Telugu States' News and Discussion

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 01 Jan 2015 17:03

For the record, Andhra, Jagan Reddy won 67/175 seats in assembly elections and 8/25 lok sabha elections. In Telangana, TRS won 63/119 assembly seats and 11/17 lock sabha seats. BJP could be more and more proactive about these seats instead of spending a lot of time on other issues.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 01 Jan 2015 17:12

vishvak wrote:For the record, Andhra, Jagan Reddy won 67/175 seats in assembly elections and 8/25 lok sabha elections. In Telangana, TRS won 63/119 assembly seats and 11/17 lock sabha seats. BJP could be more and more proactive about these seats instead of spending a lot of time on other issues.

They are being pro-active. See this article. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 712417.cms

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Jan 2015 17:36

It can not be pro active if it is talking that they can not give any tax benifits after promissing them and funding for Polavaram etc. BJP and Con Mafia were both joined to divide AP and by promissing not to abandon AP like Con Mafia did CBN and BJP managed to win seats there in 2014. NM also gave his word. But if nothing is done then NM and CBN will be giving the Criminal Jagan a stick to beat them. Let us be very clear that both Con Mafia teams will be working together next time in 2019 and huge EJ activities and sicular vote banks will be united to defeat NM in 2014 in AP.

As per my info is that AS is trying to rope in all kinds of Con Mafia leaders who are seriously discredited during division of AP ( people like Bothsa Sathyanarayana) into BJP. This may be a major mistake. I am not sure some Con Mafia leaders are not so discredited and can be useful. But people like Bothsa are all useless criminals like Jagan. They hardly have any base and can not give or add anything to BJP votes.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 01 Jan 2015 18:04

For what central assistance AP is going to get, I think we will have to wait for the Union Budget. Until then, I don't think much will be available. Second, I am with Dasari-ji here. CBN's mega capital business frightens me. Also, I don't think taking so much wet farmland out of the prime-Guntur-Krishna region is a good idea. JMT.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Jan 2015 20:24

Wish you all a happy new year.

ShyamSP wrote: CBN is in sort of unique position that all good consequences are his/TDP's and bad ones are BJP's and INC's. If Center doesn't fund the new state BJP can forget it for generations. All what BJP and INC said were recorded and TDP just needs to "rewind" the tape or bring out google caches.

There is nothing that we think will be same in politics. Jagan will surely be arrested and that will happen surely and INC will not be revived and this is guaranteed because the family is as good as dead and there will be arrests at right time in this LS term. These will be achieved otherwise Modi will be as foolish as ABV.

TDP got just about 2% more than Jagan and nothing more and like the great Telugu vishwadhabi rama poem ".... venakati gunamela manu ra ...", it is a casteistic society and not all will stick with TDP for next term unless CBN does a true miracle. The opposition space will be BJP's by default. It is all "kupatshtu mandukam" mind if we think that there will be no opposition space. To achieve a zero opposition space, TDP and BJP has to do match fixing which is what TDP is trying. It will be interesting to see if CBN can achieve that forever. Far worse is now the TDP's core is firmly in Krishna-Guntur and all other districts are in a biz-relation only. I don't expect that changing at all. This is where irrespective of what BJP does or not, it will have aces to get in.

Center will never fund lakhs of crores of rupees and that is not promised. They never promised 5L crore for Capital or 10L crore for something else. The promises are more in the form of sops so that CBN can pickup growth engine which he is doing right. They will give fast clearances such as environmental etc. They gave allocations to new institutions, Vizag-Chennai corridors, and private industrial corridors. They even cleared DRDO and solar energy farms to Seema districts. Even a parallel NFC is cleared for Kurnool dt that will be as big as Hyd's Nuclear Fuel complex. They started off with Polavaram clearance. More than that - they included AP in 24 x 7 power initiative along with smart cities development clearances.

The things that they have issues are related to inter-state stuff such as Vizag as Railway zone which needs splitting current zones, a broad special status category that needs parl approval for individual clauses. They will give these pieces is different formats that will not look like "let AP show off mardangini" type so that all other states can cry. Even Sujana Chowdary is singing same

They just cannot go to people and blame BJP while they enjoy being in government.

The TDP fanclub tries to pull a fast one with calling BJP as foul unless all is given on day-1 that makes AP suddenly with all of India's industries flow to AP only while it has zero deficit and do loan waivers. This will not work because (1) TDP is part of central government (2) by aggressively opposing BJP via quitting center so that it will start creating it's own opposition space in state.

Also see CBN is praising Modi and government to sell AP for investments across the world. He is also part of Indian team that will visit Davos.

Dasari garu - you always count deficits etc and please tell me which state in India or for the matter the world does not have deficits. Whether AP is new or old it is same. The central government will not plug all the deficit to help AP to spend all and not do anything to generate revenues or structural adjustments. It will ensure with checks and balances that AP will not default. Otherwise CBN will give another stupid loan waiver. CBN has to reduce government employees, sell off government assets and do structural reforms(such as privatizing services) to plug revenues. Why does he need RTC in government? He needs to do privatization on partnership model. There are several such things he needs to do plug the revenue gaps. CBN and his fan club boasts of good-governance, reforms, automation etc and let him walk the talk.

There is a lot of spin from AP that bifurcation is some huge disaster for the residual state. They are trying to pull a fast one by including the aggregate deficits that evolved since 1983 by over spending on spend only subsidies. What central government is doing is by delaying the deficit plugging and by doing chunks, it is actually checking how the new state revenue generation will be. See the transportation revenue risen in AP while HYD transportation revenue fell. Also, sales tax revenues are rising too. They are only plugging that is actually something that was due to bifurcation. Otherwise the CBN spin-masters will spin even the state-govt-employee-salaries as some centre's revenue deficit plugging program.

In the time between 1999 and 2013 - AP reaped rich from center for all the interstate roads, it took an idiotic amount of time to lay Vijayawada to Hyderabad 4-laning. The only other significant road venture was HYD outer ring road.

