Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-2014)

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 13 Jan 2015 07:10

Guys nowadays i'm having Cartoonophobia

The Phobia of Cartoons.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 13 Jan 2015 07:33

http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/blog/ ... h-manning/

As highlighted within the statement, both Muslim and non-Muslim communities need to reclaim and embrace the true meaning of Islam.

WTF. Why should non-muslims give a sh1t about "true meaning of islam" as long as it does not violent murderers and thugs committing terrorism on a regular basis? It is for muslims to keep to "false muslims" who seem to commit terror in check -- non muslims have nothing to do with it.

This is the danger of asking for "condemning" acts which are worthless in reality -- it just becomes another way of getting everyone to "show sensitivity" to islam rather than have muslims create a system where they assist non muslims in taking out the criminals and terrorists in their midst, and remove the imams and other ignorant, regressive tools from the picture.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 13 Jan 2015 07:36

The inevitable result of political correctness
http://twitter.com/aliveness_ape/status ... 20/photo/1

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 13 Jan 2015 08:08

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ill-spread

The British are the world’s worst cowards. It is one thing to say you don’t approve of Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons. But the BBC, Channel 4 and many newspapers won’t run any images of Mohammad whatsoever. They would at least have acknowledged censorship if they had announced that they were frightened of attacks on their staff. They would have clung to a remnant of their honour if they had said: “We are not censoring out of respect. We loathe the murderers who enforce their taboos with Kalashnikovs. But we do not want to spend years living in hiding, as Salman Rushdie did. Or be stabbed in the street, as Theo van Gogh was. Or hear an Islamist smash at our door with an axe and cry: “We will get our revenge,” – as Kurt Westergaard did. So we are backing away.”

Colleagues who wanted historians at a London museum to talk about the long history of depictions of Muhammad in Islamic art last week were met with panicking press officers trying to shut them up. Historian Tom Holland, who received death threats after he challenged the creation myths of Islam, said: “I cannot think of any other area of history where debate is so nervous.” He hopes that historians will continue to say that the Koran was a manmade creation, but doubts that journalists will be keen to take their work to the public.

UK is all set to become dominated by these jihadis…churchill's dreams come true, really.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Jan 2015 08:49

Tuvaluan wrote:I am starting to buy the thesis that India's justice system is guaranteed not by the state (as it does not have the capacity to do so) but by society at large, which is of course uncontrolled and mostly mob justice and innocent people get hurt…but that is only one step removed from the "jury system" where everyone goes through a complicated song and dance before societies prejudices are imposed on the victim(s).

If you increase the complexity of the scenario one can judge the relative efficacy of the "top-down" law-judge-jury system versus mob justice/communal riot.

In mob justice/communal riot the issue is "addressed" there and then. The implication is that before you join a procession that might hurt sentiments of people along the route, you had better decide whether you are willing to get caught up in a riot. Once you are in, you must be ready for the fight if your crowd steps out of bounds.

In a "regulated" protest march, the crowd gets to say any damn thing because the marchers are protected and a person who joins the march with the intent to provoke and insult does so knowing that the law will protect him and he need not risk his own safety by provoking others.

The interesting thing about mob justice and communal riots is that the arrest and incarceration of the most violent and most provocative people leaves behind a crowd of people who might either negotiate or show temperance. In the absence of such violence - no one gets arrested and no one needs to show temperance. There is a philosophical lesson in this. No one likes everyone else in his community. Society is full of irritating assholes. This society can be made to work in two ways.

1. A top down legal system can demand that everyone shakes hands and pretends to like each other under pain of punishment

2. Society accepts that assholes exist and people keep away from each other in sub-communities, allowing each community space to be assholes while temperance is shown in common public ground like markets.

India developed the latter system for thousands of years

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 13 Jan 2015 09:58

Amir Khan and the movie makers of PK stand with the Charlie Hebdo newspaper that is reprinting those cartoons of Mohammad.

I would think... ? cause those buggers love free speech so much I hear.

The congress supporters of PK movie also are standing behind Charlie Hebdo and rejoicing the fact that CH is redoing the cartoons on Mohammad? The political left congressies who stood with M.F.Hussain are all standing behind Charlie Hebdo publishing these offensive cartoons of Mohammad.

Sonia Gandhi and Rahul are standing on the side of free speech of Amir Khan, M. F.Hussain and Charlie Hebdo.

