whiff of rumors that the Federal Reserve could tighten monetary policy. In that sense Modi has it right and Rajan has it wrong. Whether this can be achieved via long overdue structural reforms or Modi jaw boning his way in the short term is open to debate.

PS: The balance of services has been positive, but that is clearly not enough, as the percentage of Indian imports that is inelastic is high, and reliance on FII flows and other hot money to shore up the balance of payments position is what causes the rupee to swoon every time there is an international crisis.
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GST is single biggest tax reform since 1947: FM Arun Jaitley
The GST, which was hammered out after series of meetings with the states, is a "win-win" for both Centre and States and will provide for levy of 1 per cent additional tax by states for inter-state transfer of goods for two years.
Under the provisions of the Bill, petroleum goods will be part of the GST but they will be levied at zero rate, implying that the states will continue to levy VAT while Centre will levy excise duty for initial few years.

Thereafter, it will be fully subsumed in the GST, the date of which will be set by the GST Council, which is made up of two third of states and the remaining of Centre.

The states, however, will continue to levy taxes on alcohol as is the practice now.
Good. It looks like a "clean" GST. The benefits will start flowing after 2-3 years.
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Arjun wrote:Uncertainty over Insurance Bill after opposition presses on conversion debate

The sheer stupidity and medievalism of the Indian opposition is beyond belief. There is critical economic legislation that has been stalled for the last 2 days in Parliament, simply because of a blinkered and antediluvian opposition that sees "religion" in antiquated terms. Either (a) allow free-for-all conversions by all religions, or (b) disallow forcible conversions or (c) bar any conversion attempt of any kind. But for heaven's sake - agree on one of these three legislative options and move on to more critical economic matters.

At least the ruling party has behaved sanely on the whole issue. The opposition parties need to get a more modern outlook - else Modi's economic agenda is in trouble.
They will just take the ordinance route. Dont worry, the opposition cannot block anything using this rajya sabha trick.
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I still have my doubts on what GST would accomplish. Most of the tax dodging enforcement has already been claimed by the VAT. If interstate commerce is the worry I think people would find it unlikely to improve much. Personally my experience is paying tax is the least worry when crossing state lines with goods. At least between KL/TN my problem has always been the lack of alignment between what the 2 states require and a lot of Ad Hoc rule making. Finding a truck with an interstate permit can be a chore all by itself. Then the border gets closed to truck traffic for all kinds of silly reasons. A few years ago I got stuck in a Phytothora inspection border closing. Lost 30% of my Pineapples. And I was lucky….
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Gyan wrote:For make in India to succeed we need to limit Chinese imports. .......
Can't ban. It's contravening the WTO. Did you know for every 100$ sale by Chinese they are allowed a max of 20% profit taking. However, if india has a 100$ sale we can make a profit of 47%. These clauses are written in WTO treaties which countries signed willingly. As China is the newest big member to join WTO( joined in 2001), they agreed to every darn thing. Also it was in 2001 chinese started buying US treasuries with their surpluses. I believe( open to correction), Chinese started manufacturing for pittance, initially to attract FDI. Later Jiang Zemin, saw the kickbacks he could earn in this process hence made his best effort to undermine Hu Jintao. It's this deep state corruption that Xi Jinping is trying to eliminate. As Raghuram Rajan said Made inIndia is not a good way forward unless it's made for India, I doubt if as manufacturers we can undercut Chinese. What can be done is increase the quality standards of goods expected out of Chinese . The low end producers won't be able to sell as quality standards will fall short of expectations set by GOI.

ldev wrote:Notwithstanding some strong views expressed here, I believe that unless India has a sustainable and consistent positive balance of trade, the rupee will always be a victim of US Federal Reserve policies .....
Why should we have any balance left after trade. Kabhi toh trade ko settlement tak lao. That's the future I see. At least once a year, every country will be obligated to complete settlement of outstanding dues. That's what a central bank will do. It will be facilitated by the BIS.
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ldev wrote:Notwithstanding some strong views expressed here, I believe that unless India has a sustainable and consistent positive balance of trade, the rupee will always be a victim of US Federal Reserve policies .....
Another point of view....