The strategy of AP governments between 1992 and 2014 is very simple:
(1) spend on subsidies to create a votebank that will always vote on sops. This is using AP revenue and forcing the center to prioritize the central allocation to AP. They achieved this via subtle threat to central governments due to coalition era. YSR did same to Sonia.
(2) All the infra projects are central funded as AP is geographically in a situation where it is link between states. Even here using their highhandedness, they fast forwarded the stretches of AP road, rails, airports etc.

The above are the reasons for getting fed up of AP which led to consensus among several central admin towards division of state. This will not work anymore and it will be in AP's interest if it lays a path to be self sufficient and living in its means.

CBN government is doing pretty good. The rhetoric is fine too as it is a good lobbying with nice sales pitches.

However, the centre has a very detail oriented goonda who will not get blackmailed. For the first time AP has got a different life to adjust too.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Jan 2015 05:02

Yagnasri wrote:I agree with ShaymP on this. Not just BJP, NM personally promissed not to abandon AP.

I don't think the promise extends to covering CBN's behind if his karma is fiscal irresponsibility. That is too much of a wishful thinking. PM NM is not god to grant mOksha going behind the back of karma. CBN will reap the karma phala - if he is responsible he will have a good long run of the field, if not not.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Jan 2015 05:10

Mupplla: It is from sumati shatakamu:

kanakapu simhAsanamuna shunkamu koorchunDa peTTi shubha lagnamunan
velayaga paTTamu kaTTina venkaTi guNamEla mAnu kadarA sumati

andarikI nootana samvatsara shubhAkAnkshalu

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Jan 2015 05:15

matrimc wrote:Mupplla: It is from sumati shatakamu:

kanakapu simhAsanamuna shunkamu koorchunDa peTTi shubha lagnamunan
velayaga paTTamu kaTTina venkaTi guNamEla mAnu kadarA sumati

andarikI nootana samvatsara shubhAkAnkshalu

Thank you. Grey cell and memory mess

Wish you happy new year too.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 02 Jan 2015 05:37

nageshks wrote:For what central assistance AP is going to get, I think we will have to wait for the Union Budget. Until then, I don't think much will be available. Second, I am with Dasari-ji here. CBN's mega capital business frightens me. Also, I don't think taking so much wet farmland out of the prime-Guntur-Krishna region is a good idea. JMT.

I agree that the next union budget is going to give clear picture. It is reasonable to assume that center is not going to give Rs100,000 crore or even Rs 50,000 for state capital. They never did and they never will. We have to wait and see. They are clearly peeved by the forcefulness of CBN to build a mega capital and rubbishing siva rama krishnan commission. In fact this is where brakes were applied, when in fact center started very aggressively on Polavaram ordinance to move more T villages into AP, moving Sileru power plant to AP control, and initiating discussions on railway zone.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 02 Jan 2015 06:15

Muppalla wrote:Dasari garu - you always count deficits etc and please tell me which state in India or for the matter the world does not have deficits. Whether AP is new or old it is same. The central government will not plug all the deficit to help AP to spend all and not do anything to generate revenues or structural adjustments.

That is not the same as asking for another Rs 100,000 crores loan when you already have Rs 150,000 crore debt and your repaying power is negative with RS 16,000 crore deficit/year. Fake real estate economy is not the way to generate revenues. The world is still recovering from the fake economy of real state. All his coterie around him are waiting for a life time bonanza of real estate - also faked as 'building a capital city'. This is exactly what RBI told him when he requested banks to give more loan to farmers using state as guarantor. Same thing will be told either by world bank or union finance ministry. He has the audacity to go with Rs 60,000 loan waiver on one side and at the same time ask for mega capital that he cannot afford. Is there any credibility here? The question is why all this, when he has cheaper alternatives that is also in alignment with center's advice. The answer is that he wants bullet proof guarantees to avoid 2004. On one hand he wants the financial support of real estate mafia for 2019 elections, and on the other hand he wants to do YSR tricks of free bee schemes. Even EJ is not out of his range of plans. This is pretty much his game plan. On top of this he still keeps one foot (or should I say one eye) on T making the AP state easy target for TRS with no appropriate response.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Jan 2015 07:04

It is impossible for TRS to have any foothold in AP. But TDP is well regarded in TG. If CBN concentrates on getting AP going in the next five years, he can certainly make inroads into TG. Hyd people in particular love him and what he has done for Hyd. If KCR makes mistakes, then BJP/TDP combine can get TG in 2019. But then KCR seems to be doing OK, at least on the face of it. If his legacy becomes a legacy for his progeny or turns into a nepotocracy, then TG going to BJP/TDP is almost assured. INC is finished (and I am saying it as a person, while not a politico, having deep old family and philosophical connections with INC in TG).

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 02 Jan 2015 08:05

the game is on in TG for backward castes, before they were with TDP. now they are up for grabs.

There is a need for an anchoring caste as well. Forget TDP in TG, it will wither. The game is for BJPs to lose, but it would need cynical and ruthless politics. It will have to make moves to absorb TDP into it, before trs grabs them like it is grabbing talasani and co from hyderabad.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 02 Jan 2015 08:12

BJP's fight with both TRS and TDP is imminent. in TRS's case, their backers already view "saffron" with fear. they think it will end their resurgent dreams of "kingdom".

in AP, neither CBN or BJP will initiate anything against each other. but the historic winds are not in regional parties' favor, both in AP and TG. they are fighting long term forces that arise out of organic changes in societies at the grass roots level. neither TRS nor TDP have the "ideology" to satisfy or "contain" those forces.

just as TRS views "saffron" with fear today, TDP will eventually come to view "saffron" with the same attitude.

this is exactly why CBN will keep "options open" with EJ's, and other such inimical forces. the remnant INC in AP might also get split between TDP and Jagan in coming years. INC will disappear. but the seeds it sowed will show fruition completely in YSRP, and partially in TDP.

meanwhile, as I've said before, TRS is writing the story of their own undoing. nobody can stop them now. they are committed bordering on fanaticism to "regain kingdom".