Thats so nice! I can't get enough of learning about liberty and free speech from the left of India.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 13 Jan 2015 15:00

Idiotic French men & women who I know, delusional with political correctness, are flooding my FB feed with 'Welcome King Abdullah' and 'Islam != Terror' crap. Poor guys don't have smallest of clues on what's in store for them.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 13 Jan 2015 15:11

To think that these people are the blood of Franks who stopped the Islam's spread in Europe. Political correctness will make Eurobia and nothing else. Obomber is afraid even to attend the March. Europe is in serious s**t and has no clue.

Sometime back I read Tom Kortman Syfy alternative history novel Erubia. Soon we are all going to see it. May be couple of decades.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 13 Jan 2015 17:38

Chandragupta wrote:Idiotic French men & women who I know, delusional with political correctness, are flooding my FB feed with 'Welcome King Abdullah' and 'Islam != Terror' crap. Poor guys don't have smallest of clues on what's in store for them.

Stockholm Syndrome.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 13 Jan 2015 18:55

^^^ Majority of the non Muslim world is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome when the aggressors are Islamic terrorists.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 13 Jan 2015 19:09

Non-muslims suffering from Stockholm Syndrome is the correct diagnose., similary the non-muslims who are not suffering from Stockholm Syndrome must be instrument in showing the cognitive dissonance to the "Moderate" Muslims.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 13 Jan 2015 19:26

In a way what's happening in Europe is what Europeans themselves did to natives in Americas & Australia. Killed off the natives or brought them to extinction after being sheltered by the same people & welcomed in good faith. Muslims are doing the same to Europeans in their own native land. Like native Americans & native Australians, native Europeans are poised to lose their land to outsiders, this time Mohammedans. Karma pays back.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 13 Jan 2015 19:29

Chandargupta Sir!!

Read the history from the origin of the mankind.

Arabians did that to Persians, Turks and Hindus! Persians did it to Macedonians and Greeks, Turks did it all around them!

Only Hindus have not done anything to anybody and are always defensive! It is time for us to get up and do something!!

It is a law by nature that a strong person will always take over the stuff from the weak person and move on!!

What emigrated Germans, Irish, Italians, Brits did to the natives in Americas was the same that Brits did to us in India!

Only Canada was part of king while USA was free and it decided to become democracy by holding elections and eventually realizing and recognizing the mistakes!! British only realized their mistakes in 1947 and thus only freed Canada in 1980. You cannot compare the colonizing of America with colonizing of India. USA was colonized by the people exiled by the monarchies in Europe! while India was colonized by the monarchies!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Jan 2015 20:52

Chandragupta wrote:In a way what's happening in Europe is what Europeans themselves did to natives in Americas & Australia. Killed off the natives or brought them to extinction after being sheltered by the same people & welcomed in good faith. Muslims are doing the same to Europeans in their own native land. Like native Americans & native Australians, native Europeans are poised to lose their land to outsiders, this time Mohammedans. Karma pays back.

Once again, quoting from Edward Said. European scholarship has a long history of utter contempt for Islam and Mohammad. Mohammad was called a false prophet and a copycat of Christianity. He occurs in various plays including Dante's "Inferno" in which Mohammad can be found in the eighth of nine circles of hell.

But the Islamics who killed the Hebdo cartoonists really are stupid because Hebdo were as contemptuous of Christians too. But then again we all know how the religion of peace works - by killing and intimidation.

The only answer is to kill back with utter ruthlessness. Peace is not an answer.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 13 Jan 2015 23:13

I was just wondering, will there ever be a time when Muslims will finally realise that Islam is nothing more than a violent cult around a book that makes no sense whatsoever, most of it is copied from the bible, whatever is not is either delusional utterings or rules on war, conquest, subjugation & rape. Will Muslims ever realise that Islam itself is their true enemy, that they have been fooled by the Araps into aping their desert cult & subjugating them? And perhaps then they will pull down the mosques, burn the holy pook and go back to their ancestral religions?

I know you want to say 'when pigs will fly'. But there is a hope, atleast I see a flicker. But it needs even more violence, even more blood & even more turmoil in the green vs green world. There has to be a breaking point after which even retarded people (which is common amongst inbred people) will give up & see Islam for what it truly is.