Well! One of the odd things that has come out of the Russian Ruble collapse is that Russia has had a positive balance of trade for a long time. True, mostly due to oil but still over the last 10-15 years Russia has racked up a surplus of $900 Billion. So then the question becomes why did the Ruble implode. Krugman says it is because a lot of Russian hold assets abroad by buying foreign debt. This is because there is not a lot of confidence in the local economy. Take it FWIW etc.
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Why should we have any balance left after trade. Kabhi toh trade ko settlement tak lao. That's the future I see. At least once a year, every country will be obligated to complete settlement of outstanding dues. That's what a central bank will do. It will be facilitated by the BIS.
That is how you want it to be. And that is how it should be. But it is not. The present reality is that the US$ is the ultimate provider of liquidity to the world and policies relating to it can cause a storm in which smaller boats can capsize. So India has to come up with policies in the here and now. Modi's "Make in India", is IMO a step in the direction towards a positive balance of trade.
Well! One of the odd things that has come out of the Russian Ruble collapse is that Russia has had a positive balance of trade for a long time. True, mostly due to oil but still over the last 10-15 years Russia has racked up a surplus of $900 Billion. So then the question becomes why did the Ruble implode. Krugman says it is because a lot of Russian hold assets abroad by buying foreign debt. This is because there is not a lot of confidence in the local economy. Take it FWIW etc.
For the ruble it was a perfect storm, the sanctions plus the crash in the price of oil of which Russia is the largest producer in the world. FWIW, the ruble has rallied in the last 2 days from a low of 80 per USD to about 60 now, largely as a result of the interest rate hike and the Bank of Russia starving the local market of rubles. So Russia will survive. For India IMO it is paramount to have a consistent positive balance of payments at least on the current account, and the problem is the negative trade balance.
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Official takes dig at RBI Guv Raghuram Rajan over PM Narendra Modi’s ‘Make In India’ campaign
“All of us must be absolutely clear that India can become a great manufacturing nation if exports grow and they must grow rapidly. Exports (will) grow if all of us realise the significance and importance of exports,” Secretary, Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion (DIPP), Amitabh Kant said.

“You never make goods only for domestic market. No manufacturer across the world does only for the domestic market. You do it initially but then you expand, you grow and penetrate global markets and thats what a true businessmen is supposed to do,” he added.
India’s share is very low in the global trade, Kant said at a function organised by industry body Ficci that .
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panduranghari wrote:
Gyan wrote:For make in India to succeed we need to limit Chinese imports. .......
Can't ban.
Can do indirectly on security issues, environment, labour, tax issues. Note US and Russia spat and related sanctions or how does Japan & China bar our generics.
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As I said the option is to increase standards expected out of Chinese. Japan has higher standard expectations which are essentially R&D related. They can say anything like show us the double blind randomised controlled clinical trial of your drug. And lo behold, indian companies have no crutch left to stand on. Japan is also a vassal state of USA. Perhaps there is some influence there too. With regards to China, they expect any drugs sold in China should be jointly produced within. The western majors are doing a lot of R&D within China. Can india do that? Or why should we strengthen Chinese pharmaceutical business? I say, undercut Chinese co-production.
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unless we have a domestic content policy for everything, indian manufacturing will not pull through. we just dont have the borrowing power or lending capacity to fund anything on a large scale.

the only thing we have going for us is the size of our market that cannot be ignored by any mnc/country. in order to capitalize on that, stratified reinvestment of PAT generated should be mandated off foren cos. eg. 30% content by value should be made in india if the company revenue is between 100 million and 300 million. 50% if higher than 300 million. 70% if higher than 1 billion.
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India has more than enough man power and capital. What is missing is infrastructure and capital allocation. And PM Modi has promised good governance. If he is allowed 3 terms, he will deliver. I hope to see more debate in 'arthakranti'.
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IMHO, Initially Japanese Manufacturing should find home In India when shifted from China. Then South Korean and others following Japani footsteps before Indian taking over Taiwani, Malaysian business/ manufacturing, supply chain. Its doable in one decade by guaranteed domestic market and then export to foreign markets .
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