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 02 Jan 2015 09:02

I agree. KCR looks invincible now but his undoing might have started already - in terms power shortages. His biggest test would be power generation. He is boasting of 10000 mw new power generation in next 2 years. That is totally unheard of. If he does it, he will continue his rise. But if he falters, that will beginning of the end. He cannot blame CBN forever. One of these days, there will not be any water in Srisailam to help him out. Surprisingly, even after 6 months of state formation, his anti-andhra and anti TDP rhetoric has many takers in T.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 Jan 2015 09:31

1. I am not saying GOI should fund new capital of AP. It should not. But require permissions for Airport etc can be given and other such things can be facilitated.
2. New "Mega" capital is the useless CBN idea. It is founding traction to some extant due to insults AP people had to hear day after day from TRS and others for over a decade. Further there seems to be a "Kasi" to show the world that they can also have a "Mega" capital. I do not know if this "Kasi" end up as a big farce or not. But you can not just ignore emotions.
3. Things like new High Court etc can be speeded up with GOI taking up with SC etc.
4. Tax soaps to AP in the next budget will help making AP a manufacturing hub. NM should counsel CBN to go for active manifacturing growth in Distrcits like Nellore bordering Chennai and Karnool and Anathapur bordering/very near to Hyderabad and Bangalore. Cheap land and soaps will ensure AP will be come an magnet for investement. I do hope CBN get sense this time around.

One of the major thing people are not seeing is the role of the one important person in AP state - Parakala Prabhakar who opposed the division of AP and who is husbend of Nirmala Sitaraman. He may be already contributing a lot for the AP. Both NSR and PP are well known in AP and together with Ram Madhav we may be looking at BJPs CM candidates for AP in future.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 02 Jan 2015 09:43

What are the chances that the TDP will merge with the BJP in future claiming that the BJP represents the best bet for the future of Andhra.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Jan 2015 09:45

Pratyush wrote:What are the chances that the TDP will merge with the BJP in future claiming that the BJP represents the best bet for the future of Andhra.

With CBN in the picture??

member_28533 · Post by **member_28533** » 02 Jan 2015 09:49

Wonder if anyone travelled & spent some time talking to locals in the past few months.

CBN's popularity is now riding high with farmer loan waiver, he has won over small scale farmers - apparently AP govt itself sold/smuggled red sandlewood from Nallamalla forests to raise part of those funds to fulfill that promise, after a deal with TTD to look the other way - as that forest area belongs to the lord. But the man still does not command respect or emotional attachment from the masses, he is still viewed as a borderline untrustworthy who only landed the job due to his experience in capital building.

Plus, people were/are still afraid of Jagan.. not just due to his PhD in corruption, but his "hot temper" and aggressive nature.. things I heard from some sources were too fantastic to believe - Jagan used to apparently fight with his dad after the latter pulled him up over his corrupt practices and he supposedly beat his own father black and blue once.. right from the murder of Paritala to jala yagnam scams, everything is attributed to Jagan as his father watched helplessly. YSR's death had indeed caused greater sympathy.

And this is why, the impression I get is Cong/YSRC is far from dead - partly due to the charisma of YSR, he is surprisingly highly respected by the entire lower & mid-strata of society, and people are attached to him. He is perceived as a good man cursed with a spoilt brat of a son. Now if Jagan gets jailed & fried, and Sharmila takes over, she may pose a greater threat.

It also helps them that almost the entire SC and majority of BC population of Guntur, Prakasam, Seema and Godavari districts have already been converted. In some villages its just 1 Hindu caste (say Chowdaries, Reddies) left and rest is entirely Christian. Looking at the way Christmas is being celebrated, one would wonder if AP is already a Christian majority region. Some people say they are at least 30% in most towns, and some villages already have 60-90% Christian population.

Many cab drivers in both AP and TG are muslims, and very indicized and true to their telugu roots. All of them speak fluent telugu, have sons & daughters being educated, not many instances of polygamy - and frankly they know more about temples and rituals than some of our westernized city dwellers do. Many also regularly visit major hindu temples. Islam, particularly the indicized version that is well integrated into mainstream, is not even the remotest of problem for Andhra and rural TG. Perhaps good that partition happened as AP muslims will be free from stranglehold of Hyd based Razakar hawks. The conflict in AP is clearly between Hindus & EJs - who have very strong foreign funds & dedicated votebanks, who are aspiring to exploit caste fissures into alienating a vast chunk of population for some long term geopolitical interests.

RSS is just making its mark and there is a perceived change in the way people are beginning to think about the dangers of conversion.. on the outside, everything is peaceful - but the issue of conversions is on everyone's minds. Locals have started asserting their Hindu identities as well - outside every major town in both Seema and Andhra - huge statues of Lord Hanuman have been erected by locals just in the vicinity of churches. These are typically 30-50ft in height and I think the tallest one around Vijayawada is over 100 ft. Brilliant response by locals, with no role of Sangh parivar.

Whats bad news is almost every other American colleague of mine know what is Andhra Pradesh as they have a friend who recently went over for missionary work in that state - names like Bapatla, Guntur, Machilipatnam roll off their tongues easily. Not everyone may know about Chennai or Kochi, but they know these small towns of AP ! Obviously, given the global dimension involved, locals cannot fight this battle alone and would require pan-hindu forces to assist. It would serve BJP's long term interests to establish a strong presence in AP - hope some higher up in RSS/BJP is listening !

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 02 Jan 2015 09:59

^^^

With or without CBN in the picture.

member_28533 · Post by **member_28533** » 02 Jan 2015 10:06

Pratyush wrote:What are the chances that the TDP will merge with the BJP in future claiming that the BJP represents the best bet for the future of Andhra.

TDP is and will always be a Kamma party, its only saving grace for now is CBN's strategic leadership. But in the end, as Kamma dominance will start asserting, like in the past, rest of the communities will feel alienated and look for alternatives.