I see Pakistan or parts of Pakistan as good candidates for this. A free Balochistan, for example, going back to Hinduism & Buddhism and blaming Islam for all its ills will break the back of Islam in South Asia. Perhaps, Modi & Doval should work towards such an end?

akashganga · Post by **akashganga** » 13 Jan 2015 23:28

Chandragupta wrote:I was just wondering, will there ever be a time when Muslims will finally realise that Islam is nothing more than a violent cult around a book that makes no sense whatsoever, most of it is copied from the bible, whatever is not is either delusional utterings or rules on war, conquest, subjugation & rape. Will Muslims ever realise that Islam itself is their true enemy, that they have been fooled by the Araps into aping their desert cult & subjugating them? And perhaps then they will pull down the mosques, burn the holy pook and go back to their ancestral religions?

I know you want to say 'when pigs will fly'. But there is a hope, atleast I see a flicker. But it needs even more violence, even more blood & even more turmoil in the green vs green world. There has to be a breaking point after which even retarded people (which is common amongst inbred people) will give up & see Islam for what it truly is.

I see Pakistan or parts of Pakistan as good candidates for this. A free Balochistan, for example, going back to Hinduism & Buddhism and blaming Islam for all its ills will break the back of Islam in South Asia. Perhaps, Modi & Doval should work towards such an end?

Islam will not go away easily as it has taken 1000 plus years to take roots in indian subcontinent. Islam is by the arabs and for arabs. For all non-arabs it has been tragic. We should focus on arab islam and show its brutal ways such as ISIS, brutal regime, etc to indian muslims. To the muslims of the subcontinent arabs are chosen people and are special. Any religion founded by a single individual and following a single book is tragic and leads to large scale massacres and wiping out of civilizations. The one exception is Buddhism because Buddha never talked about abrahamatic type god and was down to earth and never said his is the only way.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 14 Jan 2015 00:05

Chandragupta wrote:I was just wondering, will there ever be a time when Muslims will finally realise that Islam is nothing more than a violent cult around a book that makes no sense whatsoever, most of it is copied from the bible, whatever is not is either delusional utterings or rules on war, conquest, subjugation & rape. Will Muslims ever realise that Islam itself is their true enemy, that they have been fooled by the Araps into aping their desert cult & subjugating them? And perhaps then they will pull down the mosques, burn the holy pook and go back to their ancestral religions?

I know you want to say 'when pigs will fly'. But there is a hope, atleast I see a flicker. But it needs even more violence, even more blood & even more turmoil in the green vs green world. There has to be a breaking point after which even retarded people (which is common amongst inbred people) will give up & see Islam for what it truly is.

I see Pakistan or parts of Pakistan as good candidates for this. A free Balochistan, for example, going back to Hinduism & Buddhism and blaming Islam for all its ills will break the back of Islam in South Asia. Perhaps, Modi & Doval should work towards such an end?

Do you perhaps imagine that Muslims will suddenly have a tube light moment and realize that Islam is a violent cult of domination? They already know that, how can they not? It is not really a secret. "Violent cult of domination" is the whole point.

A better question would be, "will non- muslims ever acknowledge this fact?" A follow-up question would be, "what will they do about it?"

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 14 Jan 2015 00:10

Is that Hayat Boumeddiene crossing into Syria?

anybody has a face recognition software?

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 14 Jan 2015 02:29

shiv wrote: The only answer is to kill back with utter ruthlessness. Peace is not an answer.

Consistent, ruthless, extremely violent mayhem causing strikes against Islamism is the only possible way forward. Commie infestation removal from a large part of South America was done exactly the same way: it did succeed to a large extent. It was known as operation Condor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor . Basically they propped up another militia that was more ruthless than the commies and they targeted the "soft commies" (equivalent of Sufis). Everytime there was a commie attack, some family member of a commie leader will meet with a violent end, usually in a massive bomb blast. This is a war of attrition and can only be won by consistent decimation of the enemies will power and physical capability.

The message should be: "If you conduct a terror attack or support it in any remote way possible, your family may become fair game to some of our anti-Islamic terrorists. unfortunately our anti-Islamic terrorists are non-state actors and we have no "control" over them. As you know they can be very brutal and violent on your family members. Good luck and stay safe. We all like peace."

This has to be followed up with proper messaging in the host countries to make sure the larger populace actually supports the non-state anti-Islamists and their activities. More like, we wish these violent people went away, but what to do onleee, they hate Islamists. In no way do these violent-Anti-Islamists represent democracy or represent the state. Infact we are trying to control them.... to our best possible capability.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 14 Jan 2015 03:21

Go though the comments sections, British whites are furious that their news papers have chickened out and not ready to publish any cartoon French or German have gone all out for

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l#comments

Never thought I would see the day when the French are heroes and the BBC and Daily Mail are trembling like little girls.

You've published the article without the picture that the article is about. Not very Je Suis Charlie. Shame on you.