BJP therefore needs to do what it did in MH, Haryana or Jharkhand, offer a Fresh, clean face as their CM candidate not belonging to the dominant community.

Heck, BJP can put up a clean, non-corrupt, son-of-the-soil, Indicized MUSLIM as their CM candidate would be a coup de grace to Congies, YSRC & TDP. Muslims are looked as a Backward community anyway - and would take out half the sheen of "secular" vs "communal" debate that it will be inevitably drawn into. It cannot go on a development argument against CBN as he already has that cornered.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jan 2015 17:33

Mchillian can confirm all your observations. Have traveled a lot last three weeks and interacted with every strata in both states. All's can confirm revival of Shakti temples in local form.

Yagnasri, Reddys need a shelter and AS is trying to give alternate to Jagan.

Also to understand KCR stand in his shoes. The mango people have deep resentment still and he panders to that sentiment.

More once I get back.

Devesh is also right in his observations.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 03 Jan 2015 01:24

This will go really well with Modi and BJP. This guy thinks he is invincible right now.

Nizam was great, secular ruler: Telangana CM

Showering praise on the Nizam, the ruler of erstwhile Hyderabad State, Telangana chief minister K Chandrasekhar Rao described him as great and secular.

"He was glorious king. Some small mistakes may have happened but they happen in any kingdom," KCR, as the chief minister is popularly known, said while lauding him for development and welfare projects.

Inaugurating 75th All India Industrial Exhibition here Thursday evening, he recalled the role played by Nizam in promoting the annual exhibition popularly known as 'numaish'.

Defending his praise for Nizam and visiting his grave on the occasion of his death anniversary, KCR said when people in Andhra Pradesh can celebrate birth and death anniversary of Arthur Cotton, a British engineer, why can't he visit the Nizam's grave.

"They remember Cotton every year because he built Godavari Anicut, which irrigates four lakh acres. He was an engineer of British Raj which suppressed and looted the country for 200 years," said the chief minister.

KCR said the Nizam built Nizamsagar project in Telangana. "Nizam is our king. It is our history but in the united Andhra Pradesh they made every attempt to wipe out our history," said KCR targetting the successive governments of undivided state.

The chief minister said it was the Nizam who built the Nizam Sugar Factory, Secunderabad and Nampally railway stations, Osmania, Gandhi, Niloufer, cancer and orthopaedic hospitals. "Have they added any railway station or government hospital in Hyderabad other than those built by Nizam," asked the president of Telangana Rashtra Samithi (TRS).

He pointed out that even after losing power following 'police action', last Nizam, Mir Osman Ali Khan got an orthopaedic hospital constructed on his land and with his money.

"He was then governor or Raj Pramukh. When his driver fractured his hand, he sent him to Osmania Hospital for treatment. The doctors said the treatment is available only in Bombay and Madras. The Nizam asked then chief minister to construct an orthopedic hospital on his 250 acre land and with his money."

Brushing aside the doubts over Hyderabad's development, KCR said no one can stop it. He claimed that no other city in India has such a cosmopolitan society. "You find people of all religions and communities here. For three centuries the city absorbed everybody who came here," he said.

He alleged that the city suffered during last few years due to short-sighted policies of the rulers from Andhra.

Stating that every year 10 lakh people were adding to the city's population, the TRS chief said the infrastructure was not catering to the needs. He referred to traffic gridlock and stagnation of rain water on roads.

KCR vowed to develop Hyderabad as a true global and smart city. He promised to develop s multilayer flyovers, signal-free and traffic police free crossroads.

The chief minister sought the cooperation of people of Hyderabad to decongest the city.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 Jan 2015 02:51

Dasari wrote:This will go really well with Modi and BJP. This guy thinks he is invincible right now.

Nizam was great, secular ruler: Telangana CM

Good that KCR is saying the Telangana people were terrorists against Nizam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mYAEQqrZhs

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Jan 2015 06:05

Airbus to set up shop in Anantapur

Airbus, one of the world's leading commercial aircraft manufacturers, it is reliably learnt, is looking to set up shop in Anantapur district of Andhra Pradesh.

Speaking to The Hindu, the Anantapur Collector, Solomon Arogyaraj, said that the officials of Airbus had indeed approached the State government which had offered them 250 acres of land near Palasamudram village of the Gorantla mandal.

The site is on the Hyderabad- Bengaluru National Highway, 80 km from Anantapur town and about 90 km from the Bengaluru.

The stretch of land, entirely belonging to the government, was in line with the requirements of Airbus, as it was close to the Bengaluru International Airport, providing unhindered and fast access to it, he said.

He had no idea of Airbus’-specific plans and the type of industry it wants to set up and the scale of investment.
Major industrial hub
But the proposal by Airbus has the potential to turn the district into a major industrial hub for other aircraft part manufacturing, aircraft maintenance and logistics industry, catering to the supply chain needs, he added.

It has long been proposed that the district and especially the southern part of it bordering Karnataka State, had the potential to become a logistics hub to cater to industries choosing to export and import using the Bengaluru airport.

There are several and several news like that in the last six months. This I am putting here for those who are concerned at revenues and unnecessarily about big capital city etc. These are all linked in AP context.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Jan 2015 06:43

Dasari wrote:That is not the same as asking for another Rs 100,000 crores loan when you already have Rs 150,000 crore debt and your repaying power is negative with RS 16,000 crore deficit/year. Fake real estate economy is not the way to generate revenues. The world is still recovering from the fake economy of real state. All his coterie around him are waiting for a life time bonanza of real estate - also faked as 'building a capital city'. This is exactly what RBI told him when he requested banks to give more loan to farmers using state as guarantor. Same thing will be told either by world bank or union finance ministry. He has the audacity to go with Rs 60,000 loan waiver on one side and at the same time ask for mega capital that he cannot afford. Is there any credibility here? The question is why all this, when he has cheaper alternatives that is also in alignment with center's advice. The answer is that he wants bullet proof guarantees to avoid 2004. On one hand he wants the financial support of real estate mafia for 2019 elections, and on the other hand he wants to do YSR tricks of free bee schemes. Even EJ is not out of his range of plans. This is pretty much his game plan. On top of this he still keeps one foot (or should I say one eye) on T making the AP state easy target for TRS with no appropriate response.

Take out the political part and I promise we can discuss later as the capital in Krishna/Guntur districts will have massive politics.

The way it is planned is an epicenter of Capital that consists just the seat of government (CM office, house, assembly, MLA quarters, government offices, courts etc). This is being planned as both sides of river Krishna as river fronts and mostly on the Guntur district side. This will be Government's cost and AP state government is lobbying to get this as much from center as it promised to fund. Here also AP has an ambitious plan of multiple 40 stored buildings with a epic structured assembly etc. I think it is not ego as it is expected to see in future for pride etc.

The 184 km outer ring road is already approved by center as ORR. It was 150KM and now they changed just the alignment and length. Again this follows the NHAI funding/contracting model.

AP government will have to construct a planned IRR ( Innner Ring Road) and Metro and about four multi lane bridges. These things will go in BOT model with tolls etc.

You are always calculating only costs and costs into revenue deficits. Another thing is you are always calculating all the things around the 184 km diameter as some cost of Capitol. Whether you want to call capital or not, the central planning have decided to promote several clusters (I believe some 200 across India) across India as industrial dev areas. Vizag, Vijayawada, Kakinada, Nellore, Tirupati, Anantapur fall under these clusters. It is up to state governments how they will maximize the development. These are mostly financed by finance corporations/banks and BOTs. The only thing that GOI will do is fast clearances that are required.

The cost is there but all these satellite cities are expected to generate revenues due to expected industries that are supposed to come.

Real estate mafia can do whatever they want and they can only sell if the industries really come. Let the private money flow. The infrastructure is always some 20 to 40 yr loans depending on type of closure.

Similar stuff is happening quietly in Vizag, Kakinada, Tirupati as well. ORRs, IRRs, real estate is all booming. But not like as crappy and hyped up as Vijayawada area. Size wise in a decade time AP will have three big cities of the size of 2015's Hyderabad.

Now the million dollar questions is does the revenues to repay the loans come or not. The way AP government is planning, I believe it will. Look all the news then you will get a pattern. The way the government is branding is that AP is a state of coast with large scale port facilities. AP is building several ports unheard of and it is also trying to build too many airports too. This is not foolish at all because the entire focus is to become a logistics hub. See the airbus news above and you can see a lot like that if you are following last six months news.

I would not worry about deficits as long as diversified industries, hubs infrastructure grows. I would definitely worry if there are too many freebies with less returns and also unnecessary government run stuff such as APSRTC etc.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 03 Jan 2015 07:10

Dasari wrote:Surprisingly, even after 6 months of state formation, his anti-andhra and anti TDP rhetoric has many takers in T.

Just as 67 years after its formation, there are many takers of anti-India and anti-Hindu rhetoric in Pakistan.

Seriously, hatred (of the other) can be a surprisingly strong glue to hold a group of people together and make them dance to your tune.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 03 Jan 2015 07:19

Kakkaji: Is it your case that average ellayya of TG hates the average mallayya of AP?

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 03 Jan 2015 07:29

matrimc wrote:Kakkaji: Is it your case that average ellayya of TG hates the average mallayya of AP?

No, I was commenting on why the leaders of TRS may want to keep stoking the hatred of AP to keep themselves in power in T.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 Jan 2015 07:32

matrimc wrote:Kakkaji: Is it your case that average ellayya of TG hates the average mallayya of AP?

I think what he meant is it is what KCR ilk are trying to do. Whether Ellayya falls for it or not is up to Ellayya. Since they voted for him it is right assumption for outside observer until next elections.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 Jan 2015 07:46

Muppalla wrote: You are always calculating only costs and costs into revenue deficits. Another thing is you are always calculating all the things around the 184 km diameter as some cost of Capitol. Whether you want to call capital or not, the central planning have decided to promote several clusters (I believe some 200 across India) across India as industrial dev areas. Vizag, Vijayawada, Kakinada, Nellore, Tirupati, Anantapur fall under these clusters. It is up to state governments how they will maximize the development. These are mostly financed by finance corporations/banks and BOTs. The only thing that GOI will do is fast clearances that are required.

The cost is there but all these satellite cities are expected to generate revenues due to expected industries that are supposed to come.

Real estate mafia can do whatever they want and they can only sell if the industries really come. Let the private money flow. The infrastructure is always some 20 to 40 yr loans depending on type of closure.

Similar stuff is happening quietly in Vizag, Kakinada, Tirupati as well. ORRs, IRRs, real estate is all booming. But not like as crappy and hyped up as Vijayawada area. Size wise in a decade time AP will have three big cities of the size of 2015's Hyderabad.

The way Dasari is looking at cost/investment is like accountant, it is burden or risk looking at this current time. Even when Hyderabad was being developed some 20 years ago, it looked like that until (well at least till 2014) it became massive generator of revenue and employment.

Private money people were ready to go all-in with their investments as soon as TDP formed government. How private money is playing out can be visible in 2-3 years time.

The hidden dynamics in AP are such that TDP win is almost guarantee for next time also.

kittigadu · Post by **kittigadu** » 03 Jan 2015 11:19

devesh wrote:BJP's fight with both TRS and TDP is imminent. in TRS's case, their backers already view "saffron" with fear. they think it will end their resurgent dreams of "kingdom".
meanwhile, as I've said before, TRS is writing the story of their own undoing. nobody can stop them now. they are committed bordering on fanaticism to "regain kingdom".