Are we not carrying the image then Daily Mail?? So much for solidarity.

bottom line-Brits have given up

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 14 Jan 2015 03:53

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ve-TV.html

If the so-called "moderate muslims" gave a message similar to Mayor of Rotterdam to their co-religionists, it would actually make a difference. of course, this does not work in India where there are a lot of natives who have no where to go, unlike immigrants...but I am just saying in terms of the concepts of "just suck it up and STFU if you are offended" is a good message...but islamists know that the right back pressure for this is to commit a few egregious acts of terror to say "we won't STFU, and now the ball is in your court, you islamophobe".

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 14 Jan 2015 04:12

Rotterdam is a nice city though a little unexciting and drab compared to Amsterdam. Lots of people of Indian extraction who were transported to Suriname (dutch guyana) as indentured labor during dutch colonization of parts of India. They have become residents, and most are hindus. Dutch also had Indonesia as a colony (their biggest, IIRC). I found most expat Indonesians of any religion in both The Netherlands and the US to be rather pleasant and easy going.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 14 Jan 2015 04:15

KLNMurthy wrote:
Chandragupta wrote:I was just wondering, will there ever be a time when Muslims will finally realise that Islam is nothing more than a violent cult around a book that makes no sense whatsoever, most of it is copied from the bible, whatever is not is either delusional utterings or rules on war, conquest, subjugation & rape. Will Muslims ever realise that Islam itself is their true enemy, that they have been fooled by the Araps into aping their desert cult & subjugating them? And perhaps then they will pull down the mosques, burn the holy pook and go back to their ancestral religions?

I know you want to say 'when pigs will fly'. But there is a hope, atleast I see a flicker. But it needs even more violence, even more blood & even more turmoil in the green vs green world. There has to be a breaking point after which even retarded people (which is common amongst inbred people) will give up & see Islam for what it truly is.

I see Pakistan or parts of Pakistan as good candidates for this. A free Balochistan, for example, going back to Hinduism & Buddhism and blaming Islam for all its ills will break the back of Islam in South Asia. Perhaps, Modi & Doval should work towards such an end?
Do you perhaps imagine that Muslims will suddenly have a tube light moment and realize that Islam is a violent cult of domination? They already know that, how can they not? It is not really a secret. "Violent cult of domination" is the whole point.

A better question would be, "will non- muslims ever acknowledge this fact?" A follow-up question would be, "what will they do about it?"

Everyone want wants to be on the winning team. No one wants to be with the losers. As of today, Muslims see themselves as winners, as conquerors. Yes, by violence, and even though their ancestors GUBO'ed to the invader, they have been brainwashed that their ancestors came from Arabia. Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Jan 2015 05:52

KJo wrote:Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.

Wealth alone will do nothing because those Muslim hordes became wealthy by looting - this is well documented even in Islamic literature. Getting wealthy is not enough. Wealth needs to be combined with military power to protect that wealth. Even if that wealth is in terms of "knowledge" the hardware and humans to protect that are essential. This is the real lessons for Hindus.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 14 Jan 2015 05:56

KJo wrote: ...
Everyone want wants to be on the winning team. No one wants to be with the losers. As of today, Muslims see themselves as winners, as conquerors. Yes, by violence, and even though their ancestors GUBO'ed to the invader, they have been brainwashed that their ancestors came from Arabia. Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.

When Mohd bin qasim jnvaded India, Arabs were poor and Hindus were rich IIRC.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 14 Jan 2015 06:17

Our tragedy is that by the time we as a people understood religion based conquest and occupation and were on the verge of reversing it, the europeans developed mercantilism and colonialism and we went under that for another coupla centuries. And now we stuck in a tunnel vision / single track thinking that "ok we have a nation now, please leave us alone, let me bury my head in sand and everything will be fine" without realising that religion and mercantile wars are still going on against us.

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Jan 2015 07:00

X Posted from the "Secularism in India - Boon or Bane" thread.

Where Are India’s 2011 Census Figures on Religion?

Where indeed are they?

Where Are India’s 2011 Census Figures on Religion?

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 14 Jan 2015 07:26

KLNMurthy wrote:
KJo wrote: ...
Everyone want wants to be on the winning team. No one wants to be with the losers. As of today, Muslims see themselves as winners, as conquerors. Yes, by violence, and even though their ancestors GUBO'ed to the invader, they have been brainwashed that their ancestors came from Arabia. Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.
When Mohd bin qasim jnvaded India, Arabs were poor and Hindus were rich IIRC.