Heard from an insider, that CBN told his trusted MLAs and MPs that Jagan will be neutralized within an year, and the BJP is the one to be feared. The entire capital construction is to provide a bonanza to kamma land sharks. Already several crocodiles I know, have parked a lot of money around the Amravati- Guntur area, in anticipation of five fold gains in 5 years. I have already heard a lot of rancor from people of North coastal andhra and how CBN is repeating his previous mistakes. It is not tat CBN is not aware, but there is too much money to be made. When the BJP rises in a big way, he will cut a deal with the EJs, my sense up is that this will happen before 2019, provided YSRCP is completely neutralized by then. Let us see what Amit Shah does. Will he succeed where the VijayNagar emperors and Musunuru Nayaks failed ?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 03 Jan 2015 11:32

kittigadu wrote: Heard from an insider, that CBN told his trusted MLAs and MPs that Jagan will be neutralized within an year, and the BJP is the one to be feared. The entire capital construction is to provide a bonanza to kamma land sharks. Already several crocodiles I know, have parked a lot of money around the Amravati- Guntur area, in anticipation of five fold gains in 5 years. I have already heard a lot of rancor from people of North coastal andhra and how CBN is repeating his previous mistakes. It is not tat CBN is not aware, but there is too much money to be made. When the BJP rises in a big way, he will cut a deal with the EJs, my sense up is that this will happen before 2019, provided YSRCP is completely neutralized by then. Let us see what Amit Shah does. Will he succeed where the VijayNagar emperors and Musunuru Nayaks failed ?

What about BJP fortunes on the other side? On AP side, BJP is recruiting KKR, Kandula brothers, and if the grapevine be true, then even people like Botsa & Anam Ramanarayana Reddy. What is BJP doing in TG?

kittigadu · Post by **kittigadu** » 03 Jan 2015 11:47

Not sure what the BJP is doing sir. I have no contacts there. I am told that the CBNs worry stems from what the BJP has done to the Shiv Sena in maha and Nitish in Bihar. He feels that once they deal with Mamata, he and Naveen are next.

kittigadu · Post by **kittigadu** » 03 Jan 2015 11:55

Dasari wrote:For the acquisition of land for the proposed mega capital, AP govt finalized the formula. For every acre of land they are going to give 1000 sq yard of fully developed residential land and 200 sq. yards of commercial land. If the land happens to be a wet land, then they get 300 sq yard of commercial land. If you look at the total jack pot for these farmers, it is mind boggling. With the creation of mega capital where govt is providing all amenities and infrastructure surrounding this area, where the land is already at premium, this will fetch Rs 50,000 - 100,000 / sq yard for the land owners. That is whopping Rs 5-10 crores per acre. So the economy of the state is going to suck up Rs 150,0000 - 300,000 crores of fictitious cost with no output to show. One could argue that it is all private money, but nevertheless it is going to usurp that much capital out of the economy, starving the real sectors where investment is needed.

BJP is absolutely right to advocate that smaller administrative capital, with distributed functions across the sate is the correct model for the new state. Then no place would have hyper inflated artificial real estate prices, and keep the cost of rebuilding efforts at minimum. But CBN doesn't get it. He is either consumed by ego to build a rival city to Hyderabad or trying to pay back his well wishers and financial backers for 10 years of drought that they endured. This may ultimately turn out be CBN's downfall and an opportunity for BJP.

Yes, most sharks are going to the proposed area and buying up land for 1-2 Crores an acre, in anticipation of 5-10 Crores in 5-10 years. Sujana choudary who was made central cabinet minister on CBNs nomination was one of main financier for 10 years and is a crony capitalist par excellence. The new capital is meant for such sharks. There is also the scam of giving free land for private corporate hospitals etc. All in all a bonanza for sharks and crocodiles

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jan 2015 12:03

I saw a new Telugu movie called 'Mana kurralle!'. Its a timely theme and has all the current issues but located in the past. Land mafia, real estate boom, govt SEZ scams...

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 03 Jan 2015 12:23

kittigadu wrote:
devesh wrote:BJP's fight with both TRS and TDP is imminent. in TRS's case, their backers already view "saffron" with fear. they think it will end their resurgent dreams of "kingdom".
meanwhile, as I've said before, TRS is writing the story of their own undoing. nobody can stop them now. they are committed bordering on fanaticism to "regain kingdom".
Heard from an insider, that CBN told his trusted MLAs and MPs that Jagan will be neutralized within an year, and the BJP is the one to be feared. The entire capital construction is to provide a bonanza to kamma land sharks. Already several crocodiles I know, have parked a lot of money around the Amravati- Guntur area, in anticipation of five fold gains in 5 years. I have already heard a lot of rancor from people of North coastal andhra and how CBN is repeating his previous mistakes. It is not tat CBN is not aware, but there is too much money to be made. When the BJP rises in a big way, he will cut a deal with the EJs, my sense up is that this will happen before 2019, provided YSRCP is completely neutralized by then. Let us see what Amit Shah does. Will he succeed where the VijayNagar emperors and Musunuru Nayaks failed ?

kittigadu wrote:Not sure what the BJP is doing sir. I have no contacts there. I am told that the CBNs worry stems from what the BJP has done to the Shiv Sena in maha and Nitish in Bihar. He feels that once they deal with Mamata, he and Naveen are next.

I don't have any inside sources, but I too get the same sense. It seems that both Kay See Aar and CBN are preparing to align with minorities to deal with the onslaught of lotus in future.

But, this is a local level game. There seems to be a more higher game.

There seems to be a long-term plan to create a new EJ country in the south. The division of AP seems to be for that reason. The division AP was revived after the destruction of ltte.

Also notice, some people comparing T with Cashmeer. These comparisons hint at something.

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It seems to me that Ovaisi is the Nizam and Ajam Khan is the Nawab.