Who knew that in 711AD? Did anyone have the internet saar?
In those days whoever made scary faces, shouted loudly and was more bloodthirsty was a winner. We were rich but not smart enough to stay united and invent machinery to keep these thugs away.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 14 Jan 2015 07:32

shiv wrote:
KJo wrote:Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.
Wealth alone will do nothing because those Muslim hordes became wealthy by looting - this is well documented even in Islamic literature. Getting wealthy is not enough. Wealth needs to be combined with military power to protect that wealth. Even if that wealth is in terms of "knowledge" the hardware and humans to protect that are essential. This is the real lessons for Hindus.

Exactly, Shiv. We may have been rich, but we did not stay together and we did not realize the need for security. Instead of writing poetry, we should have been inventing rockets and bombs. In today's world, it is about wealth since most countries have similar weapons and countries rarely invade. I don't think any country will do a conventional invasion on India anymore. But we are seen over the world as poor and dirty, living in slums. You know this is what people think when you see movies of India, its always about something like this. Overall, Hindus are not seen as winners, they are seen as pushovers with no H&D. Even goras visiting India are treated better than other fellow desis who may be richer. Muslims all over the world GUBO to the Arab.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 14 Jan 2015 07:35

Christine fair who pretends to be an atheist thinks this article is where it is at, proving that she has the analytical skills of a pickled egg -- truly a sanctimonious little sh1t this Christine fair. This Mehdi Hasan is a islamist through and through, and the article draws attention to Merkel and Netanyahu in the march and fails to draw attention to Saudi King Abdullah and the Turkish PM, who are both islamist mofos, which is a very big clue.

http://www.newstatesman.com/mehdi-hasan ... mentalists

Weren’t you sickened to see Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of a country that was responsible for the killing of seven journalists in Gaza in 2014, attend the “unity rally” in Paris? Bibi was joined by Angela Merkel, chancellor of a country where Holocaust denial is punishable by up to five years in prison, and David Cameron, who wants to ban non-violent “extremists” committed to the “overthrow of democracy” from appearing on television.

Not a word about Saudi Arabia and Turkey being part of that same march...that too when these regimes have a hand in funding and motivating violent jihadis groups all over the world.

The "moderate muslim" mofos of Mehdi Hasan's ilk are basically making the same point the terrorists did, by tacitly endorsing the violence by saying things like

You ask us to laugh at a cartoon of the Prophet while ignoring the vilification of Islam across the continent (have you visited Germany lately?) and the widespread discrimination against Muslims in education, employment and public life – especially in France.

No one is asking the "moderate muslim" Mehdi Hasan to laugh at Charlie Hebdo cartoons -- he and his ilk are asked to go look at some other cartoon and ignore any cartoons depicting mohammed.

All these religious fundamentalist tools like this Mehdi Hasan and Reza Aslan and their ilk are coming up with terms like "new atheist" -- as if atheism has flavors like religion, but when you are a dissembling liar like Reza Aslan, terms like "new atheist" sound all cool. Atheists are just getting more aggressive about delusional religious mofos denying the right of people to believe in nothing by calling them evil and worthy of extermination...the only thing "new" is the attitude.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Jan 2015 08:58

I guess lights just went on in western capitals that
Islamic grps are now armed trained and equipped fr major
Mumbai style attacks on western capitals...

Huge play on cnn and bcc. Head of mi5 has warned attacks are inevitable.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Jan 2015 10:01

shiv wrote:
KJo wrote:Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.
Wealth alone will do nothing because those Muslim hordes became wealthy by looting - this is well documented even in Islamic literature. Getting wealthy is not enough. Wealth needs to be combined with military power to protect that wealth. Even if that wealth is in terms of "knowledge" the hardware and humans to protect that are essential. This is the real lessons for Hindus.

Satyavachan. It wont behoove Indics to claim Aryavarna till they have done Shalan of malech stain on their Soil and Sanskriti . Zindus must become Slakatak of snakes and scorpions sneaked in for stealing souls and Smridhi. Rakat Mahasnan Is due after millennia of Paap Santap.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 14 Jan 2015 10:12

IndraD wrote:
bottom line-Brits have given up

They deserve what is coming and may they get the full karmic justice of their actions in this yug. I actively argue for the beacefools and against the EDL in other forums and comment section for the same reason. I encourage othet brfites to fo the same.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 14 Jan 2015 10:34

http://www.outlookindia.com/news/articl ... -SC/877158

Witness the Indian State in its full glory pulling its pants down and bending over to religious fundamentalists and religious bigots. So instead of spending its resources on actual crime, it will spend a lot of resources on people who cause offense to religious tools with a thin skin.

"The extreme political views or contrary views and decent humour cannot be prohibited," Additional Solicitor General (ASG) Tushar Mehta submitted before a bench comprising Justices J Chelameswar and R F Nariman.

The ASG, however, placed documents indicating that those posts which had the potential of "outrageously and directly offending" religious sentiments needed to be prohibited in the cyber world.

Maybe the ASG can sit down and define "decent humour" while he is at it. sheesh.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 14 Jan 2015 10:51

Chandragupta wrote:I see Pakistan or parts of Pakistan as good candidates for this. A free Balochistan, for example, going back to Hinduism & Buddhism and blaming Islam for all its ills will break the back of Islam in South Asia. Perhaps, Modi & Doval should work towards such an end?

The approach needs to be two-fold. Parts of Pakistan will be open to Hindu / Buddhist ghar-wapsi over a period of time. Simultaneously - Iran (including Persians and Kurds) need to be worked on for ghar wapsi to Zaroastrianism & Buddhism.When the Persians start returning to Ahura Mazda - the Muslim Punjabi and Sindhi ghar-wapsi to Indic religions will accelerate. But all this is a few decades away.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 14 Jan 2015 12:34

Interesting view by the mayor of Rotterdam
Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam tells fellow Muslims who do not appreciate the 'freedoms' of living in the West to 'pack your bags and f*** off' on live TV

* Ahmed Aboutaleb, a Moroccan-born Muslim, spoke after Paris attack
* The mayor said Dutch Muslims who 'don't like freedom' can f*** off
* He added: 'Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here'
* Aboutaleb became the first immigrant mayor in the Netherlands in 2008
...
...
Mayor Aboutaleb, who represents the Dutch Labour Party, de Partij van de Arbeid, has long had a no-nonsense approach to immigration and integration.
Speaking to the Observer shortly after his appointment he said his message to immigrants is 'stop seeing yourself as victims, and if you don't want to integrate, leave'.

Now this is how integration is supposed to work folks. The man has some serious balls and deserves applause.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 14 Jan 2015 13:14

ArmenT wrote:Interesting view by the mayor of Rotterdam
Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam tells fellow Muslims who do not appreciate the 'freedoms' of living in the West to 'pack your bags and f*** off' on live TV
* Ahmed Aboutaleb, a Moroccan-born Muslim, spoke after Paris attack
* The mayor said Dutch Muslims who 'don't like freedom' can f*** off
* He added: 'Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here'
* Aboutaleb became the first immigrant mayor in the Netherlands in 2008
...
...
Mayor Aboutaleb, who represents the Dutch Labour Party, de Partij van de Arbeid, has long had a no-nonsense approach to immigration and integration.
Speaking to the Observer shortly after his appointment he said his message to immigrants is 'stop seeing yourself as victims, and if you don't want to integrate, leave'.
Now this is how integration is supposed to work folks. The man has some serious balls and deserves applause.

Well said Ahmed Aboutaleb. The task of integration with the resident community lies with the immigrant. Immigrants wanting change to reflect their way of life back home should go back where such facilities already exist.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 14 Jan 2015 13:21

Ahmed Aboutaleb- I am giving this guy 3 years to live.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 14 Jan 2015 13:51

arun wrote:X Posted from the "Secularism in India - Boon or Bane" thread.

Where Are India’s 2011 Census Figures on Religion?

Where indeed are they?

Where Are India’s 2011 Census Figures on Religion?

Apparently, there is some district level data available on which several people have done analysis and come to the figure of 14.xx% as Muslim Population in 2011.

But that figure looks bullshit to me. Muslims are not below 20% of the Indian population & Hindu population has definitely gone below 70%, which is why the UPA did not release the numbers. I don't for the love of god understand why Modi government has still not released the data, probably because the UPA fudged it up & they are now busy cleaning it?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 14 Jan 2015 14:07

shiv wrote:<SNIP> Islam has declared war against all three states without any of those states actively interfering with the ummah - and in fact with all 3 mostly being on the side of Islamic nations <SNIP>

Shiv - while the erstwhile Central Asian components of USSR had dominant Muslim population and that went away with USSR, Russia still has Muslim population in the Caucasus region. This entire region was won through sword and has a very bloody history. Chechnya is one such example. So, there is a attraction point for Jehadis when it comes to Russia...like Xinjiang in China.