How come they become so powerful? I think its Bak connection.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 03 Jan 2015 12:58

Muppalla wrote:
Dasari wrote:That is not the same as asking for another Rs 100,000 crores loan when you already have Rs 150,000 crore debt and your repaying power is negative with RS 16,000 crore deficit/year. Fake real estate economy is not the way to generate revenues. The world is still recovering from the fake economy of real state. All his coterie around him are waiting for a life time bonanza of real estate - also faked as 'building a capital city'. This is exactly what RBI told him when he requested banks to give more loan to farmers using state as guarantor. Same thing will be told either by world bank or union finance ministry. He has the audacity to go with Rs 60,000 loan waiver on one side and at the same time ask for mega capital that he cannot afford. Is there any credibility here? The question is why all this, when he has cheaper alternatives that is also in alignment with center's advice. The answer is that he wants bullet proof guarantees to avoid 2004. On one hand he wants the financial support of real estate mafia for 2019 elections, and on the other hand he wants to do YSR tricks of free bee schemes. Even EJ is not out of his range of plans. This is pretty much his game plan. On top of this he still keeps one foot (or should I say one eye) on T making the AP state easy target for TRS with no appropriate response.
Take out the political part and I promise we can discuss later as the capital in Krishna/Guntur districts will have massive politics.

The way it is planned is an epicenter of Capital that consists just the seat of government (CM office, house, assembly, MLA quarters, government offices, courts etc). This is being planned as both sides of river Krishna as river fronts and mostly on the Guntur district side. This will be Government's cost and AP state government is lobbying to get this as much from center as it promised to fund. Here also AP has an ambitious plan of multiple 40 stored buildings with a epic structured assembly etc. I think it is not ego as it is expected to see in future for pride etc.

The 184 km outer ring road is already approved by center as ORR. It was 150KM and now they changed just the alignment and length. Again this follows the NHAI funding/contracting model.

AP government will have to construct a planned IRR ( Innner Ring Road) and Metro and about four multi lane bridges. These things will go in BOT model with tolls etc.

You are always calculating only costs and costs into revenue deficits. Another thing is you are always calculating all the things around the 184 km diameter as some cost of Capitol. Whether you want to call capital or not, the central planning have decided to promote several clusters (I believe some 200 across India) across India as industrial dev areas. Vizag, Vijayawada, Kakinada, Nellore, Tirupati, Anantapur fall under these clusters. It is up to state governments how they will maximize the development. These are mostly financed by finance corporations/banks and BOTs. The only thing that GOI will do is fast clearances that are required.

The cost is there but all these satellite cities are expected to generate revenues due to expected industries that are supposed to come.

Real estate mafia can do whatever they want and they can only sell if the industries really come. Let the private money flow. The infrastructure is always some 20 to 40 yr loans depending on type of closure.

Similar stuff is happening quietly in Vizag, Kakinada, Tirupati as well. ORRs, IRRs, real estate is all booming. But not like as crappy and hyped up as Vijayawada area. Size wise in a decade time AP will have three big cities of the size of 2015's Hyderabad.

Now the million dollar questions is does the revenues to repay the loans come or not. The way AP government is planning, I believe it will. Look all the news then you will get a pattern. The way the government is branding is that AP is a state of coast with large scale port facilities. AP is building several ports unheard of and it is also trying to build too many airports too. This is not foolish at all because the entire focus is to become a logistics hub. See the airbus news above and you can see a lot like that if you are following last six months news.

I would not worry about deficits as long as diversified industries, hubs infrastructure grows. I would definitely worry if there are too many freebies with less returns and also unnecessary government run stuff such as APSRTC etc.

I respectfully disagree with your summary. This is exactly what politicians and crony capitalists would like us to think, ignoring the enormous cost to the rest of the state. If we try to make another Hyderabad and force all the development in the capital like we did earlier, it will be at the expense of the remaining 10-11 districts.

Look at this way: When the mega capital is forced on rest of the state, it will generate a fortune of Rs 300,000 crores for the land owners and real estate dealers in the two districts (main reason behind this lunacy). Where does this wealth comes from without producing anything real - not a needle or a grain of rice - but flipping the land from one seller to another. The wealth is simply transferred from far flung districts, as they forced to travel to the new capital, in terms of premium they pay for housing, renting, entertainment, food etc. When an acre of land is sold at 4-5 crores/acre, the cost will creep into the house valuations, apartment rents, restaurants , hotels everything that is transacted in the capital. This cost is enormous to the rest of the state to bear especially when it is not done organically. Does govt guarantee that an employee migrated from Srikakulam is going to get a house or land in the capital? Can they take their one acre of land and give them 1000 sq yard in the capital? Or do they live in squalor that will crop up all over the capital for the people who cannot afford this hyper inflated real estate. Those are the things we need to think about, not just cheer leading false pride of AP's GDP surpassing that of Karnataka or Tamilnadu, even assuming this fake real estate economy is sustainable.

There is another down side of real estate growth. There is enormous black money floating around as we speak. One of my colleague is suffering from very strange self inflicted problem he is facing. He sold his property for crores of rupees but most of it is black. He is so pained that he cannot bring that money openly. The only option he has is to convert that black money into another physical asset. So all these fake millionaires will go to the rest of the state and will buy their lands. So again the crony capitalists will say that real estate prices are growing all over the state and everybody is getting benefited. Are they? Yes, it will trickle down displacing all the local people. Already in Vizianagram and Srikakulam , vast stretches of lands are bought by the land mafia with their ill gotten wealth. We talk about religious conversion and its impacts on social harmony. This is even bigger. All they need is another KCR and Sonia to exploit this divide and rip this state further.

Lastly, what will happen to the hundreds thousands of acres of pristine agriculture land that produces 3-4 crops/year surrounding this 30,000 acres. Do they simply cultivate rice and be happy with Rs 50,000 /acre of annual income or pack their bags and wind it off to make life time fortune? Can they be blamed?. Isn't this man made natural catastrophe that is going to strike us?

The question we need to ask is why do we need to make this complicated. Unlike T, AP has several urban towns that can readily absorb the growth (In the erstwhile AP, SA had nine out of 11 towns that has more than 4 lakh population). So why do we need another Hyderabad? Did our ego hurt so bad that we are desperate to show off our mettle to create a capital that can rival Hyderabad?. In this day and age what is the need for another mega city? This is not building hampi vizianagaram. Is it? Are we in medieval times to artificially build cities? Instead cities have to be grown by people and private enterprises. The role of govt is provide infrastructure all over the state. What CBN needs is few buildings to house his employees to work. Rest is all nonsense.

All over the world, the urban planners are referring to decentralized townships as a way of sustainable growth. The City of Portland, the most livable city in the USA, has passed a law not to grow the city even a inch wider or higher. If anybody wants to start a company in Oregon, just go to next the next city. With this division, AP is blessed to introduce similar concept and dump this mega centralized model. It can be like California, from Sand Diego to San Francisco where it is hard to delineate where one city ends and the other starts.This is exactly what Siva Rama krishnan commission envisioned with very practical and progressive recommendations. Not only they defy SRK committee report, but they even accuse him to undermine AP growth because he is Tamil. Let us not fool ourselves as if we don't know why this is being done. Hopefully BJP tackles this.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 Jan 2015 13:36

A.P. problem is not CBN or BJP wins. It is stoping Con Mafia teams from taking over any place in south. In long term it shall be a goal. With Division Con Mafia is not weak. It should be made just like TN and not like Karnataka. CBN will jump into BJP lap as long as BJP will get some 200plus seats. Like old times he is not a stratigic thinker and has no long term visition. Con Mafia and EJ interests in south india, including in Telugu lands are near identical. Of course it is same elsewhere also. But South we are EJ is having lot of sucess in AP and doing lot of investement in AP and TN. It seems they have left TG exclusively to MIM and peacefuls with Bobili Dora helping them. I am quite confident that TG people are ggoing to be more Indic politically and BJP will have a great chance there than in AP. Bobili dora is under estimating the civilisational memory of TG people on Razakars and when time comes, hopefully in 2019, they will teach his kind a good lesson.

Killing Con Mafia hold on Telugu lands will ensure it will remain below 100 in any GE from now onwards. It lost capacity to build a party since 1960s and once it lost some place for two or three times it almost never recovers. Particularly if some others replace it as Ruling and Opposition parties. Example UP, Bihar, TN, Kerala etc. Except 2009 it always got aroung 140 nationally and with United AP gone and BJP back in UP 100 shall be maximum for them in any GE in future.

chandrasekhar.m · Post by **chandrasekhar.m** » 03 Jan 2015 14:50

If someone knows where to buy Veyipadagalu (and other Telugu books discussed earlier in this thread) in Hyderabad, please tell me. If not, is it possible to get it shipped from somewhere else in India?

I could try the second hand book market in Hyderabad tomorrow, but decided its better to support publisher and buy new book.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jan 2015 00:16

Dasari garu, we can agree to disagree.

Too many non-truths are being used to build a case. I disagree that there was ever an economy/growth just with real estate. It is always industry and infrastructure that brought growth to both economy, jobs and also real estate. Even Hyderabad was industry first and then real estate. Hypes, speculations are all over the world. Entire USA is like this and real estate boom is all same everywhere. (if someone thinks USA is gold standard). California is same. All "big cities and satellite cities around big cities" are economic centers and rest is all either forests or barren lands uninhabited. Come to place where I now live called as Ashburn, VA and I will show you how dirty the speculation and growth of real estate is. There is no single family home here that is less than 600K. A decent 1/4 acre one 800K. A lot Indians here own homes worth million dollar.

I lived in Portland Oregon. It is a massive city with a big down town of high rises with ring road style highways and Intel farms are in the outskirts. Leave Portland and outskirts there is hardly anything at all. Salem - the seat of Government is a stone throw from Portland. Eugene is a all wood and timber. Rest is all mountains and trees and nothing else. There is hardly any population beyond Eugene, Salem, Porland vicinities. One other resort city is called as Oregon city where Acharya Rajneesh was famous. Get on 80 something and after an hour you won't get a gas station for miles.

(1) Untruth-1 is that there are 3-4 crops per year in Krishna/Guntur districts. Come on guys you don't like this does not mean you have to spin to extremes. it is just east-Godavari dt where there are three crops. In West Godavari and Delta area of Krishna it is just TWO crops. There is no way in heaven or hell that a farmer can make two crops on the uplands of area between Mangalagiri and Amravati. It was either commercial crop or vegetables as crops.

(2) Untruth-2 is that we can develop some district without acquiring lands for industry and without providing housing to move in there for work. How can housing happen without real estate? Some sort of shady railway quarters

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(3) Untruth-3 is that kammas have parked a lot of money around Mangalagiri/Amravati areas. This is a hilarious argument.

The lands here are mostly owned by Kammas since 60s and any one else here have exited as late as 80s and 90s. That particular stretch of land on either side of Krishna, Mangalagiri to Amravati on Guntur district side and from Kanakadurgamma temple to Jaggayapeta on Krishna district side are all in the hands of kammas. Hardly few lands (may be just 20%) may be in someone else's hands. About a decade ago even lease used to be in Kammas hands. Both the sellers and buyers are Kammas here and that is what you have to note if you analyze the dynamics of future politics. The strongest Kamma leaders such as Vadde Shobanadriswara Rao is opposing tooth and nail against giving up lands here. Also, CBN lost mostly in these areas after NTR's exit

. The kamma leadership of this region starting from Upendra and later Lagdapati etc are all very anti-CBN. Rayapati Sambasiva Rao is an odd man out as he joined TDP after a long long innings in INC. Even Kavuri Sambasiva Rao joined BJP instead of TDP. It is just a real myth that CBN has pull on Kammas in this " particular new Capital region ". There are several in the community who thinks CBN is traitor#1

Let me tell my view - the entire resentment is that this region's so called "sharks" are grabbing lands all over the state. Now it is just smaller shark getting from a bigger shark. At the outset they can't complain as they wanted Vja-Gnt as capital from the times of T.Prakasam but they also will be at "home only" allowing others in other areas to breathe ease.

The casteistic-business-strategist of his region hate CBN like anything for putting them to this ordeal. I personally consider this as master stroke either thought out or accident.

I will write EJ crap and related political movements later. Most of you are right. TDP will pander to EJs later as Jagan and INC will exit the scene.